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everyone welcome back to a hardware news recap we're gonna talk about the last week in hardware with an initial note on some coffee like follow-ups so when I did the review we talked about how we didn't really know what the pricing and availability would be yet because reviews are obviously films before the thing goes up for sale so now we know we can talk about that a little bit I've got some news on t 370 motherboards in o3d has a 768 cuda cores GTX 1060 that's kind of interesting it's normally 1280 CUDA cores for reference and then some other industry news like the death of a hotel instant messenger before that this video is brought to you by thermal Grizzly makers of the conductor hot liquid metal that we recently used to drop 20 degrees off of our coffee leak temperatures thermal grizzly also makes traditional thermal compounds we use on top of the IHS like cryo not and hydro not pastes learn more at the link below so let's start with a note on thermal testing and coffee like we had thermals for coffee like lidded and deleted and one of the things I've seen online is people citing different thermal numbers from different review outlets hours and minuses and so forth where one outlet like Linus I think got in the 90s 90 92 degrees Celsius and some of ours were era they're anywhere from 60 something to 70 mid to high 70s depending on what test the part that I want to pick a bone with here is that some of the Comets I've seen online today that we filmless the day of coffee lake release have been things like Linus got 92 degrees Celsius where gamers Nexus got 68 degrees Celsius that's not really how it works well like you can't just say it's not a score it's not like a fire strike score it's not a number that's assigned to you based on some one click benchmark if thermal as I'm sure all of you know depend on basically everything what frequency was used what molded was used what motherboard was used we published a whole video on just motherboard with different Auto settings can impact the temperature but more importantly what cooler was used and I'm not sure what every reviewer uses four coolers I don't really check but we used a crack in X 62 with max pump and fan speeds that's what we always do for these thermal tests just because it's we know it'll accommodate everything for the most part and that means it's easier to check scaling because what you don't want in our situation is to encounter a CPU that runs hot enough where your standard means of benchmarking in terms of coolers is not adequate because if that happens then you lose all that comparative data so we don't like that we use an X 62 I don't know what Linus used I don't know what anyone else used but the point is that all the numbers can be correct it's just how did they test it and even workload matters so testing in prime95 28 point five or twenty nine point two versus twenty six point six that alone can have massive differences because your ABX workload versus non AVX workload produces a different amount of heat you start doing things like hyper threading on CPUs and now you're spinning off more ABX threads per core and so your heats gonna be higher per core whereas something with no hyper threading would be lower temperature in that instance because it's doing 180 X thread per core instead of two or something like that so application matters all that stuff matters so the point being that when when quoting temperature numbers online please try and keep the parameters somewhat in the quote because seeing things like line of Scott ninety degrees Celsius or gamers axis got 68 degrees Celsius drives me a little bit crazy because it means absolutely nothing if I put it under liquid nitrogen and benchmarked it and said that we got negative 100 degrees like it does is that still a valid number to share does that mean coffee like has phenomenal cooling because realistically of course the answer is well if it's under a different cooling element then it's going to perform differently from what other people see that's all I wanted to say about that but another quick note so going through some of the charts and stuff we noticed that in our coffee like temperature numbers for the blender 4.9 gigahertz overclocked with I think a 1.4 v ID or peak or rather one point 4 volts 4.9 gigahertz in blender the data referenced was in the incorrect column so the correction to that is one we'll put on the screen now the difference is 4 degrees Celsius so sorry instead of 24 degrees Celsius cooler with liquid metal it's actually only 20 degrees Celsius cooler so of course that completely changes everything except not at all because it's still 20 degrees Celsius cooler with liquid metal and actually on that note so I did some more looking into this the we show that Intel still uses Tim obviously as evidence PI at 20 see difference in this particular heavily overclocked test 20 see difference going to liquid metal where's Tim they're still using Tim I'm not 100% sure if it's the same Dow Corning's stuff as always or if it's slightly better one thing I do know is that the die size is larger on coffee lake on the 8700 k and that means you're spreading the heat out over a larger area now of course it accommodates two more cores so that die size isn't wasted but it's still larger and that plus a questionable change in thermal take in thermal tea and thermal paste questionable meaning I'm not sure if they did those two things together would account for the the slightly better thermal performance in the 8700 k than we saw in the 7700 k that i talked about in the review where basically it seems like it's just at least marginally better and they're bauer and i thought maybe there was a change in thermal compound where maybe they're using the hcc stuff that they use on i-9s on 8700 k but we're not really neither of us is really sure about that or at least I'm not maybe he is by now but he wasn't yesterday so that's all for the the coffee like stuff basically temperature comparisons can't be done cross site or even inter site if they use different coolers and things and and the number 20 20 degrees Celsius difference inside of 24 still worth doing liquid metal one more thing I guess I saw a couple quotes online where people were kind of I was talking with Patrick about this as well who works on a lot of our testing and we've seen some quotes online where people will take like data from deleting or like noctua versus other tests things like that and use it as a bludgeon to hit people over the head with and one of the things I've seen recently was deleting numbers for the 8700 K being used to say you need to deal with the 8700 K for it to be any good thermally no you absolutely do not in fact it actually cools pretty well comparatively and deleting it really helps obviously we would recommend it for really heavy overclocks even just getting rid of some of the silicon adhesive and replacing it with better Tim you'll be in pretty good shape doing that and we're going liquid metal you get our twenty degree Celsius reductions and that helps in a few ways you get about a four percent power reduction for every 10 degree Celsius reduction in temperature and our 20 C versus a 10 to 20 watt reduction and power leakage scales with that model exceptionally well so that's a reason to deal it and do liquid metal heavy overclocks our reason 1.4 plus volts that's a reason if you start running higher power it's also worth deleting and doing liquid metal because if noise is really important to you you can use lower rpm fans to achieve the same cooling I with a 20 degree advantage and an overclocked test it's not always 20 C to be clear this goes back to like you can't just say the number and call it a day not always 20 degrees all these it was 20 degrees Celsius in that test four point nine gigahertz one point four volts in blender and if that's the kind of workload you do doing liquid metal means you can use a cheaper cooler a lower rpm cooler or something in between and end up better off overall but you absolutely do not need to deal it to have a thermally sound 8700 K it's actually quite good but that doesn't mean you can't improve it so just kind of get that stuff out there next topic on the coffee Lake CPUs pricing and availability micro Center I've got a I've got a bone to pick with Micro Center now what the heck $500 the 8700 K every micro Center we we put out a tweet saying what's the pricing and availability of the 8700 K in your region got dozens of replies from all of you thank you and every micro Center screen shot I got $500 apparently it worked just fine cuz they sold out of them but man that is awful this is like there's this like Intel Intel is kind of in the Vega bucket right now we're pricing is insane and availability is nil and who's to blame for it it's probably a mix of retailers distributors suppliers and Intel just like a.m. these issues are a mix of AMD distributors suppliers and and retailers I guess so yeah basically we dug into this a bit so I don't know how many units were available I don't know if it was just like this thing was tremendously desired and so sold out immediately or if it was genuinely Lois stock everything I've heard from the industry is low stock part of the leak we got a couple of about a week or two ago when we published that leak of the the h-series 300 motherboards coming out quarter one next year that was sent to me part of that I got information from a supplier we're a very small percentage I'm like let's let's just go with well yeah 10% basically so 10% of all CPUs going into the country that originated that email to me 10% of their CPUs it was a non-us country we're going to be eighth generation coffee like CPUs in quarter four so meaning 90% our KB Lakes kylieqq whatever's left and we also heard that allocation was pretty small and some retailers and some suppliers were only allowing coffee like sales with the rest of a system sort of like an SI deal where you you see it with Vega to where you get you might be able to get the part easily more easily by going through it with someone like iBUYPOWER CyberPower or one of them because there's more allocation to them as opposed to stand-alone part sales so available that he's definitely not great but I don't know how bad it is or if it's just genuine super-high interest what we do know is the pricing Newegg had it for about $20 over the 1k unit pricing which was I think 3 350s 360 something like that so Newegg was selling at the 370 380 range and a $20 uptick on 1k you pricing is not unreasonable that's pretty normal actually so there Bryson was fine but they're out of stock Amazon has some high fives in stock they didn't have 8700 K s when I checked but they sold out of everything by now for sure and generally pricing was plus or minus a hundred dollars globally from the US $370 price ignoring micro centers absolutely absurd pricing but yeah so pricing seems more or less okay within what you normally see I if some of you have absolutely outrageous prices in your region let me know below obviously I can't keep an eye on every region but from what I've seen it's more or less ok it's just there's no availability and oh this might be of interest I called the few retailers posing as a customer including Micro Center a couple micro Center locations around the US and all of them told me to expect inventory in about two weeks Newegg told me a window of two to four weeks and obviously they think they're talking to a customer here so they're gonna say more but I emailed Intel as well and asked about available at in pricing and Intel provided the following quote on your question the eighth generation Intel Core desktop processors and systems are on sale globally we are actively working with our retailers to fulfill a strong interest from customers on the Intel Core i7 8700 KS q so absolutely nothing of use which is basically every statement I ever get out of Intel yes it's some of the people that are great to work with but when it comes to getting a statement it's always as tight-lipped as possible so that statement is exceptionally useless basically they're saying we're trying to sell the products we just made so a big surprise let's move on to the next topic the next topic vendors are readying Z 370 motherboards EVGA is on the list they have the Z 370 classified K Z 370 ftwe 370 micro and as for evey J's boards the FTW and micro boards are both ten plus one phase designs neither has a RGB and the classified K has an RGB it's also got a killer NIC and it has a 12 plus one phase V RM so that's the difference there the FTW is $1.99 or $200 MSRP and to be determined on the other two for differences between the FTW and classified K other than the vrm we can kind of toggle between the images and it's basically playing the game of spot the difference there aren't many but the classified K does have an extra four pin power header and some other small changes across the board other than these asrock issues and gigabyte have also all of course shown or released their boards at this point the reason for 300 series chipsets as we published previously is that they have a different power delivery subsystem for the high core count chips and just for a coffee like in general because I mean they're different they have different needs to date asrock issues gigabyte MSI and biostar have all outed some of their z3 sony motherboard offerings and we can kind of go through the pictures here but for the most part they're not there's not too much we can talk about yet until we can actually see the VRMs of these things or remove some of the heat sinks and look at them the next news item is from no.3 D no.3 D has a new headless video card they're trying to release which headless means in this context that there's no display out on it so they are looking at doing headless gtx 1060 s no display out they're gonna have GP 106 the GPU but it's modified it has the same 192 bit memory bus however it's going down to 768 CUDA cores from 1280 s that's actually really interesting to me and I'm not sure what like where they're getting the the GPUs I don't know if it's like they can buy these GPUs from Nvidia that have more or less been thrown in the trash bin that have functional memory bosses but half their cores are not working if that's the case they should be cheaper but otherwise basically they're targeting miners who want the memory bandwidth don't care about the cores can run a 75 watt TDP instead of whatever the original was a bit higher for sure and then get rid of display outs and reduce cost overall so that's really pretty interesting but it's not really my market so we'll see I'm most curious about how they get the GPUs the chips and if they're actually cheaper from Nvidia that way or if they're buying proper GP 106 is and then that's disabling stuff which doesn't seem like it make a lot of sense next one is some industry stuff say USB i f published their USB 3.2 type C specs recently that's targeting a 20 gigabit per second bandwidth and it was originally announced back in July the USB implementers forum now published the newest version of the USB specification 3.2 will double the bandwidth of USB 3.1 gen2 for a maximum bandwidth of 20 gigabits per second or 2.5 gigabytes per second the new USB 3.2 hosts and devices will use a multi-lane operation using existing certified 10 gigabit per second type C cables to achieve the new speeds and in product news coolermaster is debuting a new budget family of power supplies in the mwe series these new supplies will offer capacities from 450 to 650 watts with five models in total all models are 80 plus bronze certified and non-modular the PSU is adhere to the ATX form factor have a 100,000 hour mtbf minimum and offer over voltage over power over temperature over current and short circuit protections the price range is 50 to 70 dollars finally SteelSeries has a new keyboard the apex 150 that's aimed at those who like membrane keyboards and want to be able to spill coffee on them the apex 150 has water resistance and two drainage cavities built into it so they've gone a bit hardcore with that apex 150 uses SteelSeries proprietary quick tension system to deliver membrane switches that are rated for 20 million key presses and deliver a quick actuation and tactile feel the apex 150 also has 24 key role over RGB lighting and discord integration whatever that means apex 150 should be a fifty dollars sometime in October and then finally a while Instant Messenger is dead so that's sad I guess it was it was truly pretty revolutionary back when it came out but yeah that one's gone other news star citizen has a 3.0 alpha out for the evocati at this point so the the very early beta testers now have access to 3.0 alpha I'm sure a lot of you at this point have no idea we've ever covered star citizen for probably since about 2012 we've been covering it originally in articles only we have a whole playlist on the channel with probably like 40 videos in it almost all of which are interviews with different people at the company and we've been covering it over the years it's gotten a lot less coverage this year because it's basically impossible to get a hold of Chris at this point Chris Roberts or anyone else because they've had their heads down working on the game so you've heard about 3.0 alpha a bit now if you watched our previous reviews or interviews rather which were at citizencon and it looks like it's finally rolling out to early beta testers so we're alpha testers in this case so yeah I don't know we'll try and follow it it's it's kind of hit a slow down lately but once there's something more substantial to do with star citizen and we'll be doing it hopefully benchmarking that's all for now you get a patreon.com slash gamers Nexus to help us out directly as always or you can get a story that gamers Nexus not net to pick my 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