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lot of coverage out there which is really strange but the result is exactly what we wanted to see this case is significantly improved over the original aged 500 P and as we go through airflow which we test it with an anemometer this time just to make extra certain everyone's on the same page air flow testing cooling testing and we'll get through that stuff but just straight out the gate I'll tell you it's much better it still has flaws but it's better and the oddity here is now that Coolermaster has managed to at although they might not admit it take some criticisms to heart and improve the case but they didn't send us one which is fine we're not entitled to it I can spend 150 bucks it's fine but the thing I don't get is it just screams like either a lack of confidence or like like some sort of something's going on there politically that doesn't make a lot of sense because if your most critical reviewer is silenced by your improvements that seems like a good thing so anyway the weird thing is there's been basically one review and it's sad now because no one's hearing about the tremendous improvements they've made they 500 view mesh so we're gonna tell you about them because a cooler mastered some reason is not telling you about them a couple things let's go over the basics again just to get everyone up to speed so our chief criticisms of this case the many times over that we have criticized it we're one that it falls apart this one has resolved that I just kind of you know I'm gonna I'm gonna lift it from the top here because if you look from the top it would fall apart but even when I'm really trying to rip that panel off it's still on there so they've done well that's just a clip on the front now the top will not know okay maybe you apply a lot of force it'll kind of budge but it's not going to come off and that's cuz there's a screw dead center in the back which there was not one before so if you pull the screw off you can get the top off of the case but up until that point it's stuck on there this used to wobble and now it doesn't yeah they've improved that they've here the front they prove the top the power supply now mounts to it's just a shell that inserts just like with an s3 40 or a lot of the other cases on the market so you no longer have to take the entire friggin power supply route out to put the power supply in the case that's a great change and you could still take the PSU strata if you wanted to but it's not really a need to anymore unless you just want to improve the GPU cooling performance on the front of GPU cooling performance you may have noticed that the front has mesh in it but they've got a really super fine dust filter behind it in the past with the thermal take g21 and some other cases we've seen instances where you put one of these in the front panel and then you put another filter in front of it you can choke so much air out of the case that it's as much as an 8 to 10 degree increase than just removing those filters and leaving a flat mesh on the front instead or one single dust filter so that's something we looked into and will talk about in a bit we have a shot of this where if you hold up to light you can actually see that it's got some clear like crystallized stuff in between some of the holes that's because they spray adhesive to mount the filter to the front of the mesh front panel and so that gets into the air filters holes but it's not really a big deal because only a couple of them are blocked off as you'll see in our footage and it actually performs okay as we'll go over in a moment so those are all the big changes basically the mesh is the biggest one and again we took an atom out or stuck it in there and tested airflow in a couple different scenarios so that's that's the exterior stuff we think that covers pretty much all of the exterior really quickly obvious it's a white case mixing white on metal with plastic is something that corsair recently had trouble with it with the 275 R and NZXT in the very distant past has had trouble with though they've solved that Coolermaster right away they've done it pretty well the white is more or less a pure white color and it matches on all panels so they've done well with that too internally let's let's take the panel off and check out what it looks like inside a got-damn okay so panels aren't perfect they still have this problem but the thing that kind of sucks is on the inside there's only one clip so you rotate this in increments of quarter turns and eventually every one and four you'll get this to a line with the top and it'll lock so right now you know if you kind of not paint you took the panel off an hour ago you messed with your system you're putting it back on you've forgotten where the inside thing is so if you rotate it that way it will be pointed down or whatever so that could be improved it's really not a big deal it's kind of annoying it's a mild irritation and it's something that they could very easily improve which is the only reason I mentioned in it this is the cable management bar which is a bit of a trend in the industry so they tagged along to that trend we don't find this particularly useful it's not really fat enough to contain the cables reasonably for our configuration and more importantly we'd really like to see some improvements made to this as well so this is the outside this face is to the left to my left and on the inside we'd like to see they're actually on either side we'd like to see some cable tie points so we'd like to see that improved but again pretty minor complete compared to last time where the video literally opened up was the case falling apart in my hat so it's massively improved to go over a couple of other important points we've seen some commentary online on the only review that's out there that's a little bit misguided so the top panel is not mesh it's still the acrylic top someone comments we've seen online I've been like WTF Coolermaster wasted their time it's not mesh on the top no that's not exactly how it works so depending on your configuration there's two ways to look at this and one configuration with tower cooler like we have here with our test bench what we found when we made our own mesh version of the age 500 P like months before this launched probably six months before this launched or more when we made our own mesh if I'd aged 500 P what we found was that putting mesh in the top and the front was actually worse than putting mesh just in the front the reason for that is because of the pressure change it's a really simple pressure air pressure system we're talking out here with mesh in the front and acrylic in the top what you have and no top fans just a rear fan and two front fans what you have is a pressure system that is positive and so air comes in through the front and it's going to feed basically straight into the CPU cooler now there's acrylic on the top in a positive pressure system air will escape anywhere there is a crack for it to escape this is why positive pressure is well-liked because theoretically it helps with das management that's neither here nor there so in theory with a mesh panel on the top and this is something we proved it's not just theory but the theory would be mesh on the top positive pressure without any fans on the top what you have is air that will escape through the top before it ever gets to the CPU cooler so the CPU cooler ends up recirculating a bunch of the warmer air that has come out of the GPU below it which is an open face card so cooler master actually has done what we think is the correct thing to do which is have the acrylic top because that improves the air pressure dynamic in a way that the air goes straight into the CPU cooler into the GPU your thermals are better overall than with a mesh top a mesh top would be better in one primary scenario that's if you have a radiator if you mount a radiator in the top of this thing it's really gonna suck because or actually it'll do the inverse it it won't do anything really because if you put on the top the AIRC hands exhaust through the top panel it can only go through these slats on the side and that's not a lot of space there the back has zero ventilation and it should have a mesh hole there as well if they really want the acrylic on the top so what they've done here is optimized for an air cooled system liquid cooling yes it will work no it will not be optimal so you pick the one that you want I think when I spoke to coolermaster months and months ago when they would still talk to me I think they were planning on doing optional modular mesh panels so if that still goes through you could buy one for the top but I don't know anymore because Coolermaster doesn't want anything to do with us because we criticize the hell out of the first case so let's get through some of the numbers here and then we'll we'll wrap it up and see how this thing does overall before we get into the test data this is the list of components that we use for our standardized case testing so this is our case test bench sponsored by cable mod you can find a link to their cables in this bench in the article below and finally full testing methodology in the article below if you have any questions about how we did this we tested a few primary configurations for thermal and air flow benchmarking the test configurations included a stock test a stock test with the primary dust filter meticulously removed a test with the entire front panel removed and a vertical GPU test these mirrors the tests that we ran on the original H 500 B enclosure though we did eliminate some of the bonus tests that we ran on the original case one such eliminated test was the internally fixed 140 millimeter fans which we were using to determine whether a static pressure limitation inhibited the original case now with a mesh front panel and under focus that buyers of this case primarily want those 200 millimeter fans we are entirely driving efforts toward validating the stock 200 millimeter fan performance we're starting with an airflow test this testing uses a high-end anemometer that has been placed in a fixed position behind the top front intake fan all panels are closed during the test with a small crack in the top panel for the anemometer hot wire cable to pass through this test will give us an airspeed measurement to determine objectively without any thermal testing required how well the various panel configurations perform our thermals should follow these numbers in a non linear but relatively evenly scaled fashion testing is with fans at max speed and with a GPU fan off with a stock configuration of the cooler master H 500 P mesh we measured airflow at 368 linear feet per minute averaged over the test period this is a stark contrast to cooler masters original age 500 PE replacing the H 500 P mesh front panel with the original page 500 people and changing nothing else we measured 137 linear feet per minute of air flow with the old case front panel which by the way fits perfectly on the aged 500 P mesh removing the panel entirely shows us the maximum airflow given our point of measurement and the fans included we're at four seventy seven point five L p.m. for that with a mesh only measurement at four seventy four point six al p.m. note that the LP M measurements are highly volatile these will depend heavily on where you measure against the fan because they are relative four hours they can be compared against each other if other outlets or if you attempted to do anemometer readings of your own they would likely differ due to one barometric pressure and other things local to our environment and to testing in different locations against the fan with different tools can be highly variable so just to be clear here because we don't do a lot of animal door stuff unless it's that knock to a fan investigation we did when you take something like a hot wire anemometer if you hold it up against a fan here versus here we're just here versus here anywhere on the fan it's going to be a different measurement sometimes drastically so because the fans ultimately have different zones where more air will get through or less air will get through depending on how close you are to the outer edge versus how close you are to the hub the hub being a giant dead zone behind it so that matters a lot for our testing we know where to place them we've talked about it in our NOC 2a coverage and we keep it exactly in the same spot fixed basically taped to the location so it does not move during the testing but what we see here is a massive difference because you can take the old panel and throw it onto this case and what you find is that the airflow at 1:30 something LPM versus 360 or so on the other is is quite different so that's a significant change and that change is because of the acrylic on this one and actually while I'm holding this now we're gonna deviate for one second from the thermals and go a bit off-track and let me just remind you of this the wobbliness of the original case and I actually used to Creek a lot too before we fixed it by taping everything down so that creaking and the wobbliness and the cheap McDonald soy plastic as I called it in the original review these we're all problems that were faced with a new panel because they added a crossbar here that adds structural support all sorts needed to push the mesh out anyway but let's get back on topic and go through the thermals now for the first thermal chart we're looking only at the Coolermaster half series products for CPU torture thermals the original Coolermaster h 500 p under stock configuration measured at 56 degrees celsius over ambience one of the worst marks on this chart are actually the worst and it's about five degrees warmer than the half x from 2010 the age 500 p mesh stock operated about 48 degrees over ambient for the cpu and improvement of approximately 8 degrees celsius this is in line with our own observed 8 degrees Celsius improvement from our DIY mesh h 500px four months ago and nearly perfectly follows that old data removing the dust filter from the H 500 feet match resulted in a 46 degree measurement and improvement of only 2 degrees Celsius just outside of margin of error cooler masters dust filter does not significantly impede air flow and we'd recommend leaving it in proving that the cooler master filter isn't impeding air flow our panelists test has us within margin of error of the test barring the filter also 46 degrees over ambient idle temperatures are 0.6 degrees lower in the panelist test but that's within margin of error and a be testing removing the filter results in functionally equivalent performance to removing the panel the filter doesn't harm performance and we get a two-degree boost over stock the original age 500 P charted higher when removing the front panel entirely but this is within variance of being a completely different set of fans all three obviously fans have a lot of variants between them and original age 500 PT appears to have fans that's been a bit faster therefore causing some performance disparity between the panelists tests the difference is resultant of being different fan units there's a lot of variance from fan the fan comparatively CPU thermals that land on the stock H 500 feet mass at 48 degrees placing it just behind the anointed Silverstone our l06 enclosure this is where the H 500 P always belonged near the top of the chart Coolermaster has now landed in the top five or six cases on the chart depending on how you tally them up and comparatively the original H 500 P fell towards the bottom of the charts down near the fractal r6 a silence focused cased and not distant from the dark bass pro 900 also silence focused this is a market improvement for Coolermaster thus far they've resolved our thermal concerns but we need to look at GPU next moving on to GPU thermals with only the H 500 pee on the charts the half acts outperforms all modern iterations as a result of its side mounted intake fan the original h 500 p enclosure operated the worst performance at 55 degrees celsius over ambience and this was bad enough to enter territory of clock drops from Pascal temperature control the aged 500 P rated at fifty two point two degrees over ambient when stock or sixty four point one with the vertical GPU still the worst possible configuration as we're both against the glass and against the tower cooler doesn't even fit properly you need a reference size card with an open-loop to really benefit from this configuration still it's a three degree improvement over the original aged 500 P vertical GPU mount at 68 degrees well into hard throttling territory removing the panel or filter produced once again equivalent results to one another we were well within margin of error for each and taking the 49 degree panelist figure against the stock mesh case we're getting about three degrees not bad at all gaining in a positive direction and that's considering the filter density for the original case we saw an improvement of approximately six degrees on the GPU by removing the panel in the test comparatively half X still sits atop its throne on our GPU thermals chart plotting at 47 degrees over ambient within margin of error of the redline zero six one of the best performers we tested the original H 500 people formed equivalently to the silence focus dark based Pro 900 despite high airflow marketing language which let's just pop that back up on the screen for a second this was from the reviewers guide of the H 500 P this is why we had so many problems with the aged 500 P it was marketed and it was perceived as a high airflow case but getting back to it the mesh case lands between the Corsair 270 R and the Leon Lee alpha 550 performance is acceptable certainly better it's not as impressive of an uplift as we saw with CPU thermals but it is most certainly an uplift limitations here stem from dead zones on the fan aligning with GPU intake and the PSU shroud and the insulating capabilities of that glass panel overall it's much improved but there's room to go further the 3d mark firestrike extreme stress test pushed an average GPU temperature to 52 point eight degrees Celsius over ambiens within margin of error of the torture test temperature the stress test generally causes a higher GPU temperature than the torture test but the mesh remained impressively cool overall it's much better than its stock predecessors fifty eight point nine degrees Celsius over ambiens and the case is on our chart that beat fifty two point eight C in this test are the PMO one the RB 0 2 and the 1/2 X all highly received cases in our reviews we liked all of those to be in company of those is quite good the mesh is definitely no half axe especially in terms of GPU cooling but at least it seems like it's part of the same family unlike the original age 500 P blender rendering on the cpu average the CBO temperature of 35 degrees Celsius one of our coolest scores thus far that's tied with the rv0 2 and within margin of error of the all-time best RL 0 6 at 34 point four degrees Celsius it did undercut the half X's average by about 1.6 C and that's thanks to more direct airflow across the CPU cooler and the stock configuration with air coolers this one has a partially sealed acrylic top panel that also helps with air pressure in a helpful direction rather than spitting it out at the top of the case rendering on the GPU GPU temperature average 25 point five degrees Celsius which isn't quite as competitive as the CPU temperatures but still good the RL 0 6 and RV's to beat it here as did the cougar conquer the PMO one and a half X all of which are either well ventilated case is known for cooling or in the case of the conquer open air for a case with a fold PSU shroud limiting airflow at the bottom of the case this one did relatively well and finally exchanging the sealed acrylic front panel for an open mesh one puts the h 500 P nose levels at forty point seven DBA just a bit louder than the originals 38.7 DBA and roughly equivalent to our 40 DB a mesh of five mod that we did personally it's an acceptable trade-off but the two hundred millimeter fans continue to be louder than we'd expect since the major benefit of large fans is typically quieter operation always levels in the mesh are comparable to the stock Lian Li alpha or cooler master zone stock half x so overall botch improve then it's I mean I'm glad we bought it to test it because this is a case that I could recommend buying Coolermaster come on guys so yeah quite an improvement things we'd like to see change would include the side panel mounting with a flathead screwdriver so as far as some other questions you might have the gray version of the case there will still be an acrylic version of the case there should also be obviously the match version of the case my understanding when I last spoke to them which was when we infiltrated their CES we don't invited was that the change is made here like the screw in the back of the top panel and the clip in the front panel that keeps both of these things secure now my understanding is that these changes should be coming down to the gray version of the case even with the acrylic in the front it's just kind of a guessing game at this point because it should be a silent change basically as the current h 500 PS clear the channel and all of them are sold and depleted from inventory the new ones will come in with these changes including also the power supply mounting change so all the good things except for the mesh part if you still want acrylic because you're doing liquid or you don't care or whatever you can do that and have the other improvements of this case it's just I don't know when that will be true but it should become true eventually a couple of other notes you may have noticed that the GPO temperatures don't improve as much as CV temperatures if you're curious why just out of curiosity it's because on fans there is a dead zone the dead zone is where the hub is located so the closer the fan is to an object it's cooling like if you're right up against a radiator the less air will go through the area that is immediately behind the hub because obviously air doesn't go through a solid wall so in the case of this enclosure the hub is just happens to be located basically directly in line with our open face cards face with the cooling element on the card so because of that you're not getting quite as much high-pressure air flow straight into the face of the cooler as you would if it were positioned either slightly higher or slightly lower so that the blades are more in line with the lowest part of the card where the fans are breathing air in so it still looks fine but if you're curious why performance is that way that's why one other last thing I suppose is this this is the sticker for one of the fans after we're done with all of our thermal testing this fell off it doesn't matter it's just the sticker on the back of the fan it's super oily so that would suggest that maybe there's a leak or there was too much oil on it the fan works fine it's still lubricated fine but it's a matter of oil getting on to the sticker and then no longer having adhesive properties which is okay but yeah Coolermaster if you're watching maybe look into that make sure it doesn't happen to a bunch of other ones that was really matter much just kind of ugly because we put blue Gaffa tape on there instead so yeah overall quickly recapping there are a few points we did improve already went over them none of them are deal breakers on the case as a case at $150 it's actually quite good now this is something that we would reasonably recommend buying there I hesitate because there are still really good alternatives but the thing is this has a pretty unique look you either love it or you hate it and that's not being cliche I mean it's it's 1980s transformer aesthetic if you like that it actually cools decently now so we have no problems with anyone buying it if you don't like it that's fine the pmo one is still one of the best case we've worked with the redline 0/6 both Silverstone cases redline zero six at a much cheaper price class if you can't afford this half the price is also quite good and in the same price bracket if you want something more silence focused be quiet has a couple of good options the dark bass 700 has really good build quality and good well.ok noise levels it's not great for a couple of other reasons and the fractal red lines or red line zero six the fractal define r6 is pretty good we reviewed that recently as well so if you don't like this one those are good alternatives we'd recommend I think the biggest takeaway here is Kohler Masters very strange way of dealing with criticism and again I want to be clear here with everyone I'm not whining that we didn't get a review sample I bought this I bought a three thousand dollar Titan V I'm not afraid of buying a case so it's not it's not complaining that we didn't get something for free it's just strange that the most vocal critic was cut off from communication I find that quite disturbing and toxic to the community because it builds an atmosphere where people are afraid to criticize products that's a really bad atmosphere to build so that's what I would criticize the most if I felt like it blonde in this video but I'll leave it there and let you think about it and perhaps we'll talk about it at a later time for now we'll leave it focused on the case it's good overall definitely vindicated good job coolermaster and team thank you for incorporating the feedback and whatever else you had in the pipe I'm sure we didn't give you all of it so credit where it's due decent job overall thanks for watching subscribe for more if you want to help us out make sure that we can keep buying stuff like this when people cut us off from samples you go to 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