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HW News: Coffee Lake Supply Surge, CPU Sales, & ZNAND

2017-11-22
everyone welcome back to another hardware news recap for the past week we have a couple things talked about one of them is that we're doing a lot of roundups for this week primarily focusing on recapping our coverage for the past year basically putting all the data together into one compilation and then hopefully guiding you to the most appropriate purchases for your system building needs so expect a lot of those for the next couple days or so one of them will be hosted by builds I'd in the immediate future about am for motherboard so that'll be a good one other than that news in the industry Intel's got a lot of stuff going on right now they are trying to keep up with coffee-like demand so they're spinning up a new plant in China G skills got 44 hundred megahertz memory Firefox quantum came out Samsung has new zine and SSDs and then there's some stuff on Intel obtained as well before getting to that this content is brought to you by the Thermaltake flow RGB closed-loop liquid cooler which is a three hundred sixty millimeter radiator plus three 120 fans that are RGB illuminated if then we'll take it rain fans at that this is a 4.5 gen a stack pump which is one of the faster pumps you can learn more at the link in the description below for the first news item several the CPUs that we included an our CPU Awards show the other day are actually on sale right now at least in the US the thread Ripper 1950 X that we listed as one of the most important CPUs of the year is currently $800 so it's marked down about 20% from its usual $1000 price and the other r7 and our five CPUs are also on sale so the r5 1600 and 1600 X which we assigned the best overall value award for the year are currently about 190 dollars down from the usual price point the r7 17 100x is around 270 though some folks didn't point out that Micro Center had it as low as just like 210 bucks or something like that so the reason Andy can do this if you're wondering is because of the multi chip module layout of Rison all the rise in CPUs including thread Ripper use the same Zeppelin dies so they actually use a smaller die and then as we discussed over the year they have interconnects which AMD calls infinity fabric between them so Andy is basically placing multiple chips on the substrate on the package and their smaller chips so they're cheaper to make they have higher yields you can fit more of them per wafer and that contributes to the cost and because of this MCM design Andy makes a single CPU piece of silicon and they put that on the r3s they put it on the r5 r7s the thread Ripper CPUs all the way up the line and then they just sort of fuse off cores or maybe some cores failed validation things like that and that's what gets your product segmentation with thread wrapper there are four of them and two of them are basically active so the other two are more or less sort of silicon substrate interposers so to speak to create a mountain resistance so that's why the CPUs can drop so much in price because if you imagine a $120 r3 CPU is the same components aside from some fusing differences or whatever validation differences as the r7 CPU is maybe some bending differences you can see that there's a lot of margin there which would explain why the prices are so good right now and competitive and on sale so you can check the link below if you want to find those we have a short news article with all the sales and links to them if you're in the u.s. so first for the website news we're gonna have a couple of articles that will be published only on the site and won't make it to the YouTube channel for the next week or two so make sure you check gamers Nexus dotnet for those and that will include a cherry keyboard review we've also got some roundups on monitors the best monitors that you can kind of buy in various categories right now and roundups on SSDs that will be hitting the website not sure if they'll make do YouTube will try though we do have motherboard roundups and cooler roundups GPUs all come in to the YouTube channel very shortly though for the first real news item Intel is beginning coffee lake assembly and testing out a new plant in China so this is obviously addressing the huge issue of not being able to really buy 8000 series chips including the 8700 K and 8600 K especially which we still haven't been able to get ahold of though I've wanted it for while now for testing so to ease some of the constricted supply and prices hopefully Intel has added a location in Chengdu China to test and assemble the i7 8700 K 8700 the i5 8600 K and I think also the 8400 not sure if the i3 s will be there but I sevens and i-5 s for sure the processes will be identical to that of the assembly line that already exists which is in Malaysia and most of coffee leak has come from there so far so from what Intel says the China made CPUs should be shipping around December 15th if not slightly before then so hopefully supply eases around that point kind of kind of very close to missing the boat on holiday season for Intel but hopefully that helps out a bit and hopefully the prices drop because most recent check I did was $420 for an i7 8700 K on nuoc which is sort of upsetting because it's actually really competitive at the initial rough 370 dollar price range but at 420 it's getting kind of up there so hopefully this helps out another news item from Intel octane 3d crosspoint dims will be arriving in second half of 2018 so this was a presentation at the USB global press conference we actually talked into all about these obtain dims months ago first half of the year right after Computex but we were embargoed for a long time on those it looks like they're finally making some movement so the octane dims use the proprietary memory that Intel's been talking about for a while now but it will fit in a dim slot mechanically and electrically the octane dims will be compatible with ddr4 slots which is really interesting motherboards will probably have to make some updates at least on a BIOS level if not elsewhere to accommodate the obtain dims but electrically and mechanically they should be good to go so this is where I think it's a lot more interesting in its initial deployment obtained as a memory technology on the small SSDs use as a cache drive to us was pretty unexcited seemed like the the problem Intel was trying to solve there was one that doesn't really exist for our audience it's kind of a problem of slow transaction time slow responsiveness from using a hard drive which really that's that's more an issue for like the best buy five hundred four hundred dollar machine that someone's grandparent buys so it didn't help a lot for the enthusiast audience that just you just buy an SSD did not help much there but obtain memory it looks more interesting so we'll keep an eye on it that's second half initially the dims are headed for server and enterprise where big data is obviously more important and then we know that the dims will not be jeddak compliance on the onset but they predict 3d crosspoint ballooning somewhere to an eight billion dollar market by 2021 so as time goes on it looks like Intel thinks opting it's going to work its way into consumer and more relevant ways for our audience the next news item is also about memory types this one is Samsung's zine and the Samsung zine and will somewhat replace the old and now rare SLC NAND or single-level cell and we actually have a full video on what these acronyms and initialisms mean you're curious about how NAND works you can check out that video full with animations to learn more Xena and intense reduced latency below the levels claims by Intel obtain memory it's keeping intel's of focus on latency but driving it further Xena and also will start its drives with the sz9 85 which is an 800 gigabyte competitor to the Intel op 10 P 4800 X the sz9 85 advertises 750,000 random read IOPS with an advertised 3.2 gigabyte per second bandwidth these are both impressive numbers that are highly competitive with Intel things look a little less competitive for the 985 when you look at the write speeds where compared to Intel solution it's an advertised 175 thousand IOPS versus Intel's 550 this isn't a consumer product just like the high-end octane Enterprise Drive is not a consumer product but once again you should probably see it work its way down to us eventually next news item is on cases so case Labs has their Magnum case the SMA 8 that one's been around for a while for them but they've just refreshed it with some new design elements so if you're not familiar with case labs they're a bit of a premier manufacturer which when I tell you the price of the SMA 8 you'll probably agree it's looking like $600 though it's an expensive case the case is targeted at these sort of enthusiasts who would do a full custom dual loop or something like that I suppose you could build like a small home server in there and have a pretty good one but the SMA 8 is going to be updated now with additional cable and tube routing options it's got some more cable clamps and USB type-c more drive cages and also case lighting that effectively amounts to a light box on the bottom of the case so that's a that's that's a new way to do it haven't seen that deployment of light in a case yet it's not unicorn colors and strobing so who knows if it'll be picked up by the wider market Firefox has a new version quantum this week Mozilla released the newest version of Firefox out of beta to combat Google Chrome with a renewed vigor and the most newsworthy aspect of its release is the touted memory usage it's 30% less than Chrome according to firefox so anyone who likes a lot of tabs probably time to move over to this one or at least considered it quantum is also allegedly beating chrome in browser speed tests that we haven't confirmed these numbers for ourselves in a bid to leapfrog Corsair g.skill is now laying claim to the throne when it comes to the world's fastest 32 gigabyte ddr4 kits on the night Corsair said they had about a week or two ago the numbers are coming in at forty 400 megahertz with timings of CL 19 19 19 and 19 at 39 like Corsair the memory modules are made using prebend Sam's on ICS Corsair recently suggested that their memory kit should only be used with prebend coffee like CPUs something we'll be talking about very soon and g.skill echo is a similar sentiment memory overclocked this high on her we're like coffee lake really isn't that practical that's not to say coffee like can't do it in fact it's one of the few CDs that can the problem is you enter territory where now you're bidding for the IMC in addition to probably the core because you you don't want a great IMC in a bad core that you get stuck at four point nine or four point eight or something so it adds a lot of cost adds a lot of challenges we've spent the last several days working on memory benchmarking and it's not trivial to get it working so it's cool but just keep in mind that if you actually want to buy something like this there's a lot of work involved in getting it to work next one cooler master cooler master is adding RGB to their ML 240 and 120 l closed-loop liquid coolers this is joining the RGB party a bit late but they're making it there and the company released the master liquid ml 240 L and 120 l RGB versions with six different effects through an RGB controller it's also compatible with integrated controllers if you prefer those from various motherboard vendors including asrock Asus MSI and gigabytes and both models support the latest AM for socket from AMD and should be available the fact of immediately the ML 240 L will go for $70 while the smaller 120 will go for 60 making these some of the cheapest if not might be the cheapest coolers of comparable sizes with RGB support on the market we haven't tested those but I think we might be planning to test one of the non RGB ones which would have the same performance finally Corsair has their mlpro RGB series fans leave these have been in the news for a little bit now but we haven't really talked about them these are based on Corsairs magnetic levitation fan tech that they've been using for a little while now for the uninitiated this bearing creates a magnetic field so that the bearing and the fan shaft have little to no surface contact which results in less friction thereby reducing noise and increasing reliability the new mlpro RGB fans will have four zones from which light will emanate and will integrate into any of course there's lighting products including the node pro or commander Pro the fans are supposed to be 120 and 140 in sizes and have interchangeable rubber corners taking a page out of the knock to a book recently the 120 option is a range of 400 to 1600 rpm while the 140 runs 400 1200 and they're going to be expensive $35 for the mlpro 120 and $40 for the 140 variant both of which have a five-year warranty so that's all for this episode as always you can 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