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GN Live: Undervolting & Overclocking RX Vega 56

2017-08-15
okay we should be live or will be live momentarily today we are doing a Vega undervolt in an overclocking demo to walk you through some of the stuff that we encountered during the review process but I'm gonna give everyone a couple minutes to fill in to the chat here so hang tight with us while chat fills up we've got a pretty cool street mean set up I'll know it before I get into this and by pretty cool I mean haphazard dangerous to exist in here and takes up a lot of space so we have a screen over here that's for the under bolting and stuff like that and we have a screen on the other side which is just for the actual stream output so the system itself I don't know how visible it will be without much light on it but there's the system with the Vega card off to the side and that's what we're going to be undervolt in today okay so let me just check chat see how everything is going is every does everything seem okay to everyone we tested it before going live so I think we should be okay looks okay no one's complaining yet so yeah all right cool as a note Zeta is in here as a moderator thank he's ADA for helping out if you have questions post them in chat I will try to read them he'll kind of catalogue them for me and we'll go back through every few minutes and address all the questions and it looks like everything's okay with the stream so all right so here's what we're gonna do we're gonna under vote Vega a bit live part of the reason for this demo is because during the process of working with this thing during the review we encountered there were a lot of issues so part of this will show like hey this is not a perfect solution right now sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't work sometimes it resets itself sometimes the clocks misreport there are a lot of potential challenges and showing it live will help you see the unedited just know things we encounter along the way hopefully drivers will be updated to fix some of this in the near future and we we know there's a new driver out we have the latest press version on here that was sent out prior to review going live and that was it was not it did not contain the best gaming optimizations what we were told there's another driver for that but if you wanted to overclock and actually test your overclock so yeah these are separate one which we did use and as the under volting capabilities so that's kind of filling up now so I think we can get started on this doing behind in benchmark now someone says hello Andrew though so acknowledging the camera operator that's always a good thing so let's get started I think Andrew showed the video card a moment ago this is watt man watt man is pretty buggy right now but it kind of works what we're doing this is afterburner afterburner does it's not really report properly however this clock is correct from what I've been told so even though it looks crazy small that is a correct clock rate and then the other tool we're gonna use is called watt tool which I find to be much more reliable than watt man but here's what we're gonna do first I'm just gonna run a looping firestrike demo in the background for right now and this thing right here is this an old phone I have set up which is communicating with our current clamp so I think let me see that is showing up okay cool so that right now we're reading about one app DC current and that's a twelve point three volts so not too much right now so we're going to leave that hooked up and this will be monitoring the power consumption at the PCIe cables for the RX Vega 56 video card which we have connected right now and that means that as the card ramps into its workload we're gonna see that number increase and the goal here is to bring down the power consumption as much as we can while also offsetting the power target so increasing the power target by 50% means that we are going to increase power consumption to the tune of I think it's like 90 watts off the top of my head but it is in the review so going from the zero percent offset the 50 percent offset means we're probably gonna go to about three hundred watts at the PCIe cables at which point we start encountering a BIOS lock and we did try to flash and get around that we flash successfully but it doesn't boot so it's no good right now on the bypassing that limitation so increasing power offset increases our power consumption and performance because the clock can stabilize better but we can down volt under voltage and actually improve the clock stability by decreasing power and in the process decrease power consumption as you would expect so here's what we got we got fire strike is running successfully afterburner is not reliable I'm gonna show you why see this clock 1300 megahertz probably not accurate what does watt man think we're at right now well maybe it's hard to say quite frankly it is this is part of the demonstration is showing that the clock is known to be buggy we've talked to Andy about it they know it's hard to know when it's actually reporting accurately but if we go down to let's get listen to custom mode so if we go down here we've got a 1537 for our target frequency at DP m6 and clearly it's not reporting that number but that doesn't mean it's not happening because what you need to do is validate with performance not validate with these numbers because those are often wrong right now that should be fixed so when overclocking validate with performance which means run a test first run a test after the OC if performance improves that means that you've obviously overclocked it if it doesn't there's a problem so let's look at the current here we are currently at 16 ish amps and that's going to be our baseline for stock so 16 apps baseline stock is what we're gonna try and stick near and then if we I'm just gonna do a demo here if we set the power limit to an offset of 50 you're able to see that we tried to screen capture by the way but it was too uh too complicated for right now so power is offset by 50% now and you can see that our draw is now 24 amps so if anyone in chat feels like doing some quick math that number just let's call it twenty four point five times twelve point three is how many watts we're at for the PCIe II cables I think that's gonna put you somewhere near 300 Watts and then previously we're at sixteen - sixteen point five whatever that may be and that's going to be our amperage going through the PCIe cables and do you want to let's how well does that current clamp show up okay so there's our current clamp see if we can not auto focus on the cable and kind of dark I know it's not in the white but the clamp is here it's clamped around the 12 volt lines for PCIe on the video card which is a Vega 56 and the fans starting to spin up so I'm hearing noise that's what it's from let's see I'm gonna address some quick some questions quickly so haha Ryan says curious to hear snowflakes senior AMD analyst opinion on Vega performance can we expect the video or article soon you know snowflake has been a little too demanding lately on the compensation for those articles so we'll see she's currently tasked with shipping and receiving temple others I have three hundred euros for a GP you sold my ten sixty this from John I use my IG P now since it's almost exams time should I be saving up money's got big a fifty six we're gonna use 1070 I don't know it's this is what I was saying in the review it's really hard to say exactly what to do right now because the prices are all over the place Vega 56 isn't technically out it'll be out on the 28th I think and at that point we'll be able to tell if the prices stick or not but I just say keep an eye on that okay so back to this thing as you can see we are over powered on this we've gone over the power limit 50% and now we need to I'm gonna manually set the fan speed actually no this is a good opportunity to demonstrate some other bugs with this so let's type in 2700 rpm I think this will trigger a bug yeah see this so this reports 3000 10 RPM right now and basically there's an offset here where the number you type in add at least a couple hundred rpm it gets exaggerated as you go up the chain so we're at 3300 now versus 2900 input to keep that in mind that the good news is that and the fixed bug here where once you increase the speed you couldn't decrease it that was on Vega Frontier edition but it's been resolved for 56 so that's good and let's just bring this we don't need this that high yet we don't need instructions okay so here's what we're gonna do now let's do a demonstration of setting the voltages and the frequencies and I'm gonna switch to watt tool soon because this will be insufficient at some point by the way our clock rate is now reporting higher but anyway so let's do a let's see if this will cooperate and let me bring the voltage down to 1100 millivolts that is so 1.1 1.1 volts okay so this is the only real way to know if this works right now just because the tool is so buggy traditionally if it doesn't work it'll just crash so you know very well that doesn't work but if it's staying stable it doesn't mean it applied right now so the only way to test it you can probe the back of the card with a DMM which we're not gonna do right now or you can check the clamp reading and it's kind of bouncing up and down so it looks like it's applied you can see we're at 20 2.6 right now we're at nearly 25 earlier and it will go back up occasionally because when we didn't really under that much but you can see clearly that we're drawing less power at the PCIe rails and the PCIe slot for anyone curious is really only responsible for powering the fan so that's gonna be no more than 28 watts so 1,100 millivolts now the thing is we can actually get this clock higher as well there's a bug here too which I'm going to show right now we can type in this might be stable hole find out I'm kind of going from memory here if we type in 1600 okay so it's it's increased the clock we're at 1530 1540 now in the reported clock which not sure how accurate that is but we typed in 1600 now if I type in 1620 note that it does change it it adds to every time which is just a rounding thing it will increase now we're at 1550 so we were at 1530 a moment ago so it has offset by 20 megahertz which is what I asked it to do but we're inputting a much higher number than we're getting and that's partly because of Andy's new dynamic frequency switching stuff and partly I think because this stuff is all software's all very buggy right now but it's similar to what we're seeing with the fan outputs being that what we asked for anyway we've increased the clock rate clearly and we're actually still drawing like 1 to 2 amps maybe maybe 1 to 0 amps last but regardless we've really not changed the power consumption much from the 50 percent offset we've lowered it a little bit we can do better than that though and at this point I think I'm gonna switch to watt tool so I'm gonna get rid of watt man and we're putting keeping the card under load with fire strike still so let's grab watt tool and I need to launch this as administrator because we've got fire strike or a afterburner open so this is what tool this one works ok it's not officially updated but it does work and I'm gonna check chat and things like that for a moment gbesi work reports megahertz right I yes it does report megahertz it reports the frequency but I need to look into it to see how accurate it is and then disturbed medic $10 just a little something as a thanks for all the late nights yes well thank you for watching because waking up and seeing actual views on the video certainly it certainly helps it's like oh people actually listened to the stuff we had to say after working for two days on revenge in the 1070 and then getting the whatever this card is called up to speed the 56 keep wanting to call the 560 alright so frequency we've got our frequency table here DPM States up to seven the ones we want to play with are six and seven only you don't really want to mess with five or below because it will cause a bug in the software that I don't know if it does it with 56 but with VIP it would set this or this one rather memory frequency down to 500 which this says 500 it's actually not correct it's 800 right now that is one of the few things afterburner reports correctly is the HBM to speed so let's set this number to 1080 and let's see if we can keep the frequency there for now theoretically this will apply well we'll find out if the bugginess rears its head so right now I'm still seeing 23 to 24 amps which is higher than it should be so we're gonna try I might have to start resetting some of the stuff and reapplying it but we're just gonna start typing in lower numbers until we see some kind of change or don't and if we don't then we'll reset everything so here's here's why I did not benchmark under Bolton for all the games with that review because when we have like 27 hours but to more importantly it's not really fully functional it works kinda but you can see we're really not changing our current going through there so right now it's not affecting anything so what we need to do is reset everything so I'm going to reset the power target to offset zero reset the clocks to native power targets in native we can probably leave the fans alone so that works now we're at 16 17 amps again so that's clearly applied and there's there's a certain order to this I can't remember what it is right now but we're gonna find out either you have to do this one first or the other one for we've offset power okay we're at 24 amps again now let's set this to 11 100 millivolts 100 millivolts set and we're down to 20 to 23 amps okay I'm looking okay so far not gonna play with the clock rate until we actually see this functioning so there we go 21 amps it's working we're down three which is gonna be in the 30 to 40 watt range she is a number more people are familiar with and it's good on to 10 40s you bet stable at 1040 eventually this will either crash or it'll just stop applying but I want to see how low we got the power draw first so now we're at 20 to 21 amps remember our starting point here is 25 so we've dropped 5 amps which the five times twelve point three is gonna be a little over 60 somewhere so now we can go down to 10 20 so that means we've dropped about 60 watts so far as a reminder we have a power target offset of 50 so that's actually increased in our clock from what afterburner is reporting remember this is not really fully accurate but what it is it is a accurately it is precisely inaccurate meaning it's offset the same amount each time so with that precision we know we've got a 20 megahertz boost over the stock clock and we're under volted from the power target offset and now we're at 19 amps so we can get there so it is working we're getting down towards the actual stock power draw while persisting with a higher clock I'm gonna go to 10:15 which is the lowest stable I tested previously any below that will be news to me and this is looking like about where it's either breaking or where we're no longer seeing gains so let's call it eighteen to nineteen point five amps is our current rage range I'm gonna check the comics and things for a moment Sebastian kraut Howser dude your content is fantastic and I really appreciate the effort but get some sleep at some point seriously don't tell me how to live my life but yes I agree with you thank you thank you for the help for the super chat donation anything I say let me know if there any major questions about this process I should be addressing in chat live while it's scrolling by but ok let's look at the next step so we are currently at we're still at 19 amps so this is still functional for now eighteen point five to nineteen looking pretty good actually we're only two apps over what we were stock complete stock no power offset which was 16 amps so two amps over two to three things are somewhere in the 20 to 30 watt range more power consumption so 30 watts more power but a well as we'll see in a moment a higher clock so let's go ahead and you know let's get gpu-z open - there's because I'm not sure which software to trust right now with Vega it all it all needs to be kind of updated is this reporting the same yeah so they're all reporting the same number and I don't know how accurate it is I think this one's actually accurate right now it seems to me when it's in like complete stock configuration that it's wrong and you'll see some reviewers and users talking our clocks of like 2000 megahertz which is not possible without some insane cooling or maybe even at all so those numbers are wrong and that's it because the software is buggy well let's push this let's just put them both to 1590 which I think I had trouble with before and see if we get any change and they're reported no okay so now we're both 50 90 let's go up to 1612 I'm doing the the 2 megahertz rounding that want Manzo's I don't know if it's necessary but we can still type it in alright here we go see that number or this number we were at 1475 a moment ago which was 1590 let me just reset that 1590 1590 that should bring us down to 14 75 okay well apparently apparently we're gonna clock higher than that now thank you souther okay we're done we're between 1515 25 so it's kind of working but again if you do this at home just be aware that you're gonna encounter a lot of bugs and problems and as we can see that has increased our power consumption now so instead of just going to unstable and crashing it is remaining stable about it's increasing the voltage going to the core without asking us so we're actually back up closer to where we started and this is why it was so frustrating to work on for that review last minute because there there is a method to it and you can get it to behave but I can never quite figure out exactly what that process is let's increase this one and see if maybe we just need to provide enough more voltage to get it stable at these lower bolts or we might have to reset everything again I think we will probably have to reset everything again PC cold-war are using a custom profile performance balanced yeah so we're not using the wot man profiles right now we are using the technically it's a custom one and using wot tool to do the changes so I may switch back to wot man to see which one's more reliable and then a $10 donation from Sean Thank You Sean much appreciated no comment on it it appears but thank you for that let's see is another one oh yeah okay so I think this users name might be skylake if I understand correctly and they said the Vega launch price was a launch discount price and that prices will jump up shortly WTF do they actually say that has so I know this story was posted a few hours ago so I've been able to follow it I know that overclockers said that but I don't know if AMD has of that we did a mail them and asked for confirmation but someone go ahead an update Chad if Andy's actually officially commented on that because I don't I don't know if that's anything more than a rumor right now okay so we're gonna reset everything cuz it's not working very well clearly so resets I don't know if I need to click that but it's working so we're gonna do it clark's dropped power consumptions dropped 16.5 apps now and anyone who's new to the stream right now that is this phone is attached to a current clamp so it's given us a direct feed from the PCIe tables so let's try this again this time I'm going to try changing the clock first and then the voltage 1612 let's do that I know wait wait and you talk to the power set okay we're at 24 amps so that has worked sixteen twelve okay that's worked how can we bring this down so we're going to 1100 millivolts we've dropped a nap for so it appears to be working ten eighty okay currents not changing right now still not seen a change this is what I was talking about this is what I wanted to go and stream the show is how unreliable this is so a moment ago this worked but I adjusted the clock second now we adjusted the clock first and it's not working let's reset and this time okay power off set and let's do this first this time maybe the clock was just pushing too high 1100 okay we're going from 25 amps 23 10 80 okay now we're now it's kind of working again so we were at 25 amps a second ago we're at 21 to 22 now and it's starting to work at these frequencies maybe we need to keep the frequency a little more conservative because again it doesn't seem to crash when it can't support it it just boosts the power which means again if you're benchmarking this you really need a direct way to get the voltage going to the core or the current coming off the rails so you can use a DMM to the backlit card on the probe points or you can do what we're doing here and that will validate if you're actually drop in power or if it's lying to you in the software and then just increasing the power as it needs it which happens frequently so we're still down we're at 21 which let's get a skip one of these up two just to get kind of the numbers easier to follow so right we were at 25 let's get an exact number of that so twelve point three volts that's about three hundred to three hundred ten watts of power going through the rails and then if we where are we now we're at twenty point three now it's actually a good bit lower right this 20.3 to twenty point eight let's call twenty twenty five twelve point three so we've dropped 50-plus Watts so right we've dropped about 55 watts which is really pretty damn good I haven't touched the frequency at all so we're at the same frequency we were at we're at a fifty percent power target we've increased our clock stability and how high it's going without actually changing it manually because the boo States working a bit better with more room to play not a lot though we can change that and we've dropped power so that we are now about what will be out before like 16 point something so we were at 203 now we're at 252 so we're 50 Watts over where we started as opposed to 100-plus Watts remember we were at 310 a second ago so if I reset everything which I'm not going to do because it'll all break we were at 310 and that was 108 Watts over where we are but now we're 55 so we've clearly got this functioning at the moment 10:30 it's gonna go down more so now we are approaching 19 amps we're at 20 19.7 there we go it's working that's that's exciting to see okay so for my own future reference it seems that fixing the power target offset first and then doing this and don't touch the frequency until last and checking the questions and comments here one more in the style of tech power up can you do a percent efficiency over performance you get from doing this versus stock 100% and their graphs I don't want to do the math yes I I think I follow you so basically a performance per watt type of thing if I understand you correctly Sean so that's what you're saying I think we can do that for you next one Mikkel Corral do you have a compressor in the audio if so please lower the ratio and make up gain when you don't speak the fan background noise is being amplified way too much do we have something like that last time if you know where to change it I guess go ahead otherwise sorry about that we don't have a we're hooked up straight to a camera so I'm not sure how much control we have here but yeah I can actually I what sir we're at 70 Celsius so I think I can get away with lowering the fan rpm a bit let's go down to 2100 it wants to stay at 75 okay so hopefully that helps out we're gonna increase our temperatures a bit as a result but the vent is actually quite loud so it might not just be that you're hearing it amplified it's good mm okay all right that should help out a bit let me know if that help hopefully did okay so where are we now we are at 20 amps and we're at 10 30 millivolts with a frequency of 15 38 and 1594 DPM six and seven I'm gonna keep leaving those alone for now it's let's kind of push our luck and see at what point the voltage breaks and then we'll know for when I reset all this and and we can just start there next time 10 20 seems to be working we haven't crashed and it hasn't sprung back up to the 25 amps it was at 10:15 it's hard to say if it's doing it oh yeah it's going down another 12 watts one amp 12 watts so it is still working and we're at stock frequencies but we are offset on the power by 50% so right now we're not gonna have a huge performance gain in terms of frame rate but we we will have a we're gonna drop our power consumption down quite a bit 18 amps not bad right so we're at 16 so we're 24 watts over where we started at 1 1005 millivolts so 1.05 volts that's a pretty good reduction actually I'm happy with that let's let's well you know we might as well just see where it breaks right so let's get onto it let's do a thousand I'm happy with 1005 but just just so we know where we can expect this to fail this will help and this also is gonna be dragging our temperature down with it as you reduce power consumption you reduce the thermal concerns 18 hard to say 17 something - 18 something looks like - working at some point this will either prove to be no longer applying which I'm questioning whether it is now maybe 17 points something - yeah seventeen point three so it looks like it's still applying or at 975 millivolts down from 1200 let's do a bigger step let's try 955 and just I really just want this to break at this point or to prove itself to not be functioning falling down to 16 something we are actually where our stock power comes on was now how our clock is actually pretty effective though so check this out we're at 1413 megahertz and we started out something like 14 75 I think what's our peak here no that's not really reliable yeah we were definitely up towards 1500 so you can see where it's it's doing what it's doing this is what Vega does now so we're decreasing the voltage and it does one of two things either it well one of three things either it works or it down clocks you and works or there's no change whatsoever and your power consumption goes back to where it started in which case it didn't work and either that's a software bug or something else so we're clearly pushing too little voltage now because we're just dropping clocks like crazy to the point where it's gonna affect your performance negatively I'm just gonna see what happens like does this actually just straight break or crash at some point or does it just keep down clocking itself let's do 800 mm I'm thinking it should crash at that point no okay but it's also not applying anymore we're not seeing a change here our frequency is no okay our frequency is like six megahertz lower but that's close enough to be insignificant all right so noted we know where we can go down to like the 1000 million let's call it 10 15 10 20 before we start dropping clocks like crazy so let's let's you know let's start at 10:30 I think I said we have to adjust this first otherwise it'll not apply if we adjust the frequency first I'm checking the comments here so are you used to Papa I recognize that name are you considering getting an instrument for frequency measuring for audio testing such as fans and cases so that would be for doing like a frequency spectrum plot or something we've tried to do stuff like that before the problem is I'm not trained enough in audio to recognize when something is accurately reporting or when something's being just kind of blown out of proportion by our measuring tools so not right now we've done for ages ago did a frequency spectrum plot with our our zoom recorder mic and it was it worked okay but I wasn't happy with my level of uncertainty and the results so we just stopped if there is a good way to do it in the future then I'll look into it and then yeah so bill joins in here and just pointed out what we were talking about a second ago probably caught it earlier than I did it Steve it might act it might ought Oh underclock as you lower the beak or which is what we're seeing here and there's no outright crashing going on so it's actually it brought the V chord down or the frequency down quite a bit with that V core we did why doesn't a MD do this tuning before finalizing the products or shipping that's a great question and I think the answer is going to be Hartwell so the answer that they give us is that it's basically a tuning for the lowest common denominator to make sure you're not you're not gonna crash a blue screen or something that's the it's a reasonable answer that's basically what they tell us where you're bending down from effectively a 64 to a 56 or maybe well that's probably how it's happening and if you've been down the range of stable voltages or the range of frequencies where it's gonna function is going to be different than the higher bin chips so that's kind of the answer they gave us where it's just it's just tuning for the lowest common denominator which if that's the case then 1.2 volts is certainly gonna keep all these stable at the clocks that they advertise so no problems for AMD they're all their customers are happy and the people who want to tune can go in tune separately why isn't Andy I just got that one mod 'no 89 amps going up doesn't mean voltage does yes but I don't have a DMM hooked up to the probe points right now and it's kind of far away from the camera so this is the best I can do to kind of gauge it loosely next question is Meyerson keep up the good work reach from Germany thank you okay so yeah it would be nice to hook up a multimeter to that but it's the cameras everything setup is already kind of crazy so let's see what we can do here without dropping clocks let's keep that at the 10:30 I'm gonna set this 59 you see if it changes anything see we're still not changing its actually that's boost this a bit some point this is gonna stop working if it hasn't already I might actually have to reset everything cuz I'm not seeing any change anywhere okay still not seen any changes any warehouse 1616 trying to it's either gonna draw more power or it's not gonna work yeah nothing's changing now so clearly this is bug that let's let's reset hopefully we don't have to reboot you set everything here and offset by 50 oh you know what I should show is the kind of bugginess here can we get this all done now right so the thing here I want to show is sometimes and I was talking to Paul about this to you from Paul's hardware we're not really sure why or when it happens but sometimes if you input frequencies here manually it won't really do anything and we kind of found that doing a frequency percent offset worked a bit better with these Vega cards for now while with these drivers I don't know if it's changed with the public drivers I haven't tested those yet they have 18 dot something out now okay we're at the right everything apply so we got a we got an offset there 8% I was crashing around 10 earlier 10.5 I think so is it actually working is the question okay while it worked because it crashed so that's good we're actually seeing something happen with percent offset I got to reboot this thing to power on all right do you think it's possible to use Vegas 64 customer overclocks with 550 watt high-end power supply ye possible yes I haven't actually tested the power draw in Vegas 64 yet so I can't answer that we did frontier Edition overclocking though if you offset power Drago by 50% we were just seeing 300 watts through the cables the power cables so you I think you'd probably want a higher wattage power supply just to be sure that's 300 watts overclocked already out of 550 and then you've got the whole rest of the system's here so I would go a bit higher than that I don't think AMD I think recommended a thousand watt power supply for the liquid version that's absolutely unnecessary but this is a product where it's gonna be higher consuming in terms of power than others so you need more than 550 I think if you're overclocking for sure honey forest did you see the link to the contact paper that measures diet water block pressure I did not that's actually a really interesting idea though I like that sir papa are you considering reviewing fans like you did with knocked or a one time thing for right now it was a one-off I'd like to do more because I bought the tools to do it but not today and then last one for right now Vincent there are USB multimeters that can overlay on OBS oh that's really cool I did not know that that's a cool idea Lewis Rothman uses those okay well noted I'll look into it for next time that's pretty cool idea alright 3d mark settings and we are just gonna set this around on the background again while going for a percent offset just to kind of show how that aspect of the tool where it's done we'll get back to seeing what we can do with undervolt in if anything at this point so like it kind of works and it will maintain a higher clock but I just can't get it to hold as soon as so in fire strike it will hold and then as soon as I close or actually in any application so if I do that here's what's going on if I do the undervolt in vibe and one application get it stable and get it to a point where the clocks actually higher not lower so not down clocking like we saw earlier if I do that it'll work for the application for sure for a little bit anyway and then sometimes it seems like when I switch applications to a game it'll stop working or I'll have to go back in and change things again so I'm not really sure what the deal is I think it's probably a good idea to to just try and grab the next driver rev when Andy pushes it whenever that is because there are a lot of known issues with this one that they talked about them to you like this is not a surprise to media they communicate is everyone what the issues are but anyway so we're 10% off side just because like I said this was working a bit easier earlier and everything seems like it's kind of working through watt tool or watt man rather I'm going to bump this down to nine because I know we just crashed a moment ago out that one so bump that down let's see what we can do for voltage 1200 right now we are holding at whatever advertised speed that's telling us let's see so it thinks that we are at 14 68 right now for the frequency let's go ahead and drop this to something conservative 1180 and we're still holding we're actually yeah we're going we're at 1500 so 1478 to 1500 right now is very unfortunate because it goes up and down with the fire strike down I should probably just freeze that actually to frame and let's so that's table what can I do here not really dropping clocks yet at one we're at a 11:50 millivolts we're not dropping clocks here noticeably not in a way that I'm seeing 7:25 let's kind of do this incrementally Oh nope 11:25 oh by the way you can't go up to 1250 on this you can do that on vfe but here your max is 1200 just to kind of draw everyone so it's resetting which means it's not going to work your max is 1200 on the Vega 56 card and we crashed this time so now because I'm using the percent offset we're getting crashing which means it seems to be applying more correctly versus if you type it in manually either doesn't apply or it does so in a different fashion than you've asked for it and this is the frustration we're going through a last minute during the review it does kind of hard crash - by the way drivers everything crash it freezes up so let's see just checking chat and stuff all right so we are currently rebooting again during the percent offset method made the clock actually apply whereas previously doing it through typing the thin end was either applying it to be lower than requested or just there just straight not working without actually giving user feedback okay 3dmark this time I'm just gonna freeze it on one frame to kind of work with something a bit easier demo okay we need this to be windowed alright and I'll just shout out bill joy here he was on the chat for a little bit I don't know if he still is actually hardcore overclocking so he's got a channel where he does this stuff all the time every day hence the name actually hardcore overclocked he and I'd encourage you to check it out it was a hell of a lot more about overclocking than I do I am certainly nowhere close to his level not an expert I don't hurt my things yet but I know I ought to point out how some of the software works and how to do the somewhat under bolting and things like that the rest of it you just kind of learned trial by fire strike but uh his channel is great for all the other stuff and I'm sure you'll be doing Vega content as well so give the man a subscribe if you haven't already okay so I'm gonna freeze this on one of the frames alright and let's see if we get a more stable readout now without all the fluctuations we saw earlier because it's just gonna be rendering the same thing over and over so custom once again offset 50% fans ramping up I'm sorry about that actually anyone want to see how loud this fan gets does any volley a volume warning if you're wearing headsets you've been issued a warning just relative to my own voice let me we did a DB measure on this and I think it was a something like 66 or 66 to 70 DB a here we go so I don't know how that's picking up on the mic light probably really not pleasant though so let's just revert that right away but there's there's your arrange for the fan it's really not a great cooler all right pair offs that's good all that's good lets us do see this one more time let's see and then I'll go on to other overclocking things so let's drop this again let's just go to 1180 stock clocks make sure it's applying 25 amps steady right now 24.8 it's very study actually so this freeze-frame was actually it was a good idea for sure I get this hair off my head so we're pretty steady and that makes it easier to tell with the changes 1160 next time I might hook up at the drill multimeter and plug it into OBS that was a really good idea then we'll be able to see the current and the voltage which would be nice is it doing anything is the question is there like a percent offset on this - no okay 24 yes where were we at a second ago at twenty four point four all right 25 okay so it's working twenty five point one and it's gone to this so we're currently twenty five point one and now we are at 23.5 are we dropping clocks that's the question so we've reduced our power draw a little tiny bit right 15 33 megahertz right now and a second ago we're at let's let's just confirm this for sure I'm learning with you guys right now because I didn't have enough time to really dig into this with the review so we were at 15 34 I just increased the voltage that give it a second to figure out what it's doing and once we get an update on the numbers one though so we're at 14 82 I'm gonna give it another couple seconds here but it looks like that's where we are 1482 what was I at 11 20 millivolts so let's go down to 11 20 millivolts again and we're at 1530 okay now we're seeing the result we're actually seeing the frequency improve with the voltage reduction let me just do this like one more time to make sure we're not catching it during some spiky behavior 15:33 right 1200 or well we're currently at 1120 I've typed in 1200 I haven't hit apply we're at a 0% off site we're at 50% power offset and at the 11 20 millivolt input I have we're at twenty two point six amps let's apply that so we're back up to stock voltage now we've dropped this time the third times I think we can call it 1484 megahertz and we're up to 25 amps so this is actually working this time it's exciting to see so we're not a 12 to 20 Watts higher which is not huge but it's enough to tell us that stuff is functioning and we're not dropping clocks now that I'm watching it more carefully 11 10 apply we go up to 15 20 so it's not quite as good as the 15 30 number we saw more ago we were at 15 33 and I want to go right 15 28 now I haven't offset the frequency yet so we're still just working within the confines of of everything else but we're still 30 to 40 megahertz over what it was at one point two volts and we're down now by 24 watts of power consumption at the PCIe cables and we're down to one point one one volts so we've reduced our frequency a little bit but we from from the already under voltage frequency mind you 15:24 we've lost where megahertz here assuming this is all accurate this time and we're down to 22 amps let's see how low we can go before we start getting that 1480 number 1080 and then I'll start trying to do a frequency offset 1080 ok 1519 so we've dropped we're dropping like at this point 18 megahertz from where we were a moment ago 15:33 our power is actually falling we're at 21 amps now I'm 25 so we've cut off a good amount like 50 watts or something and let's let's see what we can do here thought it crashed for a second let's do have 4% just see what a modest 4% does does it crash and while that figures out of its table I'm gonna catch up on chat so where were we last time Greeks from Germany we're at builds or question earlier or a statement rather not quo he certainly just he certainly doesn't have a question for me so catching up possible now I got that one honey forest did you Scout that one I got that one Steve are you going to do the hybrid model this yes working on it you have to set all P States below the max P state to the lower voltage or the max P States the card will clock to is the one with the highest voltage now so actually with this I'm assuming that was referring to watch earlier these actually just in custom mode all we have is DPMS 5 and 6 or sorry 6 & 7 in custom mode that's all it gives you and I think this ties back to Vega frontier edition where if you these because you actually could change these then we can't now frontier Edition drivers if you change these it would drop your HBM frequency to 500 megahertz would have it and with what tool it will show you those those other values so what tool will show us here you go see the wall tool shows us one through four five as well but it does just don't don't mess with it wot man there's a reason it only shows us the last two and that's why I'm only adjusting the last two because it's buggy next question is a Shawn can you explain the difference between Andy's new power management on Vega versus previous cards or are they the same new power management on Vega versus previous not right now I need to read the white paper honestly I'm just you know we got the card I tested it so my knowledge right now is technician technician level knowledge of testing the thin and experiencing how it works and things like that I don't actually know all the details on that unfortunately next question bonus what do you think the highest stable clock you get on thread Ripper 1950 X he's in a custom loop is no idea I think we overclocked to four gigahertz and I've seen people do 4.1 I think I saw one person do 4.2 the ln2 folks we interviewed did 5.2 I know there was a record set at five point three or four something like that so I'm really not that's not a I don't I haven't followed thread reference Baker can that is there a chance IV partners can improve on power draw efficiency by using better parts and how much other restriction to voltage and power draw would they be able to eliminate on their card so this is what we've been talking with them a lot yeah there will be improvement what the biggest thing I'm asking the board partners is with BIOS the question is will you guys also lock BIOS as part of the alleged Microsoft secure platform initiative that Andy is taking which they decided we're gonna lock BIOS and make it so that you can flash it but you can't modify it you can't rename the BIOS you can't change the power offset so working with build Zoid I tried to offset the card 100% power and we even just tried changing the name of the bios and we can flash it on there with ati flash but it will not initialize the display and put anything out so you flash back to where it was and it works fine so this is part of what Andy is saying is a compliance with Microsoft secure boot protocol I suppose how valid that is of an explanation I'm not sure right now I need to look into it but that's what they say so we took that and we reached out to the board partner just getting back to your question and asks will you guys also be forcing these requirements where people can't flash BIOS because if they have them first off there's a dual BIOS chip why can't I flash it why is it on there if I can't do anything with it anyway all that's doing is giving me a switch to save myself from when it doesn't work because of their own secure boot requirements so I'm not really sure but if you have to a BIOS I feel like there should be leverage or room in there working with Microsoft if that is actually the problem to make one of them in overclockers BIOS where you can tune stuff and to build Zoids point that he made earlier today when I was talking with him motherboards conform to this secure boot protocol and have for a while but you can still adjust ram timings and those and other things so why is it a limitation here I think there's room to play and I hope a IV partners actually take note that people want the ability to flash bios because this vrm and the GPU can handle more than what we're giving it right now and what we're able to so I hope to see that I also hope to see well I don't I don't know that we'll see voltage tuning we will see pre overclocks for sure some of the liquid gold cards from board partners as opposed to around 17 well okay this is month old information but 70 hundred megahertz was what I was hearing then for Vega 64 for liquid cooled cards I'm not sure if it actually came out to be that and Zeta is typing in one more question to me so I'm gonna check that before moving on to this by the way this is still stable we're at 15 63 megahertz which is really pretty damn good as a reminder we were at 15 33 when we okay let's let's walk through it so we were at from memory at one point I please consider 1,200 we were at 14 84 or something like that somewhere in 1162 11 80 range we were at 15 38 or 3 and then now where are we we are currently running on 1080 so we're currently on 10 80 millivolts and it's actually working this time which is nice and we're at 15 63 with a 4% frequency offset let me just save this okay so we've got a guide here now if this crashes and I have to redo it all right next couple before I move on wishbone five dollars thank you Andy jumped up the prices to $600 your thoughts and why would they shoot themselves in the foot so to speak so according to Zeta helped out by googling this a little bit and says he hasn't found an update on this so basically this question comes down to there was the note there's two things right there's a prize which is clearly more expensive and then there was the statement by overclockers UK I think and I haven't heard an official statement from Andy talking about prices yet so I don't know if they did that or the retail partners are doing that Andy as they told us their direct quote in the at the press event to a roomful of media was we can't put a gun into the retailer's heads and you know implied Delon what price to set so I don't know if if the prices are really up $100 that's a huge deal to be fair and videos prices are also up right now so it ultimately comes down to where they fall once the stock stabilizes a bit I will give you my thoughts on the pact though we shot a video on this didn't air it we might revisit it or something but the pacts turned out a lot differently than I was expecting the way I thought it would work is you go to new egg you add the card to your cart and it says hey we gave you these discount coupons you can use them if you want to otherwise just buy the card and it's an extra $100 or whatever it may be unfortunately the way it actually worked out was they bundled the cards in with the other hardware simultaneous so there's like 12 different listings on new AG or something you can add any one of those 12 it comes with the pre-selected motherboard CPU and monitor in the US another issue with these and the discounts theoretically pre-applied you have no control over what's added to them beyond what they give you and it's sometimes they're extremely weird configurations like the really kind of the msi xb-70 titanium board that builds read analyze on our channel which has an unimpressive vrm especially for the price bundled with RX Vega and 1700 ax and 1800 X parts only it's kind of I do not like the packs I'll go on record with that now I think they could have been done better it is clearly an attempt at trying to make sure Andy's not losing money on the Vega cards because that HBM to cost a lot of money it's it is not insignificant we're trying to get an official statement on the price but I have some ideas the vrm is actually really nice on Vega 56 they're using the same PCB on vrm that they are on vfe everything's pretty expensive it's a huge die so I think the packs are basically saying how do we recoup money from other areas of our ecosystem the CPU in the motherboard to account for what might be a loss leader negative 56 I'm not sure about Vega 64 those are my thoughts on it right now but let's let's go back to this so we're stable at 1563 megahertz we're doing pretty well actually we're at 1080 millivolts we're at twenty one point six amps so we're down we were again we were at a 25 when we started so we're doing well overall looks pretty good let's see where we crash let's go up to 5% again just a refresh where this seems to be working better right now then manually entering the frequencies as Paul also noted this to me when we were talking during the review period right 1573 megahertz so 10 80 millivolts what'd I say we're at 15 setback songs in 1573 now let's do this way four percent and what do we did I play it and I were at five percent apply we are currently at 1588 6% we're just waiting for it to crash if you don't want to do more testing than this obviously but it's gonna give us a ballpark idea 1080 1600 megahertz now looking pretty good what's our power we're at this this scale is like insane so probably ignore this the scale the scale is 21.5 that twenty two point one we're at 22 so not really much change on the power consumption so we're actually still ahead for power consumption and we're still ahead four o'clock what was this seven percent now now we're cooking now we're off to the races apply eight percent 1080 1609 it's gonna crash at some point it might crash sooner in in games then we may have just crashed actually crash sooner in games than in fire strikes sometimes depending on the game The Witcher 3 seems pretty bad about it so we crashed at an 8 percent offset we're doing four amps lower than we were with just the power target offset which is great we have a clock that is up from a reported what was the reported number 14 84 so our reported number was 14 84 on the clock when we did just the 50% off set at 1200 millivolts and now we're down to 10 80 millivolts and we were able to offset the clock to 16 something 16:09 kind of crashed at that point so we're gonna have to pull it down a little bit but we're able to do all this with a lower power throughput and do just fine on clocks there's really nothing to be upset about with those at this point so this is an area where if you get the card you'll have room to play with it and he's not going to do it for you because they want to hit the lowest common denominator and make sure that everything works or some other reason that they didn't tell us but that's kind of the assumes reason if I'm on it okay Vega notes all right so let's do this one more time and I'm gonna start messing with HBM next hbm's had a much bigger impact for us than clocks the frequency of the core I should say and to the point where from memory and the review I talked about this doing HBM and doing a power offset power offset alone 50% offset from stock gave us about 12% boosted performance power offset with HBM I think gave us another 4% something like that it's somewhere between 3.8 and 6% I can't remember I'll thought my head but it's in the review this isn't winded and so the two together is really where you should be once we did frequency tuning it was getting us no extra performance it just wasn't even worth it I think we're doing a 9% offset and we were getting the clocks higher but it just wasn't really doing anything for us okay so we want this to be windowed and looping I guess looping doesn't matter cause we're gonna be in demo mode and frozen okay Gert arctor said when you have such a small amount of time to review a product how do you choose what to prioritize what to test when you guys are in such a rush do you set limits on thousand times definitely that's a good question so the the way I do it is more or less you look at the amount of time you have we kind of know how much time it takes to do certain types of tests because we've done them so many times so this actually happened with Vega 56 where I'm sitting there thinking five hours before embargo lift while also having to edit the video because andrew was out you thinking like can I fit in under volt in while doing this and I tried but I started encountering the problems we're having here today where it just doesn't quite apply or I don't quite understand what's going on because the product so new and I'm learning here today so there's like this is great I wish I have this much time behind the scenes to review it but yeah so you look at those things you're like okay I know it's going to take me two to three hours to benchmark the games again so do I have enough time to undervolt it and do that not really so I don't have time to overclock it and run one or two tests okay maybe I can get one in there and then otherwise you're looking at what things do you like the most so for me I really like doing thermal tests I know that we do them pretty well we do vrm temperature testing and stuff like that which you don't really see elsewhere and we had power tests in there which I found really important and fun to do and those things you kind of look at them and you think well I think other people will handle the game benchmarking really well I don't know that I can certainly contribute to the pool of data but I don't know that I am going to be the biggest point of data for gaming benchmarks so what can I contribute that's unique and that might give us some insight ok we can do power stuff we can do some thermal stuff that's kind of how I decide and then you just run the test until you run out of time cuz generally my belief right now is if you're not using all the time you have up until embargo you're really not using your time correctly there's of course a lot more to that and every outfits gonna be different but with ours that's how I view it and there's nothing wrong with doing it differently but that's how I do it alright so that's just a one more time here go through I think we crashed at seven or eight percent so let's bring this down to six oh wait I need to do the power off set the watt man actually is is kind of behaving right now so that's good that's really unexpected at this point let's try a twenty two hundred with see if it get away with it without blowing out the audio okay gpu-z which is kind of working frequencies offset already for at 1200 millivolts right now let's go to 1099'd apply okay we've already increased our clock quite a bit so we just went out from fifteen twenty five to fifteen ninety six and I brought the voltage up so we're not really saving a lot of power right now we're only saving about 24 watts off with just the power offset so ten nine the fifteen ninety five six percent okay let's leave that there let's stop messing with that what can we do here ten eighty yeah I should start a new column here that's gonna be amps I don't have a multimeter hooked up to this right now we're at 25 earlier okay let's go down on that we are at 1587 we've lost some of the frequency not a lot though this is 1080 1587 6% 21 8 ish plus or minus point one on this okay and 70 how low can we go before it becomes no longer worth it from Clark dropping or crashing 1583 lost on their four megahertz six percent offset still 21.5 just clear progression that's what makes the spot is like actually seeing a change work seems to be working better than earlier than what was anyway it really just depends on what order you're doing things and how lucky you are with the tools that's a lot of that time 1560 1575 six percent 20.8 amps and then what else can we do that say let's see like let's set a floor of where where did we start fourteen eighty four and then with where did we start here without the okay we start our offset with fifteen twenty five so at twelve hundred we're at 1525 with a 6% offset and now we're still ahead we're ahead 50 megahertz which is actually pretty damn good and we're down quite a few watts so let's set a floor of 1550 before we stop and call it no longer worth it because that'll still be a 25 megahertz offset for good power savings so 10:40 1559 okay that's about 15 6 yeah 15:59 6% 19.9 and maybe another 10 millivolts in there 1030 so where are we now 1550 that's what our goal is 1550 and we were at 19 that 3 or 2 19.2 not bad so we are up 25 megahertz and we're down on power consumption what happens if I do this is he going to try and go back up or are we just gonna crash haven't crashed yet we're gonna need to start an actual benchmark runnings and really force it to crash but this might do it at some point so eight percent offset we're back up 1571 what's her power 19.3 we haven't increased power really okay well let's leave it there for a minute I don't let this run see if it crashes or not yep so there's there's our crashing fine once we got it running all right I think any more questions I'm gonna probably start working on I'll show off HP I'm to stuff next I think we kind of gave the idea of a undervolt at this point it takes a lot of guessing and checking right now and you just have to make a get to a decision point where you basically need to decide how much more am I willing to sacrifice frequency to save on power and the numbers we were at a second ago seemed pretty good for a starting point I think you could do better but certainly with a partner card but I'm not gonna sit here and do that all day so we'll do HBM to next because I'm sure this is under building stuffs probably getting a little boring at this point you can kind of predict where it's going we're starting to bottom out so let's uh show the HBM t stuff okay questions are can you make lighter color shirts new design please this is a new design or you can light your color of the new design this is the anniversary edition shirt I probably I probably should have looked into the mic sorry so anniversary edition shirt is the newest design we have them in teal and in grey color on the tri-blend and black cotton shirts next one splendor solace what kind of music do you listen to I find your hair attractive okay mostly the Parkway Drive and Trivium and things like that right now wishbone five dollars thank you very much are you gonna be testing a C's 1440p 144 Hertz display with freesync two I'm not sure you for adaptive sink testing I really want to start figuring out some objective measurement of what it's doing and I think we'll get there but I'm not sure I'm not sure what the timeline looks like so not planning on it right now okay all right so that's where we ended up for now with this procedure so where does that put us let's just kind of wrap this end of the story line up so at nineteen point two and we could do a little better but let's just call it there for now we're at 236 watts at the PCIe cables we're at plus what's our difference 1550 versus 1484 with the power off said only that's probably I should probably do it with a complete stock to you honestly but we'll stop there for now so what are we doing here 1550 1484 so we're up 66 megahertz and we are down how much this is just stock clocks with the offset right here 25 amp so we're at 50 percent offset so we were down from top to bottom it's 300 7-2 36.1 671 so we're down 71 watts from the power offset mode and we are up what I say it was sixteen - sixteen point five for a complete stock so 202 it's call it 203 so that's really not bad I mean I'll take that what does hit 236 I'm going to give that much precision 236 - so we're at 33 watt which is what we showed in the review but I think it's a test in games so we're 30 3 Watts that's at least consistent without we saw in the review 33 Watts over complete stock and we've boosted the clock to 1550 megahertz and it's stable and it's consistent and it's not fluctuating that much so I'm really pretty happy with that result and even better that you could do better if you you could do better x equals x if even better that you could boost this if you wanted to spend more time on it you had a a IB partner card something like that so let's stop there that looks good last thing to do on stream just to kind of show everyone is the HBM to you stuff so if anyone by the way if anyone's gonna like report or talk about our results somewhere reddit or forums or whatever these are the numbers you're gonna want to give them for right now until we have time to do more and please make a note if there's more that needs to be done but the numbers to give people if you're referencing this on stream testing are gonna be 236 watts at the cables and we were at a 1030 millivolt entry manually into watt man we were at 1550 megahertz after a 6 percent offset and a Walkman and that needs to be stability tested so please know that and we're at nineteen point two amps so that gives us our power so really not bad you just stability ties but we'll do that off stream since it's gonna take a while a lot of guessing and checking ok last thing I said we do HBM so let's we're getting away so far with this fan speed so let's keep doing that I just blasted that fall if we were an on stream but it's cheap easy you know if anyone watches this later he just post that in the comments or something okay what do we want to do now we're gonna leave this alone okay so let me just demo this live I'll answer questions while we're on fire strike so let's everything reset all the stuff just everything reset and fire strike so we're just going to do the same thing I did behind the scenes except more it in a more demonstrative way no demo we're just gonna run fire strike 1080p and let it actually you know what we don't need everything we only need a really the graphics test so we can save some time on that so we're just gonna run this stock see what the score is graphic score increase the power see what the score is and this is all stuff I did more officially in the review but it doesn't hurt to just show everyone live how it works out and I'm gonna do this window just so we can keep an eye on things so there we go that's gonna run stock and while that's getting started see if there any questions can you do crossfire so someone else asked earlier have we tested a dual card crossfire no we haven't I only have one for this launch yes and someone else has to need a quad no definitely not right now if we get that many sure primitive discard accelerator and draw stream bending rasterizer are disabled now shaders have issues with anti-aliasing how much performance is sitting on the table from unabled vague or harbour features has that been confirmed this time I know so I know it was for frontier edition someone confirmed with us okay there's a communication problem here somewhere one person told us an architect that DSP R was in fact disabled for frontier edition and another architect else it would be enabled for our active Vega more recently I had a conversation with someone also at AMD who thought that DSP R was enabled in frontier Edition but not fully functional so maybe not a huge difference there and improved in rx so that's where that's where my latest official knowledge from them stance is that it's on but maybe there's more room what I'm seeing in this comment and a couple other places online is that it's disabled so I'm curious where how people are testing to determine that I know so AMD was telling me that the tool that David Cantor used in his presentation showing the title based rasterization apparently that's not really functioning correctly with Vega so I was told not to trust that tool because it missed reports if that's the case and that tool is what's being used to determine if the SPR is on or off then maybe it's incorrect so I unfortunately I don't know what the current status is because I've been told a few different things by a few different officials so that's that's my knowledge right now yeah that's that's about where I am right now if if it's all enabled then I guess we're kind of seeing Vega as performance - whatever driver improvements come okay so very quickly here I'm not gonna bother opening a spreadsheet or anything we're just gonna kind of type in scores so stock this is all like firestrike testing stock we're at eighteen eight nine - and that there is some fluctuation there so let's do this again this time with an offset we're only going to increase the power target nothing else we're not changing the frequencies let me just double check now changing the frequencies not changing the HBM not changing the fan even though that won't matter let's apply that and let it run fire strike okay everything looks good what was our frequency there we were hidden okay reported frequencies in the 1300 I don't know if that's accurate or not I've been told it's it's maybe not but that's what we're seeing at least any more questions here while this one runs bundle price is $600 the bundle price per chance technically yes I don't know if that's where it's gonna finalize though but technically yes for 464 worked on 56 right now here's axis when you're flying builds I'd to the US you guys can have a Super Saiyan hair at all you know I don't know that that I want to get into a hair overclocking battle with build Zoid I think he may overclock his hair a little bit more efficiently if you've seen his photos but less efficiently I guess he's not really big on efficiency is he big on more power how come a card like Vega can have a higher tariffs operating than 1080 but perform the same or worse in games there's a common question teraflops not really a great measure of anything gaming wise it doesn't really linearly give you anything to work with I kind of you can kind of extrapolate performance especially within architectures but it's just it's just not a good measurement of performance in gaming think of those really well in compute though you can use teraflops kind of figure that out see I don't think Andy expects to get more much more from any driver optimization yeah I'm not really sure either can we see some overclocking and hashing I don't have any of that set up right now and I don't really know how to set up the e3m stuff so when I go with no on that but I think some other I think Anthony from tweak down did a test on it and he's kind of the authority on the media side with mining right now I mean he's got half of his house dedicated to mining so check his stuff out from what I've been told there's more room in there but it depends on if you're using private miners or not I'm not really sure what that means but it's something like 30 mega hashes right now I guess think would being the best channel on YouTube thank you are you saying that vevo music is not the best channel or PewDiePie what else do we have not seen any more right now okay so we got a score so stock stock plus 50 27 69 let's just do it quick what's our improvement there twenty eight seven six nine minus 18 eight eight nine - eight - nine - so we've got like a nine point nine percent improvement okay that's our baseline and you'd want to run these multiple times really be sure but yeah stream testing so next one let's do an HB I'm only offset so I know this is stable at 980 I feel more comfortable at 950 so let's do 950 and you don't really from what builds oh it was Tommy you don't need to play with this voltage I think this is the voltage controller voltage or something but it didn't seem to matter too much everything else is the same we've offset HBM by 150 megahertz and we're gonna run this one more time yes 150 megahertz okay alright so we're gonna see what that is now and then I'll do a clock offset and theoretically if it's the same as the review you'll see that it doesn't really impact much and that you're better off just doing HBM - if Andy is dead set on sticking with that secure boot protocol by Microsoft they won't unlock bios of modding you will see we're kind of talking to them about that they've expressed depends who you talk to you there's been interest expressed and maybe working on that but depends on how high up the chain it goes if it's if it's a media phasing people it that doesn't really necessarily mean a lot they might want it but that doesn't mean that the higher-ups care or that even the agreements with Microsoft would stand or whatever can you fix the brightness and color see his face is red the answer I'm getting from Andrew is if we'd normally process it through premiere okay that's running so the over Clarke's running or the benchmark with HB I'm only have even builds I'd met no I was hoping that get to meet them at at Computex but it didn't happen this year maybe next year six someone saying okay I don't know if that's okay that's maybe not relevant here your audio is off it shouldn't be it's where the audio is going in with the video through the same feed so I don't it shouldn't be that's disabled in secure boot in your BIOS matter if this I don't think so I haven't explicitly tried that but as I understand it that's not what's what's preventing us yes so this is a good point about secure boot with a registry treat tweak you can disable it so we did some registry stuff not to secure boot but to the what do we do power table stuff and it works with Vega frontier Edition builds I was doing something like 400 watts on his card so I was working but it doesn't work on 56 yet we're waiting for helm to look into that and see if it can be applied to 56 as well because you can get around the secure stuff with a registry tweak and it is pretty easy to apply just a matter of does it work I guess we're not really at stock and where are we HBM plus 950 let's cause stock for the clogs okay so now we are at 21 to 6 6 0 what's our improvement here not a big one 6 6 0 the cycle it seems a little bit off actually and wait a minute why is that looking like that ok well whatever some 6 9 you know it maybe this is okay 27 6 9 is that right yeah that's about right actually that's alright 4.3 percent okay so now let's do one more at least let's just go ahead and do an offset that I know is gonna work which is 9 percent apply and a launch and then we're gonna see how much that matters with the HBM overclock we do a bit more at 9 80 megahertz on hpm but I know 950 stable so that's what we're at pot even says 10 Saudi versus Vega rx 56 for gaming and 3d rendering Maya Adobe Premiere there are so a friend of mine runs the site tek.gadg tek.gadg calm right now I think he basically just only those articles and his review of big I think it has 64 and 56 his reviews got a ton of work station stuff he actually found 64 to be a pretty damn good workstation card interestingly I would encourage you to check out his content to answer your question of Maya 3d rendering and Adobe Premiere because he tested all that stuff and I did not so I think he has your answer for sure tech we love what microphone do you use like what do you like to use for this and other recordings Hart you and your channel family by the way thank you so we're using a sennheiser set up wireless lab setup we have a reporter Mike I've talked about this in the past we have a reporter Mike for shows you stick Mike and then we don't really use a shotgun anymore it's pretty much just labs for everything at this point it's it's an expensive setup though it's definitely not cheap to do Wireless labs but they haven't failed us we got interference every now and then that shows but nothing too bad ten dollars thank you it looks sir he says hope you're having a great day I hope you're having a great day my day is is much better now that we've got the under bolting more understood I mean like I said this is not me saying I'm an expert in this let me teach you this is me saying let me learn trial-by-fire on a live stream with buggy drivers that's what the point of this wise so yes is going quite well now that we better understand under both in we know kind of where the bounds are I've given some numbers on it for anyone who wants to post those elsewhere I don't think I might recap it somewhere but yeah it's it's going pretty well so thank you okay what's our score so we are HBM nine fifty plus nine percent on the clock twenty two two through eight and that is what oops Ramananda it's 2.6 so that's about what we've seen previously let me just read you I'm not kind of half bacon hey let me type that in just make sure to - 21 six six zero one six zero okay yeah so this number we are 2.6 percent ahead of HBM only with the core overclock with nine percent it gets unstable after this in my testing so you cannot really exciting this is much better to do actually this is the best to do yeah earlier in the review I think we're saying twelve percent so it just depends on how many times you run fire strike because it does have some variance and then here so we are 4.3 percent over the 50 percent to only offset and what do we do if we are let's take these final two numbers so twenty one six six zero is the score for HBM offset 950 - 950 megahertz so we take that from stock rather than from the power offset what is our gain we're at about fifteen percent and I again I think we're seeing nineteen for the review so something something's a little different here but either way I've got this set up the system is set up a little bit differently so that may be part of it either way just kind of notes to myself here HBM 950 versus stock or getting fourteen point seven percent boost and then if we do core + HB m versus stock we're at 17% Pierce Spock okay so 17.6 sure gain so that's where we're where we stand right now you can do a bit more because I did it for the review but that's kind of roughly where we are so basically yeah you get a lot just from this it's kind of where it falls and we can do more maybe one mores worth it let's do one more I know we're gonna crash at nine point five not at 10 percent debuffs we're not gonna bother there and let's just maybe this is what I did differently in the review I have this set the 4900 rpm so there was no right not know actually this allow it was three 3,000 rpm which that money kept temperatures down to me that's part of it last one guys last one that we're gonna wrap up the stream run customer okay see how it goes a really interesting stream Thanks thank you for the $5 support much appreciate it helps us a lot I'm sure we will be using this after the stream ends to go get some local fast food I was going to name them but frankly they should be sponsoring us at this point so well we'll see you know who you are we actually we walked in there once I don't know the guys who works there made a joke about being celebrities and so I guess he saw maybe someone out there knows the answer to this we've been trying to figure this out for months the guy who were accept the the fast-food place we'd like to go through he said he saw me in some kind of roundup video bye what were they called the Cosmo Jew WatchMojo so apparently a channel called WatchMojo which is pretty big channel included I don't know if it was us or a product I was talking about in a WatchMojo video and he said to me how much did you guys get for that I was like what do you mean like like money they owe their didn't pay us anything I even know they existed so thanks but yes thank you for the $5 really interesting stream thanks yep it's not here my hub says are using the public drivers no we are using a press driver I think it is called beta six a it is the one that came out just before the public driver I'm not sure if the public driver is different from that one or not it might be a little different and if that's the case and you might be able to do better than I'm doing here today with that version but I already knew this how this one behaved kind of so I wanted to use that thank you for the honesty and testing and discovery by Nicolas Hinton thank you for for acknowledging it and for watching yeah we're trying to kind of learn this live because I mean yeah there's a really limited launch window and we don't often get it normally this stuff we all do we do all of it in the week leading to launch so there's not much point in doing it live but if I'm going to be learning this today anyway I might as well learn it on stream and everyone can see all of the mistakes like well mistakes and crashing and driver bugs all that stuff all at once so we can get it all our way okay so we got a score what is this where this is core what are we doing this was a 90 HBM so core Plus let's call this 980 hona know what that means plus 950 and we're at 9% core here what's our gain I should be typing this down actually so 9% for and 980 HBM is giving us two six five nine okay 1889 2/10 - so our performance gained not bad 20 percent increase from overclocking what was our power during all that it looks like we're at about 25 amps remember we're not under voltage right now we're just overclocked I went the opposite direction with this and moved on from under bolting are under bolting results if you missed them or all up here we ended up at tenth power here it is right here there's these the numbers we care about baby no no those funds the bottom right we ended up at 10 30 millivolts 236 watts of the cables so we were 66 megahertz up and 71 watts reduced from baseline of the 50% power to offset only we're really pretty good now for the overclocking section we've got vs. stock 50% offset only we're at a gain of 10% the important thing here is if you want to not put a lot of effort into this and you buy this card this is a 56 the power offset is gonna help you a lot because you 10% performance you also increase your power consumption by about a hundred watts 210 watts so if you want to counter the power consumption increase with the performance gain you can do this stuff up here which is gonna be manually guessing and checking but you'll get it eventually and in this instance what happens is we go down from 310 watts to 236 watts with a good clock and does this have enough visibility yet so we're sitting at 1515 50 to 60 100 in here assuming that's somewhat accurate anyway so that's the takeaway is you know if you don't want to do a lot of effort do this thing 50 percent offset and then find some numbers here that work you know maybe not gonna be able to copy mine but it gives you a starting point here you start around here and you end up with 30 Watts more power consumption over stock with roughly a 10% performance increase that's not a bad trade and then if you want to increase others if you can do it at you know at your own leisure but this is where we are today so I'm gonna stop there that's enough for the stream there's a lot more we can do with this frankly I'd like to get the hybrid model here first so we're gonna liquid cool this first and see see how far we can go with a better cooling solution I could go a bit further on this then I think if I increase the fans 100% but it's just not stream friendly there's 70 decibels so it's gonna be right under where my talking level is so yeah that's that's what we're looking at keep an eye out for the hybrid mod we posted the teardown part 1 today if you haven't seen it on the channel check out the channel youtube.com slash gamers nexus the tear downs up you can see the teardown but I'll save you some time if you've seen our frontier edition coverage it's the same PCB same vrm same construction different screws that's what it comes down to so we need to do the hybrid stuff next let me read through the last few questions here and then I will close out trench X spike says do you think Vega instinct as I tell you right now there's getting into territory where it's it's kind of out of what I study do you think Vega instinct and the work station cards use the same PCBs the other Vega cards sort of as a way to subsidize okay that's a good question the part of the product line so I'll answer this on the or outside I think Vega 56 64 and Fe is the same part because if they're doing low volume production on frontier Edition and they're buying the PCB already then they can buy a lot of that PCV a lot of that vrm and just ship all the cards on the same thing it probably simplifies their warehouse and storage costs it simplifies the manufacturing cost it make sure they meet moq for Vega frontier Edition which they might not have otherwise without the 64 and 56 cards I don't know about indistinct oh I'm sorry a Lynch Steve what is the ambience in there it's better than well it feels better this time last time we did this tree was like 78 Fahrenheit so I think it was 2060 or something so it was really it was pretty uncomfortable and I was sweating but it's bit lower this time we found out one of the vents for the AC was closed so I open that up blade McKenzie there $0.35 thank you very much how do you think the 980ti would compare it to the vega 56 of both overclocked i'm not going to say what i think cuz i think we haven't measured i somewhat i think we have a 980 i reference and at least one of those charts in the review if if we don't I'm sorry I'll try and run the test but I think it's in their stock so that gives you a baseline then you can just kind of extrapolate based on how far people normally overclock or how far your ears over clocks okay so this is a great tutorial for minors someone says what wasn't the intention I I guess you'd probably apply some of that there okay I've never seen you sweat you know I'll point out again we have a GN Steve channel where I do downhill mountain biking so there's some of that in there I need to upload more videos but yeah I think that's about it for the stream everyone so thank you for watching as always you can help us out directly at patreon.com slash gamers and access this shirt if you like it is the anniversary edition shirt it actually has a PCB and vrm components on it I would not advise you to try and build the PCB based off of it but it looks pretty cool so that's on the story gamers Nexus that squarespace.com and otherwise the last few times I've tried to end a stream it just a roughly interrupts me because I click stop streaming so I think we have to wait for all of the words to finish going through a system or unplug HDMI but thank you for watching you can go to the channel for more subscribe all that and I think I think all the important stuff is out now I think you've probably heard the disclaimer about the stream is about to be cut off until someone comments and tells me how to end a stream so I will leave it at that I'll see you all next time just wait for it to end okay
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