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everyone welcome to another episode of SG n we're shooting three this week technically two of them are for public release and then one of them is for patreon release as always leave your questions in the comment section below for the next episode or episodes what we're doing right now is we're gonna do a trial here we're doing a pilot the plan is to air to ask you answered this week maybe next and they're gonna be about 12 hours apart so we're not removing a video slot from the production cycle we're adding one so we'll be trying eight videos per week if it performs well if people like it we'll keep doing that if not then we'll go back to one sgn per week max and then the patreon bonus version if you go to patreon.com/scishow tiers get the behind-the-scenes stuff we just shot a behind the scenes video of our fantastic setup for example and today we'll be shooting one of our power supply testing so before that this video is brought to you by EVGA and the X 299 dark motherboard for the Intel high-end desktop CPUs the X 299 dark is one of the only motherboards on the market with proper vrm cooling we've tested this and found significant performance increase over those without active cooling on the BRMS this board was used in our recent attempts to set a top-10 record in fire strike and you can learn more about the X tonight on dark at the link in the description below first question for this week is kind of a tricky one or actually the first two questions are kind of tricky it's from RB who says with the GBP gone now do you think am the or do you think board partners excuse me it like Asus will revert back to their original branding like ROG Strix for AMD cards or do you think the damage is done and NVIDIA has still won the first ever to say does only keep it real here and and say from a consumer perspective I think like most slights against anybody in this industry anyway I think that the whole GPP thing will be forgotten for better for worse pretty quickly I mean look at look at what happened Kyle from hardo CPU not bit wit broke the story and then we covered it quite a few times but mostly to the effect of we're looking into it before I finally released recently the thing that talked about what we found a couple other people covered it but eventually as Kyle's leads went silent and everyone else's went silent you didn't hear about gvv anymore so it was still there in the back of the minds of everybody we were still talking to be people we obviously released that video talking about what we found the point is though that was when GPP was still a thing and when there were still some bits of information that people could release now that it's basically at least claimed to be dead by an videos blog post I honestly think that this is going to be something that is just forgotten by consumers the gtx970 for example is probably the the most tangible instance where n vide has done something that they've been slapped on the wrist for publicly and it was a settlement I suppose I don't think they ever admitted wrongdoing I think it was a they just settled for a class action and that's pretty much forgotten at this point as well and to some extent that's okay I think if the companies have righted the wrongs or in this case paid out a settlement and they don't do it again I think it's okay to to forgive and forget or at least forget but also at the same time consumers as a an amorphous mass of people do have a really short memory and attention span part of that I think is outrage culture where everyone wants to find something to be outraged at every single week or day even whether it's actually worthy of outrage or not and some of it is just because there's so much going on and that people have lives and it's unreasonable to expect anyone look at like outside the image look at Volkswagen they're doing just fine and and they had a pretty serious scandal with the whole emissions thing so I think in general consumers and and the culture we live in does lend itself to forgetting about things like GPP and the Volkswagen thing as the example outside the industry is a bit more serious than GPP in terms of like actual world impact so I do think that people will forget about it now as for your question forgetting it's not really the question the question is do you think it will have impact so do I think I think I would I mean obviously if it's not clear I don't actually know an answer to this because it's kind of impossible for anyone to know an answer to this but I can give you the best kind of guesses educated guesses to my knowledge based on talking with the partners at manufacturers so the first part of the question do you think companies like Asus will revert back to original branding from what I understand the ROG branding I don't think was ever going to be an nvidia brand I think it was going to be the sub brands of our G like Strix like you pointed out that we're going to be caught at by Nvidia away from AMD I don't know I have not spoken with Asus about this there are I'm not spoken with any of the companies specifically well I don't have answers I can share because a lot of them won't share with me what's happening next but we'll be at Computex soon and I suspect they'll get more information there people tend to be more willing to talk in person if you are in the industry hello and you're one of those people who's willing to talk to me about what's going to happen next off-the-record pull me aside at Computex and tell me what you want to tell me and then if I can publish it as an anonymous source and I would love to do that but consider this a a petition for information when I meet with you at Computex but otherwise I I do think that this was killed pretty early GPP and I know that it's been a discussion for a while some of the products that people talked about not having gaming brands attached to them as a result of GPP like that gigabyte box or some that MSI's cards that were discussed some of that stuff's been in flight for a while now like a year so the question is well has GV been something behind the scenes for a year that we've never known about and those companies have been working to remove their gaming brands from those aim of the products for a year or have they act did they actually just genuinely decide not to brand them as the gaming brands a year ago and then GP came out and it looks like a coincidence I don't know I don't think what I'm most curious about is what's going to happen to the new AMD brands that emerged after TVP where Andy was like you know there's this whole that Nvidia gtp thing and we're gonna make our own brands for AMD cards I don't know what'll happen to there is I think I think that comes away the most questionable because it's like AMD announces they're gonna have special brands for the cards then anybody was like their ride we're walking away from it so I don't know what's gonna happen there I kind of feel like nothing's really gonna change to be honest with you I I'm I'm genuinely not sure but my suspicion presently is that unless Nvidia is still pulling some strings behind the scenes that we don't know about I honestly believe that if GBP is dead and there's not something silent we don't know about that's replacing it that that brands like ROG Strix will remain attachable to AMD cards that's kind of what I think right now but I don't know and I hope to talk to some people at Computex and find out and I'm sorry I don't have a really good answer for you but hopefully that's given you some of my questions for you to think about and then what I would ask of you all is if you hear more about GBP and what's going on or if you this is kind of like either be careful here because I want to say if you see something say on the next cards launch from AMD or whatever if you see there's no strict branding there's no ARS branding stuff like that please let me know but also please be careful of jumping to conclusions just let me know in a neutral fashion Twitter and comments are great especially as GM comments because I read more of those than any other video and then we will do our best to look into it at that time but at this time it's really hard for me to say what's going to happen however I primarily picked this question to include two one give you some insight as the stuff I did know like the timelines for everything in it and some thoughts on how consumers forget everything instantly and that okay sometimes they're not always and then a B P is another great example of a company that probably shouldn't have been forgiven but and then a third point here is to just put out a public note that if you're in the industry get in touch with me my email is on the website under the contact page get in touch with me let's talk or meet at Computex whatever and if you have stuff you can share off record that we can publish that'd be fantastic and that's really the main reason for including this next one talus right house recreational news says Steve Kyle from heart osep said that his website is basically done and over thanks to his journalism on GPP by running stories I put on video in harmony light do you think the impact on G n will be as severe or will GN fare better because yen didn't break the story I am not worried at all I don't know what Kyle situation is I don't know I don't really know him I don't know if we've even met it or if we did it was a long time ago I don't know much about hard osep for the GM side of this I'm not worried like we this is kind of what we do is is beat companies up over things and I didn't break the GBP story so certainly that does have a relationship like there's there's a difference in how much your relationship with the company is affected by breaking a story versus by following up with a story when everyone else does and also we didn't have any information at all on the GPB thing so I I think well Kyle openly said that and the float of the story to him and they never talked to us about it because I think they were still pissed at us for what we said about them with the threader for stuff regarding embargoes so we never even heard about the thing until Kyle published it when all of you heard about it so that certainly has an impact but also I guess that the only reason I bring this one up is because I'd like to say with any company that this is not an Nvidia specific thing with any company I'm not really too worried about pissing them off because we've got a couple things so kind of public disclosure of some of our strategy if you haven't figured it out we're pushing patreon we're pushing product sales like the GN mod mats which I'll plug right now it's on the table these 3d teardown crystal things are pretty cool the merch store has them it's a big glass object with a laser engraved logo in it we're making more products to the point is by by splitting ourselves to do some product manufacturing patreon direct support we're working with a lot of companies in the industry in terms of like I mean I work with case makers power supply makers now with our new test setup fan makers now motherboard vendors video card vendors all this stuff so even if we piss off all the video card makers we'll be okay because we have enough support from the community through merch sales through patreon through other avenues like just straight Adsense on YouTube even is okay these days we have enough support and I've I've specifically diversified our revenue streams heavily enough that if we piss companies off it's fine we don't need their direct product sampling if it means that I have to kiss their ass I'd rather buy it myself and so I've established ourselves in a position where we can do that now and you know if they make a good product great I'm happy to review it positively if they make a bad one that's fine too I'm not really afraid to review things negatively that said obviously there's always a relationship juggle where you kind of have a certain amount of social capital you can burn with these companies where you kind of make a decision like this products absolute garbage this thing they're doing is bad do I want to burn both these things at once or do I want to space them out a bit to give some time to heal because if you do too much at once yeah you definitely incinerate that bridge instantly with the wrong type of headquarters in charge a lot of the PR people in tech marketing people do end up on our side of things and they'll advocate for us internally because a lot of time I find that they they understand things pretty well they're very level-headed PR and tech marketing especially are the closest to enthusiast users that you'll get with a lot of these companies and they tend to advocate for us so that's great but headquarters can put their foot down and say stop sampling them they just burned us twice back-to-back we need to stop this and that's fine we're not entitled to product I'll buy it but but the point is I can buy it now because we have all the support from you all which is really important because if the only audience I have to please is the viewers then we're in good shape because that's what I'm not here to like I would rather be an attachment of the audience of the consumers in terms of like being an arm attached to consumers that you can use to hit things way as opposed to being attached to the company's off over here where we just market stuff so if all I have to do is focus on what you all want that's where I want to be and and if we have your support and we're selling things like products real products and merchandise and whatever and we have other avenues other streams of revenue Adsense just straight Adsense stuff like that we'll be ok obviously advertising money making makes things complicated but the whole point of what we're doing the reason you see me pushing this mod map so much and I'm sure it's kind of annoying sometimes but I'm sorry the reason I do it is because this stuff allows us to distance ourselves from manufacturers as advertisers as sources of revenue which means that I don't even have to worry if I piss them off so yeah I mean it's it's a strategy to do what we're doing and it's working pretty well so don't worry about me don't worry about GN we're not going anywhere we're in a good position right now and I think it allows us to kind of do whatever we want to do so we're in good shape next question buff Mick Oh actually I should mention one more thing the last thing I wanna mention is I made fun of that vacuum thing a while ago right and even though I made fun of it and it was stupid for a lot of a lot of reasons there's one thing I want to mention which is non manufacturer sponsors we ran ads for a couple of them recently people who don't make computer components that our sponsors are the best advertisers you really could ask for as viewers because even okay the vacuum thing notwithstanding because everyone released a video same day it was like the stupidest most see-through thing you could do as a marketing company but let's just say one youtuber put out a vacuum video or put out I kind of hate sponsored content so let's say an ad within a video for a vacuum that's okay with me sponsored content I hate but the point I'm getting at is if you run ads for Dyson if we sold an ad to I don't know let's say like Dollar Shave Club we've sold ads to them running an ad in in our ad spot for Dollar Shave Club or for the GM store even is the kind of ideal place you want to be because the more non manufacturer ad partners you can establish like Linus has done for example as an extreme example the more distant you are from any concern of bias or anything like that whether it's it's sort of subconscious bias or whether it's viewer perceived bias you're farther away from it by working with non manufacturer advertisers so that that's also something you want to keep an eye out for in terms of our future is how to and that's that's how we're showing ourselves up so we can continue doing whatever the hell I want and saying whatever I want about products because I like saying when a product is not deserving of praise and I'm going to keep it that way otherwise I wouldn't be doing this job next question buff make large huge second attempt hey Steve if one were to build a streaming PC capable of outputting to 1080p 60 streams with reasonable bitrate settings at the same time how many cores would be necessary great question I was planning on using threader for nineteen fifty X I'm not sure if that's enough course or it's definitely enough cores your question of if it's overkill is kind of a different one but first example we did dual streaming test with the seventy nine hundred X and later with thread rep right I'm yeah we did it with thread referred and so if you look up our thread or review we should have a streaming benchmarks page that I think we did a dual stream where we output to both twitch and YouTube simultaneously I think at 1080p 60 actually I think twitch was 6 megabits per second I think YouTube might have been 10 and thread Ripper to the best of my memory does perfectly fine in those scenarios so definitely it's enough to sustain you is it overkill it depends on your streaming settings I I pipe if I wanted to do a dual stream and not use restream or something like that just a raw dual stream out of my system I probably would want thread Ripper or an h EDT Intel CPU either one by which I mean like 12/14 core area it may be 10 core but 12 or 14 kind of makes me most comfortable I think with either of those setups I know with with thread Ripper right I am positive that you can do dual stream I can't remember what speed settings we used for h.264 encoding check the review for the 1950 extra here for that I want to say it was probably faster though and faster puts out pretty good quality so h.264 softer encoding at faster with effectively 60 megabits per second if your internet cannot sustain at that point it's pretty good and you can always drop it down to fastest or something getting below that you do lose some quality getting above it you can enter placebo territory so yeah I'd be perfectly happy to recommend a 1950 X or like what is the Saudi 940 or one of those CPUs would be good for that task ID that'll be fine recommending either of those from Intel or AMD and you should be pretty happy with it just um watch out for your internet for your upload speed that's probably biggest potential bottleneck next question and Mike Ludwig says how do you feel about Google's new sponsor button it's now in beta for non gaming channels it seems to be similar to twitch for $5 a month you support your favorite channel and in return you get perks like exclusive badges emojis for live streams access the sponsor only posts on a community tab do you think it's possible solution for channels that are being demonetized is this something you would consider doing I I do not if if I were concerned about YouTube d monetizing me I would not then put my faith in the sponsor button owned by YouTube we start there I presently have no plans to start using the sponsor button on YouTube I actually I feel like YouTube got on the boat a bit late here I think I think they killed the channel thing that Kyle was doing bit with Kyle this time when he's bit with Ultra on YouTube they killed that stuff and then they saw how much money was going to patreon and I think YouTube was like wait a minute that should be our money so I think they got on the boat a bit late and the problem I have with the sponsor button right now with patreon we can take I don't know I don't remember what the minimum is but I know our lowest here is $2 so with patreon we can take $2 we can take $100 and even though $2 the average is less than 5 I'm pretty sure our average is I don't know it's like it's between like three and four dollars or something average is less than five so yeah it's lower on average than the sponsor button however with patreon we take like ninety five percent of the money with a sponsor out and we would take seventy thirty percent of your money's going to youtube with patreon I can allow people who don't have five dollars a month to support us and get access to things like our primarily our discord where you can basically talk with our team or with our members in the community so my view of it really right now is I would rather be more inclusive and have a if patreon allowed it I'd have a floor of a penny but I don't I think they're minimums like a dollar these days it might be too but I think it's a dollar so I'd rather have a floor of one or two dollars and allow people who can't afford five to join like if you're in a country with a weaker currency than US currency and you maybe just don't have a lot of money but you can afford two bucks I'd rather allow that then create a wall like to me it's your wall should basically be do you pay or not not how much do you pay and obviously there's some things for which you do require more money by which I mean I require more money like if I'm sending you a shirt of course I'm gonna require like 20 bucks at which point internationally might even lose that's fine because idea is its patreon and maybe you'll continue giving two dollars the months after that and it'll make up for it but if it's just like digital access to discord I'm fine with the $2 donation and I'd rather be inclusive of our community there has to be some kind of wall there I just spent a few minutes talking about how patreon supports us so obviously I have to have like if I'm gonna be on discord talking to people it can't be to 10,000 people it's got to be to the people who support on patreon so there does have to be some kind of wall I just I think fives too high and I also think that it YouTube should it's also too low at the same time like someone wants to give me 20 bucks and make up for all the people giving me too then I'd obviously like to support that as well I'd love to send them a shirt or whatever and patreon makes that a bit easier for us so patreon does absolutely have problems and I do have problems with it but I think it's a better solution than a sponsor button presently and I like its flexibility in that you can kind of set rates let people hear what they want for the most part I like that a lot about it and they also let us keep more of the money super chat takes like I think 30% also it's a lot so does YouTube for the sponsor button and it's one thing if Adsense takes 45% it's another thing if people giving you money takes 30% like that's kind of that's kind of heavy-handed I think the service isn't as big a provision as ads not like for Adsense YouTube is allowing us to use their platform for which I am tremendously grateful and they are allowing us to upload tons of data to their servers a lot of people who get like 5 views on their videos they take in a huge amount of data on so I completely agree with the cut they take for Adsense I don't know that I agree with the cut they take for donations that seems a bit extreme but no I don't really plan on using right now that could change if there's if a lot of you really want it let me know I guess but if you do if we let me know as well so that I can I can keep doing what we're doing next once your Axl says I've been told that one laughing a CPU do it oh yeah on a horizontal glass service ie glass coffee tables this would be more smooth in addition to smoother than the ordinary bench top or CGI first thing first of all the mod mat is a hard surface I saw people who liked that thing that will give way under the sanding no Iran you don't have one you're talking about it's pretty hard service secondly I have a we put pressure contact paper on the IHS and it's pretty much smooth so all the comments that were like you should have done it on a glass table I'm sorry the contact paper suggests otherwise the the surface is basically perfectly flat and we can take a shot of it a photo or something to include it but the bigger point I also want to make is people seems to not pick up or maybe got edited out in editing I don't know I think it was in there though I said how the corners were getting sanded at a different rate than the center that's because the corner is on an AMD IHS are a different height than the rest of the AMD IHS that's why it's not because I was applying different pressure it's because and I probably was but also the contact paper at the end of it after we did polishing and everything else off camera because it's super boring contact paper suggested it was perfectly flat flatter than the original so either way it was better than the original could I have done it better yeah sure I could have sanded it a bit better we could have put it on a flatter surface although this is pretty flat and it could have been improved sure I'm not saying that there's no truth to that but the pressure paper suggests that it was basically flat and absolutely better than the original that's really the only thing I need to know was it better than the original the answer is yes so I'm sorry laughing just doesn't have a big impact on something of that kind of TDP maybe something a higher wattage wouldn't matter more but you know I'm but the thing again that AMD IHS is not perfectly level so that seemed to be something that was missed IHS is can be concave or convex depending on which year they were made what what manufacturer they are and then they can also have the edges at a different height than the rest of it as in the case of AMD CPUs and I'll grab that contact paper and we can take a photo of it ever included in here hopefully so hey editors representing this throw that in next one scooby-dooby what's your opinion on how certain consumers anthropomorphize national corporate multinational corporations like Intel AMD Nvidia eg using terms like good and evil personally boggles my mind yes so mmm-hmm I think it's kind of crazy that anyone would attribute human characteristics to these huge corporations for the most part because like the thing is if you if you look at AMD Intel or Nvidia and you say they're a good company or they make good things I would disagree in all three of those instances the way I look at it is I try to look at this stuff at a product level so is the product good and if so then that's all that I need to know if the if they may if I don't know even if you have a company that it's made a strain of really bad products I still wouldn't say they make bad things I'd probably just try to say this chain of products is horrible don't buy it because it's always possible that company can make something good or something bad and these doing pretty well arising right now it's still possible they put out a bad cpu intel same thing Nvidia same thing so if they're doing well with their products right now it doesn't mean they are a good company they make good things it means that product is a good thing so I I think it's very dangerous to attribute a sweeping characteristic to a company like they are good or their products are good when they can burn you even without intent just by slipping up and making a bad one because I mean yeah companies to some of its people of course but I still wouldn't anthropomorphize it to use your word that it seems kind of dangerous to go that route so yeah I I would say just be careful of it company doesn't really some of them care more about consumers than others but you still just want to look at everything at a product level if you can go you have to look out for yourself too if you want to buy the best thing then look at it product wise pick the best product if you have strong moral or other considerations that's great I respect that but it's not something that I personally consider as a review or I don't really consider it my job to be like a moral or an ethics reviewer in addition to a product review or I'm looking the product if the company has done terrible things okay we'll probably mention it but I'm still looking at the product at the end of the day and and I see that as more of my job you know I'm like not really qualified to do a character judgment at the same time as a product judgment and I fully respect that it matters but I will leave it to the individuals buying it because I think that that stuff gets into the more subjective territory I don't feel comfortable going there but I also just answer your question no don't I would not attribute characteristics to an entire company even though it is a song that's employees yeah so that's it for this point I think that's all me questions we're gonna try the pilot pain with two SG NS I don't know 1215 hours apart something like that let us know what you think we'll look at the view numbers and see if it warrants doing it continually and as always help us out directly on patreon.com such gamers axis that's a thousand times that word 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