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are we live I think we might be live we didn't test this time we're just kind of just kind of go on live so we are going to be revisiting undervolt in an overclocking with vega 56 today two different things from last time this time we have the hybrid modding and we've also got the new drivers which I think are called 18.1 so 18.1 should theoretically be better for under both in an overclocking from what we've seen so far and I think that might have more of an impact this time than our previous stream where the drivers were still pretty new and and weren't fully functioning so I think we're good to go and Chad is tiny yes we are we are alive so I here's what we've got set up maybe Andrew can show some of it first of all we've got the Radeon Settings stuff I can also use wot tool and stuff like that but we're gonna focus on Radeon settings because I mean they got a driver push so I'd like to see if it works properly fire strike is right here we might use some other stuff as well we have a phone old phone setup that's being used as a tool for reading wirelessly from our current clamp which is today doubling as a volt or a digital multimeter so right now we're reading apps coming out of the 12 volt cables going to the video card this is a thermocouple reader and it's got two readings on only one of them is really relevant the top one so that top number is going to be the we're getting drop frame so let me see if I can fix that let's fix the drop frames okay we're going down to let's go to change the stream encoding to very fast really shouldn't be on the CPU side let's go down to 8 megabits 8000 apply okay all right let me know if that fixed it CPU 20% ok CPU should be handling it all right how's it going how's how's it looking now so we oh by the way I just got a notice today that's a Google Fiber will be available now to this location so if this is a problem today it's not gonna be a problem the future we're not using we're using a 7900 x2 stream actually so the CPUs really should be fine should just be the Internet at this point I think we're good though is it OBS is Tommy we're good at this point we're not dropping frames anywhere we drop 27% of they might start ok so let's walk through this again still stuttering so I'm saying still drop frame can someone I reliable tell me if we're dropping frames you're not still getting some chop okay how about now okay we're not uploading anything I don't think so okay what cpu are you streaming 7900 X really is it still dropping cuz OBS no okay let's see 27 48 2809 alright let's you know what Time Warner let's get on to 6 megabits per second apply ok looks good looks good better good now okay alright okay thank you alright I'll keep an eye on that we had to drop down to 6 megabits per second if things get better I'll try and do better but that's what we're gonna do for today so alright let's let's go back over what I was going over so here we have Radeon settings we have 3d Markel you said as a validation tool will use other stuff as well big note here part of overclock in an under volt in with the Vega card right now includes validation with software so you I don't know I don't know what these drivers have done but previously you couldn't really trust the frequency readout you had to just go based off of scores and see if it improved here's the phone that we're using to readout currently the current the amperage going down to the 12 volt PCIe cables to the video card and then going back over this now that we're hopefully not stuttering anymore so going back over this the top number is the one of the hotspots so it's a it's a mosfet readout for one of the hotter MOSFETs on the card so we want that to be below 100 °c which should be no problem at all bottom numbers is just a it's another thermocouple that's not really placed properly so we're gonna ignore that okay so that's most the setup over to the other side we have the system I don't know how visible it'll be with the light we have over there but it is currently set up with a thermal take CL C so we've got the flow 360 millimetre CLC and that is set up to the GPU and then we have some little heat sticking off of the MOSFETs which are just cooled by a fan on top of it so there's a fan on top of the just sitting straight on top of the PCB blowing down at the fats and we've got all these fans turned down to like now 45% right now 45 to 75 percent because of the stream so we're gonna be a bit hotter than I biked but I'd rather not blow out the audio with fan noise so so I start working with so that's the setup let's uh first of all this is brought to you by Thermaltake they do make the flow 360 millimeter CLC that's on the card which we used in our hybrid mod and that it should be on Amazon by now so if you're interested in it check it out there we've replaced the fans so I've noticed some people don't like that I used to knock to a fan and to Corsair fans which by the way have different color LEDs ones a light blue and ones white so I'm sorry if that bothers you but that's what we went with ran out of the corsair ones and through an octa one on there and then we've got the Thermaltake flow 360 rad on there with the pump which is a 4.5 gen pump one of the faster pumps right now which is what i was going for so we we've we've did a $10 donation and said take this and buy 10 DS i will do that i'm not sure i we're gonna be in Seattle 4 packs in the next two weeks I think next week so there are good chicken tender places there we will take that $10 and use it appropriately thank you ok so let's start off with just seeing if this stuff works because last time it didn't really worry oh you know what we have something new let me see if this works this is working let's see if that works so we're trying to this is actually a crazy setup too but hopefully that's outputting the screen and we can get a direct feed so reset the custom mode and that's what we need to use I can hit a power target up to 242 percent I doesn't really fully apply it we're gonna stick to 50 right now because that's what people actually do in in real life so I can't type in a number unfortunately let's go to 50 apply - wah - later if we need to know thing with memory right now let's expand this out let's get a some kind of fire strike thing going now let's just start with a frozen fire strike output and then I'll do something more later but for now no we need to be a windowed but for now we'll start with froze it froze in the output window mode yes run okay all right it's work and sweet okay cool so while this is starting up the way we ended up doing the picture and picture is basically I've got a capture card hooked up pointed out that machine and it's supposed to do a direct feed into this machine we're not able to get OBS to detect it but I can get a window viewer that comes with the capture card drivers to see the output and then we open that on that machine with streaming one and point OBS as how window capture at it so it's a it's kind of a hack but it's working theoretically okay so get all this open fire strikes kind of freaking out and let's see how this starts how this looks for the new drivers okay we're just gonna pause at the same place we did last time right here and see our current readout is sixteen point four amps oh yeah I guess we're I guess you can't even see that with this setup so we're at sixteen point four amps right now and this is just with a 50% power target and with everything else oh no it's not stuck actually I had previously done some under bolting on here to see if it worked so let's reset that go to custom mode and power limit 50% okay so before I apply this here's what we're at we're at fifteen point nine amps and that's before applying anything so let's just go ahead and apply these changes apply so we should have much higher now yeah so now we're at twenty three point six amps going out of there and that's uh what is that where's a calculator twenty three hours twenty twenty three point four two six let's see that so that's roughly two hundred eighty nine watts right now and if we I'm outputting this screen right now so you don't need to capture it at this time so we're at 289 watts and if we do some undervolt in let's see what happens let's well first of all see if it even works this time fifteen ninety to apply so twenty three points six is what we're reading and you know what let's just take a voltage reading off the back of the card - so I'm that's gonna require me moving around to the other side of the table to check that so how are we measuring current with your phone we are using a current clamp actually we can show you that in a second because I'm about to show you the volt readout I don't know if Andrew it might be better to show this once I do a reading but we'll see and maybe I'll try and get it to read it that might fall over I'll try and get it to readout on the clamp and make it visible excuse me okay so let's show this for a second I think we're outputting that yeah all right excuse the mess this is because of the streaming setup can I switch this over to volts DC this is the current clamp oh yeah didn't want to point let's set that how's that look that's that's best we can do right now current clamp is round the 12-volt cables I've got ground in one of the molex and now I'm gonna take a volt readout we are getting one point three one come on one point three okay so that's the V Corps readout one point three is what I'm seeing let me switch this back to current so what point three volts it is working the software is relatively accurate in that regard now we need to do some actual undervolt in let me check the chat here all right guys planning on doing Vega testing with ek block blocks etc seeing that you got a custom loop on stream not sure right now now I'm not sure about Vega will do some stuff with ek some more anyway what's your one line review of thread Ripper that is really difficult to answer could you not bring the camera round no it's on a tripod I wrote a quest and a donation to super chat what's your one hyper-v a threat Ripper ok wrote an article did a video on this I don't know if I can compress it to one line so I'll compress it to a few seconds thread Ripper was highly performance we'll use that word for for production tasks it did well in Premiere and blender there are a couple others well I think poverty it ok and also really good for streaming wild gaming for the most part like there were some problems where the 7900 ax was still a good bit better with the gaming portion of it but thread Ripper did really well keeping up with the actual streaming portion so there's plenty of room there to decide what you need the review does a good job of breaking it down I'm not gonna try and do it today but yeah it's it's good at some things it's not great at other things but that's kind of the idea of hardware's the no piece of hardware I can do everything really well thread refer does some stuff exceptionally well it does some other stuff not as well as its competition that's what it boils down to ok so everything's working we got volt readouts on the back of card let's drop this down to eleven hundred millivolts on each option I might switch to watt tool because it's easier and what's our current readout so we just dropped from twenty four point six to nineteen point eight and if I just do a quick nineteen point eight times twelve point three so out to forty three watts now and we were at 280 something I think so that's what we're looking like over here yes we do have a screen capture today yeah so there's what we have for current readout that's at 1,100 millivolts at one point one I'll do another volt check in a minute once we get a little bit lower we were at one point three originally so this times 1592 let's get gpu-z open this may still be inaccurate I'm not sure if the frequency is reading properly now with the new drivers we're on 18 point one who it for anyone you missed that this reads 1590 that says 1592 so the rounding is corrected for we're not gonna do anything to clock yet go down to 1080 that's not enough let's let's do like 1070 1070 is it subliminal advertising no 10 70 millivolts so this is putting us at oh we do get a drop there eighteen point seven eight god this scale is awful on this current readout so 18 what is that a drop eighteen point six times twelve point three to twenty eight okay it wasn't a little bit of a job let's try 1040 I need to like actually validate this with something running we're just doing this for now to get a ballpark as it is working better than previously this still shows 1590 this is still running 10 40 millivolts we're reading seventeen point two amps which puts us at 211 and we started as a reminder roughly like twenty four point five or something now that's a little bit high I guess we were we're at 289 originally I think so we are dropping and we're holding clock rate allegedly it's good at some point that should either down clock or crash I'm not sure how the new drivers behave 10:20 we're not overclocking memory yet okay it's working this is actually kind of this is pretty exciting so like last time this did not really work that well I last time basically I'd type in numbers and it try to apply and then just kind of not do it like it it applied for a little bit for fire strike or something the minute I closed it open something we go back up to full power draw full voltage at 1.2 or 1.3 through the back so yeah it looks like we're actually doing better this time like the drivers are actually responding frequency is reportedly holding so we're not down clocking we'll have to see if it's does that clock reporting bug though how are we doing on chat here so for chat any questions now just the last one was the one line threader forgive me a question okay all right let's see what else we can do with this so let me show this yeah I'll try to do that let's see that I just do what if I put it right there what do you want me to prop it up on something so we've got a 16 app reading which is actually about what it says when we show when we set it to complete stock without the off the overpower setup it's going to prop it up on like this just higher or do you want it propped okay let's try and do this without a thermocouple getting sucked into the fan ideally what's her temperature we're at 45 C on the hotter MOSFET what's ambient ambient is 26 C okay all right frames drops Ryan are we actually dropping frames okay so let's look what can we do further than this we're currently at fifteen nineteen ten twenty let's I mean I would expect it would start not working at some point all right down clocking yet not reported down clocking I think we're gonna need to validate this with a benchmark though okay so we're apparently still working we're at fifteen point five amps for sure I mean that doesn't lie I don't know that the software does but well it's easy enough to find out okay so we're we're at nine eighty millivolts where allegedly holding fifteen ninety over here let me do another readout of the jet stream the phone screens of the PC we've got enough problems setting up the stream that's another thing to break alright I check over here okay so we have what are you getting a voltage readout on the phone right now okay one point now that is down we were at one point three so that it looks like it's working we were at one point three versus one point two in software and tripping on lights over here and now we're at nine eighty millivolts and one point something lower one point now so it looks functional let's stop there let's stop there and run a fire strike test and just validate with performance make sure it's not lying to us before we get too excited a fire strike okay and I'll look at chat while this runs no do not include the demo and we only need graphics run okay all right that's running let me check chat so chat options looks good okay so people are saying that drop frames are done I guess that's what I want to hear a new question and super chat Daniel so Daniel five dollars thank you Daniel says with V chord down now can you increase the power to the memory for better HP I'm overclocked so we've got a couple mods on this card but basically the the goal we've got two goals today one goal is to I'll just leave this set up like this I guess so one goal today is to just do under bolting first so we're gonna see how low and get the voltage while keeping a stable clock that actually either performs the same as previously or ideally a little bit better I'm shooting for like an extra twenty five to fifty megahertz over stock because I'd like to see the performance improvement that often accompanies a lower voltage and ok there we go so it doesn't like it when there's a change so that's the first goal just straight under Bolton next goal is we'll look at some overclock and toward the end of this and then I'll roll that into our hybrid part to coverage or part three coverage at this point with the results and theoretically to answer your question we should be I can't manually control where the power goes I don't have that level of control but I can as we reduce B core we should get some extra power budget now does that matter not really because if I start overclocking the thing like legitimately overclocking it it's just not gonna be stable on the lower V core we're still gonna want to go back up to 1.2 so I think what we're gonna see is two different types of results we're gonna see lower power consumption with the same or better performance going for better because otherwise it's not that fun and then the other option is the switch to current rates no they want a shot of the current and then the other option is overclocking with an actually high clock and and then who cares about the power consumption I'm gonna go for as high power as we can hit with this modded registry so here's what we were doing previously with the old drivers what are we doing today so we have a 50 nut here's a stock so stock here's what we had previously so we had stock at eighteen 892 score and fire strike stock plus 50% power was twenty seven six nine we're at twenty three three eight there's some variance here so we can just call them pretty much the same so we're at the same with a 50% power offset and with the clock untouched at fifteen ninety we're getting basically the same output today with a lower power consumption so that's good we need to switch back to current on the readout let me just do that so let's see if we're actually getting that lower power draw that we wanted knocking over boxes now all right so let's what's our current readout look like for this setup okay scores looking good though scores definitely the same as the 50% offset with lower power in theory we're about to find out okay any other questions here to go over no signals cuz but yeah yeah yeah so when you see no signal it's just because the benchmarks changing resolutions okay so our current readout says 16 amps so that is in fact lower we were at 20 let's just call it 23 to 25 give myself some room there it's about 20 23 23 24 and that's with a 50% power offset and stock clocks now we're at 15 amps which comes out to some quick math here let's call it fifteen point five fifteen point seven is maybe more fair twelve point three 193 Watts previously let's do a 24 previously we're at 295 so we're like 100 watts lower I need to see if the scores the same but it looks like it's about the same so I don't don't run to the hills with those numbers yet but it's looking good so far what's the point of this video ninety-five percent people don't care to overclock nor care about it well I it's fun and it teaches us about the hardware and we can learn about the power consumption and we can learn about how you can fine tune the power consumption you know people may not care to overclock but a lot of people sure screamed and yelled about the power consumption on the card and so to those people I would say if you wanted Vega but you are upset about the power consumption here's your solution and we're not sure if it works fully yet but it's looking pretty good these results are not guaranteed on all of your cards but it is looking pretty good so far well there'd be a separate video or is this live stream only so this the main stuff will be in the live stream but I'm going to pull so this is just preliminary like learning I'm gonna pull all of this data and turn it into a normal article on video after I'm gonna need to do some more work on this after the stream ends because streaming and actually doing real work is a little difficult so we are currently at twenty to thirty seven so we're a little bit lower stock plus fifty percent 20850 percent stock frequency lower voltage we are like a percent or less below that so we're looking pretty good now we need to see what kind of clocks we can hit without this thing crashing or forcing a clock drops so let's just go back to this setup windowed mode and and go that route next is that GPU or total system power that is it on average yes that is the PCIe cables going to the video card so it says point nine right now that's point nine amps and it's going to go up as this software launches that's going to the video card through the PCIe cables it's not measuring what's going through the PCIe slot but on these AMD cards that tends to be very little for Vega that is as opposed to previously so that's pretty close to the power you're actually drawing the PCIe slot is more or less responsible for things like the the fan power and we don't even have that fan connected anymore so okay whereas our where's gpu-z where'd that go hide and interfering with the benchmark I'm sorry okay so we are at we're showing 1590 okay let's just freeze this and let's pull this over here and then we're currently on the we're showing the monitor and that right now so you've got a small screen for that so let's go up to sixteen twelve which I'm just doing to the rounding error anyway so apply that GPZ thinks at sixteen twelve as many of you know from our content it's hard to know if that's actually the frequency until we validate it let's just see if we can break it let's just what was the match last time 1980 let's just try that first so this should not work it looks like it failed which would be fantastic like that would actually make me happy cuz that means the frequency wouldn't be misreporting like it was earlier okay this looks good so we need to restart now which is what I wanted restart in okay so quick update typing in nineteen eighty megahertz does actually break it which if you missed the previous content that did not break it it just told you it was nineteen eighty megahertz and and that was wrong but now it appears to actually break properly so the frequency might be reporting properly now which if it is fantastic job by the a.m. the driver team for fixing that quickly so that was kind of a it was very annoying just cuz we didn't know what was actually going on tell it with fire we're not going to kill it with fire oh I think we're fully capable of generating fire but I don't I don't think we want to kill it with fire okay all right so let's let's get this going again what do we need here gpu-z I need wat man or wat tool let's stick with wat man because it seems like it's actually working now and I'd like to use what AM the includes for now what tool is pretty nice but it has bugs of its own as well although I don't know so that stuff looks like it's fixed now okay so clearly the frequency fan is at least partially resolved that's reporting the correct frequency now that makes me happy windowed mode demo included yes Ron okay any questions while this is launching where is the overlaid multimeter we're pretty close we're getting there so right now we've got on the phone I set it up so that it's the current clamp can also be a digital multimeter so I've got it kind of set up we're getting there where can we get GN wallpapers so yeah that new wallpaper I don't think we've shown that before publicly it's like the GN dark logo I'll see what see what I can do we can probably do like a wallpaper pack and distribute it it's a I think it was made in blender right so it's made in blender we can just render it out whatever size we want well you make the same type of stream with Vega 64 I'm not sure we will work with Vega 64 I don't know if we'll do the same type of stream but we'll we'll work with it because I just got one in and I have two coming in from a reader so that'll be pretty cool okay so let me switch yeah we'll keep under Bowl things don't worry about it I just want to before I go too far with under bolting I want to make sure it's actually working and make sure I understand part of the software so like I said previously this is not me coming in here with a game plan knowing how the software works now this is me coming in here knowing how it worked previously and hoping that works better now and I'm learning on stream with you also this is my process of learning of things are actually functional ok so let's go to back down to nine eighty millivolts that's where we were before did it work oh we need to offset the power to 50% power offset apply okay is it worth did it go down let's go back up to 1200 so we're at fourteen point four I'm applying 1200 now okay 24 what else happened when I did that okay cool so here you go this is me showing you that it seems to be working twenty three point four amps right we're at 50% power offset we're at 1200 millivolts one point two volts let's go down 980 which appears to be at least partially stable it might be unstable when we launch a game drop 10 amps right there which is like more than 100 watts so that's pretty cool what do we need to do next let's see if we get the clock any higher with we'll find out if this is reliable or not I'll to do a validation through software like I said 1650 it applied does it hold her does it crash and what's our amperage we're still have the same current 15.8 well having not the same it's it's a bit ok there that was a big jump that's a huge jump so it looks like it's trying to compensate and stay alive because we just jumped back up to 22 so we're clearly not let's do it let me do a multi meter reading on this just because I'm curious okay so this says 19 amps we were at 14 something what are we at now is that Cheyenne volts on the phone 1.2 volts that is not 0.98 that's not 1 point out how either so so it's not working anymore we've we've lost the under whole thing which I think is because I went too low and it's trying to keep the thing alive so lesson learned here if you think it worked and you don't really have a direct feed of the current draw I need to switch back then it might not actually be staying where it said it wasn't software so it doesn't look like there's just a hard crash memory speed grab is blocked yeah it's not changed either though I mean this is I haven't touched the memory speed it's just stock so okay so that's clearly not working so let's still have 50 offset let's let's take it back up let's go to 10 50 does that is not stable since it's over volting itself back to stock to try and hold let's get a baseline 1200 I'll check questions in a second if anyone has any 1200 there's our baseline 24 that's 1.3 if you check the back the card okay so how is 1080 that seems fairly conservative 10 80 millivolts with an overclock applied mind you it's not really a change I mean there it's kind of hard to say if that's gonna hold or not so I'm thinking we might have pushed the clock too far well I mean yeah it is a bit lower I guess but okay so let's bring the clock down let's let's mmm we were at 1592 and that was stable and it was trying to get score so the same score is previously without Thunderbolts so let's bring it up to how it's like a modest 16 20 that's a 30 megahertz overclock 16 20 let's bring this up as well 1,100 1,100 apply ok close this and watch that custom graphics only windowed do not include the demo run okay all right so let's see how that goes I'm gonna check some questions while we're here I'll move this move the windows around a second three cards coming in yes we will be trying your suggestion 19 20 megahertz 10 80 millivolts best combination yeah don't know that'll work we make the same stream now tread that one rad tech gamers Nexus where can we get Gianna wallpaper so yeah like I was saying I'll see if we can distribute a pack at least two patreon and maybe push something just to Twitter or something and and then we'll go from there on theirs yeah it's gonna mess things up a bit but whatever okay so 1622 are holding allegedly next question what are the GP attempts with your CLC hybrid mod so let's find out 32 celsius reported temperature now here's the thing the reported temperature seems to be a little inaccurate with this software I don't know if it's from the I don't know if it's from a physics turn back on oops I don't know if it's from the sensor just having a normal range so these sensors have like a plus or minus two Celsius if it's a K type which is not it's by a thermistor or something else it's got some variance or inaccuracy but basically even though watt man and afterburner will show a temperature when it's idle it'll show a temperature of like 19 C which is below ambient so it's impossible without exotic cooling ambient was 22 when I was seeing 19 C GPU temperature so it's definitely not really correct but this is reporting 32 right now we do have a 360 rad on there and it's got three fans at half-hour p.m. like 50% rpm so I do believe that it's a good temperature but I just don't know level of accuracy yes yeah the 50% is throwing us off we'll work on it so again a bug with reported time yes there is there I don't know if it's a bug it might just be that the sensor in there is inaccurate so if that's the case it should be inaccurate by the same amount just all across the scale if it's like an NTC or a thermal couple like a K type normally is but I don't know I don't I don't really know what we should be expecting for a temperature offset at idle after all the adjustments how much wattage does the car need we haven't found out yet it's still drawing more than I want it to it's what is it pushing like 20 still yeah it's still put in 21 which is too high because we're offset 50% you know let's get rid of this let's see if we can go back to 1590 I might start using watt tool just to make sure fifteen ninety at 1100 let's apply that we're gonna mess up our score that's fine it's gonna run physics now now okay all right well that's not really telling us anything because our power consumption still kind of high so back to the drawing board on this demo what do we need to do here we've got I don't want to touch HBM 1592 at 1100 okay let's see if it just holds a lower value this time any more questions in the meantime can you check temperature with thermal probes and don't trust the sensors the problem with that is I'd have to get a thermocouple in there and those are going to be tall enough that it's gonna mess up my cooling we're not gonna get full coverage everywhere unless I just dump a truckload of thermal paste on it and then the transfers just gonna be bad so I could attach a thermocouple to it but it's just I mean even with the 1/100 inch thick ones that's it's still gonna be too much especially when HBM is as sensitive as it is I don't want a risk not cooling the HBM because I've stuck a probe in there on the GPU which would increase the height elsewhere so I don't have a good way to get a direct reading not one that's any more accurate than this is anyway okay so 19 amps looks okay see here's the thing as soon as I do anything with frequency we're gonna lose the power power advantage its grand back ten seventy and just run a test the ten seventy stock frequency kind of tempted to drop the offset the power offset but I really don't want to because that was the whole point of this originally you're still in nineteen okay is this even working at this point and forty apply I'm not convinced that's working right now where is watt all okay what tool let's see this is showing what I've typed in just hit set here okay I'm getting some movement I don't know that it's really working like it was earlier no yeah I mean it's just not changing anymore so I think we've we hit some trigger where it's it's not happy let's just do a restart on this so that's clearly not working at this point okay so let's check stuff while that reboots can you run it to has 10 for the megahertz so I think you're asking me 10 50 megahertz Oh way to compare with the fury acts we kind of did that with Vega fue so yeah I kind of I already did that a little bit I don't know I'm gonna redo it right now but check search the channel or the website for fury ax they get a clock for clock or something like that you'll find we did that previously it was Fe though okay why aren't these cards not specified to be built according to the lowest wattage voltage amperage possible there is that was supposed by jean-pierre there is variance between every GPUs so just like CP is all GPUs are not created equal I think they Andy's gone a little bit heavy on the voltage they seem to do that in general but from what I've learned it's there's a few things to it one the GP is aren't equal and they're certainly not gonna find you in every single card that comes off the line to make sure it's got a volt frequency curve that his idea is optimal they're just gonna do the best for all products and then I also recently learned that AMD tries well any of the vendors really try to make sure clocks remain stable and more extreme ambient conditions so I don't know why I don't know the whole details that but if you've got a higher ambient I guess that's that might explain why the fan curve is a little aggressive in some environments because they're tuning for worse conditions so there's always room for you to improve things which is kind of good and kind of bad depending okay so this time I'm going to I will just see if it works any more custom run does it work I think we're a little low here let's bring that up to 1080 again actually let's start at 1200 just started our baseline fun I'll switch the scene in a second okay so we're at baseline again what is the asic of the card it's an RX Vega 56 that's what you're asking if you're asking the asic quality I don't know yeah Silicon lottery does cannot the website but the silicon lottery so to speak does control a lot of how the card to perform at different clocks and voltages and things which is why they just set a blanket setting for all of them could still be I would think it should still be lower but I don't know maybe they have a really wide range okay thank you windows 10 that's what I that's that's exactly I wanted thank you windows I appreciate it yes thing that's that's great can we stop now okay all right so 1592 twelve hundred twenty three point something apps let's bring this down again it'll be careful or Windows will take control 1,100 1,100 I know that should hold okay so we've seen some change there so it's working we're it's back to functional we've dropped 24 watts by going to 1100 let's go for a little bit more no that's too much let's try 1080 again 1080 let's do this incrementally do we drop from 21 not really 10:50 not really a change oh there's a drop okay but we've changed scenes too so just to demonstrate 1200 okay 24 amps all right and now 1150 Piko down to 21 so we've dropped three it's 36 watts 1120 1120 apply 20 20 okay let's drop another couple watts let's hold there let's just just stop I'd like my goal is to get this number down to like 17 because that would be the same power consumption as stock and we'd be able to push higher performance and that's kind of what we did previously but also we have the driver issues so let's just try this and see where this gets us okay so fire strike custom run now okay thank you okay let's see where that goes how's our temperature over here MOSFETs are at like 40 Celsius so they're fine yeah the newest drivers have definitely fixed some bugs reduced p6 with while tool you know II should actually start using I mean I kind of yeah I don't know I don't really trust what man yet let's see how this goes first will mess with wattle immediately after this because I keep saying I will okay that's clearly not doing what I want so we're still higher power consumption than I wanted so uh what tool time okay yeah and these are like all turned off but a runner if it don't know if we have access to these throughout toilet or not wat man turns them off 1592 that is not what we want - 20 yeah okay it just resets for anyone curious so it's I mean they're just disabled right now so we have P six and seven 21 okay well it's 22 21 22 we are lower than we were which is like 24 watts lower it's doing something definitely not as much as I thought it would immediately but we can do more here can't go under one point one volts because p6 is one point one reduce the bottle yeah I just did that all right let me get back to some questions Anthony many out to Palouse will there be any comparisons on all three cards a few 64-56 well we've got Fe and 56 and we just have 64 comments so the answer should be yes when I use a Walkman and set p6 as the men I mean I kind of did that it's right there okay so what we want to do at this point we can there as far as turning 2000 so we got a score improvement but I don't know that we got a power consumption improvement let's let's log the next run so let's we're at one point one two right now and I'm just reading some comments while haven't been update it doesn't have the attributes yeah okay alright so let's do fire strike I'm gonna log this wrong just graphics wanted to be a bit quicker 11:28 59t to 50% offset we might not I don't know maybe we should just get rid of that next let's run that is that what I want yes that is what I want okay that's from that and then we're gonna record this run as soon as it starts anyway and then what I'm gonna do is reset all these values and record the next run and then we'll be able to see cuz the it moves around so much that it's kind of hard to just eyeball it and know if we're actually getting value here that's why under volte that's why I wanted to livestream it cuz it'll make me do more work to see if it's actually applying first of all so we're at 23 so we'll just let that record and then compare the two log files at the end because it'll look really good when it's frozen when fires Jake is frozen the minute you start actually testing it everything kind of you know fluctuates cuz bouncing around between different load levels yeah different power yeah yeah throw in power different teens yes we know that's why I'm logging this one because it's too hard to eyeball it okay please make a water block from the nock to a full covered block chop up the heat pipes and put fly water into it I'm sure you'll figure it out but way too much faith can you voltage HBM memory for better overclock I we I think the answer that question is no if I'm understanding you correctly we need both yeah we need both okay what was our what was their power reading like you can stop this one check and then we'll record the next one at 1200 put the same frequency apply okay all right run customer not looking for scores right now just trying to I'm just making sure that under vaulting is actually working and we're gonna start this recording once the loading screen pops up okay I started all right yes so this will tell us if it's actually functioning and holding oh yeah good call well yeah I have to set up another DMM we should do that though that's a good call someone suggested measuring voltage at the core during the test which I should definitely do that and we can I'll just have to swap around where my my volt probes are hooked up because this this thing can only output two it can only output either current or voltage you can't do both simultaneously but I have another one I can use looks hotter though right I think that looks higher which is what we would want to see that would mean the under voltage is kind of working all right so what are these results we were at don't make me export this so 1,200 we switch the scene back to us yeah throat probe turns off when it's not logging that's why it died 1200 okay so where is our output measurements okay so the previous measurement is loading right now all right let's uh let's export this to the computer CSV send so this is what are we run this at ten something 1100 give me a second everyone we're trying to validate the dysfunctions under-voltage okay so that is being mailed and then send out the next one this was 1200 millivolts send this the graph tool on this software doesn't let me pinpoint the current at different points during the test 1200 send okay keep the keep the camera therefore it will pull it over this screen in a minute once I have these things out of my email okay you guys probably watching the watching the current read out closer than Iowa's so if anyone thinks that it was actually working versus not please let me know what you think I'm about to drop these into a spreadsheet moving everything around alright so let's just make a scratch sheet okay and we're gonna import this first file a play will move this over to the other screen in a second download its report records one okay which one is this so for anyone who isn't up to speed we are moving over the records from the current clamp to make sure it's actually doing something 1200 today Donald down first import almost there and port okay all right so what's happening 23.6 just making sure I got the right sheets 23 624 524 422 for okay one more under voltage alright there we go okay so file import upload I'll get back to chat right after this this last file I need to import okay oh it looks good so far give me a second to generate a chart okay charts you're gonna bring the you can bring the camera over if you want to you so let's do a my output into the camera right now yes okay so we're just gonna do this kind of lazily this is which ones which this is okay this is 1200 millivolts and we're just gonna pull here down to there I guess I should set an x-axis era in x-axis so the x-axis most boring live stream ever this is like what we do normally actually I think these incrementing point two five yeah zero point two five five zero five okay alright so there's that one Josh this chart editors garbage alright so there's one and we want this and we're going to want the other this one was some lower voltage that's call 11 Huntington 80 but okay and then this we can set properly all right so what do we get okay there's our current output for each test so the under vaulted one is the redline you get in a can you see that okay on the screen you're gonna get infinity alright there we go okay so it looks like I was working yeah oh yeah that was working and the frequency was the same so that appears to be functional now we need to just get it lower so we were at 24 versus 22 what's our average difference here let's get just an average across the run I'm just gonna grab where it starts and then where it stops load it starts here stops somewhere way up here twenty two point seven six amps versus twenty three point seven okay so I mean it kind of looks like kind of works okay let's bring that back over here I'll check chat so maybe maybe not the most exciting what a try a hardware luck eleven twenty thank you I appreciate it 11:20 ok so eleven twenty was that one so try hardware locks his settings of P five one point six one three P fight you said people oh I see one point zero seven zero millivolts I did not actually read their article I did see it go out though I can try that yes anyone know the app he's using on his phone so this is the what do they call it it's just like fluke something or it's a fluke app the steam do everything himself no helpers are the cameras moving super chat John fig Figueroa said for five dollars thank you John left click state six comment and set two men it is cycling through state zero two state seven not between state six and state seven also good luck okay thank you let's try that state six column and set two men are we talking what tool or wat man I'm not that familiar with what tool yet what was the suggestion right-click state six so Ryan if you're a moderating chat keep an eye on that for me let's see if see if John sends through another message to clarify is controlled by AI camera by answer twenty two point nine verse twenty three point seven yes okay so left click left click state six column and set two men cycling through zero and seven not between six and seven elastically okay you know we're gonna gotcha I actually did not know that was a feature in watt man interesting I see I understand that okay let's see if that works thank you John I appreciate it let's bring let's let's lower this down to a thousand maybe that did something I think you're right I think it was actually cycling through the other states apply we don't need a wat tool right now let's run a quick test a thousand might be a little aggressive that's that's a little too much let's do ten eighty and I'll switch the camera back to the other scene everyone says hi Andrew Andrews ignoring you he's operating the camera kind of reared and you hahaha alright so replying that at ten eighty millivolts let's see now that we've set this to man thank you for that suggestion let's see if that does anything for us run custom okay I'm gonna might as well record this run I don't I don't think it'll export it again it's kind of a pain on stream but we'll keep it closer eye on it though okay 1592 megahertz ten eighty millivolts allegedly we'll see if it's stable it might it may not be stable because of the lower voltage but we'll find out okay alright so 21 is what we're reading that is actually improved that is better if it I mean it's different for each scene but it does look lower it looks like it's actually functioning again so cool yeah we're at 1080 right now millivolts 22.9 was lowest before let me check that for you the lowest we were at well I don't know was the lowest we for roughly the same scene we were at twenty one point nine up to twenty three point one or thereabouts and now with the advice from chat with the new minimum state set where are we here we're a bit lower yeah okay let's look before I export this let's do it another run I think we're I think we're cooking with fire now so 10 see if we can do 10 60 and see if we actually get a readout that's lower are we still offset 50 yes okay runtastic MOSFETs are looking good that's just by the way that MOSFET temperature in the 40s I think it I don't know what's going to under load I think it's under 50 though that's what the fad 50% or something over the MOSFETs with just those Arctic cooling aluminum blocks the cheap heat sinks that are on top of them they seem to work and pretty well honestly but I you can get away without those though you can definitely just need the rector cooling on those there exposed copper ok frequency is holding 1592 10 60 millivolts and I'm keeping an eye on our range here so 21 to 22 something it looks better I mean yeah that that's seen this better go check chat see nothing in the new drivers I'm not sure that's referring to earlier chat but it is that there is actually like an improvement the drivers okay so check in comment alright so how did we do here when I export this one so you're gonna have to bear with me for a second this was at let's taking out this time 1060 1060 and save that note export CSV so this current clamp was recommended by builds IDE it's it's crazy good I really like the login functionality of it 10 60 millivolts 1590 to send ok give me a second to pull this up over here at this point you're basically watching my job people like that they're cool okay download that where is Google I don't have Excel on here this one is what you guys say 11:20 right was the first one so that's 11:20 and this is gonna be 1060 right yes 1060 okay file import alright let's import that okay you can bring the camera over and let's switch this machine so let's just do a quick quick chart here at a chart 1060 that's ten 60 millivolts okay they're not going to be aligned perfectly but all right google you this new chart out of editors garbage anywhere night google's listening okay so we want ten sixty and sixty okay still 1p7 187 alright did it drop or is it just not gonna show up thank you it's it on the Rana axis or what left axis left axis left axis where's our red line ah they import the same file or something let's export this again it's no way that was identical saved files measurements now that should've been the right one now okay one more time if it works then we'll keep going cuz I won't have to do this again after we know it's actually functional for sure I think it is that I saw it Hardware luck exposed to that article 1060 all right send yeah and what's the ambient in here 26 degrees is it obvious Paul Hamilton where are you going to are you are doing a video about the manufacturer cost and how much it cost and you make Vega we've modified that video so many times now the answer is yes but it's it's going through modifications again I'm waiting for some feedback from them on some stuff some of the numbers I got okay where's my okay we can work this time that would be great file import I think the next step will just be overclocking because it's gonna be a little more straightforward in theory 10 60 millivolts okay all right let's bring the camera over so edit chart hence no walls why is that just magically in 187 again no cuz I'm on there on one maybe there we go alright see what happens ok got this chart editor so this used to be the chart editor and you click this they put what you want see how see how that's wrong I typed this in like four times now come on Google give me a break thank you yeah okay that chart out of it every time you click they use old editor button it's like give us feedback on how to improve Google just go back to the old one it worked this one sucks I hate 22 so it's working there you go there's your there's your evidence that under Bolton is working this time they're not aligned I'm sorry so we're at something like let's pick the low points here no point twenty point four it looks kind of an outlier low point over here twenty three what's this down here yes I mean it's obviously working what's this one so ten eighty millivolts ten eighty suppose to be eleven twenty eleven twenty minutes so eleven twenty millivolts we were clearly under the twelve hundred and clearly over ten sixty so it's functional and our scores should be about the same I don't think I need to import these anymore other than maybe one last one let's uh let's see if we can draw this a little lower who wants to in chat send me the this someone wanted me to check against what hardware Lux was getting so who if someone could send me those numbers again what did hardware locks use and hours may not do as well be or it may be better Silicon Lottery and all that but if someone could send their settings over let me know and I will put those in over here and see what we get okay thank you hardware Lexus settings p5 sixteen thirteen megahertz and ten 70 millivolts let me just copy that so I don't lose it Oh Thank You Ryan okay Ryan moderating chat so 16:13 1074 p6 so 1613 this may not work as well for us as it did for them as I said and what was P what was the other one 1613 1070 okay so they use to the same for each one right so 1613 let's see if we can get the same kind of output that they got were they 50% off set does anyone know we can we can either do 50 or we can go down to whatever they use let me know and let's set the screen over there again yeah yeah so fair point our card is a hybrid is hybrid did have bourbon how our card is hybrid so performance will be different there too I don't I don't think theirs was same settings okay 30 percent I was like okay cool thank you let's see what it does get current readouts okay there and I am going to what are we at for voltage again ten seventy we're not doing memory yet so I'm gonna grab another multimeter I think and check the voltage while it's running let's do both graphics test this time loop run let's see if it runs get a score out of it and it just hit record I'll truncate that later I don't know if we'll end up using it okay so that's that's starting see there's a couple questions to check but let me get through this run first and see if I can switch these over volt DC okay this is a much worse digital multimeter than the other one but it will work where was i measuring I was measuring right here whoo what's the what's that amperage reading say Andrew twenty one point six ish one point one that's what seems okay let me know when it updates is it running again not yet I don't know yet okay so 20 I have right here in front of my face 20.8 21 921 so we are lower definitely we're lower than 1200 millivolts I'm getting 1.15 out of the back of the card 1.15 volts is what we're reading what was our setting 10 something 1070 okay well we were at 1.3 when it was 1200 earlier so certainly something's working I mean we're clearly lower here on the current so that's great the result was 73 watts lower okay good to know fire I strike a ultra huh is that right now 21 205 so let's just take a note of that in our notes and then someone saying they ran they run normal fire strike I'd rather compare against that slide more data for that so we got a 10 16 13 megahertz rosary score on to a 5/16 13 what is the stock memory 800 800 okay so how does that compare to our previous scores on the old drivers stock plus 50% which was 24 amps remember 24 25 somewhere in there there's calculator so let's just call twenty four point five there was 308 actually I recall so this was 308 when I was checking it at the time and this one we don't have an exact number yet but this shows about 21 at the high end maybe 20 what was the highest number you saw do you remember maybe 22 maybe 22 so let's call that maybe 22 it's 270 so what is that we're really not that much the down 38 watts and then what was our other previous score it's ready 21 205 is really it's sort of seeing better here than here so the frequency overclock is working so we are getting better than we were previously which I think this was 1592 plus 50 percent with no under volt and no overclock so we've improved over that by a bit turn onto a five versus twenty one or twenty seven sixty nine so we've seen an improvement of two percent which is really not that exciting but isn't an improvement and then we were at twenty one six six zero with an HB m and now just with an HB I'm over clock at nine fifty megahertz so we're about the same place we were before some of that's probably a driver update and then what was the request here fire strike ultra someone wanted so let's do a fire strike ultra no demo window okay so let's run that just to compare versus their numbers so someone please remind me what was Hardware Lux is number maybe change the offset to 1060 millivolts the same frequency OC okay same frequency overclock the offsets 10 60 millivolts yeah thank you so where's our stuff there we go okay and we're not overclocked in memory ten sixteen seven seventy I guess that's your suggestion okay so yeah reducing temperature will reduce leakage correct so it's not a perfect comparison enforcers NL heading out thank you for watching good luck with work tomorrow Hardware Luck's got five five one nine someone was saying five five nine six okay so somewhere in there yeah to person that's that's a good good point two percent performance moves to the ten percent power reduction is pretty good alright see what else did I miss here Frank Dremel super chat no comment thank you Frank for the 2.2 dollars much appreciated Nathan scantling this is old chat at this point you guys really need a fluke 125 B scope meter I used one of these as an industrial electronics tech well I've got the name of that saved from from Ryan the moderator so we will look into that Paul Hamilton I think I answered that question yes todrick you what advantage does Vegas fifty-six have over the fury x and your opinion is Vega even an upgrade from the fury X or a side grade I mean it performs better it's got a way higher clock so it definitely well yeah he's performed I don't know I need to look I need to look at my data Vega Fe clock for clock wasn't exciting but these cards you don't run them clock for clock when you're actually using them they get 56 is the more competitive of the two if it stays that price target okay so five five one nine four fire strike Ultra is that what our target is here so right five one six six five five one nine okay well we don't have exactly the same setup as them either so all right let's drop this some more I'm gonna try a 1040 and we'll check the meter and see if it's actually 1040 apply or at 1613 okay run Jaso how's it gonna deal with this I didn't do windowed how I did okay 1612 1040 okay so we're targeting 1040 here I see zero five eight your live streams are great I love seeing your test methodology thank you I wouldn't call this methodological but I appreciate it it's really just kind of haphazard let's see what happens and I'm on stream so I'm not trying to like stop a whole bunch and collect data I mean clearly because I didn't even hit record on that at that time but thank you I appreciate it glad that it's entertaining or educational or something they oh they overclocked HBM to a thousand megahertz okay there you go there's a difference we'll do that next this is looking good though we're down to twenty one twenty two from something higher than that so down 30 watts 36 watts something like that hasn't crashed I checked the back of the card before this is complete volts DC back of the card is showing okay if we could actually work crappy DMM that would be great so we're showing 20.9 20.8 amps right now I'm not getting a good reading out of this oh there we go okay got it so what do we get one point one five five that's like the same we saw a minute ago isn't it one point one five five vcore that's from the back of the card okay stop that what's our score did it even work 21 to 95 okay sort of thin variance let's get up to a thousand on the memory next so yeah we stopped at like 980 last time so if we get stuck there that's okay so I don't actually know that number right now okay not 1017 1060 that where we are where do I go to 1040 1040 okay so let's go back to their settings I got some more info from chat so they were at 1070 right it's all right 1070 1613 more or less HBM they had it a thousand I know 980 stable I don't know if a thousand is stable for us so all we're looking for is a five five one nine I think so let's run that so hardware locks five five one nine with I just got I just went back up so they were at Wolfgang rein says 1,000 megahertz HBM PP five and six for P six and seven I think is 1613 and 1070 so that's what we're running and I think they were probably offset fifty percent right on power have you tried using a sharpie on the beak or you know I haven't but that would be a good idea to enraged commenters and I was scope with the current pro we've got a fluke meter on the clamp down there already I do want to go to a noscope at some point though what is the results of under Bolton you're late you say well the fact of being late means that you missed a bunch of trying to figure out if it worked and how it works so we're currently at tense we're validating on the numbers that hardware Luck's got per request of a chat it's not true apparently apparently news h3h3 won their lawsuit did you hear about that I'm just reading chat don't repeat me look into it later with all the programs running will it affect the score of the benchmarks maybe a little bit but I'm not really running tests for review right now I'm just running tests to see if it works yeah I do think it's ignoring the vcore settings somewhat I mean somewhat where we're bouncing around because the scene is changing we're definitely lower if you missed it we had a we had a chart that showed some of the the results and they were actually lower amperage each time but I do agree it starts ignoring your settings at some point here five for 60 we're retargeting five five one nine that's pretty close it's not bad we're 20 megahertz lower on the HBM what's our improvement over the last one with what I say we're at 50 100 or something so HBM helped out a lot just make another this is getting messy but ultra five for six to sixteen thirteen nine eighty one seventy okay alright our name recording okay so I mean I think I think I see you kind of it's it's kind of working I'm not getting the voltages I wanted or the the wattage out what I wanted let's yeah I don't know 10 70 you just so I saw some people saying they got - 70 watts or something what were what were they getting like what's the actual number not just the Delta does anyone know what their actual wattage their power consumption was and it was where they tent where they measuring at the wall or at the rails go to 1,000 yeah sure why not we can do that while I'm looking at chat 1000 and again keep in mind I don't know what system they were using or anything like that we don't even know if a thousand stable we're about to find out even Klein said on Twitter we won the lawsuit video coming soon a huge victory for various on YouTube cool good for Ethan on water what is the higher court clocks you can push I don't know we haven't done overclocking yet I mean I did I did do every clock in but if you remember that video where I talked 394 watts at stock that's got to be the wall right yeah that's at the wall for sure so as you can see as you can see it didn't like the thousand megahertz on HP M they must have had a better bin than we did were they on 64 they may have been on 64 we're on 56 mind you actually that's a so were they on 64 could someone check for me happy happy sharpie your cat now we haven't drawn on snowflake with sharpie because as comments will leave do you believe that means we respect the AMD IHS last because we used a dry erase marker on it to show where the dies right all right of facts 1000 yes that is tell me what we got 394 okay so where's the Vegas 64 is oh is it Vegas 64 Vegas 64 16 31,000 millivolts no wait that's not right hey 1050 on 64 or yeah yeah yeah hard relax did both cards okay 56 thank you thank you for the clear answer all right so that's clearly not stable 990s kind of stable I tested it last time is it still are we gonna need food okay you know I'm getting bored of this so we're gonna go for overclocking now I'll do the rest of the undervolt in as part of the review process I need to sit here more methodically and like properly do stuff and write it all down and everything but we got an idea here it's not as good as I wanted it to be but we might be able to improve things when I can actually sit down and look at it more closely let's go for overclocking know so we know 990 is roughly stable 60 we don't need this at 1070 anymore we go to 1200 you know what also we don't need is a 50% offset that's kind of pedestrian so we're gonna go give it a hundred this kind of buggy this power play table it seems to do it doesn't does something but it's kind of like okay so firestrike benchmarks got the most data again on this once when you go with this home that's going to rename this window it okay all right 50 may be unstable we'll find out so again folks you missed earlier parts in the stream it appears that frequency reporting is working better than previously so good job AMD for fixing that quickly because when I type in nineteen eighty megahertz now it crashes rather than saying we're running at two gigahertz so that is good news so 4.2 there we go there you go there's a number I want to see twenty-nine amps so we're definitely drawing like three to four over the fifties hosta head that's pretty cool what's our temperature looking like I need to keep an eye on that now now that we actually care about such a thin 30 C reported through watt man set HBM state32 min max okay I will do that next time thank you by the way John once again much appreciated readings from Greece greetings to Greece from the East Coast and then max okay twenty-eight so we were hitting 28 to 29 which is a 100% offset I worked with build Zoid and builds what I believe worked with helm who those BIOS or power-play mods so what is 29 by twelve point three that's three hundred and sixty watts so from for a minute there we have three hundred sixty watts going through Vega 56 which I previously were capped at three hundred eight so that is a very clear increase so that's really cool the powerplay table worked and that put us that gives us more power budget to play with that means we can get a higher stable overclock than previously there that's that's looking pretty respectable that's what I want to see notepad twenty three two one four sixteen fifty to ninety nine the at twelve-hundred I wanted a center power was three 56.7 so three 357 watts which puts us plus 50 and round at the botch yeah that's right that's right right plus 50 over the previous 50 percent offset I didn't see artifacting someone else might have caught it was looking like closely but 2324 what's that improvement high score previously these are all bugged ignore these 25,000 results those are bugged invalid previous high score there we go stock card without the liquid cooler twenty two two two eight so we got a four point four percent improvement that's not bad I mean that's better than the jumps we were getting previously cool can it go higher 16 72 okay here we go MOSFETs are pretty happy they're staying under fifty C we just need them under 100 we'll be good yeah there's no pad plus plus some times but it's got a bunch of stuff open in it okay is that better than 1070 do you mean then 10 70 millivolts already mean then a GTX 970 I need to check my numbers if someone wants to check our review of the fire strike normal fire strike 1080p results we'll have a gtx 1070 in there so like I said we've got a what do we have for power Oh 30 amps there we go I think we want to avoid like 500 but for hundreds okay builds are actually after he sent me these power tables I asked Bill join for tables that did 400 watts and he was like after I started using my muse like hey I think 242 percent actually goes over 500 oops why not work it it didn't kill anything yeah can't wait to see how much Headroom Vega really has someone says I mean so here's the thing this is like terrible to do for normal use because you're just ignoring everything about power the efficiency goes down really hard once you start doing these kind of over power settings like the gains you get per watt are just so much smaller than stock more than the 50 percent offset but uh yeah I mean that's that's what we're looking at right now where are we 2028 with this scene which is a bit higher so that's cool 47 48 Celsius on the hot spot MOSFET which means they're all gonna be under 50 are we out doing our we got to in any of our previous routes are let me open up our fire strike results they have 56 reveal so twenty three five two six what we get from fire strike previously I'll paste this in chat once I can find the right chart fire strike okay so previously where's our chart with all its many charts let it fire strike power consumption okay there's our scores just go pull up a chart here sympathetic GPU okay so previously we were at fire strike normal 1080p I sort this by descending data sort by graphic score okay okay go ahead so I don't I don't think I have a chart actually generated for this right now so we're just gonna kind of look at the numbers on the screen okay so is this even to we should I generate a chart for that it's kinda hard to see right so we just want to assign the right thing okay so we're getting twenty three five two six what does that verse of the previous score versus the previous score we're at twenty three two one four five two six and we increased by like 20 megahertz so 22 five to six where does that put us that puts us Vega frontier edition stock was that is that with like a fixed voltage or something let's pick one I know what it is 1080 SC 222 893 and this is twenty three five two six now the power consumption is absurd it's more than a hundred watts more but we're beatin it so twenty-three what is that what's that uh what's that look like twenty three five two six sorry I don't have a chart for this right house we're just following the screen twenty three five to six versus twenty two eight nine three nine two eight nine three that's an aftermarket two point seven two point eight percent two point eight percent faster than a stock 1080 do I have an overclocked 1080 in here I don't think so not right now we do have a 1080 ti stock 1080i twenty eight okay that's not what I wanted thank you our is a 1080i reference is going to be how much faster 28 - 67 - 23 5 2 6 so we're still 20% ahead on the 1080 TI reference card and that's what three hundred sixty watts going through the card now this is just fire strike mind you but we're not we're not really close to that right now so okay let's bring that back around and look at the see if we can push this a little further hurry I want to try and wrap this up at some point 1,700 1,700 okay let's see if that's day way I'll check chat in a second once this starts running did I write all these down already would I say we're I like 360 something something like that I can go up in the history yeah sorry what's right okay go so again we're under liquid right now we have a thermal take flow 360 millimeter cooler on there technically if you buy it it comes with three RGB LED fans they are the advertiser for this stream check them out we've replaced those fans with two Maglev and one knocked to a fan which is driving people crazy because they don't match but I just wanted to make sure the thing is where we're running low our fans beats here for the stream so okay so what what do I need to catch up on discord what's going on in chat yes I know for yeah fire strike it's not real game inference we know I already said that it's the point of saying that earlier but this is fast and easy to do on stream and it's easy to validate performance because I can't trust the frequency numbers even though they look better than they used to in terms of reporting Vega 56 is the newt okay that's not nice after you find the highest collage try undervolt in it I don't know that will get a lot of room might be able to drop 20 millivolts or something disrespecting hardware again I think that's a joke but yeah 20 mark scores aren't translated to games yes I've said that Garen sexist do you know why modular PS use have weird pin outs on the PSU side instead of just copy and pin out of the connectors makes custom cables a huge pain I don't see a reason for it we talked about that a little bit in our like PSA don't mix and match power supply cables video it's not standardized it allows companies to do what they want so like EVGA he's got those universal power supplies where you can plug the cable into any spot and they wouldn't be able to do that otherwise so it allows companies to do stuff like that or to put LEDs and the connector headers now maybe the function would be more valuable but that's a that's the way it is where do you think the eighth generation will look at that once the time comes okay it looks like some people are having trouble with we're comparing fire strike scores looking at gaming right now it's too hard to do gaming tests on a stream takes too long I'm just trying to validate an overclock that works twenty three seven eight zero a that's an improvement or 1702 and nine ninety five hundred one hundred percent juice did you look at the did anyone look at the current at all I didn't see this time it's like 30 amps again probably okay so I want this to fail so that we can work on closing the stream and find the performance limit I'd like to get back to the other work we have we have to shoot another video today probably 17 22 that's you know I really wanted to fail so let's just go a little higher so that'll give us a performance ceiling are we sustaining allegedly yes allegedly we are sustaining the clock 30.4 apps thank you I appreciate that I can rely on chat keep an eye on that stuff okay so 30 point for max thirty point five okay so we're about where we were before which what is what's thirty point five that's it's 325 watts going through a Vega 56 that's pretty cool okay found the point failure 1732 how to reset this it's nice having the liquid cooling on here I don't have to worry about temperature at all just gonna let it go okay I switch back to where we've got signal how is the noise that why it's honestly not bad it's uh I don't know we can measure it I don't really feel like it but it's definitely way lower than my talking volume probably like 40 DBA or something but I've got the fans turned down so when they're when those fans are at 100% it's like I think we're likes nearly 70 decibels the other day and when you walk by you can feel like you feel the air pressure it's a pretty pretty sweet setup I'm actually I really like this hybrid setup it's our best one we've done I think just in terms of like its kind of power Plato a lot on it so that's pretty cool I'm looking forward to doing that more in the future I don't know if it works or how it works on NVIDIA I'd like to try it with their cards as well but something it's the furthest we've gone you know you risk the card at some point but I don't really care 17:22 eyes it's yeah it's my job so if it dies on stream that's fine but it really shouldn't we're well within the power capabilities of the VR m9d let's just let's give it a little bit more room one-twenty okay do I have to reset this stuff up here yes there we go okay so let's set this back I think someone just asked about how we measure the current so we're measuring at the PCIe cables using a current clamp the current clamp is outputting wirelessly to this phone which was recommended by builds I'd shout him out again if you don't know who he is search for actually hardcore overclock and go subscribe to him there's a lot more about this stuff than I do but we're getting more into it we haven't done this much with overclocking really in the past it's it's pretty fun so for anyone who missed the beginning part the top number is a hotspot on one of the on the vrm it's one of the MOSFETs this is our current there you go 30 amps 3.5 looks like about the peak once again and we're trying to see where it stops being stable we lost ability at 1732 megahertz we're at 17 22 right now did you get a response from board partners regarding BIOS modification I'm assuming you're asking about my question I sent out about will board partners be able to bypass the locks that prevent the flashing from applying and the answer is not really I did not get I think they're just trying to make a card at this point a lot of them have been pushed out to September from what I understand they give Ryan Ryan link to build Zoids channel and chat if anyone wants to see it so at this point I don't know the answer that board partners have been pushed back quite far on their launch with Vega cards so yeah we'll see once once they actually have something more to talk about maybe they'll answer that question okay try 1613 950 intensity we did that a little bit ago we're on - we're on to overclocking now we did under volt in a bit ago see the valley one two three do you know why modular PSU our answer that one huh Tommy thousand faces does over vaulting HBM do anything for overclocking memory we don't have control over the HBM voltage we have control over the I think it's like a voltage controller voltage which talking to builds are there's not much point in modifying that I don't know if his opinion has changed but that's sort of thinking originally so where are we now twenty four one three eight hey that's an improvement twenty four one three eight seventeen twenty to nine ninety sort validating with performance and it looks like performance is saying that this clock is actually applying underside like 375 Watts here all right so let's start looking at numbers that's that's roughly our area of stability so we are at twenty four one three eight verses or is our highest stable number before on the stock card stock cooler stock power we have now boosted performance six point five percent that's pretty damn good we've also boosted power draw it's by huh how much have we gone up on power draw like 22 percent soho six percent more performance 22 percent more power pretty good not really hey super chat thank you it's been a little while since I've seen one of those pop-up super chat wishbone five dollars Thank You wishbone I appreciate it it helps with doing live streams for this lon I think we're gonna spend it on fast food to have the stream should I buy an asus strix mega 56 instead of a 64 when it launches yeah there's the question because I thought yeah I don't know actually I don't have numbers on 64 yeah I just got a 64 n so I'm really curious to see if without the crazy power stuff where's our number 22 6 5 9 I'm curious to see if we outperform 64 with an overclock on 56 because if you can then that's a better deal to buy an add-in board partner 56 overclocked it and spend less money so I think 56 should actually be better the BIOS lock really sucks but I don't know if partners will be able to work around that we haven't tested 64 I'll be doing that very sure we just came in yesterday can you drop millivolts we already did that okay so we're any other major questions I think that's that's my son right now I don't see anymore super chats right now okay so I don't know that's I think that pretty much shows what we're gonna hit today we broke at 1732 held at 17 22 it's not worth trying to find that one megahertz barrier this might not be fully stable in games its stable and firestrike normal if any you know justjust because people have been requesting it I'll run one of these before we close the stream out so fire strike ultra you can use this number to do some comparisons with our previous ultra numbers and that'll push the HBM to more so might might cause some instability at 990 we'll see they're not too windowed hoops try to drop voltage okay fine let's try I'll try to get on to like eleven eighty or something let me check the check the voltage on the back of the card whoa thirty holy crap thirty-two amps yes 33 yikes what's that what's that I don't that's that's quite a bit more our 20 so we're hitting like 400 watts now turns pi not gonna lie what's the thermometer say 46 okay did it crash no it looks like looks like crashed right that's right oh okay cool house I have to turn it hot uh what am i checking over here a temperature of the GPU I guess should be fine I guess we'll see it once it closes out okay looks stable super chat it's okay sir so yeah I was on the other side of the table super chat daniel monsanto thank you where is the security code processor on the dire elsewhere on the card i'm not sure i was starting to build to write about this i think our last understanding last time i checked with him was that it's on the die which means that we're not gonna be able to do anything about it really some people on the overclockers forums are comparing the different BIOS revisions on different cards and they're trying to do some reverse engineering is on locket i don't know if that'll actually work but that'd be cool you can kind of get get decently far with power play tables though which is a registry mod and that's what we're running super chats elaine abrahan ten dollars no comment thank you Elaine I appreciate it it's I mean again like this is this is the longest dream we've done but I needed to do all this work anyway so it's kind of like doing my job while doing my job super chat tom's Bremen Smits says what is it okay that was that Norway or something kronor what's your thoughts on liquid metal instead of Tim well I don't know I mean like liquid metal between the CPU and IHS and the cooler called plate that's pretty good I don't really like the idea of it on video cards just because well I don't know it's it's kind of not really worth it okay our temperatures are already so low it just doesn't seem worth it to me so anyone wondering we were at 59 56 for the score on that I'll just go ahead and type this down for my own reference - 956 what'd I say was where we had 33 amps so what was the 406 watts holy crap so let's not increase that power target anymore I think we should stay right there a hundred when I say was 406 watts and that's a offset of 120 percent roughly okay so I said we do one more and I need three - couple more questions so let's run one more just per request I'm gonna bring this down to 1180 and see if it is actually stable people are asking for undervolt in at the overclock I don't I don't know with like here's the thing we're drawing 400 watts through the PCIe cables once you're at that point under volt in is not really kind of like it just doesn't seem that important but we'll do it see super chats got one from oh yeah the liquid metal question yes so CPU IHS in cold late yes that that seems worthwhile and in some instances GPU I don't really like the idea of right now it's kind of messy Reggie Reggie not oh five dollars I think Canadian says I just hope this helps awesome work and no need to chat me out should have put that up front man but thank you super chat Zach attack five dollars thank you for this well thank you for that super chat John once again ten dollars whatever you get for food get a large I think that's what we'll do I think big Andrew and I are gonna go to our local establishment show them the stream and demand sponsorship super chat David Knight five dollars go buy some Vegemite to eat can you even get Vegemite here all right what's the oh it's the voltage readout I didn't see the amperage this time if anyone saw it let me know what it was one point two seven volts okay so about where we were earlier which was one point three one point two seven volts with at least 406 watts I'm back at the chat now tamps oh yeah good question why does this not have like a log gpu-z doesn't see it yet does it no okay it should be low 5956 okay Sam score oh that was with the under bolt right yes okay it did go down temperature I have one more keep an eye on the amperage while I'm at it okay I forgot to do a windowed okay benchmarks ultra custom FX window now do not include the demo okay see how we did with this Frank Dremel $5 thanks for doing this kind of gritty testing helps a lot well like I said it helps me a lot too I'm learning this with you all we're able to kind of figure out what I need to actually do once it's time to test this mod properly put all the numbers down do the game benchmark stuff like that okay are you going to be in scrapyard wars 7 or 6 as a judge next question GPU temperature 32 so again I think that's kind of inaccurate but I mean it should be kind of close to reality because we're reading below ambient previously 34c that's with a thermal take flow three sixty millimeter cooler on there which is a nays attack 4.5 gen pomp that I've modded to fit Vega 56 we use the same mod process we did for Vega frontier edition and the poem said 100% the fans are at a I don't know low lower 1575 somewhere in there and we're at 34 Celsius it's pretty damn good I mean I'm happy with that and that's it what's our average 29 right now hey that's better so that's eleven eighty millivolts so the under Bolton did actually help at this higher frequency anymore m80 xb3 with DHC sony boards coming out I'm not sure I haven't heard about any lately we are doing some stuff with AB III of the board right now Patrick is working in the other room on that stuff some power testing okay they're using fluke on the graphics card we've got a current clamp by fluke on the PCIe cables yes 32.7 ounce max thank you so I mean not a big difference about something it's something okay so an Yin Matt will it run crisis I don't know if it'll run any games know what it'll do Vega 56 okay I'm just looking at chat yeah sorry three thirty two point seven max okay so there's your answers we're at roughly where's our temperature we were peaking at 37 under that short test maybe we hit 40 or something that we did something longer 3950 5956 was our score and that was with 17 22 990 megahertz on the HBM 1200 millivolts which sustained at 1180 that we got a slightly lower score the second time around at 58 26 and 406 Watts here 30 2007 here is that what it was this is a mess both to clean it up later okay so that's what that's there's these days your overclock there's a 400 watt Vega 56 pushing 1080 levels of performance at 400 watts mind you so two times the power draw or something like that but it's doing 1080 performance in fire strike now fire strike is not a video game some games will support Vega better and probably you know do better in terms of the 1080 comparison I know that you would likely know that it's not very each by one of them quake might be one of them but uh for fire strike it's it's about tight as a 1080 sc2 all right last few through here Bing talks what's worse power let me give this back over here whoa well run quake to hit pry up 3000 fps why not use excel because I don't have it on this machine it's just a streaming machine okay so whose was I reading Bane talks what's what's the worst power draw you've seen for arcs Vega so far well I mean I 120 percent offset 406 watts at 50 percent offset 308 watts they can't go past there it is capped by BIOS at 308 watts or whatever the that current draw is so that's that's the answer that one super chat thank you Tom Braz myths once again 20 I think Norwegian kroner I think that's what that is what's the difference between VI D and V core voltage I've looked that up so many times and it's not something we're working with today but on the CPU side VI D is what you'll use to tell the CPU what to do and like X 299 is a good example what were we hittin on that 1.15 or something v ID but the V Corps was actually like one point I don't know eight for 700 X there are better there are actually answers to your question online I don't have it memorized right now sorry I don't dig that deep into overclocking on a daily basis to memorize everything all the voltages I'm working on I'm working on it we've been working with builds all right he's helping me out my focus mostly on the tasking stuff though super chat Sebastian crowd Houser two bucks here's one gigabyte valley SSD storage thank you this camera if I I guess the stream is benefitting us in that regard the camera for like a normal shoot is about a gigabyte per minute with the lower settings so super chat wishbone five bucks gaming related question do you think the Xbox one action project Scorpio is a great idea there's the first wide sale water-cooled console is it water cooled I thought it was a vapor chamber we've got one coming in though November 7th it comes out right so i pre-ordered that we will have one we'll be doing a teardown if I get it midnight launch then we'll have a teardown that morning online so yeah keep keeping an eye out for that we're working with it and result here what is your opinion of the Vegas series check back with me out to Vegas 64 I've got a review up for 56 you can check that out for opinions on 56 with the the stock card and result here for overclocking once you start modding it and stop it it's doing decently I've drawn a hell of a lot of power for the performance gate and we're getting but it's fun to work with I wish the bios were easier to mod but a DOS Steve ever covered games I used to so we used to do a lot of we did game reviews we did we do well we still do gaming benchmarks when new games come out of the thing is lately there haven't been a lot of new games so I haven't had anything to really cover with that but destiny to that's coming out we're gonna be benchmarking destiny to a couple other games are coming out later in the year John once again 56 plus 64 crossfire 56 Plus Fe is 64 plus Fe I don't know if I'll do all those I do want to do some some mix crossfire testing we've done them in the past with that we did with a 5/8 in the 480 I was basically the same as 2 for Hades so yeah I hear your request and we will probably work on something like that live streams hair down for the Xbox I don't know see like that's the thing we livestream the teardown I think I think we'll get more views on it if we film it and process it and edit it so that we can like just get to the point faster and YouTube seems to distribute the uploaded videos a little bit better after this the I mean once the stream ends this video won't get distributed that much so I think will do I need to make ro ionics I bought that thing put 550 bucks will probably film it upload it but we might stream some other stuff with it ryan length of vega 56 review and chat ran who wanted that you're supposed to convince me that I wanted a Vega 56 Steve our review has data in it if that convinces you then go for it but I'm not I'm not a salesman for AMD this is how my job okay I think I think we've hit them all so I think we got the mostly questions can Vega be cross fired I haven't tested it yet it should be Ryan from PC perspective tested that they are focusing less on crossfire though just like any videos focusing less on no one really not enough people do it anymore do you play games just bench are you mostly benchmarking ok so let's wrap that one up there's your under bolting and overclocking overclocking towards the back half wonderful things towards the front half under both end I'm a little disappointed with I want to do better with it I think we'll have to sit down and spend a lot of time working on that one because like the saws were kind of lies to you you hit a threshold where just the voltage stops applying seems to do whatever it wants so I'm gonna need to really sit down and work on that and then overclock I'm pretty happy with so overclocking looks like we're stable in fire strike 17 22 megahertz 990 megahertz on the HBM to 406 Watts through the PCIe cables quite high and that again is with a 120% offset on the power so I'm pretty happy with that aspect of it not as happy about the under Bowl thing but we'll get back to it I might need to under bolt with the without the power target offset stuff ok cool you only under bolted 20 millivolts at 17 22 I know well I we got to cut it off somewhere right I'll see what I can do for the look for the upload look for like the actual finalized data where everything is all nice and organized and everything ok alright thank you everyone for watching thank you those of you who donated and we appreciate it we'll do more of these they are impromptu if you kind of got surprised by this one follow us on Twitter I oh wait right one ounce it they're like an hour ahead which not that that much ahead but twitter.com slash gamers Nexus I'll answer this one Steve do you listen to heavy metal last 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