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hey guys build Zoid here from actually hardcore overclocking and today we're going to be doing a sort of consider motherboard considerations for Rison third gen CPUs and we're gonna be going through x5 70 board's x4 17 boards and B 450 motherboards because the first thing you need to answer when choosing a motherboard for your third gen CPU is do I need PCIe 4.0 because you probably don't and if you don't you can save a lot of money that you can then use to actually get more performance instead of wasting it on PCIe 4.0 before that this video is brought to you by Thermal Grizzlies conduct a not liquid metal conductor not as what we've used in all of our liquid metal and delayed thermal tests capable of dropping CPU thermal significantly and replacing the stock thermal interface over CPU thermals don't just allow better overclocks but also lower noise levels because the transfer efficiency is increased the mix of gallium and indium makes for a thermal conductivity of 73 watts per meter Kelvin outclassing traditional pastes significantly learn more at the link in the description below the thing about PCI u 4.0 is do you have a 20 atti well that doesn't use PCIe 4.0 it uses 3.0 so it'd be 450 board for a 20 atti is actually a perfect fit as long as that sounds as far as the 20 atti is concerned pcie 3.0 is pcie 3.0 it doesn't matter if it's coming from a hundred dollar board or a seven hundred dollar board it's still pcie 3.0 so that's something to keep in mind the one thing currently that really takes advantage of PCIe 4.0 is like high-speed m2 SSDs which we've seen a bunch of them demo like getting demonstrated but the thing is like you'll have to make up your own mind if you need one of those you know you'll have to make up your own mind about those personally I still use SATA SSDs so I don't have much of it like I don't have much to say in that area I think they're a massive waste of money but at the same time I know there's like certain workloads where people really care about having very fast storage and you know if you're one of those people I assume you already know that you need PCI u 4.0 and you're excited to buy yourself a PCI u 4.0 motherboard and if you're one of those people who doesn't do those things then you probably don't need PCI u 4.0 and you don't know why you would need it in the first place right so I'd say PCI u 4.0 is one of those things if you don't know why you need it you probably don't but uh yeah and with the GPUs so yeah you might be like okay so the twenty atti doesn't support PCI u 4.0 but what-what about thirty atti that will support PCI u 4.0 well yes but a twenty atti is really really far away from maxing out of 3.0 x16 so I have a question for you do you think the thirty ATT I will be twice as fast as a twenty atti because I really doubt that considering the current rates of progress with GPUs I really doubt that the next wave of GPUs will be suddenly twice as fast as what we currently have and even then unless you're buying the thirty atti right if you're if you were buying like a mid-range thirty thousand see right through the 3000 series and video card you would actually probably not be like you you would still not be anywhere near maxing out PCIe 4.0 so I think the the need for PCI you 4.04 GPUs is several years away because currently GPUs aren't even close like currently GPUs are just about starting to reach the limit of like pcie 3.0 x8 and the GPU reaching that limit is the 2080 ti not really anything else so that's something to consider with the motherboards and so we'll start off with sort of X 470 boards for people who don't want to spend a bunch of money on PC IU 4.0 that they won't use so that they can spend that money on things like better memory better cheap GPU with a better heat sink or better CPU cooling system right things that actually give you more performance rather than wasting money on a high-end board well expensive board because there's high-end X 570 boards and low-end X 570 boards in the low-end ones are just still expensive anyway so starting off with the X 470 boards the noteworthy motherboard here is the Taichi ultimate because this is the cheapest way to get 10 gig LAN on on a m4 which is basically the only reason to get this board you might be wondering but build Zoid the crosshair 7 hero is a good board and the gaming 7 is also a good board yes but there are $200 X 570 motherboards that are also good boards and those are $200 so they're slightly cheaper and good so I don't know why you'd get a 270 dollar X 470 board when you can have a $200 X 570 board that does the same thing right so that's something to consider though at the same time there might be some feature that you really like about the crosshair 7 hero or the gaming 7 from gigabyte and if you know what that is and you can't find it on the next 570 board just get this instead I mean there's no issue with that am I to tell you what you need but personally I think there's nothing there's nothing super impressive about either like any of the sort of two hundred plus dollar X 470 boards because $200 X 570 boards are really like I really like them they're really really good in my opinion in fact I think in some ways the $200 ex-wife 70 motherboards are a bit too good because a lot of the board's above that price point also don't make any sense as a result but anyway so Taichi ultimate really great option for the 10 gig LAN that it offers but one concern with this board is that it does not have vials flashback so you're gonna have to get the retailer to actually update the bios of this motherboard for you because otherwise it won't post with a third gen CPU so that's something to consider that like that's an issue you'll run into anyway moving on from the Taichi ultimate we have the gaming Pro carbon which this like this board barely scrapes by you know out of the 200 like as soon as you're $200 just buy an x5 17 in my opinion because you can get some really great $200 x5 17 boards but this board barely manages to avoid that yeah at this price point like it makes sense if you see it even cheaper then it makes more sense as a good feature set the vrm is good enough to run a 3900 X even fully overclocked you have good vrm heat sinks I like it's a it's a solid board it's actually like I use this motherboard from memory testing a ton because I just really liked the combination of like at the price point the vrm the features it's a really solid option in every way and for that reason alone I think you know you you should consider it so yeah there's the i/o section that's a clear CMOS button that you get right there and that's also like one of the things I really like about the board is like clear CMOS on the rear i/o is super handy if you're doing a lot of overclocking which actually most X 570 boards don't have that but they have so much like I guess like well I feel like if you're paying like paying you know the same for an older board that has just because it has some extra buttons I argue doesn't make a lot of sense right like because you can make the same argument for these boards except that like 170 to 180 dollar x57 two boards kind of like that they get pretty bad pretty fast because the cheapest boards are 150 so at around the 180 dollar mark X 570 boards are already really really not great anyway next board on X 417 worth considering this one only if you're getting an 8 core or a 6 core if you're getting a 12 core I would avoid this unless you intend to run its stock because if you're overclocking this vrm heatsink right here is atrocious and won't stop the vrm from overheating because yeah like these heat sinks have zero surface area and as a result like this we are I'm run stupid ha if you put it like if you use a 12 quart so for an 8 core or 6 core this motherboards are really good fit you have a really good set of like good i/o good set of features really solid option also no BIOS flashback so you're gonna need your retailer to update it for you same as the gaming Pro carbon and the Taichi ultimate so that's kind of the the the only issue with these boards is like that there's there's no while splash back functionality on them but other than that they're they're definitely solid choices and you save a bunch of money compared to the you know X 570 boards now moving on from sort of these X 470 options let's go into B 450 boards and for B 450 I mean if you like the feature set of the gaming Pro carbon but you want to spend less money and you don't need the feature like X 470 compared to be 450 the only thing it really does is it offers SLI support so if you don't plan to use SLI you can get a gaming Pro carbon from MSI on B 450 for 160 dollars which is about 20 bucks cheaper than the than the X 470 gaming Pro carbon but this thing also has Wi-Fi which the gaming Pro carbon does I don't think it had it has still has intel on it also has BIOS flashback so you can actually update the BIOS of this motherboard without having a CPU installed which is great if you're buying it for a third gen CPU so that's really really awesome and overall like it literally has the same feature set as the gaming Pro carbon the vrm is a bit of a downgrade but but it still has this really large of erm heatsink so if you throw enough airflow at it it'll still handle a 3900 it's just that it will need airflow and the board does not working vrm temperature sensor so you can check if your cooling like if your VR I'm cooling is adequate you can check it yourself right and always just rearrange like ultimately you can just throw a fan at it that'll fix everything so that's your expensive option for B 450 unfortunately B 450 is still in that situation where it's just like all the best boards or msi boards I'm sorry it's like if you don't like em as I am don't go to me for motherboard recommendations I I my personal statement on my preferred motherboard vendor is that I hate all board vendors equally because they make crap boards they did make crap boards and or they will make crap boards and therefore none of them like there's no one brand that consistently makes the same level of quality it always goes up and down for any platform any price point there's a different winner most of the time right like it's very very rarely that you end up in a situation like MSI where basically all of the B 450 MSI boards are just better than everybody else's so good job MSI but well once we get to the x5 70 boards you'll see what I mean by like the you know very rare that it's one brand just dominating the entire platform so next we have the MSI be 450 tomahawk and like it's it's a game like you keep the upgraded vrm heatsink from the gaming Pro carbon but it cuts down the well it's not as upgraded it's not as large but it is still a very effective heatsink you do get a BIOS flashback functionality and good overclocking support like basically you save some money the main thing you lose is like Intel and there's no Wi-Fi on this but you know I don't care about those kinds of things then this thing is a hundred and fifteen dollars which is significantly cheaper than even the cheapest of the x5 70 boards so definitely a solid option right there and then if you want to save even more money you can go as low as like the gaming plus down here and unfortunately MSI had like a bunch of m8 like MSI had mortar em ATX boards which were based on the tomahawk like kind the same VR I'm in VR I'm calling as the tomahawk and and for some reason those don't seem to be available anymore which is a real really unfortunate cuz I really like those boards I think those were some of the best mhm TX boards produced on the entire am4 platform up until actually even with five seventy even with ex-wife seventy we haven't really seen any good am ATX boards it's basically an abandoned form factor at this point but uh yeah if you want to go cheaper there is the gaming plus this still has miles flashback the vrm has gotten another set of downgrades so at this point you know this board only for like the eight core and the six core CPUs I would not overclock a 3900 X on this unless you want to be dealing with like a delta fan sitting on top of the VR m which in other words very loud so yeah but for for the lower core count CPUs this is actually a really solid option and if you want em ATX then they do actually make an m-80 X version of that board in the form of this board and that is also a pretty solid but like it's it's a solid option for the same reason right it's just a smaller version of the other board unfortunately this one's out of stock so this one might be canceled soon as well which kind of sucks and the only downside to this one is you do get only two DIMM slots but you can get 32 gig games these days so yeah I don't really see that as an issue and if anything the fact that this only has two DIMM slots will make your over memory overclocking better so that that's kind of neat for ITX options on before 50 there's one true answer and that answer is this right here because this has a really solid of erm however the cooling situation is less than ideal just because it's an ITX board and they're always less than ideal in terms of cooling situation the issue is these boards are just not very big so you can't have a really big vrm heatsink and there's a hard limit on how efficient your vrm can be so at some point you're gonna run into the issue of you need a bigger heatsink and you just can't get one now we can move on to x5 270 and in x5 79 we will start with the high end and then we'll work our way down so first up this board I want to complain I really want to complain so this right here this board don't buy this board whatever you do do not buy this motherboard because this motherboard is across her eight hero with a water block and five gig lan that is the only two differences between this the formula and the hero o and it has you know like well aesthetics are like look if you want to pay so 350 dollars for an aesthetic I out like for aesthetics then I guess go for it but the general issue is that yeah this right here has the same vrm same i/o section same everything except that this has two and a half gig Realtek lan as well as one gig intel while this has five Giga quanta and one gig intel oh and this has this useless water block and that water block is useless because it's sitting on a vrm that barely needs a heatsink in the first place and you know asus instead of trying like here's the funny thing that water block could have actually been a good feature to have on this motherboard if they had like heat pipes from the chipset heatsink going into the water block so that when you water cool the vrm it also cools down the chipset to the point that the fan doesn't need to ever turn on again instead here's your useless water block on the vrm that doesn't need a heatsink and a five gig lan for twice the price alright like seriously they're literally charging you twice as much money for a water block and a lan upgrade in the ultra high-end i think you know gigabyte x57 2 horas extreme kind of takes the kid takes the win and honestly this is a board that it's like i don't think you need but it has it is fully passive there's no chipset fan because gigabyte realized that with their ridiculously efficient vrm we can use the VRMs heatsink as a chipset heatsink so they have this heat pipe right here and that basically means that they get away with running the chipset passive so yeah no fan awesome and yes the vrm is ridiculous overkill and complete like the heat sinks on the vrm are great board is absolutely ridiculous you also get 10 gig lan which is again like the formula is 5 gig this is 10 gig so more is better right like it's really that simple especially since they cost the same amount of money you get power and reset you get dual BIOS you got you know you got the BIOS which is on this board as well right right down here you got voltage Reed points you basically get everything like everything I ever wanted from a motherboard you could get on this motherboard except that I never wanted a motherboard for $700 I'm sorry gigabyte but even like even as a fan of you know insane motherboards 700 is insane and not in a good way but unfortunately that seems to be the the the default ultra high-end price for X 570 because the God likes also $700 and yeah but the God like the the God like is just this weird mishmash of features that it's not worth getting into as far as I'm concerned so yeah for for X 570 don't buy the formula for the ultra high definitely don't buy the formula the extreme looks in my opinion as the clear winner of the ultra high-end 4x 570 but even that is just like a really hard time justifying that board anyway what else do we have well there's the X 570 Pro WS this board is interesting because instead of 8 8 8 4 PCIe configurations it supports 8 8 8 8 1 concern I have with that is that the chipset only has a 4x connection to the CPU so that 8 X connection on the chipset PCIe slot down on the bottom edge that still goes through the same 4x connection to the CPU so there's a pretty good chance that if you're actually using 8 X worth of bandwidth and you're communicating to the CPU with 8 x worth of bandwidth it'll just bottleneck anyway and it won't give you any advantage over just having an X 4 PCIe slot so I'm not 100% certain what problem that PCIe slot is supposed to solve because like the connection to the CPU is still in x4 like you can't cram more data through an X for than X 4 right like that's kind of the idea behind that so yeah but interesting board nonetheless so that's why it gets a shout-out then here we have the x5 70 or ass Master the x5 70 phantom gaming X we all of course also have the crosshair 8 hero where as a 8 hero non Wi-Fi we also get the crosshair 8 hero with Wi-Fi and then the Meg ace and all of these boards are in that 350 to 360 s well 370 80 yeah 84 Isis of course have to be the most expensive 380 dollar price range and the thing about all of these boards as far as I'm concerned they're all interchangeable none of them is a clear winner in any way shape or form so just pick your own poison because ultimately I think it's gonna come down to whichever board has like the best memory overclocking support which depends on like BIOS and a whole bunch of things that I just can't judge right now like I'd actually have to test the board and memory testing takes forever so yeah like I can't see anyone board here for for the three hundred and fifty dollar price tag I can't see any one board that's a clear winner and so just kind of pick whatever you like whatever you like the aesthetics of I guess or whichever bias you are more you prefer more or that kind of thing because yeah all of these boards like on paper they're equivalent completely equivalent as far as I'm concerned so that's kind of that then we get to the $300 price point with the X 570 - e which this shouldn't exist because this shouldn't take like this like that - f should get cancelled and the - a should get lower price tag as far as I'm concerned this thing like it's a bit too expensive then we have the Auris ultra and the Tai Chi and the well MSI doesn't really have a $300 board do they I don't think they do because they basically yeah they have the ACE and they have the gaming Pro carbon and the gaming pro carbon is 250 and the ACE is 3 3 6 9 so MSI is not competing in the $300 arena which is fine as far as I'm concerned but the winner of the $300 arena as far as features are concerned is the tai chi it just because basically whereas like basically the way to think about all of the other boards in the $300 price tag is look at the master look at the phantom gaming acts look at the crosshair eight hero and then start chopping off features and you'll get there the the $300 boards but the thing is the Tai Chi has very little cutaway like the only thing it loses is like the two and a half gig line compared to the fight to the Phantom gaming X and as a result it just ends up with a better feature set than every other board at this price point so for $300 the Tai Chi is in my opinion a clear winner assuming asrock hasn't screwed up their bios or something right so that right there is is the board to beat for $300 I think a lot of the other boards just like they just don't have the same feature set they're like you know posed like that this has everything that the phantom gaming X has except it's like 300 dollars cheaper except the line whereas something like this this technically keeps the VR I mean heatsink off the master but it loses the post it loses the buttons right which are really cheap things that I think what should have stayed it maintains the m dot 2 ml two slots but it also gets a different vrm that's significantly worse where's the phantom gaming X and the Taichi the same DRM on both and it's a very solid vrm in fact it's not really that different from the vrm that you get on the old try it's just that and well this has more features other than that so yeah at that point you you should just go for the Thai cheap so $250 price tag is a price tag that I don't even get why x5 70 motherboards exist in the 250 dollar price category because $200 X 570 boards exist so fun fact the - II the - F and the - Pro over here these all use the same vrm as the tough gaming right here all of them have the same vrm and this is $200 and it comes with Wi-Fi which funnily enough the - Pro doesn't have which doesn't make any sense so that's kind of that so this is like if you want Wi-Fi in a solid vrm you get this and if you want a solid vrm don't need Wi-Fi and you want bios flashback functionality there's the Auris elite which is a really solid option and there's the steel legend from from as rock but that kinda doesn't really like that doesn't have any clear advantage over the other - as it has a weaker vrm than both and it doesn't even have as many features as either of them so this doesn't have Wi-Fi whereas this does have Wi-Fi it doesn't have miles flashback whereas this does have BIOS flashback so because of that I think in the $200 price tag you know oh and this also has Intel LAN whereas this is real tech so you know if you don't care about the Wi-Fi get the get the elite if you do care about the Wi-Fi get the tough that's kind of the solution right there also this is the one and only ITX motherboard currently listed on Newegg there are other ITX boards coming out eventually they're just not available yet so not you know you'll have to wait for the rest to turn up if you're interested in ITX builds so that's the $200 price point like I think honestly gigabyte and Asus kind of screwed up these two boards are too good like because these are so good that like the $250 price point I don't know like okay so this has a different slightly like this has a different VR I'm that's like slightly better but feature set wise it's basically the same thing as the elite right they added like an extra I'm not to cover and they added some debug LEDs but you can live without debug LEDs as far as I'm concerned so it's just like yeah I'm not paying not paying 70 bucks more to get debug LEDs in Wi-Fi that's silly right especially because if I care about Wi-Fi I can buy the $200 ASIS board and this does have debug LEDs right so even actually if you're not offended by the realtek line you can just go straight for this for $200 like this thing is an absolutely killer value and it just makes it the wreck like it makes the pro wear - Pro irrelevant it makes the dash F irrelevant it makes the - irrelevant so good job Asus you you just did an Asus I guess and the same for gigabyte where it's just like the $200 board is I I don't know why you'd get the 271 when when this one does almost everything you I can think like you know if you have a basic set of features that you need from your motherboard this one does them this one already does it you don't need to pay more than that and then you know if we keep sliding down like it is worth noting about that the 300 to 350 dollar price tag and you get massive erm upgrades from a lot of the boards and much better like a heavy overclocking focus right but yeah at 250 dollars you get like because 250 dollars like it's that price tag where they're trying to mishmash the two hundred dollar boards with features from the - $350 boards and and I feel like they just really mismatched the features and the end result is like yeah just two hundred dollars and you get the two most cost-effective motherboards on the entire bloody platform and then below two hundred dollars well the boards gets super stripped down and as a result I wouldn't really recommend any of them the only one I would consider is the x5 70 - P from Asus here because like the funnily enough funnily enough this is the this vrm section right here is very very similar to what you get on a Maximus 11 hero so that's kind of why I give this the win for the sort of cheap 170 dollar X 570 board is because yeah you you get the vrm off the Maximus 11 hero and this is just better than a lot of the VR I'm other like all of the other boards in terms of erm at this price point so yeah and and there's not really any like feature well it doesn't have BIOS flashback which I think both MS Gigabyte have on their entire lineup but it's just like if you want BIOS flashback you could go for the gaming acts and the gaming acts I mean very like very different approach to the VR I'm designed like Asus is going for power stages and only four phases with to power stages per phase which ultimately gives them a like really good powered handling capability and you know you can compensate for low phase count with better higher switching frequency better output filtering better like better input filtering so ultimately there's many ways to design a good vrm and Asus just decided to go for one that unfortunately looks really bad in marketing because you say oh yeah it's a four phase and it's just like well that sounds low and it's it is low but you can make that work and you can make it work very well if you try so anyway whereas gigabyte decided to go for a sort of more like they're going for 10 phase V core with a bunch of discrete MOSFETs so much less sophisticated in execution but still really powerful and you do keep BIOS flashback but the thing is like it's also real tech line at this point and it's just like at like once like the vrm ultimately the arm of efficiency is comparable the V arm power delivery quality and I don't know which one would have an advantage you'd have to use an oscilloscope to check and I doubt you'd actually notice a difference in overclocking anyway so at that point it's just like yeah you can go for that you can go for that and if you want BIOS flashback I would go for this well the one concern I have with this is that this has MOSFETs on the back of the board and there's not a back of the board picture but basically those are a bit of a cooling hazard which the X 570 - P doesn't need to deal with because it just uses power stages those are all in the front of the board so yeah X 570 is just like in the low-end you kind of have gigabyte with the elite while in the cheap X 517 boards you have the elite from gigabyte which absolutely kills it the tough gaming which in my opinion obliterates Asus his own motherboard lineup above $200 good job Asus right there you made a motherboard that's too good for once you also have the tough gaming non Wi-Fi which is $190 which at that point you know like that it's like yeah if you don't need the Wi-Fi that that's a really solid option as well and like the thing is like MSI's gaming plus is also 170 dollars it's just the vrm on this is significantly worse than only other to 170 dollar boards and it's not like it makes up for that with well anything right cuz real tech line again similar ought like actually I don't pay that much attention to the audio section but I don't know if you care about that you can check that yourself but there's nothing immediately that stands out to me on this board you know the i/o section is not that special you do get BIOS flashback that but the gigabyte board also gives you BIOS flashback so like it seems like with X 570 the board vendors have all actually tried to build really good boards and as an end result we have a bunch of good boards unfortunately that also means you kind of have to a lot of options which are like there's not really any wrong choices like it's hard to find wrong choices and at the same time they've managed to make certain price categories just silly because there's boards that are really good at lower price points and like in fact like the the Auris Pro Wi-Fi versus the elite like if you compare the i/o sections it's the same thing literally like I have no idea why gigabyte thought this board is necessary III guess it's like like this is a thing that I guess in the industry where it's just like oh yeah we need to fill out every 50 dollar price category and so every 50 dollars there's a new SKU even if that SKU doesn't make any bloody sense to anybody because it's just like well what does it introduce that actually benefits the end user nothing well why does it exist them because it's because we don't have a 250 dollar board so so that's kind of the issue but x57 do looks really really solid if you're looking at sort of like if you want a motherboard that basically has everything you're looking at a three hundred and fifty dollar board and if you hate chipset fans well yeah I mean you're kind of stuck with the extreme but uh yeah overall I'd like honestly I'm really glad that there's not really any 1x 517 board where I'm just like well I I think the pro for series from as rock looks concerning ly similar to the x4 17 master SLI in terms of the in the vrm Department and that's concerning cuz that VR I'm sucked so yeah those are the only boards where I'm like I would really avoid those but everything else looks really really solid from everyone basically so yeah I guess good job Bobo makers for making an entire platform of motherboards that at least on paper all look really good I guess it's just a now we just need to find out who has like the best memory overclocking support due to BIOS tuning and memory layout and that kind of thing which like you can't judge that from pictures like you actually need that to be reviewed and tested and at the same time I'd say up to 32 733 megahertz any board should be fine it's really passed like 42 of like past 4000 megahertz is where you start noticing major differences between motherboards and memory overclocking so yeah anyway that's it for the video thank you for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below and if you'd like to support 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