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we recently revisited the AMD r9 290x from October of 2013 and now it's time to look back at the GTX 780 Ti from November of 2013 the 780 Ti shipped for $700 and landed as Nvidia's flagship against Andy's freshly launched flagship it was a different era memory capacity was limited to 3 gigabytes on the 780ti memory frequency was a blazing 7 gigabits per second and core clock was 875 mega Hertz stock or 928 megahertz of boost where as we're nearing 2 gigahertz these days and that also was using the old Boost 2.0 algorithm that kept a fixed clock in gaming overclocking was more extensible in some ways giving us more control for an upward punch than modern Nvidia overclocking but the card of course has still aged so today we're looking at how well it has aged and we'll also have our 9 to 90 X numbers in there for point of reference before that this video is brought to you by the gigabyte z3 90 ARS master motherboard which comes equipped with one of the more powerful z3 90 V RMS for heavier overclocks on the new 9th gen intel cpus the ARS master is also one of the few motherboards with a real heatsink this generation featuring a mix of high surface area fins and looks oriented cover blocks oh and it's also got updated RTV illumination learn more at the link below the 780ti ends up originally at about the price today that an RT X 2080 would be but the difference is a couple fold higher on the 2080 so you'll see that in some of our testing today the design of course was different but things like the power envelope weren't too different from today's high-end cards of course the difference being that for the same amount of power today you get significantly more performance the 780 Ti is potential biggest limitation and modern game testing is going to be its memory at 3 gigabytes of gddr5 seven gifts per second isn't that slow but most of the modern g5 cards are 8 gigabits per second or 9 g5 extra at 10 and then for GD gr 6 it's approaching 12 14 gigabits per second depending so quite a bit different there but let's get into the benchmarks today we'll have some additional testing notes in the article linked in the description below as always if you're curious what test platform we used through the numbers we have apex legends in here as well although that's the only game that does not have the 290x in it and then we can talk conclusions assuming anyone out there is still using a 780ti and wants to upgrade rather than our usual starting point of Sniper Elite 4 or apex legends we'll start instead with GTA 5 this is a 2015 launch so it's closer to the 780 Ti is 2013 launch than our other test titles at 1080p and with very high and ultra settings with 2x msaa the 780ti still pulls its weight at 68 FPS average with at lows surprisingly well spaced at 50 fps and 41 fps 1% and 0.1% the 780ti therefore ends up just behind the 290x with both of these being reference cards with stock settings the modern gtx 1066 gigabyte gaming x runs at 83 FPS average outpacing the former flagship 780ti by an impressive 22 percent the 980ti remember there was no 800 series ended up 47% ahead of the 780ti and was its direct successor generationally the 1080 TI also ends up about 126 percent ahead were over 2 times higher in performance it's sort of silly to use percentages at this point so the takeaway is that 153 FPS average on the 1080 TI allows graduation to significantly higher graphics settings or higher resolutions overclocking is completely insane on the 780 Ti compared to a lot of the cards today it's fun honestly and that's what makes us miss the older end video designs that were less it locks it down with a 220 megahertz core offset and a 400 megahertz memory offset we ended up at 83 FPS average which is a mass of 22% improvement over the stock 68 FPS average performance this would be higher than the factory overclocked partner model 780 Ti is as well so you get a full representation of the range here you would have to overclock those further to get better than this overclocking gives us a more direct voltage control and clock control than modern generations resulting in performance that matches the gtx 1066 gigabyte nearly identically the r9 290x overclocked to about 73 FPS average with its performance allowing the 780 Ti to take a lead once pushed of course a partner model 290x could theoretically push a bit further but the 780ti partners would end up in the lead anyway so it just does well in this game for frame time consistency comparisons the r9 290x ends up about 14 to 16 milliseconds frames of frame interval on average with minimal deviation from one frame to the next frame times need to be consistent and should ideally not exhibit variance greater than 8 milliseconds of 12 milliseconds from one frame to the next the 290x succeeds here and is acceptable in frame time consistency the GTX 780 Ti plotting that next also does well and it up functionally tied with the 290x it almost completely obscures the 290x line overall and has mostly equal performance for the actual player there's one spike up to 32 milliseconds and then a corrective spike down but beyond the single instance the rest is about the same between the two cards at 1440p the 780 Ti falls to 49 FPS average at decline of 27% from a 1080p results this also puts it as about on par with an r9 290x for gigabyte card or an rx 588 gigabyte modern card for reference the 980ti maintains a rough 47 percent lead here so the relative scaling is about the same as at 1080p and a used gtx 1070 might be an affordable upgrade for you although even a modern r-tx 2060 at $350 offers a 63% performance uplift under these settings overclock so the GTX 780 Ti ends up at a firm 60 FPS average giving us a reasonable frame rate for actual gameplay despite Lois struggling a bit the overclocked FPS puts it at 1060 OC levels with the 290 x OC stuck closer to 51 FPS average 4k wasn't even remotely common in 2013 this was far from the reaches of gaming GPUs at the time as illustrated with the 780 Ti is 25 FPS average at 4k this is the sort of test that people likely would have scoffed at as synthetic back in the day but today even though the former flagship 780ti and r9 290x are roughly tied in their inability to play it still takes a modern $500 card to reasonably begin playing with these settings the RT X 2070 at $500 could absolutely be made to work with the settings reductions to this title although that may be undesirable for some overclocking the 780 Ti gets into 30 FPS average which is still clearly not enough particularly when considering the frame time performance is sporadic and places us at 13 FPS or 1% lows translating the frame time spy upwards of 90 milliseconds that means that sometimes you don't get a new frame for a full tenth of a second apex legends is up next we don't have as many cards tested here since we only recently added it but the test gives a look at one of the most popular modern games that has come across our bench apex legends uses the source 2 engine and DirectX 11 building on top of the platform that titanfall 2 laid out for it this one omits the 290 X and our results because it was tested previously and not retested but will show plenty of 290 X numbers following apex legends at 1080p the GTX 780 Ti stock card runs at high settings with a 46 FPS average allowing the GTX 970 SC elite a 40% over the test 780ti overclock the 780 Ti does allow it to gain an impressive 21% performance over its baseline stock performance although this still isn't enough to top the 970 if you're looking to jump to another flagship the 980 TI hybrid operates at 80 FPS average stock which is about a 75% increase over the stock 780ti the 1080 Ti is a couple times higher in performance and is capable of 4k whereas the 780 Ti would struggle even with 1440p in this title f1 2018 uses the ego engine and offers a good look at other racing games made by Codemasters as they all run on roughly the same engine everyone 2018 also has some interesting quirks like its desire for higher performance system memory although that's irrelevant where we control for non GPU variables at 1080p the 780ti ends up at 59 FPS average with ultra high settings that's pretty good for a card this old and considering that the quality can be dropped significantly to maintain higher FPS if desired frame times are rough in this game in general although not for Vega for some reason but average FPS plants the 780ti as below the 290x is 65 FPS average the 290x also maintains better frames time consistency in this test path overclocking the 780 Ti it propels it to nearing 70 FPS average approaching the GTX 970 s performance that's not particularly compelling performance when considering the tremendous step-down that the 970 is from a flagship overclocked in the 290x lands at about 390 X levels on surprisingly since the 390 X's function in overclock to 90 X with some memory increases in capacity at 1440p the 780 Ti runs at about 46 FPS average stock and 54 FPS average overclocked switch ranks it is comparable to a 390 x4 290x stock card well 780ti has its overclock applied the 980ti holds a I honestly dove 76% over the stock 780ti indicating that we may be running into some architectural limitations or maybe even memory limitations on the limited three gigabyte frame buffer that these 780ti has 4k has the 780 Ti at 28 fps Howard with an overclocked barely improving frame rate same time performance is dismal here making this game unplayable with these settings the 290x also struggles although not to the extent of the 780 Ti but it's sort of irrelevant because they both really don't produce a good experience anyway at 4k far cry 5 positions the 780 Ti at 49 FPS average with our graphics settings ranking it as between the 290 x 58 FPS average and 960 SSC is 44 FPS average even though our X 570 outperforms a 780ti running at 59 FPS average and with consistent frame time performance the 980ti outperforms the 780ti style card by 78% jump in 288 FPS average from 49 FPS average overclocked in the 780 Ti puts it between the 390 X and 290x cards just for comparison that 1440p performance falls to 35 FPS average allowing the 290 axial lead of 22 percent stock that said overclocking the 780 Ti ties it up to the 2 nd X stock and gets it close to to 90 X overclocked performance although the 290x reference card still maintains a lead the 980ti can play this game reasonably well at 1440p whereas the 780 Ti struggles without a graphics quality reduction showing that the 980ti if you could get a used one for cheap might be a decent consideration for an upgrade for k performance has the 780 Ti at 18 FPS average marking it as clearly unfit for 4k again that's really no surprise given the 4k market didn't exist in 2013 for the most part other old cards also struggle here and even the 1080 TI ends up technically below 60 FPS average although it's close enough to make things work with the settings change so I've really four is the last one and will only be tested at 1080p for this card we normally also do 4k synthetics in this game but we'll stick to 1080p for the 780ti in today's sniper elite 4 benchmark stock settings run the game at 73 FPS average ranks it as between the 960 and rx 570 the 290x runs 98 FPS average stock and we should note that this game is more compute-intensive specifically so that's the specific reason why we see an advantage on the cards like the 290x versus the 780ti with a 780ti overclock we end up at 88 FPS average to close in on the RX 570 but see that the 290 act still holds the lead of 11% over the 780ti overclocked benchmark the 290x climbs further with its own overclock approaching levels of the RX 588 gigabyte if you're still using a 780ti today first of all congratulations on making a card last that long it's a good one it was a good card it's still not bad really at 1080p but if you're upgrading primary reasons for doing so would be increasing your resolution maybe pushing the graphics settings a bit higher but resolutions really the big driver there where when this card came out 1080p was that it still is but was a more domineering force in the market 1440p was starting to kind of get some traction 4k was just not in anyone's minds today it's it's quite a bit different from that so six years ago the same price for the 780ti would get you roughly a 1080i 20/80 today be spend about $100 more probably but the twenty eighty is a massive shift of course Radeon 7 is a competitor as well we have notes on that if you're curious about its performance but just strictly speaking sort of Nvidia flash with NVIDIA flagship well today the flagship is $1200 and that's the twenty atti so if you're still in the same price range unfortunately you're probably not buying another flagship today unless you wanted to get the 980 TI used which is probably a pretty good price at this point assuming you can find some in your region that are used it's a a still significant performance uplift in some cases 70 + % an average frame rate but if you wanted something new than 20 70 20 80 even the 2060 are all pretty decent upgrades and so on I'm cheaper than others so versus the r9 290x both have the 290x has aged better in some games that 780 Ti has aged better in other games you can look at GTA versus f1 for example and where the 290 act seems to do a bit better on average would be games that make heavier use of compute so if you're playing for example I believe shadow of war or Wolfenstein 2 those are both pretty compute heavy 290x would would likely have a bit of an edge although we didn't test those two specific games f1 2018 is another good example though so anyway that's it the Saudi ATI today so it's closer to a 1066 gigabyte than just about anything else sometimes it is even outclassed by an rx 570 again depending on the type of game so it it has fallen quite far but it's still aged reasonably well the 290x clearly has also really not aged that poorly this particular model not great but the overclocks we did on it give you and the 390x give you an upward upper limit of where the 290x would have fallen in a very high-performing scenario so that's it for this one subscribe for more as always go to patreon.com/scishow gamers X's tops out directly or you gonna store it on cameras axis not net to pick up something like one of the shirts I have right here the disappointment shirt that's been modified to be a GPU artifacting shirt commemorating the card that you might be upgrading to you from this one so that's not a great element but good luck I'll see you all next time you