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hey Ron we're doing a community update video talking about some of the stuff that's been going on behind the scenes lately I'm going to be joined by a special guest host this week though she's a bit late showing up for the show it seems like well there you go right there so snowflake joining me we upgraded our camera obviously you need a cat to show off camera upgrades and then we've got some other stuff that I would like you all to chime in on including testing methodology for streaming so I've got some straw polls below I'll talk about all that in this video along with some of thoughts on PCIe content the stuff that just went live got some further thoughts on that it didn't make it into that video and our future of potentially streaming so stay tuned for that before getting to that this content is brought to you by EVGA and their 1080p is c2 card which we reviewed recently the 1080 is c2 is a $750 card that's positioned right in the middle of the pack of the market but does have an advanced cooling solution you can learn more about that in our earlier review click the link below for more information so let's start with the camera upgrades first you may have noticed that we've just gone to 4k video this is our previous workhorse camera and the 4k stuff started this week so we've got a couple up now it has all kinds of new challenges associated with it but the big thing is that it's not just a 4k upgrade personally I don't really care that much about just having 4k I wanted a better sensor first and I wanted better low-light better noise reduction and all those things just happen to come along with 4k so that means our camera upgrade will be a lot better with things like low-light shooting especially because at conventions we're going to be shooting still in 1080p for a lot of reasons mainly size of the files and moving down to 1080p with the 4k sensor on this camera it's a Panasonic u X 180 means that we'll have better noise reduction sort of built in and some free gain more or less some free exposure because we're going down to 1080 so that's all great things it means that we won't need the $400 big light on top of the camera all the time and it is I mean it's really all the time for those shows this thing is great but the sensor is one third of the size of the sensor that's in the taking the shot right now this is a it's a workhorse it's 28 megabits per second for the video 1080p 60fps Canon XA 20 is the name it's about $2,000 we're still going to use it for multicam shots in the future with interviews probably with Chris Roberts being one of them as an option but other than that we're mostly moving to the new UX 180 and just to show the differences and show the camera that's shooting right now we're going to switch back to this one and then you can watch the next president view on this camera while I show you the new camera so this is the new camera quite a bit larger it's about two times in terms of length it's a bit taller as well so we'll have some travel challenges but nothing terrible we can fit it on plane still so not a big deal this is the Panasonic UX 180 just bought it in the last week or so the biggest thing here is it's a larger camera this actually helps us because it should sort of help study the shots it will absorb more of the shake and it's got a good heft to it which really makes it easy to maneuver the ergonomics also are very good so this grip kind of support at the thumb or you can hold it at the top and then it braces really nicely against the body if you were if someone were doing a follow cam shot like Keegan did when we did the type-a computer market tour so very good upgrade overall the big thing here I know a lot of youtubers shoot with DSLRs I don't really like them for what we do so you have to remember that from my perspective we got into video strictly for conventions so when you live that way you're really concerned more about like how do we set up and get the shot quickly so it's RNG or Eng electronic newsgathering or running gun would be the two terms to describe the way we use cameras in the field and having a larger camera like this has some downsides but in terms of preference I like having all these buttons right here and I'm not only the one operating the camera but it means that we can get to stuff like white balance or like gain or shutter or iris all this stuff very quickly and control it we've got the three knobs as you would expect on a lens so you've got focus zoom aperture and then for other stuff there actually I think 10 user configurable buttons so we go through the Medi the menu settings and configure all the buttons to do basically whatever we want specific to an environment you can also set scene files for a specific shoot setup like a roll like this and have it all pre-configured and then in terms of just usability it's a lot better but we also have cool features like a better display that's easier to see fold in and out like that flips around all that stuff kind of standard for the most part and then also a viewfinder that's now actually usable the Canon acts 8:22 viewfinder is the worst thing I've ever used for viewfinder overall it's a huge upgrade in terms of technology this is a one inch sensor so it's three times the size of the previous one and you can gather more light as a result we also can shoot at 200 megabits per second max but we're shooting 150 megabits per second for the 4k videos and then when we render out where we're coming down from there as you would expect because YouTube can't do much with 150 anyway the file sizes would just be stupid to give you an idea of what that looks like shooting at 150 megabits per second means that if you've got an average length of 40 minutes so if we shoot a roll for 40 minutes let me shoot a beat or a roll for 20 minutes I wish you'd be roll for 20 minutes that's a total of 40 minutes of footage for a potential video like a review and multiply that by 60 you end up with 2,400 seconds times 150 megabits per second divide that by 8 to get bytes and you end up with about 45 gigabytes per shoot so we have some challenges there we'll be talking about at some point but we've mostly got a solution in place already it's just a matter when we talk more about how it works so that's that's the camera upgrade it's just it's better quality for everything it's easier to use the shots will be better the lens is a whole lot better than the previous one so we can do more work with it and then there's all kinds of features on the camera that will make things much easier in those convention environments and again this makes more sense for us than DSLRs because is it's basically a crew it's always one other person with me so I'm not the only operator basically unlike some of the personality driven channels where they might be the only person operating the camera and the information gathering so I could understand why you'd want DSLR for that but that's what we've got there so we're going to switch back to this camera and then go through the rest of the stuff like the streaming updates so that was the new camera I'm really pleased with the ergonomics on it it'll be great for follow shots through things like again marketplaces or just Convention Center booths all that stuff and we're going to be using that going forward but let's get to some of the streaming clubs so first of all we tried doing some streaming tests for the first time where we're actually benchmarking output performance streaming to a service through OBS and I want some of your settings if you are a streamer so here's what I want to know we're going to put two links to survey sites below it'll probably be strawpoll or something like that and one of them will be about what encoder you use and what encoder setting to use if you are a streamer and the other one is going to be about the bit rate that you stream at I posted one of these on Twitter but we were too limited an options really so chief with it so basically what I'm looking for is what's the most common use case in our community so that I can build that into our testing and start testing for it in streaming benchmarks going forward we did the dual streaming tests I liked how it worked but I think for for going forward the plan is probably to focus on single streams I'm not sure if I'm going to focus on twitch or YouTube probably I part of me says twitch because it's so popular part of me says YouTube because it's got a higher bitrate cap and I'm more familiar with it so if you have thoughts on that as well I guess post them in the comments below which would streaming service you prefer to use as a viewer or as a streamer and we'll consider that as well but we'll be doing some more of those the single stream testing will definitely take priority because most of stuff we're testing is going to be a single stream ready not really dual stream through two OBS instances ready and I've also heard about some software to like restream or websites like restream not familiar with it the streaming stuff as a streamer is still new to me for testing so if you use restream I'm also curious if there are any major downsides to it where you would rather use hardware encoding twice in other words encode the stream two times and output it twice versus using a restream service so again are there any downsides to a restream service that would be relevant to you so that's what I want to know that will help me build our testing methodology for stream tests going forward and it is it's such a community thing that so many people are involved with I think that the approach to building methods for testing streaming should probably involve some portion of the users because again it's it's big and a lot of people have experience with it so that's that the next thing also in streaming news we now have a set ups in terms of hardware that can connect that leads to this camera if not the new one and feed-through laptop and these live streams from our channel that you could watch to not not benchmarking so I want to start doing those I'm thinking maybe next week from the posting of this video we'll try one probably start with something like a simple teardown and and just do it live as they say do a teardown see how it goes and maybe do some more streaming content like that going forward now to address some discussions I had in the patreon discord chat that really won't impact the quality or quantity of content coming from us otherwise because my idea of how to stream because of our production cycle and because of our habits with media content creation my idea is I should be able to more or less walk into a room turn a few things on and start streaming and then just do something I normally would be doing anyway that day for example when I put the crack in G 12 on the armored card that would have been actually pretty cool thing to stream and we weren't making content about it anyway so it wouldn't slow anything down it would just be part of the normal review process and you get an earlier look at some of the stuff we're doing without interrupting the content quality or quantity normally so that's a consideration stay around for that and make sure you're following on Twitter so that you can get the updates when we do decide to try a stream and other stuff I had some thoughts on the PCIe content so again this is just like a community update video which is is really just going through a lot of the stuff the last week or so so the PCIe thetan with Intel the main point of that was to discuss their marketing language I cannot stand marketing language that seems like just marketing language there's got to be something behind it so that's why we went at that from an angle of okay we're going to use two different CPUs because the language says 7700 K and 1700 X or whatever so we're gonna test two different CPUs now normally what we've done with PGI elane assignment testing is you use the same CPU so you control for that and you control to the cache and speeds and all that stuff and we control for some of that with cross-platform but not everything like cache so you normally control for that stuff and then you just change the generation of the pci-e socket which are reports you're using you basically change the bandwidth going through them based on what hardware you're using to test that's what we've done in the past if we were doing a standalone dual by 16 versus dual by 8 benchmarked that's what I would do for it but again the point was really to just really seriously spend a lot of time addressing that marketing language and talking about how it actually performs relative to what their claims were because the way I position our outlet is to challenge those claims and make sure they're accurate and if they're not then hopefully you would hope manufacturers don't continue making inaccurate claims in the future that's a very idealistic thing to say but there's some impact sometimes so that's the way I approach these things from an objective test stand alone ignoring marketing perspective the PCIe Lane assignments table is something I do want to revisit and do more similar to what we've done in the past with PCIe Lane assignment where you use again a really controlled scenario so we might do that it's not on the immediate radar there's plenty of other stuff going on but it is something I'm thinking about I've got plenty of ideas for it we've done a lot on in the past but it needs to be updated with SLI and with 1080p is stuff like that and go through that x29 nine things CPS again so that's some thoughts on PCIe Lane testing and then finally there was some interest in power supply reviews PSU reviews in the discord and this is something I've commented on a few times in chats and Twitter and things like that but power supply reviews are really hard you need good equipment to do it like chroma Riggs for example which are multiple thousands of the colors need to get trained to use those machines I need to get trained to understand the output understand the input understand what the heck the numbers are that you're looking at and what their implications are and it's not something we're going to do right now however there are things that I do want to get more involved with in power power supply review is not one of them today it's frankly my skill level with power supplies is not high enough for me to be satisfied with testing and reviewing them there's a whole lot of training that would have to happen first not to say that could have happened we could definitely consult with people but there's a lot of other stuff we could do first and one of those things is improve power testing on GPUs and CPUs and stop pulling from the wall and test to be a rails instead like clamp clamp it and just test straight from the rails or something like that so that's something I want to do is closer to reality than a lot of other test methods I've been looking at lately it might start happening sometime this year no promises but it makes me feel a whole lot better about power draw testing because you eliminate a lot of questions a lot of platform concerns and you just test it straight from the source so you're no longer looking at deltas wall-to-wall you look at the actual power draw of the component motherboards still impact lanes but you get the idea so that's it for this one as always thank you for watching you can comment below with general thoughts especially with the streaming stuff and subscribe for more patreon.com slash gamers and i stopped out directly or go to store that game as nexus net where we should have more shirts like this one on the graph shirt sometime soon theoretically they're being printed so thank you for watching I'll see you all next time