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start streaming okay theoretically we are live find out momentarily who wants to chat shows up I think we're only on a couple second delay so we should find out quickly are we here it I think we are live hopefully we are this is our first attempt at a live stream hopefully some of you start showing up and you can let me know if the setup is working for you I'm going to go ahead and share this link everywhere so give me a second okay people are starting to pop in alright cool before we get to preview please as I'm talking post and chat let me know if there any major issues audio/video that we need to resolve think we got it all on the side general though we did a sneak preview over there on the tiny side channel and a couple people we're lucky enough to be our guinea pigs for a moment so thank you for that today we are going to be taking this apart this is an old cooler master cooler it came with who's holding the camera your cat snowflake is in fact holding the camera she's been I don't know if that's a lateral move for her in the company but seems like a step down from senior and the analyst but a step up from her previous position of shipping and receiving so yes so what we are doing is dismantling this this cooler I believe it's a site on it came with my AMD 9000 series CPU about years ago so before we start really working on AMD CPUs with the company directly I bought a 95 90 I want to say or 93 70 I think it was 95 90 my intention with that was to get some experience with AMD's high-end at the time and it came with one of these now this has been through a lot of abuse it's still got some dust in the radiator and what I'm gonna do is take it apart and see if there is still liquid in there because one thing I don't actually know right now is if it has fully permeated or not because in theory the reason this thing failed is because the liquid permeated the tubes that's what I want to find out so we're gonna do is open it pour it into a bucket see how much liquid is left in there and if it's not much then we know why the pump failed if there is the liquid then I don't know we'll figure it out as we go so okay I'm gonna check chat for a minute and see if everything looks good cuz again this is our first live stream thank you for being here ten minutes until start yeah we start a bit earlier than scheduled sorry I don't see anyone complaining about audio/video so I think we are good cool maybe a little overexposed some commentary about exposure and white balance we can look at that okay I think we're okay overall though but please let me know if there's anything major otherwise I think we are rolling video quality's good people are saying okay sweet well thank you for joining so our plan with this couple couple housekeeping things we don't plan on doing a weekly scheduled livestream right now my current plan is basically as I run into things where I'm like I need to take this thing apart we'll just try and post a tweet and say tune in and about an hour tune in a couple hours and we'll tear this thing down live that's the plan not planning on doing any kind of weekly news show or anything like that right now there are a lot of those and I like our short news video format for that and the plan is to interact with chat a bit more so that will make it kind of fun but yeah other than that before getting into the teardown this is brought to you by Thermaltake and their core g21 chassis I think there there is there's a link into the in the description I'm ahead of of the curve here today so link in the description below if you're interested in that it has tempered glass on both sides I think it's a $70 case so it is a budget tempered glass case with SLI tempered glass panels alright let's let's go ahead and get started with this there's a half second delay for audio someone says that anyone else see that is my question to you what we're going to do is I guess we'll start with removing the the mounting bracket here which is just Philips head and then there's some weird triangle style screws on there as well and slow mode is on yes that is correct slow mode is on just so that I can make sure I can keep up because I'm the only one moderating right now all right so let's take this apart I think we're gonna start with these screws and then move on to the triangle screws the outer ones are just Phillips heads and have you used the ek WBA 240g yet I have it I have not used it I need to and I'm planning to soon we have some stuff in testing right now that I can't talk about yet but once all that's done I'm planning to move on to some of the new ek stuff and do some noise noise normalize testing like 40 DB a noise normalized and then for those of you who are our patreon backers in discord you know who you are if you guys wouldn't mind doing an at Steve and tagging me if there's anything that I really need to know about with this stream and pay attention to or if there any important questions things like that please do that because I'll see that in discord pretty easily alright so that was easy that's the mounting bracket I want to go ahead and take this off and get on the triangle bit where's the triangle bit there's one of them let's see what size that is okay so is actually that might be the right size I don't know that I've gotten a chance to use these oh yeah there's a fill port on the top yes okay so that is third size what is this this is a two millimeter okay so that's two millimeter for the triangle I am curious about the fill port actually I'm kind of tempted to just like punch that in and drain it I don't know okay chat chat should vote you guys want me to just pull this thing out where it says warranty void when removed which I actually pushed it in a little earlier and it's clearly like a fill port or should we just remove the cold plate and go through that way the old-fashioned way that's what I want to know other than that what else do we have here we've got a dirty radiator protruding copper plate this design is not really used anymore and punch it through a drain it drain it what mike are using we are on a son Heiser g3 we use it for our it's a wireless setup we used for conventions drain a drain the drain it smash it open it who needs warranty punch it drain it okay I think got the point okay I got it all right thank you let's get the disclaimer face in the camera I don't know how this actually comes out to be honest with you does it twist off I don't think it twists off never I'll be honest guys I've never worked with this site on Kuler enough to know anything about it so you're gonna see live me probably just punching a hole in it it's a screw underneath it and a fill port kinda tempted to just say oh actually is this covering anything important they like to cover stuff with these nope no hidden secrets yes no food so that is stuck on there that's not that's not a screw Ralph that's enough food alright you know I'm not gonna reuse this and if I do I'll cover it with tape let me just I'm gonna poke at this I really don't care if it breaks what happened if we just kind of push that's not gonna go in pry the cap off yeah we can try that let's try prying the cap off what do I have for baby crying tools look at this give this a shot screw underneath and a fill port rubber insert removed from the top okay so do we remove it from this part or do we like fish it out from here and hear your discord sounds oh really sorry about that I fixed that how do I let s-- just mute discord it would be nice if their volume mixer I was gonna say it'd be nice if Microsoft could not change their interface alright so that should fix the discord sounds who's ready in discord yeah I think we fixed it let me know if it's not all right so do we fish it out keeping in mind that I don't care if it breaks off the cab yeah I feel like the caps gotta come off somebody at all I don't know how to release it you know I'm gonna think we're gonna go ahead and go through the Coldplay because I'm not 100% positive and I don't want to go too crazy to ham on this right now pull it up you yeah I can't grab me the what we have over there that I can use can you grab me the red pliers and the gray crappy pliers how old is it it's as old as the 95 90 when did the 95 90 come out yeah use pliers they say let's destroy the caps they say why not there's actually metal under there I'm not gonna drink the liquid there might not be much in there it's propylene glycol it should be technically fairly safe you still don't really want to drink it reciprocating saw all right I'm gonna I'm gonna do this my way reciprocating saw before anyone complains that there's camera shake it's the table and we need to fix that at some point it's actually the easiest so for her cold plate that I've worked on those are the 9000 series that was someone said yes it was the 95 90 what does that FX series which this died so anyone tuning in now we're taking this apart because the pump that I had set up in my my main daily system has now died three times three different pumps a silverstone tundra which is made by a politic two of these made by Cooler Master I think they're just overheating the liquid temperature was getting too hot from that FX processor because it's a 220 watt unit the airflow is not great in there I ended up fixing it so it's it's resolved now but we're going to take this apart and see if when they fail is it a result of the a result of the permeation trying to read chat while doing this at the same time if you can put on streamer mode on your discord it'll stop those discord notifications stop I think they did yes I thought it was a rubber insert but uh I wasn't having too much luck with it and I don't feel like spending a bunch of time looking it over and I've done it this way before so we're gonna go this route the good so there's two approaches to this one if we can get this thing apart without destroying it which I don't normally care too much about we can actually attempt to refill it just out of curiosity I wouldn't use it but we could refill it this is oh we got one of those donation things cause I think you're the first one to ever do that is that Ryan Ryan says this is for snowflake get a can of Fancy Feast on me dog snowflake is not going to appreciate the dog sentiment of that but I will do so shoutout to the cameraman yeah we thought that was kind of cool so Andrews met Andrew is manning the camera he does the video and editing work normally but we thought it'd be kind of neat to do that for a live stream just for something different yeah there's a lot of screws sorry tomorrow we're almost there this is why you guys watch the edited versions this would be done in like three seconds and I don't have the best driver for this right now but it's the only one I had a bit for so because so weird triangle bit to millimeter by triangle bit what do you think about flashing by us on a 1080i to get more performance well what kind of BIOS flash are you looking to do hang on one sec I need to actually pay attention to this for a second are we gonna leak if I flip it over yes definitely we will I will try to get back to the Oh try and get back to the BIOS flashing question alright I should have gotten more paper towels than we did this green so how much fluid is still in it there's actually quite a bit this thing might might not have permeated all that much it sounds like it sounds like a bathroom break it sounds like you forgot to turn the mic off alright so despite being green and looking like something spider-man would drink this is theoretically propylene glycol there a couple different types for the adblock but I can't get a shirt right now thank you for that I'll try and check the other question once I get my hands away from this liquid okay all right so I think I can set this aside for a second we're still kind of bubbling at the top let me put that down for a second wipe that off elsewhere and try and get back to this question oh hello from Switzerland well thank you much appreciate it okay so yes we've gotten rid of the green coolant those of you who have watched our tear downs of coolers before you already know the deal it's a propylene glycol this is so this is two parts this is a part distilled water trying not to get it in my hair part distilled water and then basically the the way the manufacturers do this we describe this an hour how do liquid coolers work video the reason they do propylene glycol is well there's a few reasons one of them is it helps with storage so a certain amount of propylene glycol is dictated by the manufacturer not the supplier so NZXT or Coursera or EVGA might go to something like a ZOTAC or cool it and say we want 20% mixture or we want 40% mixture with the other sixty being distilled water and the reason we want that is because we're trying to target storage in a minus 20 or minus 40 environment Celsius and that's part of the reason another part of the reason is just because it happens to do better in a liquid cooler where your cooling something very hot expansion properties are a bit different these tanks actually aren't filled to the brim we were kind of talking about that in one of the Vega videos is the liquid dangerous I am NOT going to commit to an answer to that because I don't drink it I think so theoretically if you look up propylene glycol and Wikipedia I think it is supposed to be safer than some of the other types of glycol coolant but I still wouldn't drink it it's not gonna well I'm not gonna commit to any answers on safety Ron's dream so yeah don't drink it it's not water though so it's not just like pure water it's a distilled water and glycol and that helps with a lot of things it changes the boiling temperature to the way they seal this and all that stuff so liquid temperature for these coolers tends to be about 60 C target that's what a stack targets this is not a stack cooler this I believe was one of the last site on coolers before cm was kind of sued out of using them by ASA Tech at least in the US but 60 C is about what the liquid temp can be so you could have a CPU let's say you did a really kind of worst case scenario and you ran something like a to 80 millimeter kraken X 62 I'm saying this because I've done this and you forgot to plug in the pump or something what might happen is your CPU sitting there at 99 C throttling itself the liquid temperature even though the CPU is at 99 there's still gonna be a big Delta there might be in the 70s now that's still way over spec which is 60 on that particular cooler and eventually you have concern of boiling inside of the system or of permeation or things like that and the pump is not well if the pumps not moving to test matter but the pump needs the liquid to be cool to be lubricated anyway so let me catch up on chat here anything I need to see ten dollars to do more videos like Rx Vega and 1080i hybrid we are absolutely planning to do more of those thank you for that yeah we have some pretty cool content coming up I've been working on some special benchmarking today that help you live this week we have benchmarking it from yes we will leave the stream up we have benchmark beaten from some unreleased and housed products as well it is not so it's not ethylene glycol there are two types propylene glycol is normally what's used and it is definitely used in the a is tech coolers you're correct I'm not positive what's used in this coolermaster one but generally speaking the haze attack ones which dominate the market do use propylene glycol not ethylene it is a bit safer and they can get away with using it for this type of application Asian Wow everyone here just lost the game I don't think I've seen that in a very long time but damn alright so that's that's part of it I don't really know what to do with this we're gonna look at the cold plate and some other stuff in a moment though once I get this reasonably uh we might need some better solution than this but what do I put this put this on the floor don't step on it oh yeah go fishin I've read that boss the game thing everyone's complaining that they lost the game okay all right so what's next cooler or a cold plate maybe okay all right sorry for the pauses I'm trying to keep up with the super chat stuff okay so this is the cold plate you've seen them before in our videos if you haven't welcome to a cold plate this one's a bit different than traditionally so you can see at the edges cooler masters supplier for the cold plate has sort of bowed it out and normally they are flat these days so the manufacturers used to do there are two types of cold plates there was a perfectly flat one then there was one with a very slight indent it was concave very very slightly you'd have to take a laser to it to see the difference and the reason they did that was because if you're cooling on an IHS there's a slight curve to an IHS so theoretically your cooling is gonna be better if your cold plate matches that curvature this has actually been stopped they don't really do that anymore but that was a thought then the GPU plates were flat on the bottom so this part down here they're perfectly flat and that's because well GPU is pretty much exposed with no IHS so you take better contact with a flat plate now they've all basically replaced it with just a flat plate period and there is no more no more curvature on the the mainstream coolers these days that I'm aware of so internally these are micro fins if you are not familiar with them the little copper fins here are called micro fins the way these work is well there's a few things one the liquid comes in one side and goes through the other sometimes they have a rubber gasket on here or a split flow setup and you can learn about split flow and the and what the gasket does an hour how liquid coolers work video maybe someone can link that in chat for me but the liquid flows through you've got the fins to add surface area so it helps sync the heat into a larger surface area spreads it out just like a heat spreader would liquid comes through and whisks it away into the rest of the cooler to be dissipated by the fan on the radiator now the two things here to be pay attention to the fin density determines kind of how well these can actually deal with that the the thermal issues coming from the CPU so finding city is one thing that's how tightly packed these are together another aspect is the thin pitch so that's the angle of the fins some manufacturers don't do it straight ninety degree like this one does see if I can get there you go so that shows like you can see it straight is standing straight up so thin pitch is nothing special here sometimes they change it though and now the reason you don't just pack these in as tight as possible because you're also concerned about impedance so impedance of the liquid is a problem where the more you pack these in you may end up with a case where you're actually hurting the cooling potential more than your help in it and that's just gonna be because of well because the liquid can't really get through well enough so I think that explains those pretty well there's actually a rubber gasket around here around the edge this is to help stop liquid from leaking out and then we've got foam padding over here which is probably and I'm not positive because I don't tear coolermaster units apart generally this is just to force the flow through a certain area coming back to 1080i question to improve performance yeah let's do a couple reader questions for a moment then we'll come back to the cooler so the question was a while ago I think it was should i flash bios on a 1080i to improve performance flashing bios on any card your if it's a non custom bios first of all be aware that you can break your card normal disclaimer all of that you might want to flash it for example to increase your power limit you could certainly do that on some cards increasing the power limit would potentially give you more Headroom if you are power limited on your overclock you can flash it with a custom bios that's been tuned by someone else for your card which may do something like under volt in or something like that is it worth it depends on your card and what BIOS exists out there for it or if you have to make your own you use a hex editor and dive into some of the settings yourself that we've been doing that lately are there any other major questions here I'm learning I'm learning super chat I think we've gotten through all of them am I missing anything congratulations on 150 thousand subscribers in your first live stream thank you yes oh geez ADA 50 bucks yeah first live stream I guess I could have said something about this being 450 thousands of subscribers we're pretty excited about it I mean I'm just using a razor ripsaw right now is pretty cheap to set up we're plugging it into our camera that we just bought we have video about the new camera it's a UX 180 and it's working pretty well we're plugged into a bench I threw together is not a permanent streaming machine it's just an i-9 7900 X and because I was testing it and that's got a Quadro card in it just because it's quiet and then some other stuff but yeah that's what we're set up to let me get one more question then look at this cooler some more we ever do a video showing what happens if he is kalium based liquid metal on an aluminum cooler or mixing copper and aluminum over time I would love to I don't know the best way to do it right now I'd have to think about that I do I am planning to do some stuff with liquid metal soon I can't commit to a timeline on it we have a lot of products we're reviewing right now keep an eye out I don't think we're gonna do mixing metals yet it is something I'm interested in just to show like a practical here's what happens if you do it and here's how long it takes okay so alright I'm gonna stop reading those for a moment let's get back to the radiator so a pretty standard setup here you've got a radiator with tubes these tubes are there are two types of tubes there's a rubber tube and then there's a more plastic rigid two of which you can just I mean you can feel the thing and tell the difference and these plastic tubes that cm and other people use have a Teflon inner coating in them more or less and that coating helps with permeation is highly resistant to permeation which may explain why so much the liquid is still in there though I don't know if it was enough and the only downside to that Teflon coating is if you start really bending this thing like kink it like a hose it will crack and if that tap on coating cracks you start having all kinds of new problems so that's their design choice here is to use the teflon inner coated plastic tube some people use the rubber tubes down this hole I don't know can we get a shot of that there's the impeller is down there and can you see that maybe maybe a little bit need to focus there there we go so that blade down there is the impeller I don't think I'm gonna be able to poke at it we'll take it apart that's what maybes you liquid around and then there's you're in and you're out basically as I understand with this cooler right now so keep an eye on superjet okay alright what else can we look at here how do we take this part off of the other part is there an easy way to do so it looks like there's some so there's little see that right there these little clamps these are just for the bracket these are on the a so tech colors as well but they're more exposed so we can push let's try pushing these in and see if it just separates that would be nice and easy push oh I just pop the background - goodness okay so one please one my hands are like coated in that stuff still there we go see it's starting to separate where's our next one and over here you're still okay that's looking better okay next I see the PCB I look at chat in a second guys alright so we are obviously dismantled Item had 4k I don't think we have the upload to support that sorry we do have the equipment to do it I'll get that Google Fiber when it comes in alright so let's take a look Stream buffering sorry about that so what we have here is solve this you've seen before if so it's a little bit different here but not too much there's your pump cap it's obviously the cap of the pump goes on top right there and underneath it just a piece plastic underneath it there is so we've got our pump motor right here and then the PCB which the PCB is generally it's got some firmware on it I don't think this cooler was updatable by firmware at least not by the user and they probably wouldn't do it service like and service either but the newer coolers that aren't ancient like this one by cooler standards have firmware on them that you can normally update or have service update and that includes things like pump speed adjustments for example or lighting adjustments if you have an RGB cooler I'm tempted to just start unscrewing that let's see what else is on there power cable over here and then this is really not that complex alright any different bit yeah it makes the motor spin I know you got the idea that impellers below it alright let's just see if we can get the impeller out it's kind of kind of difficult to work with while also showing it to the camera but work with me here I just watched the MSI bloatware video yeah that was a fun one I don't think much has changed unfortunately but we're looking at some more laptops I think that Nvidia max-q might look into bloatware as part of their requirements okay so we freed the cable what else is in here what's holding us in nothing okay cool trying to read chat alright so we got that out and we have exposed some dust we have exposed the rest of the plastic part portion of the cooler impellers still in there this is actually impeller housing so if we can get access in there we'll be able to pull the impeller out it's it's just I think three or four fins that's been nothing that's special really and there's the electromagnet for the motor and then what else do we have does this separate I don't know that the separates I don't think this separates that easily if it does I kind of want to get the tubes off the barbs but I don't know the best way to do that it's my first time working with a cooler master cooler normally we do a stacker cool it oh this is nice though I'll point this out I wish I wish more than would do this nothing there's much function to it they do have an in and an out indicator arrow so that's nice a real reason but they do it we're still leaking fluid can you lock the camera position for a second and get me something to set that up if you want to do your drooping if you want to grab mm-hmm just a hand out like one of the and owls it'll probably work better alright and just grabbing something to help me out with this because we ran through all of our of our napkins and veins already the CM have their own unique pump so this is an older cooler it's changed since then the newer CM stuff like the master liquid I haven't really looked at lately but they do have their own pump design they make their own unlike a lot of the companies where it's either a Sutekh or it's what else is there a politic they're a lesser known one they make the Leppa coolers if anyone knows Leppa AKA under Max's sub brand so a pol tech makes them ap alte K and then ASA tech is the big one cool it his another semi a fairly big one they're pretty big pool it neighs the tech both work on core share stuff and then who else is there a couple Dino Tron Dino Tron makes or made the antec 1250 and the other older antic coolers so those were the ones that had the the pump mounted on the fan that was Dyna Tron they made those to get around the ASA tech patent which is kind of interesting that's been an ongoing issue in the industry um oh I just clap since the mic sorry so the patent more or less states that the pump can't be on the cold plate or in the same block so Dyna Tron and an tech work together to move the pump to the fan which is an interesting design but there's a lot of problems with that one you can't replace the pants which a lot of people do and you start running we're dropping flank frames someone says I'm seeing 0.1% drops frames I'll keep an eye on it if anyone sees more of those please let me know so yeah Dyna Tron and an tech works on that solution cool it does some Corsair coolers they're pretty well known as in the industry as well and then the rest is all is all just going to be smaller brands that either do things like the Silverstone tundra or the Leppa lick Max and lick tacky coolers just like it probably work on those names so yeah I think that walks you through most of those we'd be making a video on bios flashing I do want to well if you're talking video BIOS the answer is I would like to do something like that because it's relevant right now with Vega we're trying to figure out how to work with the BIOS there's really two methods you can couple of Raspberry Pi and dude externally and it's not necessarily the easiest thing to do or figure out where you can get a solver to love flash it so if we can figure out how to flash EFI then the plan is to hex edit the BIOS that's on there increase the power limit flash it but like I said before I'm not promising that because I don't think we're gonna be able to do it right now unless we can get the last we can get the tool from an AIB partner or something so I think that's pretty much the cooler I don't really know the bottom of it that's that's really all there is to it though so yeah pretty fun thank you for joining for this one I'll hang out for a minute and we'll talk in chat for a quick announcement we have our new shirts live this is one of them so this is a try blend we also have cotton it's the design and you just came up with it's basically a teardown or explosion view of the GM logo does not come with the lavell ear mic and it's it's kind of cool it's got some like PCI Express slot stuff on there down the bottom corner it's got vrm components it has blower fans all that stuff and then I also have where's that gray shirt where do we put that one we also have a grey shirt design thank you so then we have the grey shirt here which is gonna have to be washed now because it's got propylene glycol on it but yeah pretty cool stuff so those around the story and go to gamers Nexus dot squarespace.com to pick those up link is in the description as well alright so let's go through some questions while I'm here while I well I have everyone for our first livestream ignoring the cooler for a moment how much coolant was in the cooler you know that's a good question that I kind of want to pour it into pour it into let just measure it measuring cup or didn't see how many milliliters we have I actually don't know thank you disturbed medic glad to hear no dropped frames so that's what came out of it though if you missed their earlier part of the stream it looks toxic you probably shouldn't drink it but it's also not radioactive waste there is some dirt in there which really isn't supposed to be in there but some of that I think is from me screwing around with the pump the fill cap earlier and not really really committing to removing it properly next question hello any chance of you guys getting a look at Enterprise version of ASA tech products you know that's a really interesting question I could do it we could we'd probably get some in I've really thought about it to be honest we could definitely get some in though what else is in here next question oh they they don't have shirts for his fat people someone says I think we did up to 4x if they're not in stock then I'll make sure we can get stuff back in stock any plans concerning the horizon multi-threading content a.k yes so the answer that is yes we did some streaming tests with thine eyne CPU and it was a learning experience I was the first time done streaming benchmarks I want to do more of them I'm again left wondering what to do with this I want to do more of them and we are doing more of them right now but that content will be up this week so stay tuned for that it's it's closer than then you would think we are just focusing on gaming and streaming right now for those multitasking workloads I'm not introducing anything like 100 chrome tabs I know it's a bit hyperbolic but not really working with chrome tabs or watching video playback or anything right now it's just going to be live stream while gaming because those two things are pretty common they are very easy to replicate and automate to some extent and so that reduces a lot of the test variance concerns but I'll look in tomorrow any other questions that are tagging me that's what I'm looking for right now go and review the six core first gen AI 7 or Xeon x 5650 you know we got a lot of requests for that and I am I am not sure if we will or not it's it's an interesting idea we we're so slammed right now with like with some Rison follow-up stuff with planning for thread Ripper with planning for our expand tree promise that right now if someone suggested hook the pomp up and see if it works that's kind of an adjust to see it spin I guess probably start spewing coolant everywhere but we could try it I need a 5 X shirt okay I will ask them to add that in the next print run you know it's has some of the really small form-factor cards half-height please any specific requests on those how often do you think you guys will be able to livestream I don't think I I said at the beginning so at the beginning of the stream I was basically saying we're not planning a scheduled stream we're not planning to like weekly news show or anything like that there are a ton of those out there people do a good job of it already my plans are basically when I'm taking something apart anyway either for work or for curiosity will try and throw on a stream hopefully announce it a couple hours in advance if not a day in advance oh man everyone's tagging me now but that's the plan for the stream going forwards basically kind of ad hoc do it live style and we'll let you know in advance if we know in advance otherwise we're sticking to the standard weekly news format for the news videos there's a stream today's content for the channel yes it is we will have a separate video for another day but this is the content for today please make sure your snow yes I don't worry I will make sure it's no flip snowflake will not get near the coolant it is going straight out received the rise on our three yet cannot discuss may my AIO just died and spilled into my power supply yikes what should I do first who should I contact I'm gonna say the CLC maker tell them the issue hopefully they'll cover the cost of whatever other components died I don't think the power supply that's really not in the power supply manufacturers territory how did you tell the AI Oh died all these times that it kill any hardware or did he get lucky so I just knew because the CB temperature started spiking really hard Windows performance was so bad that when it really finely would died I couldn't drag Windows around at anything more than a couple FPS so that's how I know CP temperature spiked like crazy do you think Intel will begin soldering their CPUs with all the flak they've gotten I'm not sure here's what I have to say about that so there is a reasonable amount of flack to send Intel's away for not soldering their CPUs we talked about that when we deleted the Center 900 X at Computex and I hope that as people make more noise and reviewers make more noise Intel will start thinking maybe we should do something about this but it's also a slow process so they might already be in the gear of changing things but we're not gonna see that as changes reflected in products for a long time yet takes a while to roll that tooling out and they don't have a new product right now other than the stuff that just shipped so I hope that it's something they're considering I would hope that making noise means it will be considered I would also encourage remaining like civil and level-headed in it and not just sending hate at their Twitter account because the PR person is not gonna forward it along but yeah that's all I really have to say with that a second a vid on the best cooling method for nvme SSDs Isis Ark some people about that those are tricky to cool in the middle of a PC bill most the components C via cooler but ready but no mounting kit for a m4 yet can I boot into BIOS by pushing the a IO to the CPU manually the answer is yes just don't I mean they take a lot of force to really adequately cool so just be careful if you do that I don't know do you really have a reason to do that as the question or can you just wait a day if if you can't just wait a day then I guess you could do it who is this guy okay isn't no solder good though because it makes deal it in easier well I think the idea there yeah deal it is easier I think the idea is that you wouldn't do it if it's soldered or at least most people would perform should be a bit better so I think that's kind of what that comes down to thank you for the support I love your channel from lonely hacker thank you for the support to you for the upcoming ek a 240g testing I need trustworthy numbers yes we are trying to work on those okay so I've gone through a couple of these I'll keep an eye out for a couple more there's a coolant in the AI Oh any good or does it clog the fins over time this one I don't know I can't I couldn't tell you I don't think it clogged anything I'd have to like really dig into it cut it open to know generally that stuff comes with like a biocide and that should help with with some issues and then it also is propylene glycol that shouldn't clogged veins now there is stuff that clogs like there's some open-loop coolant that's clogged on the market and it just kind of creates a sediment but you don't normally see that in a iOS or CLC's as I call them what is the new camera again it is a Panasonic u X 180 we have a video on the channel talking about it so that's all should be public if you search for new camera on the channel I think you'll find it I'm gonna take I'm gonna take three more all right so three more have you done the cooler dissection yet yes I'm sorry this is what's left of it that's the cold plate and I think the DVR is enabled for this so you should be able to go back and watch this is the rest of the the pump housing and some gaskets and things like that pump cap pump plate impellers in there and yeah that's all there is left of it really okay the next question will there be a whole new lineup of thread river coolers I guess yeah we'll be interested to see the differences the answer is yes there will be new thread river coolers that's not I don't think that's a secret I think everyone pretty much knows that the question of that though is well the plates look like this or are they going to widen them and I think some of the manufacturers at least are going to be going with a more standard circular cold plate like this that might not cover or contact the entire IHS whether or not that matters remains to be seen the thing with that is in theory you don't need to touch the whole IHS with the cold plate because in theory the dye is only occupying part of that space so as long as you have contact directly over the die area then it should cool reasonably well until we actually test it though I can't tell you if contacting the entire IHS with a fat or cold plate which would have to be customized for thread Ripper and would increase the price I can't tell you right now today if that's gonna be better I would think it would be but how much is the question is it worth the extra cost because it will cost more to make a bigger version of this since all the manufacturers already buy their cold plate supply with the designs you all know about so will there be a new design probably someone will do one will it matter I'll try and find out and let you know okay let's take one more okay I'll take two more this one says are there more thread rescues than the two that have been confirmed ten core 20 threads perhaps I don't I think I like to have been officially confirmed okay do we have any more I think that's most questions hey I have a question does x29 hind suck the hard answer to that does it suck is no the more complex question is in what ways does it suck or in what ways is it insufficient if we're going to be more correct X 299 isn't a bad like the CPUs have a 900 X is not a bad CPU but some of its things like the thermal concerns the power concerns which we've been testing power by the way I overclocked one to four point five gigahertz with a V ID of 1.15 7900 X I think we were drawing at the PCIe or at the EPS 12-volt cables I think we were drawing I want to say 20 amps by twelve point three volts so what is that does that come out to 2246 watts and then stock I think we were drawing like what was stock it I want to say was 15 under a prime workload which is a pretty heavy workload peasant is about 15 understand a bench as well twelve point three that's so we're at like 180 watt stock out of box which is higher than the TDP a TDP is not power drop but it they're normally pretty closely tied so it is higher than that so yeah it's x-29 highest problems for sure it's not the worst thing in the world but Intel has a lot that they need to fix like thermals and ideally power motherboards could have some improvement if you buy it just like anything else just research it see if if it's something you can fix for your needs or if there's a better all about their thread refers not to terribly far away and theory SIGGRAPH I think is coming up it would be reasonable to assume that there would be some kind of discussion there we already know all right so Vega will be discussed there so keep an eye out for that maybe we can see how a competition looks yeah that's a kind of a nice interesting question to when approaching vendors for review units what metrics do you emphasize to soften the blow of a shitty ROI I'm not positive what that means so when we approach vendor these days the vendors approach us if I ask for a review unit I basically say here's the testing I want to do I think it's pretty cool I haven't seen other reviewers do XYZ we want to do XYZ what do you think and they'll probably say that sounds cool let's do it and then we work together test it if I run into issues or find major flaws I'll communicate with them and say this is a major flaw can you guys see if it's happening on your end if it's not could you send me another unit make sure it's not defective if that's not the problem then let's see if you have a statement for me to publish alongside the critical aspect of the review so that people know you're theoretically trying to work on the problem that's how the review process goes and then will you be attending ok I can't talk about some of these things thought on the upcoming Elmer's igloo discussion the merger between AMD and Homer Scalia I guess that's an in common to Intel did you see that Intel's server slide they put out they said and their chips aren't held together with glue like AMD's are yeah that was probably not the greatest PR move okay all right thank you for watching guys this is the first livestream we've done I had a lot of Q&A in there the cooler teardown went faster than I expected we did not use a drill this time which I also expected to need so yeah thank you for watching tune in tomorrow for our regular content if not on the channel at least on the website gamers nexus net you can check out our new shirts at gamers Nexus squarespace.com there's a link in the description below we have teal we gray cotton and tri-blend versions of the shirts and subscribe for more as always we're gonna try and do these semi regularly with no fixed schedule as of now that may change but not today and last one have you commented on the intel slides I think I just did thank you for watching I'll see you all next time I guess I guess I actually have to end the stream it doesn't anybody turning the camera off I'll see you all next time