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HW News - AMD Cuts Navi GPU Prices Already, NVIDIA 7nm GPUs, & AMD Ray Tracing Patents

2019-07-05
welcome back to another hardware news recap at the end of what has been and will continue to be the busiest week of our careers here we've been working on some Andy stuff lately as everyone knows Andy is also dropping the prices of Navi already so super has had its impact on AMD before Navi even came out horizon 3000 series of course has been in the news a lot lately and will be launching on tomorrow when this video goes live said B Sunday July 7th unless we upload earlier there was a power outage in Japan that resulted in the loss of a lot of NAND game consoles dodging some price hikes which is a good thing and some reports on Sampson and Nvidia partnering up along with other things but mostly are focusing on some preliminary Rison and Navi discussion before that this video is brought to you by the EVGA gtx 1660 XC black video card EVGA gtx 1660 XC black uses a fat heatsink to allow the card to run at lower noise levels for longer capable of sinking more heat before the fan kicks in 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down to four hundred and fifty dollars instead of five hundred dollars for basically the bin version of the 5700 XT so those are the new prices they're $50 slower each and based on what we've seen on wine because we we can't we can't comment on anything yet until reviews go live but based on what you've probably seen on the Internet's these price drops were more or less necessary at this point because super did actually force a in these hand it would put an D in a tough position so it's interesting it's it's interesting specifically because if AMD had come out with these $50 lower prices the situation would look different it would look more like AMD forced Nvidia's hand into creating super and bringing down the relative performance versus the price or the relative price whereas the performance I should say but instead because and the allowance its price is first and Vidya came to market now in AMD before even launching its product is dropping the prices it makes it look like Nvidia is the one big competition to the market and bringing down the prices so it's an interesting play if only from a PR standpoint where AMD has now put itself in a position where it looks like it's on the defensive it's it's backpedaling it's almost like an admission of our products not that good like it's they they looked at the super forints and then 100 yes okay well guess we gotta drop the prices so purely from a PR and a visual standpoint doesn't look great but the fact that prices came down at all are obviously good regardless of performance so we'll be looking at that more one could assume on release day but yeah anyway moving on rise in 3000 and Navi reviews are in progress for just about everyone in the industry at this point you've probably seen teasers from some people and I will note that this has been probably the most difficult week in my professional career working at cameras and axes and running it because basically to give you an idea AMD is launching something to the tune of maybe eight CPU skews on Sunday plus they've got ap use those are mixed in there too they've got the two GPUs and then Nvidia just had two GPUs the same week and so the end result is that Patrick and I have been working shifts so he'll do like eight to ten hours and I'll do the rest of the hours in the day and that allows us to cover the whole day so we have test benches running literally 24/7 at this point and he and I have been managing multiple of them across a 24 hour period every single day for about a week now and he's been doing more hours I've been sleeping at the office so we're getting the reviews done there's a lot of them and it's an insane so to give you an idea of just how difficult this review cycle has been and videos launch for us we weren't really expecting before na'vi we're expecting an afternoon Abbey and because of that we ended up with in a situation we're probably publishing like a month's worth of silicon component reviews in a day maybe a day and a half depending anyway yeah that's what we've been working on but the navvy price drops are the big news item for the show $50 off of each one is the summary and it it is an interesting optics position for Andy to be in Japan power outages so six exabytes of NAND have been lost WD and Toshiba suspending production as a result of these power outages an unexpected power outage in the youkai Ichi region of Japan has affected facilities operated jointly by Western Digital and Toshiba memory the power outage lasting roughly 13 minutes happened on June 15th and has forced Western Digital and Toshiba to partially suspend operations operations are expected to resume as normal by mid-july according to Western Digital assessment of the incident at least six exabytes of NAND will be lost the quote the company currently expects the incident will result in a reduction of Western Digital Flash way for availability of approximately six exabytes the majority of which is expected to be contained in the first quarter of fiscal year 2020 that was in a Western Digital press release so Sheba didn't disclose how much of its own and was affected but some estimates pegged the number to around nine exabytes revenue and profit loss aside trend force points out how this will impact client confidence in the company's quote a fallout to that Toshiba and Western Digital can expect is some loss of confidence from their downstream clients the reliability of their production lines is now under doubt as the base is not resuming normal operation as quickly as can be reasonably expected for a leading edge semiconductor plant and that's on trend forces right up andy filed a new patent On June 27th entitled quote texture processor based ray tracing acceleration method and system and quote the patents abstract states the system includes a shader texture processor and cache which are interconnected the texture processor includes a texture address unit a texture cache processor a filter pipeline unit and a Ray intersection engine the shader sends a texture instruction which contains ray data and a pointer to a bounded volume hierarchy or PVH node to the texture address unit the texture cache processor uses an address provided by the texture address unit to fetch BVH node data from the cache the Ray intersection engine performs ray bvh node type intersection testing using the rate data and the BVH node data the intersection testing results and indications for BBH traversal are returned to the shader via a texture data path or data return path the shader reviews the intersection results and the indications to decide how to traverse the next BVH node and video uses BVH traversal and Ray intersection test for its own rate race and implementation but also has some added denoising features and scheduling and a bit different hardware Nvidia shaders launcher ray probe with RT cores fetching and decoding while performing ray or tray and triangle intersection testing and the appears to be engineering a fixed function solution for rate intersections the technology is details as well in the patent application if you're curious to learn more but that's about all we have right now we've been talking about the tariffs price increases with especially US imports lately because that does affect the wider industry and how you can expect a lot of computer products to go up in price if they haven't already some of the computer cases have already gone off about 18% in price as a result of the tariffs which isn't even a one-to-one increase they're taking a bit of a loss on margin on that the new information the updated news is that the most recently proposed 300 billion dollar tariff proposal in addition to the existing tariffs has been suspended for now of the existing tariffs remain unaffected those those would include ones that impact for example case pricing power supply pricing GP prior video card prices and I should say all of that stuff that's still in effect it's just that there's the new proposal the 300 billion dollar extra tariff has been suspended Huawei was placed on a so called entity list and saddled with a trade black listing that has seen most major US tech suppliers being forced to retract their business with the company without access to u.s. IP and chip technology as well as operating systems like Android Huawei's business in the western part of the world is uncertain to say the least however the Bureau of Industry and security granted companies a special license to continue supply in Huawei although it was intended to be temporary Intel and Microsoft have also pledged to support Huawei devices with critical security updates for the foreseeable future something we talked about last week just exactly how much the u.s. is relaxing sanctions against Huawei is unclear at this point the u.s. stated any network equipment affecting national security wouldn't be sold and anything 5g related is almost certainly off the table and holding off additional tariffs game consoles are able to avoid a significant price hike when the 300 billion dollar tariff proposal was announced the one that would affect electronics like consoles console makers were very quick to issue a joint statement all working together not something you see ever warning of how they could affect consumers the tariffs that is and the industry alike for now it seems like the situation between the US and Chinese economies has at least stopped advancing with the tariffs we'll see how it progresses but the major news item that we care about here on this channel being technology related is that the tariffs that were recently proposed that Nintendo Sony and Microsoft joined together to oppose have been suspended so those concerns of the price hikes on consoles and other electronics they're all affected those those prices will not be going up for import right now for at least for the foreseeable future the next one is a report on Samsung and its manufacturing the Korea Herald is reporting that and video will partner with Samsung for its 7 nanometre ampere GPUs expected sometime in 2023 Ford cites Korea leader yoo jung joon as confirming the switch from TSMC in a statement to tom's hardware Nvidia neither confirmed nor denied the veracity of the report but we do not comment on rumors or speculation we already used both the SMC and Samsung and qualify each of them for every process node we can't comment in any further detail on future plans but both remain terrific partners and that phrasing is so familiar to us that we could probably pinpoint the exact person that Nvidia who wrote it that's a very common response we don't comment on rumors or speculation so anyway the reports interesting the reports last month that serviced on Samsung sure that Samsung was working too aggressively undercut TSMC with seven nanometer process fabrication so that's been a big news item as 7 nanometre has begun to take the the forefront and new product a PCIe for Gen 4 SSDs have been showing up one terabyte as well starting at about 230 dollars and these horizon 3,000 and updated am for platform with the x5 70 chipset will support PCIe generation 4 there'll be the first mainstream platform basically a reference platform for PCIe John 4 at this point which is an interesting play a good place for AMD to be with Gen 4 there at the front of it and with that comes the first consumer oriented PCIe gen 4 devices including SSDs technically there's also the navi side of things where those are PCIe gen 4 enabled so there is actually something on the GPU side you can't take a Titan RT X for example and expect it to have Gen 4 bandwidth by just plugging it into a Gen 4 slot so it would kind of make sense because the CPU ultimately dictates Gen 4 support and then the motherboard after that but unfortunately the the GPU also has to be compliant so Navi is the first of the GPUs and then the SSDs are the first that actually matter the GPUs frankly Navi is not going to be fast enough for Gen 4 to be relevant in any reasonable use case that our audience would be involved in so gaming production doesn't matter for the most part Navi is just not it doesn't push enough data down the pipe for it to matter but for PCIe for SSDs that it will matter Gen 4 actually is significant if you're doing something with those higher-end SSDs that is going to be transaction intensive so the news here is that there are two available for order there's the sabre and rocket and the corsair force MP 600 gigabyte has an ARS model coming but it won't be available at Ryan's launch of the two available both used toshiba's 96 layer TLC NAND and are based on five zones at PS 50 16 a 16 controller currently the only PCIe for SSD controller on the market is Phi's on Z 16 controller both say burn to end courts are offering capacities of either 1 or 2 terabytes and both offers similar performance by the marketing text so we haven't tested them and probably won't but hopefully someone will pick up Alan Melvin tantos testing regimen so sequential reads are marketed at 5 gigabytes per second the sequential writes 4 gigabytes per second for 1 terabyte prices start at $230 for the saber and rocket courses MP 600 will start at $250 for 1 terabyte another patent filing for AMD in this one this one's really interesting - Andy filed for a patent that outlines a thermoelectric cooling solution for 3d stacks memory this is becoming more interesting as well because in towns been talking about 3d stacking more of its products going forward this was something that was more or less proven as doable with NAND and now it's moving into other parts of the silicon industry as well the patent describes a solution for p-type and n-type semiconductors using a an integrated Peltier effect for cooling and the drawings associated with the patent essentially illustrate inserting a Peltier device between the memory die and the lodge Claire of a chip this patent makes sense as Andy has been looking into embedding memory onto processors for a while and this is similar in some ways to what Intel is doing with its Favreau's technology something that we talked about in about December so of last year Silicon lottery will offer been to rise in 730 800 X and 3900 exercise 9 chips for the immediate future Andy is continuing to gain some ground in the enthusiast segments with well-known binning and overclocking service providers Silicon lottery offering bender risin 3,000 chips Silicon Lottery has updated its website with placeholders for the r7 3700 x r7 3800 x + r9 3900 X and the 3950 acts according to the website availability for the bins chips is July 13th roughly a week after isin three thousands July 7th launched a quick side note here to the 39 50 X will not be included among those that is releasing later in the year I believe it was September 4th at 1 risin 3,000 chips will be using a soldered heat spreader soldered IHS this time so we're not sure if silicon lottery will be extending its delayed service to the chips that is something that the company also provides technically you can get a bit of an uplift in performance if you deal it a soldered chip Intel AMD doesn't matter and remove the indium which is kind of a pain but you can buy a solvent to do it look it's basically a liquid metal and then you could apply liquid metal to it and improve the thermal performance not really worth it in our opinion generally we haven't done this with rise in 3000 obviously but for past processors on average it's not super worth D lidding once it's already soldered that does take out a lot of the issues but you could still improve performance so we don't know if they'll offer that but we do know that they're bending them that's it for this one subscribe to catch a lot of reviews coming up make sure you check back with us frequently on Sunday on July 7th because we're posting a lot of videos that day and they'll be a bit staggered just so that the each video has space to breathe and we'll post stuff on the website as well alongside of those videos but youtube is going to be where it's at for the deeper parts of our content make sure you check back regularly on Sunday and on Monday of this week so the 7th and the 8th for all of the coverage because I don't we're not sure how much will get pushed to your sub boxes if we're publishing that many things that's it for this one thank you for watching subscribe for more go to patreon.com/scishow his exes dot or appalled / gamers exit off that directly or store documents axis dotnet let's pick up with the GN toolkit i'll see you all next time
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