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HW News - Memory Price Update, GTX 1060 "Ti," & Fake RX 580

2018-10-22
this is a pretty good hardware news recap for the last week and videos got a new GTX 1060 sort of Ti coming out it's actually the fourth iteration of a 1060 might be missing one in there there have been a lot and there's another one now and not to be outdone AMD is really refreshing its Polaris lion - I guess compete with Nvidia's need to re re re re refresh its Pascal line memory prices are expected to fall even further so that's good news for everyone and then Z 390 of course has arrived so we have some information on that Silicon Lottery has released its bidding statistics and Backblaze has more hard drive failure rate analysis before that this video is brought to you by the be quiet dark rock 4 and dark rock Pro for CPU coolers these high-end coolers to focus on a smarter approach to air cooling by adding a mini fin stack on top of the direct contact cold plate adding small bumps to the fins for increased service area and by using silent wanes 135 millimeter fans custom-built for high performance cooling without too much noise the pro is a dual Tower cooler rated for 250 watt TDP while the dark rock 4 is built for 200 watt TDP 's learn more at the link of the description below so first up quick GN news item you can go to store that gamers Nexus dotnet to pick up our new limited edition graph foil shirt so the last limited edition foil shirt we did sold out within a couple of weeks we expect this one probably will - we have the pre-sales up so we can figure out the distribution of sizes everyone wants and then once they're sold through that's it we might have a couple left over like last time that we can open up later but if you want one grab it on store dígame is exes dotnet earlier because they are limited and we're not gonna make anymore once they're sold so first major news item here memory prices are expected to fall even further analysts at trend force continued to aggressively adjust their expectations for memory pricing downward which is really good news that we haven't heard in a while especially for the last quarter of this year and into early 2019 trend force is typically acted in its price calculations so this is a good place to look for some real analysis of the potential DRAM and SSD pricing going forward DRAM prices could or as much as 20% year-over-year in 2019 due to weak prices and a growing oversupply problem at least for the manufacturers of that memory also affecting this is the slow smartphone shipments and sluggish notebook shipments the latter of which is largely a result of Intel's problems keeping up with 14 nanometers supply and the demand obviously because they have a 40 nanometers shortage and haven't been able to move to ten in any meaningful fashion so these things all contribute to falling prices of memory which is great for all of us this would effectively kill the lucrative growth cycle that's been going on for nine consecutive quarters in the memory world NAND is also expected to see a 25 to 30 percent price reduction coming up likely in 2019 and that's mostly resulting from increased production capacity from manufacturers along with again changes in the demand of that supply if you haven't looked too recently take a look at some of our SSD sale links we'll post in the description below SSDs are really affordable right now if you felt bad about RAM you know at least feel good about the SSDs so we just bought five of the Samsung 860 evos 250 gigabytes for $55 just to give you an idea of where prices have fallen lately which is huge that's a big reduction and we picked up a couple one terabyte SSD is at 150 bucks just to use as game drives so it's all looking good again we'll link those below but it seems like there's finally some price relief in all areas of the memory segment for the enthusiast buyer next up NVIDIA recently published official specifications this is not a rumor this happened and video published real specifications for a new GTX 1060 and it's not a joke either this indicates a move to gddr5 X for the now fourth skew of the GTX 1060 card the GTX 1066 gigabyte card now comes in two modern versions but it's had three since it came out there's the eight gigabit per second gddr5 option that's pretty much what you get today you buy six gigabyte gtx 960 there's the three gigabyte that's a bit cheaper and half the memory and 10% for your SMS by which I mean I think it's one fewer SM and now there's the gddr5 X version and previously if you had forgotten there was also a GTX 1069 gigabit per second gddr5 option which the differences really amounted to basically margin of error in testing from eight to nine gigabit per second memory so kind of curious to see how much 5x actually matters here but we also don't know if the dye has changed yet we have to open it up and see we don't know if it's GP 104 106 what it is but we'll see so the FPU count will remain the same or if you prefer the CUDA cores cores FPU count is the same frequency is the same at least spec reference we're left with primarily a memory bandwidth change and we have to question how much that actually matters so it's it's interesting need to see if anybody to change the dye but overall it's looking like another gtx 1060 from nvidia to try and keep things I don't know brash or something it's kind of asked it's like sprucing up a corpse at this point with some flowers it's been out for a long time and grungy gr5 acts might not really do anything AMD though doesn't want to be outdone here they want to show that they are also capable of re re refreshing their Polaris line and they've done that now silently by releasing an rx 580 the problem with this one and this is a bigger problem than the 1060 with g5x the problem because it's kind of an upgrade problem with the grx 580 is that the new one is the RX 580 2048 that number might sound like it's the same streaming processor count as the RX 570 the reason it sounds the same is because it is it's the same the RX 570 has 2048 FP use as well and the RX 580 has somewhere along the lines of 256 more of them so it's like it's an rx 580 with fewer FPS that equates the FPU count of an Rx 570 ergo is an Rx 570 named arc 5/8 I guess Halloween's coming up maybe AMD just dress up a five seven day as a 580 and ship it there are some changes though so if you felt like this thing didn't need to exist you should know that it's going to be 40 megahertz faster and that's all I'm finding on this paper that's that's the only change especially megahertz increase in frequency and the names different this looks like it's going to be a China region thing so you probably won't see a pop up in western markets but if you do just when you buy five 80s from now on be careful about the FPU count especially if it's used or rebind from like Alibaba Aliexpress or something like that it might be a reduced core count product and that would be unfortunate it's also really weird time because there's 580 and Vega 56 or actually fairly competitive and pricing these days now that the mining stuff has died down so it's unfortunate that Andy's doing this when those products should be getting kind of hot again for gamers the releasing one that could be very confusing depending on who's buying it the principal technology stories kind of is dead at this point that that story is is well reported on we're back to the sprucing up a corpse theme that I said a moment ago but AMD responded with their own best practices for benchmarking Rison they called it best practices went out to some media we got a copy of it and this document primarily echoes the same complaints we had so Andy's got the same issues here of PT is testing the only reason this is news is because it's coming from AMD this time and AM the lists among other things questionable memory configurations uncontrolled thermal testing questionable or unclear C states and multi-core enhancement or MCE configurations and unaddressed motherboard settings the company also released this information on the same day that Intel lifted its embargo for the 9000 series processors and likely not by accident let's get one of those slides up on the screen so AMD also listed with the second version of the Intel performance reports some more issues citing the following items unclear MCE settings on g3 90 suspect memory configurations unaddressed thermal environment disparities on address GP assortment and performance deltas unaddressed sample size collection and selection methodologies and under SZ 370 C state configuration and this is where we we pretty much agree with all these things so that is specifically for the second version of the PT report not the first one basically again same stuff we've been saying but it's coming from AMD noun so that makes it a bit interesting MSI has spoken a bit about us-china tariffs recently with the RT X 20 series Chinese publication pc online interviewed some representative at msi and dug into topics like the us-china tariff war and RT X 20 series video cards PC online inquired as to whether recent tariffs will impact manufacturing cause for CPUs and GPS in an adverse way li away deputy general manager of msi global multimedia business unit stated that he believed the prices for Nvidia's RT x 20 series cards were remain consistent as the majority of the cards are constructed outside of china speaking to availability way stated that shipments on our TX cards were tight mostly due to production challenges the turning dye is significantly larger and more complicated and tsmc has reportedly had yield issues additionally all of the RT x cards used well over 2000 components to produce compared to the gtx 1080 Ti is 1,600 components according to this msi representative silicon lottery the famed website known for binned chips and offering deleting services released their history of betting success dating back to Devil's Canyon these statistics are especially illuminating if you are looking to overclock you see view on the list as it contains a voltage applied instruction sets used during testing and what percentage of chips are able to obtain a certain frequency for instance according to Silicon Lottery only 4% of Intel's i7 87 hundred KS can hit 5.3 gigahertz while 83% can achieve 5 gigahertz likewise 98% of a.m. these 1800 X CPUs can hit 3.9 gigahertz but that number shrinks to 18% 4.1 gigahertz there are a couple of caveats to the list intel skylake xkb lake and coffee lake cpus were deleted and many more CPUs that were excluded from the list due to low sample size for testing and we'll link that report in our show notes in the article in the description below if you want to read more about that Backblaze up next Backblaze is an online backup service they regularly publish failure rates and failure data for the thousands of hard drives that they purchase and they've released their newest quarterly report on hard drive failures with now ninety seven thousand six hundred two hard drives monitored making up the full data in the report according to Backblaze data growth is expected to continue pretty much uninterrupted here with most of that data being stored in the cloud if we're going to call it that and use that word the bulk of data is still expected to remain on spinning drives especially for large archival data and so either density must continue to increase or data centres have to be built out with something like a hundred thousand drives for example so three terabyte and six terabyte drives are being supplanted by twelve terabyte hard drives as manufacturers continue to up their densities this is in back lasers report and back lays also reports that the larger drives still have a very low AFR annualized failure rate of one point two one percent while the overall failure rate for quarter three is 1.71 percent this is the lowest ever achieved or at least monitored by Backblaze in their reports and the checkout rates for specific models and manufacturers you can find the article again in our show notes below and that's got information on individual drives so if you're thinking of buying one you're not really sure how reliable it is we'll have data and the in the description linked below finally hardware sales for this week so again SSDs are on crazy sales lately actually it's time to sale it's actually just kind of the new price at this point so we picked up 860 Evo's and I think 850 Evo's for at 250 gigabytes for 50 to $60 and we'll link one of those below the one terabyte drives are also cheaper now MSI's RX 570 armored 8 gigabyte card at time of filming is about 160 bucks which is pretty damn good including free games we'll see if that laughs and if it doesn't maybe you can buy the RX 580 that's actually an RX v 7a instead because apparently that's the thing now so that's it for this one as always subscribe for more are going to store that game is next Annette to pick our limited-edition Graf logo shirt thank you to all those who have so far and go to 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