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hey guys I'm joined by Gordon again hey and Gordon we just Oh sue and yes he just talked we were just kicked out of the Convention Center we were kicked out Taiwan yes they rolled the recycling bin over to pick us up it was right when you said that our content quality was good a trash bin came in the background as a microcosm for our actual content quality so we are back we talked to is Intel screwed last time and now I guess let's let's talk about this ray-tracing stuff okay before that this video is brought to you by Skillshare Skillshare makes it easy to learn skills and advance yourself professionally with classes available for just about everything we found the javascript toolkit class taught by christian Heilmann a senior developer at Microsoft to be of a notable interest for our audience the class is an intro on how to get started with JavaScript and cover skills you need to be marketable for web development school share costs $10 per month on an annual subscription or click the link in the description below for a 2 month free trial of Skillshare premium so Andy's got the rx 5700 series that we heard a lot about today and quick note this is being recorded before the prices are unveiled which will come up later I think so we don't actually know the prices right now and that means we're gonna have to do some speculation but rate racing stuff oh yeah so there the question is because they have essentially said in the next generation hardware we're going to do lighting effects that's right in hardware that's where it's going to intersect sounds me a lot a lot like hybrid ray-tracing and then they said after that just so we know we're recapping a news cloud version full full full range full rate racing in the cloud pod compute leveraging cloud compute so they obviously don't think you can do it poorly yeah locally yet and they said that too there was I don't have the exact quote I'll top my head right now but something along the lines of it's a mix of launching the right hardware for the right feature at the right time so obviously a little bit of shade at Nvidia there's definitely a lot of shade there's videos there's o'hara's a lot doing I yeah everybody was throwing shade yeah in Intel of course we're recording us in the past but on this very morning at this event Intel said hey if you're in town once you come over because they were throwing shade at AMD just right that's right I it's it's crazy the everybody is just like it's a food fight right now it's a firmer side right now who's winning well the perception battle I think AMD's winning right now and AMD is interesting because there's a baseline fanbase that no matter what Andy does it they're fine oh but that same crowd is now saying ray tracing is the way to go is the exact thing to go is that that no I I think that crowd is is steady like holding strong I and II can do no no wrong right that's a small subset of the market overall Andy's got the underdog card okay so that's an advantage Andy has the fact that Nvidia and Intel have been throwing rocks at AMD so that that makes them look a little better when they throw some back so I would say a perception battle and he is I mean they're there they were the only news at Computex yeah so definitely and though everything sorry we're getting off the rails here folks got Steve all throw ball blame me the body language you relied into body language if you go into these briefings we've done a lot of these and they're just kind of like hunched over and they just know these body blows are coming and we got this part coming out later this year then you know thank got it the body language here is like firing and also we're good all cylinders and you can just see they're just gonna come out and just it's right there they're launching the whole stack all at once - very pretty confident right of course now finally the APU or even the 16 core part the AP use here 12 core 12 or whatever X 570 PCIe 4 yeah and the GPU is coming out in July as well so that's that's a lot of stuff you know that in sorry again I wouldn't ask your opinion 50 motherboards he said we've got 50 X 570 mother yeah when is the last time we've seen in AMD where he had 50 motherboards hitting I think first rise and launch it was 12 was it yeah 12 I think it was 12 and then it was like maybe it was like 20 for the second one for I rise in the 2000 series I should say I don't know when I like do Intel launches I guess some of them have been 50-plus but yeah you need some big Intel launches over the years they have been big let me tell you about the original Athlon actually is it wasn't of an Athlon no Athlon k7 launch okay yeah k7 launch it was the fic SD 7 motherboard okay that was the that was the laundry hey seven I think is what PC / used to be named that yes yes but you know don't rub it into her but there were no motherboards and in fact four fic to do that launch of the original k7 board it was like one person ran out to see if they were gonna get smashed by the truck coming down the road which was Intel at the time and and this time you got 50 motherboards yeah it just sort of says the confidence that motherboard vendors have in this right yeah that's a big investment by all of them yeah I a sous alone is like 30 boards like they they're actually doing 30 at launch and there's more I TX now than previously first generalising was an ITX didn't come out till later in the year like late in the year send that launched in March so I would say the board vendors are very confident right now it's a big flip because back when rise and one was happening I think that the overall support from the motherboard manufacturers was pretty low for AMD yeah is you know they were their combative between them two but yeah and it was hard because the part wasn't we all know wasn't fully baked at lunch it got a lot better as things yes got especially by heard a little bit BIOS has been sure but it was it's a pretty hard launch this one feels like it's gonna be a lot smoother yes but rate racing though oh yes right actually you wanted you wanted to ask me you asked me about them other words I guess you had another question you want I want to ask you all right we're gonna get Steve get remember work this is in the past we're recording this on Sunday I won't know Steve from what you've seen worth radeon RX 5710 2060 competitor and the Radeon rx 5700 XT which is the twenty seventy competitor what are they get a price on that so the 5700 exit the twenty seventy we just looked up the pricing on and if it's correct I think every all the retailer's were between like 480 and 500 which is higher than I remember it I thought it was 400 yeah well we're out of touch yeah I I here's what I'm thinking it's gonna be hopefully the same price as 2070 that's my hope because I think it's doable because the dies smaller so it's significant I mean it's like 200 and something millimeters squared down from 400 something so diagonally smaller that reduces cost of time yields are better and then there's a leading edge process that's true so that up there that'll charge more counter bit and then the no HBM - yes saves a lot of money yes so I don't know I would like to see the same price I think in reality Andy could probably get away with launching $50 over if they wanted to really I think they could get away with it I think that's if I were to guess so you're saying assuming the performance is like head-to-head like a hundred percent of equal well definitely they're winning on power it looks like maybe thermals probably I mean from the things we were we've seen today we're not thermal blower card but with a like-for-like card maybe yeah but I I mean I feel like they're gonna go they gotta go lower I feel like 20 cent or 5700 XT is gonna be four to four or fifty or fifty would mean I feel like 5700 will be 350 I think here's here's the problem here's here's the problem I think NVIDIA has has abused us to a point has beaten us with the pricing on veils that now I just expect everything's $100 higher than it should be well that's that I think that's my my perception has been permanently damaged by the abuse of pricing from videos long now yeah that's that was the makeup but but you know that's fine I guess that's true X 570 pricier to that over X 470 yeah well the chipset is we actually we haven't revealed this publicly yet but I understand is the chipset is about two times higher costs about $40 cost BOM so so that's a lot of it and then $40 that's my understanding yeah and then PCIe gen 4 is expensive as well III can see that that would explain the cost of these things so I don't know that the video cards will follow that model because there's completely different product but yeah they can be differently though yeah I mean they fully alive a they fully expect these boards are gonna go into Intel machines right there's a lot of people are gonna be upgrading for Intel machines I just feel like they have to do it because clearly invidious got something super coming out right yeah so if they tried SGI refresh of the 2017 26 days those are the rumors right and then also faster memory pre overclocked memory so then if it comes out they're probably gonna want to push prices down hopefully yeah then if this is a 20 70 competitor you can't come out head-to-head with the 2070 that's fair yeah yeah that's that's a good sign because they I mean the whole crazy thing about this is it's a three-way fistfight between Intel AMD and NVIDIA they know that they're gonna get punched alright so yeah from which side what's up but then they have to go like okay we know they're gonna they're gonna Zig so we got a sag and then we have all I think I think keeping that in mind I forgotten about super because it is super forgetful they show it a render of a shroud that's so super on it for 16 the video is 16 seconds lon two of which were black frames at the front in the end ha oh this is somebody do some images and video analysis of it like frame-by-frame analysis I did okay yeah I don't know I think it's I'd forgot about super you raise a very good point so just my target woody I'm gonna say 450 XT okay and then I don't know what the 2060 cost right now but let's just say 30 bucks lower matters really no I'm just no it probably isn't that uh it's probably you know he knows it was like probably 350 at one point now they're back up again yeah reason yeah but you know the reason why is because ray tracing is good Steve AMD said they're gonna do ray tracing that's right so if that means me that means NVIDIA wanted right isn't that what that means I don't know yeah I I just hope this doesn't turn into a catfight over ray tracing eventually I mean it will yeah videos Nvidia is natural they always want to control things they just want it what proprietary we've done that's been their mo on just about every technology they rightfully paid for so they want to make it proprietary but it feels like they're gonna try to push I'm gonna give Nvidia some credit here for dominating the rate racing marketing to the extent that they've more or less created rate racing retro actively like it's it's really their marketing deserves a lot of credit I think on rate racing because now I am these in a position where it has to acknowledge it I was actually really surprised by that yeah I know because they have had to acknowledge it and if you you wonder if that was actually a mistake because they just sort of ignored it right they do the Intel thing this is what well we don't talk 16 cores we neither for that somebody got something like that but III if they just amaze it huh whatever it's not we're not worth the waste of resources right now what's ready but now sort of everybody goes oh well even named DS gonna do racing later on and future hardware does that make developers go okay we're gonna have it maybe and that's the interesting tooth thing to where I'll be curious to see how reviewer versus viewer or reader sentiment changes with these rx card launches because at the launch of RT x especially because no games were we're available with RT x yet the whole story was well this adds no value right this this is not something we care about you can't even use an anything I know we said that it didn't add a lot about any value at the time and I know a lot of viewer I felt the same way but over the last couple of months I've noticed that now when people talk about AMD they say but it doesn't have r-tx so when did that flip happen is that because games support it now or is it because nvidia controls that marketing language so well I you know it is really funny because I was surprised we did a Q&A with AMD and somebody asked that like really why are you asking about that I've already read and earnest as they hate it right so I was really shocked but that is an analyst asket journalist asked everybody's like well what are you gonna do ray tracing yeah I know and they did answer they have been they answered and now they sort of showed a little brother hand yeah and then when whatever the intel part that comes out it was like what you ain't got ray tracing they sorted they have controlled the narrative interests even though they've gotten beaten bloody over it but now everybody's like well you gotta have ray tracing and I'm the one of course I did say I do believe there is merit in going that path didn't say you have to buy the card I don't think it's best to let somebody else pay for it and then you get on when it's ready right that's the best way to do it you want to save money but for somebody else to pay for all the research that's awesome yeah I thank you for your service and money but I do think I'm just surprised that somehow yes the narrative has flipped and I don't know why why that is anger has subsided over each other it's like maybe it's just the internet contrary and then wary and video comes out with it people want to be contrary to it because screw around video I guess I don't know and then now and these coming out with something they they don't have RT X so is that is just like being contrary for sake of being contrary or is there a legitimate like I don't know what is that what is the legitimate market demand for RTX right now as a gamer like huh how about one you know more 1080 T eyes out there they're all gone right almost that same car drove all gone so what are you gonna buy I guess you'd go step down to a twenty seventy if you were gonna by 2080 you by 2070 cuz well I guess when I say what's the legitimate market for RTX I mean for race racing for the feature not for the hardware there isn't I mean you know you don't have to buy it I think it was it's probably been clear you don't have to necessarily buy it it's cool stuff somebody has to get it started chicken has have that egg doesn't mean you have to put your money down right but yeah no you don't you never have had to buy it necessarily what a but so I don't know understand why suddenly everybody justify it why does moving on so anyway I don't have my anti-static bracelet no I borrow this one we're gonna throw all the memes out there that's not all the memes that's right so all right so I guess basically the the andis statement was will do ray-tracing when it makes sense the raytracer put on a future but they did basically it sounded like we're at na'vi now and then at some point right sooner rather than later yeah I think so that was my takeaway I do wonder if that was a mistake you know to reveal that yeah I mean but I guess it shows you how much pressure they're under by everybody asking but I would just I would have thought they could have just ignored it successfully I mean yes if we look at it from Intel if this event were Intel's event and it were an Intel GPU launch I feel like if someone said where's ray tracing Intel would say what's what is that yeah next question or you know like the normal response of like we're not discussing yeah yeah that's your standard boilerplate but they were I think they could have commences taking the MV line this is you know what why why should we waste what are you gonna play right well quick are to to RTX but I mean you know I third there isn't a lot of title support for it do you think going back because of course you I think we're one of the real big pushes of 1080 ti4 yes at $500 or 650 was a held steal some 500 bucks 550 would you go back in time now if you could go if you were the average gamer would you have bought a 20 70 instead of a 10-8 if I could go back on time I would buy all of the 1080 T eyes I could afford and sell them right here 1080i is never gonna happen that card was amazing like from a performance for the dollar standpoint it sucks during the mining stuff it was really bad there but when it was like 700 bucks or when it came down later that's a lot of performance and it showed because the affiliate data we looked at had like 50 percent of all nvidia gpus sales from our viewers for a year of 2018 were 1080p eyes it was a steal right it was like you wanted to buy one just because it was so CH and I don't think they're gonna let that happen again Nvidia unless if AMD pressures them and they probably well or are people being unfair to aim at Nvidia though because people hopefully gave you the 20 80 hour 1080i and he made it 650 at launch right right but somehow I think there's a lot of unfairness to go around for all three companies and video gets a lot of it to be fair like because they're in the big position they they're very controlling and so that does get like some attention in the negative form yeah people the consumers especially yeah and I think we talked about earlier the same thing with Intel Rison is if you again we're recording this in the in the past on Sunday that part is just kick ass I mean it's okay I mean I've got to review it and all that stuff they sure work but on paper what they said it's awesome it's just like pure ore it's very promising yeah and then it's clear to me they're sandbagging their performance numbers up till now yeah and Intel doesn't know the punch that's coming from this part right and then we're gonna it'll be funny because people will see this in the in the past or in the future I can't time travel and they're gonna see that and this hook oh my god this is just an awesome thing right where the hell is like going with us so and I'm like well why do people like to see Intel fail why do they like to see in video fail no I think they share one thing in common which is that they're number one in their space and I wrote will relay this to you as a warriors fan it is Sunday they play tomorrow possibly the last game of the season God willing it isn't but if tomorrow on Monday they lose to the Raptors I don't care what you say Kaitlyn a name dear Peter at AMD they're from Toronto I don't care if they lose the entire country except for San Francisco Bay Area we'll be celebrating that everybody just loves to see people so we've been so successful failed okay I was gonna say so is that it that's a successful team that they've dominated they've been everybody has been they've been kicking everybody's team's butts last five years so everyone wants to see them lose because then you get get a nice underdog story right you get the inner dog story but people just it's the whole you know schadenfreude the people just yeah they don't want to just see you lose they want to see like as your bus is leaving you get two flat tires and then run over by them on your face like everybody fart on is I mean he's just want like you want to suffer but not you know not gonna get more you want to like in it like a cool way back and then you're and then your plane breaks down and you're stuck in Toronto Airport for eight hours just like watching all the news and watching all these Raptors fans so but that's what people want to do because Intel and NVIDIA have been but picking now for ten years so and these the rafters I guess you could say that they are they have that Canadian 8ci part but the people just want to see I don't even think again people don't have been support the Raptors they just don't want the Warriors you know door I really appreciate your analogies in these videos last time it was you he related throughout Ripper to idling and an f250 with or driving on a highway with an f250 of the windows down that was and they all kind of showing off that's right but nothing wrong with that if that's you paid for the car you wouldn't pay for the gas that's that's your decision that's that's and that relates back to computer hardware in some way so the answer then to the question that nobody asked including us I think was rate racing doesn't matter that AMD doesn't have it for the RX with the seventh it doesn't they don't have to have it and I don't think it matters and I you know I I read agree with and I think Rache RC is great I think it's the right step but people should not you know give AMD grief for that and I I think they could have just ignored it honestly yeah it was like it and of course check back for the actual benchmarks Gordon at PC world will link them below sorry we always go off the on the tangent you want to see me drive it's very similar to that my wife says so I think that's why people like these videos yeah hopefully don't know where it's gonna go next yeah for sure table yeah that's what Steve Ballmer stuff all right thank you for watching Gordon thank you for joining me okay see you all next time