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everyone welcome back to another hardware news recap for the last week lots of r-tx stuff going on not sure if this video will go live before after the review is probably before but we have an RT x factory overclock lockdown to discuss aren t ax assembly differences that we found and you'll see in our previous to tear down videos of the RT x cards founders edition cards gigabytes advertising using our content without permission that was an interesting and unexpected one and then Intel report of the outsourcing some of its 40 nanometer production to tsmc before that this video is brought to you by Thermal Grizzlies high-end thermal paste and liquid metal thermal Grizzlies cryo not is an affordable high quality thermal compound that doesn't face some of the aging limitations of other pastes on the market cryo not has a thermal conductivity of 12.5 watts per meter Kelvin focuses on endurance is easy to spread and isn't electrically conductive making it safe to use on GPU dies thermal grizzly also makes conductor not liquid metal which we've used to drop 20 degrees off some temperatures than our dee-lighted test by a tube at the link in the description below so first up here our TX assembly differences we have the teardown video where we go through the PCB primarily and then the one where we took apart the cooler up separately and hopefully we can have some b-roll that in this segment so what we found there a few different things that weren't mentioned in that video one of them the thermal pads difference so the there are canvas throne pads similar to the Fuji poly pads on our 2080 founders Edition card we should have footage of it versus the normal pads on our 2080 ti founders Edition card so theoretically the 28 es in this instance should actually be the better of the two and I thought it really ultimately matters a whole lot we're not sure why they're different especially why they're different skewing better towards the lower end card but most likely it's because anybody is using multiple sources to get these cards made and so it's either because these were made before the entered mass production or they just didn't have the supply and switch thermal pad suppliers randomly between the cards which is going to skew their own results a bit so we're not really quite sure what to make of that we've reached out and asked Nvidia why how to received an answer as of filming this and then additionally there's an RGB LED controller on it we noticed when profile II probably in that top thing off the part that was glued on that's his r-tx 2080 TI is glued on like an apple product when we pried that off there's an RGB LED controller under it and the cable can support RGB LEDs and yet the logo only outputs green so a little little weird it seems like and video don't want to jump on that RGB bandwagon but for whatever reason they've probably artificially disabled RGB LEDs from what we can tell because we know it's green because if you look at the press footage from their own press event all the stuff that's publicly now you can see the cards running and it's green LEDs and it does not change color as far as we're aware but it has the capability to so we're not sure why they didn't enable that and finally this one's extremely small the 4 millimeter hex screws that go under the backplate which again we have shots of that too are black on the 28 efe versus a silver color on the 2080 TI fe so it doesn't matter but they're different that's the three main differences we saw between them that we can talk about today but moving on our T X factory overclocking potentially locked down as discovered by tech power of the developers of the extremely useful GPC utility if you don't use it we highly recommend you download it it is an excellent overclocking application for gesture doesn't actually do the O scene but it monitors all the thermals and statistics of your cards so tech powerup develops GPZ and in doing their development for updates to RTX they discovered that Nvidia created multiple device IDs for new touring GPUs and working with this information and their own industry sources techpowerup was able to confirm that Nvidia intends to recreate its gtx 1070 TI scenario where inboard partners were barred from making overclocking models of their gtx 1070 T eyes and had to stick to a fixed clock for all models of that card so we recently showed the dies a few r-tx 20 series GPUs in our tear downs and you'll notice that the name includes things like k1 which that specific strain is an identifier of which memory module is missing as far as we understand now they also contain a signifier of either 300 or 400 some other suffix and that's what techpowerup found as a difference between factory overclocked and completely locked down chips for board partners techpowerup confirmed the following quote when a board partner uses a320 and GPU variants factory overclocking is forbidden only the more expensive - 30 - a variants are meant for this scenario or - 300 a probably both can be overclocked manually by the user but it's likely that the overclocking potential on the lower bin won't be as high as on the higher rated chips separate device IDs could also prevent consumers from buying the cheapest card with reference clocks and flashing it with BIOS from a faster factory overclocked variant of that card think buying an MSI gaming card and flashing it with the bios of a gaming X so to clarify this doesn't look like an end-user limitation you'll still be able to overclock the card but it's a limitation of what the board partners are allowed to do for factory overclocking which means that the chip is probably lower quality so you probably won't be able to overclock it as high if you're doing it as a user and again to clarify it's the 300 ID versus 300 a one could argue that this is a good move with disallowing the board partners from differentiating themselves by clocks but doing so would require you to say that well it ensures a certain level of chip quality for overclocking cards and that this certain level of quality would allow you to sustain higher overclocks then leave our been chips it does not increase Nvidia's yields as far as we're aware because they'd be selling those chips anyway it's just that you typically rely on board partners to pretest and sort them for performance as EVGA does with their kingpin cards or their gaming black cards at the lower end on the other hand this is a restriction on board partners that isn't necessary we should trust board partners to do their own testing and if they fail to do so let the users find out from other media or other users and stop buying from that partner if this locked clock variant exists in reality and it probably does Nvidia is slowly chipping away at the advantages that board partners provide for this generation there's almost certainly reality that Nvidia is charging more for these on mock GPUs which are sold to board partners for factory overclocking and we'll link that article below if you want to read it and our show notes you should also download gpu-z if you don't have it but kind of concerning its it's not necessarily a big deal it's just that if nvidia is creating more 1070 TI scenarios where all the cards are the same even for the clocks the only difference is the cooler most people don't overclock so that's not something we really like but we'll see what they do in theory they're selling higher end ones but that might be what's partly driving up the price because here's the problem and video is now whether they say it or not and they won't they're competing with their own board partners because their founders Edition card is a dual axial card it's also one of the really it's supposed to be a higher end card and it's sold at $100 over official MSRP but in reality if you're selling to board partners these chips that are specially unlocked for factory overclocking how much does that boost their cost does that put them above the founders Edition cost and then they also have to deal with the cooler custom PCB all these other things so it's not on unrealistic that board partners end up above Effie pricing and Effie has a dual axial cooler so it the limit the the value they provide is now limited and that's a bit of a concern because Nvidia this entire this whole launch is behaving very much like Apple and that's something we're concerned about and video makes a good product their game products are largely uncontested the prices on the 10 series are great right now for the value so we like the present lineup of higher-end products barring things like the 1063 gigabyte and the 1030 stuff like that that you already know about the cards do fine it's a good product but the company is behaving in a way that's a little bit concerning considering its rough 70 to 80 percent market share in the gaming market because they have a lot of poll and seeing that poll exercised in the ways it has been with taurine is disconcerting today I'm moving on gigabyte using our content as an advertisement against well actually without even asking us or telling us and I have YouTube premium so I didn't see it so some of you reported to us that you saw our gigabyte r-tx 2080 hands-on from pax run as an advertisement on YouTube before content made by our our peers in the space like the other technique series so we'd never authorized the use of this content I'm glad you all emails us or tweeted at us thank you for doing so we filmed this content as part of our regular show reporting it was a news report from pax from the show floor so we were confused why it appeared as an ad that wasn't what it was and after reaching out to gigabyte we found out that the company used our independently produced video which was entirely our content as an advertisement without our permission or even telling us and we demanded of course if that be terminated it was fortunately relatively quickly so we've heard that this has become a common problem with YouTube reviewers mkbhd had this issue with I believe his oneplus review where the company used his review as an ad and it does boost the views significantly but it doesn't benefit any of us does you're not watching that sense ads within the video because it's already an Adsense ad so we don't gain anything from that other than potentially it's harnessed reputation because now his oneplus review looks like a paid advertisement and the same is true for anyone else who'd ends up in that situation I think Luke from Linus tech tips had that problem too in the past so it's a problem and it carries a few issues a few of them are for example it makes the reviewer like us in this case look like we're endorsing a product makes us look like we're endorsing the Gigabyte r-tx 20/80 that we showed at pax because they're using it as an ad when in fact we've never used the card and have no idea if it's any good so we don't endorse it it's I'm completely neutral towards it I don't know if it's good or bad and then further it makes it look like we were paid for that video but in reality we're at PAX to work on a panel and to show reporting which is what that was so that's definitely not the image that is accurate or the one we want Thank You gigabyte for creating it for us and then further gigabyte could easily film their own advertisement this is the weird thing here so they have the card they have more time with the card they could have a studio with a card we were on a show floor and spent 10 minutes shooting it so they can make a better ad than our 5 minute long video which contains some criticisms of the product and an ad for another company baked into the video bit odd so then you have to start asking why would they run our content as an ad if they can make a better one and the answer is it's because as the same for mkbhd it's because they know that reviewers have credibility and carry weight and people will see that reviewer and think that they endorse the product and that's incorrect in this situation we don't know if it's any good or not so the company leveraged our position in the market to try and promote their own product one which we presently haven't used which is a huge violation of any sort of trust with us and it also can tarnish the reputation of the media outlets mkbhd us Luke anyone else so we want to be clear we do not endorse the r-tx 28 gigabyte cards and have never used them so we don't know if they're any good gigabyte did provide a public apology after the incident and the letter reads gigabyte would like to issue a formal apology to gamers Nexus 4 recently promoting one of their videos as a pre-roll ad on YouTube gigabyte was wrong for using content from gamers Nexus without consent and I've put measures in place to ensure this kind of situation is not repeated in the future to be clear the video was not sponsored by gigabyte nor should their coverage be misconstrued as an endorsement of gigabytes product or brand gigabyte has great respect for the work gamers Nexus does to bring accurate and unbiased information to the enthusiast community so first of all Thank You gigabyte and well that was internally who pushed for this pushed for us to get an apology of some kind we appreciate that some of the people there obviously took this issue extremely seriously our contact primarily and pushed to resolve it so thank you to the individuals doing that and the company seems to understand it now so that's good too but if anyone sees our content or really any youtubers content run as a pre-roll ad in the future be advised that we might not be aware it's an ad and a lot of us as content creators have YouTube premium just so we understand how that works so if you see it please let us know via Twitter and it's almost certain that it's not an authorized use of the content so we'll get it taken down if you see it that way but thanks for pointing it out to us issues completely resolved with gigabyte they took it all down they were pretty understanding once we explained the problem so we're good there but I did want to clarify for everyone who reported the issue next one intel is attempting to mitigate an expected supply constraint of 49 we see use as reported by digit times and digit times also suggest that Intel is looking to offload some of their lower end lower margin products like the HP 10 chipset to TSMC by outsourcing the HD 10 chipset and several other 300 series chipsets in quotes this would allow Intel its precious fab capacity for higher margin products which would no doubt be server grade data center chips as digit times notes TSMC is already under contract for some of Intel's SOC and FPGA design so they would be a natural first choice as they already have experience supporting Intel's designs onto their nodes additionally there is speculation that CEC 2019 or California Energy Commission regulations could have some bearing on the move to TSM C as California is set to have at stringent new power regulations for PCs and other electronics in saying that until may find it appropriate to lean on an external foundries lower power node rather than refining their own amidst a supply crisis and report by semi accurate the company purportedly obtained documents from HP e to illuminate the effects of Intel's 40 nanometers shortage one such effect being a potential increase in sales of an these epic CPUs the documents are internal from HPE and detail mitigation strategies were dealing with Intel being unable to meet demand for their Xeon skylake SP CPUs the most eye-catching among these strategies and probably the most practical is to quote offer alternatives these alternatives would be the AMD epoch based platforms the server ones last year AMD and Hewlett Packard Enterprise announced the ProLiant gen 10 series of servers based on AMD epoch these are the exact models HPE would be recommending in lieu of models using the Intel Xeon SP processors HPE as well as other enterprise players may be looking to AMD in the last half of this year to mitigate loss in sales while Intel struggles to meet demand and for another brushstroke in the painting of Intel's misfortunes and supplying 14 nanometer based chips is Intel based laptop shortages although they have an upside of potentially lowering DRAM prices there could be a silver lining here so for consumers if you're not buying into all based laptops out anyway there's a report from DRAM exchange which is a leading memory price website that shows OMS are suffering from insufficient supply of intell's new whiskey Lake processors yet another high demand part and 14 nanometer is exacerbating Intel's struggle to meet the unanticipated 40 nanometer demand without 10 nanometers support to back it up so this constricted supply is set to disrupt a laptop production but it could lower DRAM prices and these have been exorbitantly high for about two years now even with price fixing investigations going on in China and elsewhere and there's a gap between production and sales here with a decrease in laptop shipments there will be a hopefully an abundance of DRAM supply in the market which could potentially drive down prices for fourth quarter 2018 it just depends on whether that supply comes to us in the enthusiast space or not the next one a new study concludes that ISPs are increasing throttling so why is this in the news is this this is news apparently I have species are increasing throttling so research from Northeastern University confirms what is really not surprising which is that ISPs are throttling network traffic the data which is subject to of an exhaustive study set for published in 2019 highlights the trend of arbitrary throttling by many US cellular providers primarily throttling when network traffic is at its peak is one thing but throttling just because is kind of a different thing with no apparent rationale either as the report indicates what's more is the throttling tends to be aimed at video streaming services like YouTube and Netflix and even Amazon ISPs are cherry-picking at which network traffic to throttle which is known as differentiation a violation of the previous net neutrality framework struck down this year the study finds that throttling is happening discriminately 24/7 even when the network appears to be uncongested often the big ISPs are the focal point of these issues AT&T Verizon the defect from charter but this study shows that smaller lesser-known ISPs are happy to follow suit Hue's network systems a subsidiary of Hewes Communications is actually a satellite provider and according to the data they're guilty of throttling Netflix to a mirror 0.7 megabits per second there's no reason to believe that rampant throttling won't extend to wired networks either there were already many cases of that just before net neutrality was gutted and many fear here that ISP behavior will go unchecked post net neutrality including us because we already deal with evil ISPs and they're getting eviler as it were so next one 52 percent of us gamers play on PC according to eat our eeda are the one of the research companies that we've reported on in the past shows a 20-18 gamer segmentation report finding that 67 percent of Americans play video games seems kind of low to be honest and 52 percent of those gamers playing on PC additionally the report also finds that 42 percent of gamers play on a console or designated device and of course some of these numbers can overlap because it's you could actually play on multiple things not just PC believe it or not and Mobile is still King here accounting for 60% of the gamers of the people who identified as gamers and the report not a big surprise there the free version of the report doesn't dive into how many gamers play across multiple devices ie how many PC players play on console or mobile but it should be in the paid report if you're a market researcher and want that data the numbers are interesting though if only to rebuke the misnomer that PC gaming is dead as it's been reported for the last decade now and it serves as fodder for the pc vs consoles or so feel free to use that link as you violently attack other people for enjoying something that you think is bad next one up and video will introduce a scanner for automatic over clocks we talked about this with Tom Peterson in our interview with him but it's a new scanner that's actually the old scanner that's been rebuilt so this is a one-click overclocking utility it launches a scanning program it checks a bunch of voltage and frequencies Klotz a curve for it and theoretically builds a pretty good overclock that is based on performance characteristics so you might have different clocks on frequencies depending on the type of load the application is producing which is good because if you typically work with you work with any kind of overclock and you try and do it quickly you'll find that it's stable and one advocate not the other so in theory scanners supposed to do that better but in the past it crashed a lot especially the EVGA version of scanner but they're trying to build a new one for twenty series cards this is still one-click automatic overclocking so as always it might not well let's be honest it's not going to do what manual overclocking would do so if you enjoy manual overclocking just keep doing that but if you just want better performance and you don't want to put any effort into it baby it's worth while it probably is worthwhile we'll test it and we'll let you know it was decent in the past it's just that manual always did better but automatics not bad these days finally hardware sales lonely when we lined up for now is and these threader for 1920 axes been marked down pretty substantially from launch and will probably stay there at this point because a thread Ripper too so if you want a CPU and you don't need it to be the newest and the best it's a decent price we'll link that below 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