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hey guys build Zoid here from actually hardcore overclocking and today we're gonna be taking a look at gigabytes X 570 flagship the gigabyte X 570 horas extreme and I'm a huge fan of this motherboard like this is one of those motherboards where it's like I want this just because of the vrm that's on there because this is the first motherboard ever to have a true 14 plus two-phase vrm before that this video is brought to you by ethernal takes ring duo 12 radiator fans the ring duo 12 fan kit comes with three a RGB 120mm fans with a controller and each fan equipped with 18 LEDs and a diffuser for a glowing color inside of the fan right the fans are made for use on radiators and use hydraulic bearings for long lifespan rated at 40,000 hours for the fan the fans have an RPM range of 500 to 1500 giving the ability to quiet down the fans under low load or boost them for heavy workloads the ring duo twelves are available now learn more at the link in the description below so this section right here is your V core this right here is your SOC and this is 1 2 3 14 phases and there's not a single doubler anywhere on this motherboard oh and then we have + 2 4 for our ISOs 2 phase SOC power that's not a big deal though that's pretty much standard for high and motherboard since like X actually on X 370 there was a bunch of other words which had 4 phase SOC power anyway here we have a 14 + 2 and there's not a single doubler in this and it's not the Asus put your power stages in parallel and act like it's two separate phases when they're actually running in phase with each other so now this this is a proper 14 phase every single one of these phases is indepent independently current balanced and can be switched on and off at the discretion of the voltage controller depending on how much current is being how much current output the vrm has to provide and the way this is achieved is this chip right over here that is a Infineon XD PE and that's not a p1 3 2 g 5 c this is in Finian's brand new they like to market it as their 1000 amp voltage controller so luke because this is really meant for like high-end exotic data center CPUs and that kind of thing so you know IBM stuff that pulls a ton of power has a bunch of cores tons of threads and just you'll never see in a consumer platform so that's really what this chip is meant for it for you know huge pieces of silicon that just pull a ton of power I guess thread were I guess technically epic would kind of fall into that category if epic was overclockable but which it isn't but maybe AMD will decide to put out like a 4 gigahertz base clock version of epic that just pulls a stupid amount of current in which case yeah that's that's the kind of thing this chip is meant for because this is a true 16 phase voltage controller and that means you know gigabyte can have all of these phases with all of the benefits of having all of these phases but none of the downsides of having doublers because doublers basically add a little bit of delight to your pwm signals and there are ways to work around that but you know why work around having doublers when you could just not have doublers and still have all of the benefits of having 14 phases though I would argue for a rise in 3000 series CPU there's basically no benefits to having actual 4 14 phase but gigabyte like this is the x5 7000 recei extreme if if for summer if suddenly risin started pulling a thousand watts this VR I'm going to suddenly become very very fitting so and and currently I would dare say that this is probably the most advanced voltage regulator you'll see on a consumer motherboard I'm not sure what's happening in the service space I don't really pay that much attention to it and the same thing is true of the power stages here so you know we have the latest and greatest voltage controller combined with the latest and greatest power stage these are TDA two one four seven twos from international rectifier slash Infineon Infineon owns international rectifier for a while now so you can basically consider them the same thing at this point these are 70 M smart power stages and the reason why smart power stages are called smart power stages is because unlike normal our stages they integrate current monitoring temperature monitoring over current protection over temperature protection the current monitoring that they integrate is actually also more accurate than what you would have on say like a power IR stage which those integrated current Marwat and Entering but basically there's a new stat like the the smart power stages are actually like a new power stage standard from Intel for their high end server platforms that's that's what these chips are also designed for so yeah basically you know this vrm is absolutely insane so with 14 phases of 70m so our power stages you end up with a VR I'm that quite frankly doesn't hit peak if it like the thing is since this is a true 14 phase controller depending on how gigabyte has a programmed if you're not running like a maxed out 12 or 16 Corizon CPU most of this vrm will probably not turn like shouldn't be turning on because it'll just waste power because if you look at the efficiency curve for any any power stage it looks like this so like if if you're there's a sweet spot in terms of current output where you get peak efficiency and then anywhere below that you should just not be running that many phases and the curve I drew is a curve a bit wrong it's normally a bit more like that but anyway you get the idea so this vrm is absolutely ridiculous overkill if you're gonna run something like a 12-8 core and I argue even the 12 core this is gonna be ridiculous overkill but anyway 400 kilohertz switching frequency per phase which is actually relatively on the low side but gigabyte does actually normally default to that these power stages technically support up to like 1.5 megahertz a switching frequency so you know if you wanted to throw all the extra efficiency you got out for better output ripple and less input ripple you could just crank up the switching frequency to ridiculous levels and then the 14 phases might actually be useful because your per phase power loss would well would go up quite drastically especially if you were pushing a significant amount of current per phase anyway 400 kilohertz because that's just convenient because that's where the data sheet is spectat 1.2 volts out because again that's where the data sheet is SPECT and they unfortunately do not give a nice power-efficient like power heat dissipation to voltage curve like some of the past parallel some other power stages do so but we're just gonna go with 1.2 volts ultimately is not gonna make a huge difference in terms of the overall heat output if you go from one point two volts like one point four it's not gonna make that much difference hundred amps output is around what you'd be looking at for like a risin first-gen eight core I would assume that the third gen eight cores will also run around a hundred amps as well and horizon six core would be below that well 100 amps output this vrm will produce about nine watts of heat the vrm does not need a heatsink at all in fact the the x5 70 horas extreme is one of the few motherboards on x5 70 with a completely passive passive chipset cooling system and you'll notice that the way the cooling is designed on this motherboards you have the chipset heatsink and then there's a heat pipe that goes from the chipset heat sink into the vrm heatsink I honestly I think that that that chipset heatsink is completely passive mostly because the vrm doesn't produce enough heat for this for there to be a need like basically what's happening is the chipset is probably heating up the vrm more so than the VR I'm heating up the actual vrm heatsink so yeah that's the the the cooling system on this motherboard is mostly there for the chipset 150 amps you can't even hit that unlike a 2700 X well you can but if your 2700 X is doing 150 amps it's not gonna last very long because you're gonna be pushing away too much voltage so you could degrade and completely destroy a 2700 X with this motherboard while still not having a vrm heatsink on it because it'll still produce only about 13 watts of heat it's extreme it's very extreme going up to 200 amps output which is probably where like even the 16 core maxes out for Verizon third gen by the sounds of the the power consumption that these chips are hitting that sounds to be the upper limit of what any rise in 3000 series series CPU will ever pull and at that point or at least on like ambient cooling and at that point this motherboard should be producing about 16 watts of heat the motherboard still wouldn't care so yeah like you know when you build a vrm that quite frankly puts most X 299 motherboards to shame can you really be surprised that it can handle 200 amps output with only 16 watts of heat dissipation like yeah the board very much deserves the name it's given now if we go on like I don't know how rising 3000 will scale on liquid nitrogen but I I don't think it'll scale high enough for this motherboard to care that much anyway because even at 300 amps output this board will be only producing about 24 watts of heat going up to 400 amps output it'll produce only about 35 watts of heat and going up to 500 amps output it will finally produce something where it's like you know a significant amount of heat at 47 watts of heat now admittedly from basically 24 Watts up you're gonna want of erm heatsink from in excess of 35 watts you'd are you'd need like a substantial vrm heatsink or maybe if it's not so substantial you'd need some airflow this is all very much like extreme overclocking territory on liquid nitrogen and at that point you're not gonna be running very long you know like very long duration stress test so you you still probably wouldn't need to worry about the vrm cooling even then this boards vrm is just awesome it's just very very deserving of the extreme label and quite possibly this is the actually as so far I'm pretty sure this is the best vrm on x5 17 there's just as far as I'm aware there's not a single motherboard that gets even close to this because most of the other board vendor actually as far as I know all of the other board vendors are still using the ir35 2:01 I've not yet seen a motherboard other than gigabytes that uses the XD PE 1 3 2 g 5c so yeah gigabyte has just kind of absolutely you know knocked it out of the park here and the funny thing is gigabyte in the past used to do things like this I'll if you go far back enough in motherboard history gigabyte used to do motherboards with absolutely ridiculous power delivery solutions just kind of on the regular if they they're their top-of-the-line motherboard just basically always had the most overkill VR I'm you could find for the platform with a few exceptions for example on h EDT where there's not enough space gigabytes plan to just cram phases kind of wouldn't work out a lot of the time on mainstream platforms yeah this is this isn't really like this is sort of gigabytes standard for erm design philosophy it's just like we need to be able to kill the cpu more than two times over and then then the vrm is good enough yeah that's basically why I'm such a huge fan of this motherboard is just like this vrm is insane now for the SOC vrm I mean after like the thing is the V Corps of erm here is already ridiculously expensive so who cares that you're gonna put more expensive power stages into the SOC VR I'm more 70 amps more power stages there as well these chips go for about 3.5 dollars a chip in bulk that is not cheap for comparison you can get like 50 amp normal power stages for $1 ish in bulk so yeah they're about three and a half times more expensive than slightly less powerful power stages but admittedly they're also not smart and within the smart power stages category you can actually find power stages under the $2 mark but the thing about those is those are popular within videos founders edition cards and well you won't see them really used on motherboards because the concern is that muther like nvidia ships so many GPUs that there's a very legitimate concern that if you buy if you're buying a power stage that is regularly used on reference and video cards there might be supply shortages so you don't want to be buying that because you won't be able to keep using it for for very like if Nvidia suddenly has to make a bunch of cards you're just gonna be like well we can't make any more motherboards because there's no power stages less for us anyway moving on from the vrm which you know I think is definitely the highlight of this board let's go over some other things so we have dual pin power connectors you don't need this definitely like even for the 12 Corizon 3000 series you definitely don't need to 8bim power connectors for the 16 core you might have to plug in like half the well now you for the 16 core you would still be able to get away with the single 8 pin if you have a power supply that has all of its cabling done it well the eight pins done in 16 gauge wires because if you have the high current variant of this power connector it's actually 13 amps per pin pair and basically that's 13 times 4 amps because this is this isn't like a PCIe connector where you have three active pairs and then $0.02 wires this is just out like that this is just ground in 12 volts in there also it's worth noting that these power connectors are completely parallel the 12 volt plane is also shared between the two power connectors so you could if you wanted to do silly things like plug in a 4 pin here plug in a 4 pin there and technically you'd have like an 8 pin but that's just dumb and you shouldn't do that you don't need to plug in both of these unlike maybe on extreme if you're maybe pushing the CPU on liquid nitrogen it might make sense to plug in the extra well a whole extra 8 pin is not necessary Rison 3000 is not gonna pull a thousand watts just like it's not gonna do that ever yeah but you know high-end motherboards tend to like having unnecessary power connectors so yeah there's no harm in it and you can definitely plug in it and plug in the extra power connector if you feel like it it just won't really make any difference to your overclocking because well what 8 pin is more than enough for for powering up to sort of 400 or even 500 watts of CPU and 500 Watts your you're starting to get into the you know you start running into the hole oh the cables are starting to get warm the power connectors starting to get warm you might want to plug in an extra cable but up until that point is just like who cares run run a single 8 pin you really don't need to anyway so that's that we've got a power we've got a power and reset button on the rear i/o which in the past I complained about that gigabyte decided to put it here because if I'm if I have my the board on a test bench this is very far away from me and awkward to reach so gigabyte thought of me and they added an extra power and an reset button over here so we got that covered kind of feels like like looking at this board and the master it kind of feels like gigabyte just made a checklist of things I've complained about on their motherboards in the past and it's just like well that's taken care of that's taken care of that's taken care of anyway so we do have you know power and reset where they should be as far as I'm concerned we've got voltage read points up here they are just solder bumps but I understand that gigabyte really isn't gearing like it is called the extreme and it I might assume this motherboard B would be quite competent at an extreme overclocking but gigabyte definitely doesn't like there was a time when gigabyte literally had like an extreme overclocking division of their product development that the that was a thing that's where you got all the super overclock and like the OC Edition motherboards yeah that that's since been scrapped and this is kind of leftovers from that the motherboards are really targeted more at gaming and so you know I understand why they're not bothering with like having proper voltage connectors and and ratio up-down buttons BC LK up-down buttons I really want to motherboard with like voltage control as buttons on the side but nobody's yet done that so we have a single phase memory vrm which so the thing about the single phase memory of erm is quite frankly having a two phase memory of erm doesn't matter but the this is gigabytes most bog-standard single phase memory of erm like they've been using this since like at least z170 and it's fine it overclocks fine ultimately with with ddr4 it's less about what you power with what you power it with and more about what you do between the DIMM slots and the cpu socket so all of the lovely traces that we see running right here much more important than what you actually power your memory with but still this is a bunch of 4 c10 and MOSFETs from on semiconductor for all of them so you have your high side to low sides it's a single phase controlled by a rich tech 8120 so t-80 180 120 and this is just like gigabytes been running this VR I'm literally everywhere all the time and it's fine the main thing is that honestly the like the the single phase memory power it's just it's not a big deal but I kind of feel like you know since they did this on them the V Corps VR I mean they could have done something a little bit more elaborate but ultimately it doesn't matter that much for the trace layout between the DIMM slots and the CPU socket we are looking at daisy chain historically gigabyte is what like insists on using t topology unlike everything i basically pointed out to gigabyte like hey your t2 policy boards if somebody's running 2x8 it doesn't overclock very well and they're like yeah but if people want to run 4x8 then then T technology works better for a risin 3,000 the memory controller has changed and everybody seems to be going to daisy chain now gigabytes included I'm interested to see how this works out because this could be really really good also if you're wondering about why these are missing engineering sample motherboard see that that's a revision 0.1 retail board's from gigabyte are 1.0 or well one point something so those are actually populated on the the retail bond the board and so yeah with the memory overclocking ultimately you'll have to test it because you can't like I can't I ball trace quality actually I'd be really surprised if anyone could eyeball trace quality like just look at the trace layer I'd go like yes this is a this is a good memory overclocking solution I'd be very surprised if there was anybody capable of doing that here's the thing you can have the best memory power to memory power delivery ever if your trace layout is screwed up doesn't matter if your memory training procedures in the BIOS are screwed up doesn't matter like the powering ddr4 is really really easy the big problem is maintaining signal integrity to and from the dims and that come that's mostly about you know the trace layout and then there's also the bios which has to know how to time the the signaling with the motherboard so anyway moving on from there we have a right angled 24 pin that gigabytes actually pushed in a little bit on the board which I'm a fan of because basically the main concern with angled 24-pin power connectors is that this can cause some issues with case compatibility it would have slightly less issues with cases than if they just had it on the same you know just how they pushed out a bit more we have of course a postcode right here so if you are pushing memory clocks this gets really really yeah well actually if you're doing any kind of advanced overclocking this can be extremely handy because over time you'll just figure out what errors mean you know if this voltage is too low or if some timings are screwed up or if you can actually over time that this can be super helpful also some board vendors actually publish like cheat sheets for their postcode readout so it's like oh if you get this post code it means this voltage is not high enough or you've really screwed up your memory timings there there's a few that if you get that post code it just means you're wrong you need to go and change everything anyway moving along the the edge of the board down here we have a BIOS which and a BIOS mode switch so gigabyte what boards you know standard feature for them is dual BIOS main BIOS is actually socketed this might change the well I've had engineering sample boards come in that had a socketed while like pictures of engineering sample boards with socketed while PSA's and then the retail ones don't have it but the high-end retail boards should should still have a socketed main BIOS chip and there's also a backup while strip and the thing is gigabytes dual BIOS is normally implemented as an automatic system where if you fail to post too many times in a row it'll just go from one BIOS to the other and when that happens you know you'll it'll look like it wiped all of your BIOS profiles because your BIOS profiles are saved with the BIOS chip so like though if you save it like if you're overclocking on the main BIOS save a bunch of profiles then fail to post like three times in a row and you end up on the backup files all of your profiles are still on the main BIOS chip so that gets really really annoying really really quick if you're doing a lot of overclocking and failing to post over and over and over again which is kind of normal if you're doing lots of if you're really pushing memory so gigabyte acknowledges that this is a problem and so on their high end boards you have a bio like you have a switch here that basically allows you to disable the automatic BIOS switching system that these boards come with and then you have this switch over here which you can use to manually choose which I'll ship your own so you can go between the main BIOS or backup BIOS by your own decision instead of relying on the motherboard to to do it for you down here we have a six pin power connector for extra power to the PCIe slots this is wrong this is just straight up wrong okay this is like my one major complaint for this whole motherboard is this is done wrong like how am I gonna put a fourth GPU in here I mean third GPU in this PCIe slaw if this is plugged in seriously how because that power connector sticks straight up you plug that in and there is no way you're getting another Jeep like there's no way you're getting a PCI card into this PCIe slot and my and you might be like oh but it's useful if you're running to a sli if you're running 2-way SLI or two-way crossfire your GPUs will not be pulling enough power to need the extra PCIe power connector because basically well okay maybe if you really hammered some rx for 80s or something you might need this but most GPUs are designed with sensible power demands on their PCIe slot so they won't exceed the 75 watt per slot limit and the issue with the 70 like the issue with multi-gpu setups is not that they exceed the 75 watt limit per PCIe slot is that the 24 pin only has two 12 volt power connectors in it and those are in charge of powering all of your PCIe slots these are dedicated to CPU power so normally what happens if you run like a four-way or a 3-way setup or well not normally but what you can sometimes run into with three-way and four-way GPU setups is that you melt your 24 pin this exists to solve that except you can't run 3-way or 4-way on this motherboard because this blocks the third PCIe slot if you actually try to use it so yeah now on the flip side there's very like I don't think anybody's gonna actually like I'm interested in running three-way and four-way most people aren't so I completely understand that you know it's just like this is not this is non-issue for the average like for real-world users for but it's just wrong like from a design perspective this is just wrong it should not be at this angle it should be flat and like I get that they don't have enough space here because basically what they're running into with this connector is that if you lay that connector flat it takes up a lot more space that way and it would basically look something like that and then you'd plug in like so and well that obviously wouldn't work because your PC slot needs to move but they could have put it like here maybe or rearrange the audio section and put it over here which you know I get that that it's just like that this is this right the way this is implemented it just kind of feels like they they smacked it on there so that they have something to put on the feature list rather than actually making it a useful feature which is pretty standard practice for a lot of things in the motherboard industry but yeah like ultimately for normal users this doesn't matter for me this is just from from my perspective this is like why even put it on there if it's going to be implemented wrong anyway moving on other good things about the motherboard you get ten gig LAN and so that's the quantity of 10 gig LAN and you also get one gig Intel LAN and you also get an Intel Wi-Fi card with Wi-Fi six on it so yeah and that covers all of the features on this motherboard this is yeah did I mention that the I did mention that the chips chipset his passive didn't I yeah I've been trying to really like I made a mistake in like one of my earlier takes and to retake it a bunch redo this video a bunch of times anyway so yeah that's the X 570 or s extreme probably the best vrm on the entire x5 70 platform I don't really think there's any motherboard that gets close to this on the power delivery now does that actually mean this motherboard will overclock your cpu better not necessarily because there's a basically after you reach a certain level of voltage regulator quality going past that doesn't take tend to make much of a difference if any difference like you know and I think this vrm is very well in that area of it just doesn't matter anymore guys there's like the X the X 570 mass you know probably it performs exactly the same in CPU overclocking as this does except the vrm on that will run a little bit warp a little bit warmer but that's still like the x5 70 master is still a true 12 phase and this board is just kind of like like at this point it's just showing off okay it's like look what we can do and we when we make a motherboard where the the price tag is basically build the board first set the price of a price tag later and I appreciate that like this is an insane motherboard it is not a motherboard you need but it could be a motherboard you want because the this this is absolutely ridiculous but the the question still of course remains is like well how will the memory overclocked and go because you know like if if the memory overclocking sucks then you know the vrm in my opinion is kind of negated but yeah that like memory overclocking is really something you have to actually test in the real world you can't look at the memory slots or the memory layout topology and and go like oh this is good this is bad just doesn't work also especially because there's like weird quirks with what the the BIOS is what the memory well like there's so much to memory overclocking that it's I you could write books about it I couldn't I'm not that good at it but some people who are good write books about it and they would go forever anyway so yeah that is the x5 70 horas extreme and it is very extreme and thanks for watching like share subscribe leave any comments questions suggestions down in the comment section below if you'd like to support gamers Nexus we've got a patreon for people who want to support us directly and there's also store gamers nexus net if you'd like to you know support us by buying merch and i have another channel called actually 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