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hey Ron welcome back to another SVN for this episode we have a special guest answer from Johnny guru from the famous power slide review website he also works at coarser these days on the power supply team so we get into that in a moment and also leave your questions in the comment section below if you have questions for the next week's two episodes we're shooting three today two of them will be on the main channel one will go to the patreon backers at patreon.com slash gamers Naxos if you'd like to get access to the bonus episode and then finally got a couple of community questions that are really good as well and our second episode that we're filming for this one will have one of the overclockers either dare bower or build Zoid join in for an answer but we'll get to that in the next video before that this video is brought to you by thermal takes view 37 case the view 37 focuses on highlighting custom PC builds with its full panoramic window and tinted front acrylic and our thermal testing the view 37 performed reasonably well when considering its looks focused build which is partly thanks to the airflow design and the removal of a bottom power supply shroud for a balance of looks and performance check the link in the description below for the view 37 so just before the first question to point out again we have new posters in these are pretty sweet they are video card component basically a GPU or video card anatomy posters it shows things like where the inductors are MOSFETs memory all that stuff so if you're into posters we have them on stored on cameras nexus net you can pick them up now they're shipping now as orders come in and they're brown brand new so thank you for the interest for those of you who picked up the first ones a quick aside on that I signed the first ten of them that I came across when we were quality checking they are going to go out at random in the first round of shipment so the order one you might get one of the signed ones they're signed and numbered one out of ten so first question this is going back to the previous week's to episodes where one of our viewers asked about Japanese capacitors basically what's the deal with Japanese capacitors you see our motherboard boxes video card boxes basically where the vendors are saying it has Japanese caps and that's supposed to be enough to get you interested in buying it so clearly there is this idea that Japanese capacitors are just inherently better quality but one would assume like most things it's possible for any country to house companies that are capable of making bad things too so we pitched this question we asked builds write about it last week and he basically came to the conclusion of well I don't know of any bad Japanese capacitors offhand on motherboards that I work with is sort of what builds what is getting that and so as far as he was concerned it's reasonable marketing we asked Johnny guru as well who is very particular about his capacitors Johnny guru from Johnny guru.com formerly and now at Corsair these days it's probably one of the most qualified people to talk to this question on the power supply front so he said quote they're not always better per se that just gives you a sense of security because so far there are currently no bad Japanese capacitors there are lots of Chinese and Taiwanese brand caps that are just as good but who's going to tour you through a factory and hold your hand through a datasheet to explain how when you can just buy a Japanese brand and I interjected here in the conversation and basically said I get you so it's just easier to market Japanese brand capacitors because the Taiwan or China brand capacitors are potentially having lower floor of quality than Japanese capacitors so that is what I took away from that and Johnny agreed that's what he was trying to convey further said and he's got a couple of analogies here it's like if someone says we're going to see a flick directed by Christopher Nolan you know it's probably going to be a great movie no matter what Japanese capacitors whereas someone says let's see a John Carpenter flick and you end up with ghosts of Mars instead of the thing yes it's a fair marketing bullet point but it doesn't automatically make a product better you can't take a crappy product and make it better with Japanese capacitors likewise if you use the wrong cap in the wrong application you still end up with trouble waiting to happen like a set of Brembo brakes isn't going to suddenly make a chevy aveo a great car or a vo if you prefer so there's your analogies hopefully one of those two works for you to expand on this what what mr. Guru is getting at is the marketing overall Japanese capacitors presently as they're made today they grew sort of in popularity as many of you pointed out in the last episode from a capacitor plague that affected a lot of the caps back I don't know if was the late 90s early 2000s and so Japanese capacitors grew to great popularity after that and during that event because they dodged this capacitor plate where caps would just up and die and actually a few of you noted that you worked on boards during that cap leg and made a lot of money from replacing capacitors so it's that is that was a particular piece of knowledge I didn't have before I appreciate your comments on that but expanding on what Johnny was saying here John grow from Corsair these days it's it's fair marketing it's just that if the vrm on the motherboard itself is not a good view around if it has bad MOSFETs or if it's kind of cheating the phase design like we've talked about in recent videos with some motherboards the Japanese capacitors won't just fix that problem so there could still be underlying problems and you still altom utley have to pick a capacitor that works for the application it's a great answer from Johnny guru and he's at coarser these days if you're curious what he's been up to it's also helping us figure out some power supply testing that we'll be doing more of in the near future as we move into our office that we've briefly mentioned the past next question tech professor says with the expected launch of new hardware later in August and traditional annual Hardware generation updates each fall when would you consider the sweet spot to start a new build so yeah there should be obviously product updates in quarter three and four there always are so it's kind of hard to answer that we don't know how they're going to perform right now the way I always answer this question of should I buy or wait is pretty straightforward with the system you have today are you happy with it is it holding you back in any ways that are if it's a production system is it costing you money in terms of time if it's a gaming system are you just not enjoying it if you're happy with how it is just keep using it because new hardware is always a couple months away if you don't need something today then just just wait if you are unhappy with it if it's holding you back especially if it's a work system that it's costing you money then probably just start upgrading but keep in mind that there are a lot of rumors about new GPUs we don't actually know anything about them yet we don't know when they're launching if they're launching and eventually there will be some but don't know the specs of them don't know how they're supposed to perform some of the leaks that are out there I can tell you with certainty are incorrect so it's it's really hard to say how long you should wait or if he should at all because it we could be looking at weeks to months GPUs is often sell out too when they first launched so if there is a launch there's no guarantee you're gonna get one also pricing we don't know what kind of position they have in the performance stack we don't know CPUs we don't know how to % know when Intel's launching their next stuff we know that the eight cores are supposed to come out probably by quarter four it's just we don't have pricing so if you're thinking I'm going to buy six core 8700 K or just wait for an eight core there's no guarantee that eight core is the same price as a six core so waiting for it might not matter if it ends up out of your budget because it costs more than a six core anyway so to answer your question you know if you wait maybe two or three months that's when we should know everything there is to know about what's launching in the last half the year if you can't wait that long because your systems holding you back then just just by now because it doesn't matter what you do it's always going to be obsolete within a couple of months because that's how quickly the industry turns over so there's always something new around the corner there's no reason feeling buyer's remorse or anything like that if something new comes out within a couple months of you buying because that's almost 100 percent of the time going to happen so you just buy based on how you're feeling right now about your system and that's all there is to it don't don't try and like min/max your performance $2.00 if it's if it's making you suffer today but if you can hold off then I guess hold off it's pretty basic answer really so Allah says do GBS have some kind of casual proof OSI protection I thought someone maxed out the GPU and memory frequencies in my palette OSI software because I was curious my PC just restarted and frequencies were back to normal it works fine for another two days but suddenly would start and regular it wouldn't start in regular mode then in safe mode it showed blue and pink vertical lines distorted colors I guess I fried it was this my fault or did I just accelerate the end of the product life times 465 see a 100 percent load and I didn't mess with the voltages there was a 780 super Jetstream couple things here do they have casual proof OC protection yes it's maybe not as much for your protection as much as his days just making sure you can't overclock it too high and invalidate the next product category up but it's effectively a protection so the 780 and everything after it and on the Nvidia side you can't really change voltage that much and it's typically voltage that starts to kill things either either indirectly from increasing the heat or directly from just being too much voltage the 780 Maxwell Pascal and even Volta on the Titan VIII they have extremely limited voltage overall team Headroom so you really can't do a lot of damage unless you start doing things like shut mods incorrectly if you do a shunt mod on a shunt resistor like one of these and dump liquid metal all over the solder joints that's a problem just quick side note I know there's been some discussion about that lately if you're careful with your liquid metal application and not an idiot ie you don't just like smear it all over the solder joints it won't fall off the board I know some people have seen that happening but just be careful about your liquid metal application that will be fine so unless you're doing that and you are also just not cautious while applying the liquid metal it's pretty hard to kill a video card from overclocking just increase in frequencies not enough unless you're also running way over temperature so at 65 degrees you're perfectly with an operating range you didn't touch the voltage now that you can really do it anyway don't do any BIOS mods it doesn't sound like so unless you're doing one of those things it's pretty hard to kill it it could be complete coincidence it could be the drivers got screwy sometimes when you're overclocking and stuff crashes during the course of an overclock you can sort of a corrupt the drivers or corrupt 3dmark installations I've all the time so I would recommend go to Wagner software and download DD you display driver on installer it's free go boot it's a safe mode with DD you it has an option and it's do that do the clean uninstall of the Nvidia drivers and then reboot install the Nvidia drivers clean reboot and hopefully it's fixed you might have just corrupted the drivers it's possible that you're talking about distorted colors often that means some kind of memory issue either memory over temperature or if you like bend a PCB too much you can sort of crack or disengage the traces to the memory and that'll cause the distorted colors so if if you haven't messed with the card physically it's clearly not that but it's possible that as it is a couple years old now maybe there's dust in between the thermal pads and the memory modules maybe thermal paste is drying up so do the driver thing first if that doesn't work restart or shutdown actually pull the card and just take it apart it's really easy anyone can do it be careful when you remove the fan headers as long as you're careful with those not to rip the cables out of the header you'll be fine clean off the throttle paste reapply it and check the thermal pads it may be apply new ones try and get something that's the same height as the ones you have measure it with a width like digital calipers and you'll be fine so that's what I would do if you have to reapply and paste and checking the thermal pads making sure everything's making contact thermally if it's still having problems let us know again I'll keep an eye out for your name but those would be the two troubleshooting steps I would suspect would help as for as far as overclocked resetting they typically do that when restarting especially if they were unsuccessful anyway so I wouldn't panic just yet it sounds like a coincidence or it sounds like it was the catalyst to just something that was gonna overheat at some point anyway finally overheating but hopefully it's just a matter of getting that whatever that component is back into good contact so those are my thoughts on that yes they are a casual proof in general you can't really overclock even AMD cards neither neither vendor allows you to overclock in ways that are extreme enough to seriously damage them unless you're also way over temperature and you were next one proto amp says this might be a stupid question but why does fan reporting software have often have different rpm than what you would expect if the max rpm of a fan is 1500 as per the spec sheet I'm somehow able to get 16 100 when it's set to 100% similarly if I set to 50% speed and I'm getting 1,100 rpm which isn't the 750 or 800 rpm I would expect maybe it takes into account minimum rpm so where am I missing something it's actually definitely not as stupid questions it's a very good question there are a lot of things that cause rpm variants the first one to point out and this is separate from what you're talking about is a hardware level so the motors and just the fan itself but especially the motors have a natural variance so every I have like 15 of the same fans my left on the floor and every one of those is going to have a slightly different maximum and minimum rpm it typically varies by about plus or minus 10% of the advertised back on the website if they claim it'll be a thousand rpm you might get one that's 1,100 you might get one that's something like 900 and that's just from manufacturing tolerances so that's the first thing to keep in mind the advertised number might be plus or minus 10% of what you get in reality and we actually talked about that in our course our H 100 I pro review that one live a couple days ago where the h1 high Pro has two fans where one of them was spending like 5200 rpm lower than the other one the other part of this is you're talking about setting to 50% speeds and not getting exactly 50% of the max speed a lot of this is PWM range keep in mind fans often have a minimum floor for what they can spin at first of all so the scale isn't necessarily 0 to 1600 it might actually be more like 500 to 1,600 and below that signal strength of whatever 500 rpm is it'll just be off so that's a consideration spinning with PWM versus DC so going DC voltage is going to affect the fan speed in a different way than PWM the PWM to rpm signal response will create a different rpm readout in your software than just DC voltage so as pulse width modulation works differently than DC where with DC are just changing from like 12 volts to 7 or 10 it depends on kind of if the controller is is linear stepping or if it's like hard points sometimes controllers are three hard points where it's like 12 volts seven volts and 5 volts or something like that and that would control the RPM instead so that's consideration software is a consideration they all kind of read it slightly differently depending on what softer EEZ me find a hardware info to be the most accurate so I'd recommend that and I think that covers most of it I'm sure I'm overlooking something fence trains have a lot of reasons for variants but those are the main ones it's an you FAC shirring hardware level tolerances and then whether you're using pulse width modulation versus DC voltage control and you can check that in BIOS if you're not sure your FiOS fan speed settings will give you the option switch between them then the third thing being that the scale isn't 0 to X it's actually minimum to X and minimum being often above 400 in most cases next one is from krill 89 do you ever do you ever take vacation like go away on a two-week vacation and not make videos that entire time know the only reason I really wanted to include this is to note that we've got the G on seaside channel where I uploaded a few things recently from Whistler Bike Park including talking about the GPU market while riding down a mountain at Whistler so I try to get work involved whenever I can we can't really take breaks from making videos especially not for two weeks the most I'll do is like well kind of before the LTX trip the line is tech Expo trip we did six videos in one day and that covered us for the next six days so that gives time to travel still working during that time but it allows me to work maybe only like four to eight hours a day instead of whatever we normally do a lot and and also have videos like backed up ready to go so a lot of the time when you see videos sort of a surrounding conventions there's a good chance we filmed it like a week ago but yeah G on steep side channel has some extra extra videos if you're interested in that kind of stuff mostly biking at this point some of its biking I'll talk about hardware just for something different it gets the work involved everywhere I go next one we've got two left Vlad Nick who says would it be a good idea to put little a little Tim between a component and a thermal pad to improve heat transfer like putting the thermal paste on BRM just put it there on pad on top or put a cooler on top of something else so or is it a waste of paste the only reason to really do that is if you're having trouble with stuff sticking it's like if you're trying if you're trying to seep a video card cooler and the thermal pads are falling off you're not holding on whatever you can't get it to line up perfectly you could put just a dab of thermal paste on maybe three components just thought it'll on it it's not going to improve the thermal transfer will actually worse but if you just do a small bit for basically acting as glue but not literally thermal adhesive don't do that if you do adjust to act as a bit of adhesive that will will not inhibit the thermal transfer too much and it'll help the pad stick that's the only reason I would do it anytime you're adding thermal interfaces between the component and the cooling device you're going to worsen the ability to cool you're adding more layers for it to go through you basically you want the copper or whatever aluminium to be as close to the silicon as possible and adding interfaces worsens that increases that distance so it's going to add more thermal resistance only use it if you need something that is not a literal thermal adhesive but it's still kind of sticky to hold that there all that in place that's the only reason I would do that last one Noorie says what has been the most outrageous proposition towards snowflake that any vendor has done so some vendors in your case manufacturers are probably the worst about this case manufacturers send with their cases zip ties can you believe they're trying to bribe us by giving snowflake toys and frankly I think it has to stop and I know that you all don't get zip ties when you buy cases so it's just I I find it really troubling that the big case manufacturing industry is shipping zip ties just with our cases to try and bribe our and the analyst and sometimes CEO there's gonna be a weird cut just like a second ago so we got done filming this this is a few days later now and I realized I had one more special question from LTX there was a kid there a comic kid but he's in sixth grade his name is Thomas and he came up to me at LTX and this is why I really admired that kid he said to me that he basically moved on from Linus's content to ours because it was more technical and then he moved on from hours to build Zoids because we weren't acting calling out for him so I holy crap that kid's gonna be like a chief architect at Intel er and video someday hey so the kid's name he is Thomas and he was at LTX with his dad I talked to them both about career options and what he was interested in tried to explain so the YouTube space to his dad it was a lot of fun it really inspiring to see that kind of interest in someone who's got so long to figure things out still so Thomas asked me and this again I'm cutting it in oddly because we forgot and then it'll cut back to the rest of the video oddly but Thomas asked me this he said after explaining to me that we're not good enough for him any asked to watch builds right now he said what's the best video you've ever made I have two answers here I have the professional answer and I have the personal answer so let me start with the professional answer on the professional side my favorite videos have been probably the Coolermaster feature in the it was Coolermaster Intel and Andy so we got three of the big companies that we criticized last year and the video was disappointment built so it's one of our more popular ones but we actually we have a lot of unaired footage from that we went out to an abandoned mall parking lot at like 2:00 a.m. Andrews car battery died and everything and because we were using it as a light and we filmed a an unaired clip of me pretending to run over the age 500 P having second guess is picking it up putting in the car saving it and then basically we cut to the Iron Man scene which is what made it into the final cut oh this for the H 500 you match - so it was basically that was disappointment filled like inspiration that all got shelved we went with the attic scene that you saw later and then we revived that idea for the H 500 PS ditched the car scene ditched the abandoned mall and just went with the Iron Man scene where I'm like forging and aged 500 Pete mash in the garage basically so that was a lot of fun second answer for the professional side I really enjoyed the EVGA ACX versus icx testing and that's just because it kind of put us on the map for a lot of people it was really interesting from a methodological point of view to devise the testing methodology figure out how do we abuse these vrm components so that was a lot of fun - and also that's something that Thomas our asker of this question is interested in it's VRMs and things like that on the personal side of things I'd have to say and this is a weird answer but 3d vision of all things 3d vision wasn't particularly popular but it's one of the few aspects of as we grew it as I started to get review Hardware in for the first time ever this was one of the first things I got to review after a few cases and SSDs and I got 3d vision in and it's like the the first review product that I got to show my dad one of the only things like he got to see that I worked on because well yeah so he he looked at 3d vision really thought it was interesting and and so that was just fun for me and something that I hang on to because I don't get that opportunity now so that those are the two those are the three videos that I enjoyed the most I don't know if we did a video for 3d vision but I did an article and I despite looking back despite kind of seen it as really not the best technology I found it very impressive at the time and kind of like VR where I found it like super impressive when I first tried it really liked it and then after that it's like I know that's kind of a lot of work to set it up and use it so I'm not gonna bother but I liked it at a time so those are the visiting answers Thomas thank you for your question you have a bright future ahead of you if you keep hanging out to these high quality first of all hopefully next year you can meet build Zoid that's some and you can say to him build Zoid you know what I used to love your content but frankly you're not tackling calling out for me anymore I've moved on to but I don't I don't know who else you can move on through at that point but hopefully you figure something out cuz you're gonna run out of content to consume them at your skill level pretty soon so thank you for the questions really cool to meet you guys Thomas and Thomas is dad if you ever have questions about jobs in the industry find me you can email me it's on the website and I'll help you out so thanks for watching guys I'm gonna cut back to the rest of this video now and hopefully the timeline is not too screwed up because I'm not a video editor anymore so I'll do my best to bridge it 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