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hey everyone welcome back to another hardware news recap this week we're talking about EVGA is icx to reddit thread that was going on XT SMC employees being charged with a breach of trust after IP theft and also some news on 14 nanometer and Intel's present shortage of 40 nanometer oh and one more thing GTX 2060 theories are looking to gain some momentum here before that this video is brought to you by Thermal Grizzlies high-end thermal paste and liquid metal thermal Grizzlies cryo knot is an affordable high quality thermal compound that doesn't face some of the aging limitations of other pastes on the market cryo knot has a thermal conductivity of 12.5 watts per meter Kelvin focuses on endurance is easy to spread and isn't electrically conductive making it safe to use on GPU dies thermal grizzly also makes conductor not liquid metal which we've used to drop 20 degrees off some temperatures than our dee-lighted tests by a tube at the link in the description below quick note as always on the GN merge stuff first the mod mats the next round of them are shipping to us this week shipping to us so then we'll ship them out to you so if you want to place an order make sure you get one this round go to store documents nexus dotnet you can backorder the mod mat we've shipped a lot of them so far but this next round is coming in this week so we'll be sending that out as soon as it's in otherwise we have other store merch like always and we'll be restocking these beer glasses pretty soon so for the first news item we have EVGA icx to discussion this blew up on reddit in the past week this news item has to do with EVGA finding themselves in a bit of a kerfuffle lately this is from a reddit thread that was sent to us by several of you actually so here's what's going on this is my best recap of it it's a long story there are a lot of emails involved a long reddit thread as well but the gist of it is that when EVGA posted their r-tx series pre-orders live the initial pre-ordering page for the cards that went up which are not full icx to technology cards but do have icx cool and that pre-order page said incorrectly that those cards had the thermal sensors and had power monitoring and the user placed the user who made this reddit thread anyway placed a pre-order for the card found out actually doesn't these sensors and email than EVGA obviously to complain about this and figure out a solution so that's the the top level now kelvins need to be defined here first of all EVGA and their icx branding it gets a bit confusing so EVGA has had a table on the front page of their site since these pre-orders went up and it's been clarified since but originally that table said the chart said I see x2 for the top end cards that would be the ones that they now call I see x2 technology I see X 2 and the other card said dual fans and what those two things mean originally I see X 2 meant it has these sensors it has power monitoring sensors it has all the cooling solution and duel fans meant that it has just the icx cooler but none of the sensors and none of the power monitoring now they've clarified it so now it says I see X 2 technology which means sensors and power monitoring and I see X 2 cooling which means just the cooler so it's a bit confusing to be fair to all the customers out there EVD a to be fair to them has tried to clarify this but just to make sure everyone's really clear on this when EVGA uses the phrase icx technology they're talking about the nine thermistors the NTC thermistors that are on the PCB that measure the thermal performance of the items near those thermistors and when they say you icx cooling it still has the fans it still has the pin fins it has the thermal pads on the backplate it has the asynchronous fans it has the hydrodynamic bearing and the fans so the cooler is entirely the same it just doesn't have the sensors which means that those cards when they went up for pre-order are pretty close to icx as it was presented which is with the thermal sensors except without the sensors in the original publication so that was the confusion that went on and EVGA has corrected the page now they've removed all references of the thermal sensors and they removed references of the power monitoring on those specific cards they also offered the customer either a full refund for the product since they had pre-ordered something they thought was out but wasn't yet and as an alternative to that step up so it was a paid step up the customer would pay the difference they would be first in line to get the new card with IC X and the IC x2 technology cards that is the ones with the thermal sensors ship about seven to twelve days later because they come out later because they're built later so that was the compromise offered the customer did have a response to that and here's what they said EVGA offered EVGA said we can offer you a cancellation or refund for your XC card and reserve an IC x2 card of your choice to purchase when they are available for sale we would not waive the difference in the price between the items and the pre-order on an IC x2 card at current expectation you would likely be waiting 7 to 14 business days longer for an IC x2 card then if you kept the pre-order this is the best estimation I can give you at the time either way you would be first in line for the model of your choice q in mind however that the dates may change the dates would apply to everyone waiting for these cards not just you if so I will update you accordingly and a customer replied and said well they posted on Reddit at this point and said so yes make the customer compromise because of your mistakes while EVGA literally takes your responsibility obviously waiting even longer for a card for my new build while shelling out more cash do to them misrepresenting their products didn't fly with me and I've canceled my pre-order so I can see it from both sides at this point it was a misrepresentation EVGA was incorrect and saying that the card had thermal sensors when it did not they've corrected that probably a bad move but at least they've corrected it and now it's just a question of is EVGA going to email the customers who did place pre-orders does that seem necessary we asked about it EVGA still figuring this out internally and and you may get an email with some clarification on what is an IC x2 card which even in that email back to the customer was pretty confusing because they said an upgrade to an IC x2 card even though the existing XC cards have icx coolers so I know it doesn't seem a hundred percent clear of EVGA even knows what's icx and isn't but they have charts on the page now so if you were confused it should be pretty clear and if you pre-ordered they might send you a clarification email will see on the customer end I have to say I think it's the EVGA solution of full refund and cancel or pay the difference and get it first is reasonable because if you walk into a store and a product is labeled with Ron price or something you bring it register and they catch a throne price they don't have to legally sell that to you at that price as is commonly thought so I can see it from both sides EB J definitely under on initially but I don't think they need to give out a free upgrade just because of that I think the offer was was reasonable but we'll see we'll see what EVGA does if any of you get one of those emails forwarded along we can talk about it next week moving on to the next item there's an XT SMC employee who has charged with a breach of trust regarding IP theft and this now former GS MC employee simply referred to as Chow has been indicted on breach of trust for stealing confidential documents pertaining to TSM C's 16 nanometer and 10 nanometer process technologies as reported by digit times comm cha was allegedly planning to begin working at Shanghai Holly micro electronics HL MC where he planned to take the trade secrets with him and this is actually a case that we talked about previously regarding when we're going over all the micron stuff the micron law suits all the memory corporate espionage and IP theft trade secret theft in the memory world so this is a continuation of that story so IP theft and infringement accusations have been common in the last couple of months especially and China is continuing to try and bring their own domestic memory production online coinciding with a lot of these common allegations micron is currently locked in a legal battle with UMC and both sides are citing theft of intellectual property and trade secrets against the other one and also IP infringement so it's a battle that's still going on we reported on it pretty heavily in the past but the biggest news item here is that the XT SMC employee has been indicted on breach of trust at this point so if you were wondering how that went that's how it went next on GTX 2060 theories gaining some momentum so this is something that we've talked about a few times now where we thought the RT X branding might go away at the lower end because RT X it stands out just because different and video clearly chose a completely different brand identity for this product and moving the RT X does imply pretty heavily that the cards will be capable of not only just rate racing but all the other stuff that comes with the RT X SDK not necessarily the RT x video cards a lot of different things call our TX right now GTX though we have publicly speculated and it is speculation might make a return for things like the 2015 the 2060 where the cards just won't have enough processing power to deliver real-time rate racing in addition to traditional high-fidelity graphics or high quality graphics and higher geometric complexity as you would expect with any decent video cards so for that reason our TX might get dropped and now that theory is starting to gain some ground so it's not just speculation anymore all of this stated there was a recent Nvidia interview with financial website seeking alpha and this led to new discussion over the theory so Nvidia executive vice president Colette cress said the following it's a it's a big block attacks but you'll listen closely you'll hear Oh everyone's been talking lately the quote was and then just a couple of weeks ago now we've announced the overall cards or overall gaming the cards will come out we'll start with ray-tracing cards specifically we will start with the ray-tracing cards we have the 2080 TI the 2080 and the 2070 coming to market this is a major leap in terms of something that people probably weren't expecting for another 10 years to 15 years the games will look different there'll be a moment that you may pause at whether or not this is a film or whether or not this is a game we're extremely excited to bring this overall technology first to the market and as widespread as we are so these cards will be available shortly within the quarter but we're very excited about the excitement both in the ecosystem with developers as well as what this brings to the overall gamers so yeah I mean there's the quote itself notwithstanding the main thing here is the phrase starting with the RT X cards the the rest of the quote was I mean there was it was a discussion with a financial website and you can tell because there wasn't a lot of Technology discussion there but the big thing again the quote was we all start with the ray-tracing cards and it could be making a mountain out of a molehill but I guess the discussion online lately has been that the phrasing the ray-tracing cards implies that the lower end cards might not be trés enabled which is kind of what we've been saying and other people have been saying all on so it might just be feeding that otherwise and I will see the crux of it though is just that one quote and it didn't come from someone pretty high up at Nvidia so we'll see what happens but our current guess and it is a guess is that the the future car is 2050 2060 cards like that are most likely going to be things like refresh Pascal so you might have a 1070 that becomes a 2060 or something like that not entirely uncommon but something that we think might happen specifically for the RT x-series and the twenty series of cards next up JP ours John petty research published a new report on video card sales for quarter 2 of 2018 quarter two typically sees a decrease in sales by about 10 percent when averaged over the last 10 years of sales but for 2018 quarter 2 posted a decrease of 18 percent for Adam board and all video card sales jpr calls this out to be quote very low when compared to the desktop PC market which decreased 3.4 percent quarter-to-quarter the AIB sales decline is also skewed by high quarter one sales due to cryptocurrency demand which jpr thinks impacted the sales numbers for quarter two and your every year jpr reports a drop in board partnership mints by five point seven percent EVGA RTX 20 line up was shown at PAX West about a week ago now the rest of the RT X cards we showed previously at Gamescom with the RT X announcement but they had a couple of high res images that they sent over to us after a couple of them were lifted from a live stream we figured we'd reach out and get the actually high quality versions for publication so EVGA has and will show them on screen has a blower design coming up with the acrylic faceplate seen on the other RT X designs that seems to be their unifying ID for this generation of cards there's another design that's revamped for the FTW 3 series that we previously filmed that games come and then there's the hydro copper at CW 3 image that was sent to us anyway not the actual card yet and this is an open-loop waterblock card with an acrylic faceplate fitting the rest of the ID and is a continuation of the existing hydro copper line from EVGA there's also the hydro copper XC for a lower profile shorter PCB solution and then the hybrid series of cards for closed-loop liquid cooler solutions which would include the larger form factor hybrid FTW three with a taller PCB and the shorter hybrid XC the final solution is the XC and XC 2 series which we previously detailed at Gamescom and should have some footage of that already another report here on intel potential 14 nanometer chips shortages so this is there was a tweet that one of you sent to us recently where it was we'll put it on the screen but just talking about how Intel's kind of got one side taken out by 10 nanometer delays and then the other where they've been pushing 14 nanometer is now kind of facing shortages so the reports and source is mostly shown by digit times again indicate a shortage taking form for Intel's 40 nanometer CPU specifically as we approach the second half of 2018 we briefly mentioned this back in July when it's how openly admitted in statements to investors and others that there are potential supply issues coming up with increased demand for 14 nanometer as it's aged especially and this is what was discussed in an earnings call back then but Intel vowed to work with their customers to mitigate the constant supply shifts and the supply constraints that are affecting them currently so the supply crisis seems to be taking shape now and could set the stage for price hikes and non availability for the holiday season which is fast approaching Intel Supply whoa stem from an unexpected demand increase as well as unanticipated 14 nanometer production being pushed on to the fabs a byproduct of the long delayed 10 nanometer node much of Intel's fabs were expected to be in full production of 10 nanometer by now so having to retool them for unplanned 40 nanometer silicon production is time intensive to say the least further exacerbating the problem is Intel's new Amber and whiskey Lake processors which are expected to power a slew of new low-power notebooks and tablets like a sirs new laptops shown at Aoife 2018 whether or not Intel can keep retailers in stock with CPUs will be one of a couple variables that underpin the PC component market in the last half of the year with the other being the US China tariff discussion we should have a complete separate video on that sometime soon if not already when this goes up so check the for that one I might come out after this and they announced their new Athlon 200 GE CPU with Vega graphics coming to market September 8 so it's already out and it's 55 bucks Andy is aiming to get the Athlon 200 GE to be a pentium counterpart or a killer if they have it their way and that's attacking the low-end market where Intel has done well with its Pentium G 45 60 and more recently the G 5600 2 CP is that with am these competition the r5 and i-5 market where Andy is doing exceptionally well in taw has managed to hang on to the low end with a penny on products but that is now being challenged by the 200 GE and by the a320 chipset which uses a lock to multiplier for this so for the part itself it is a Zen based Athlon product it's a 2 core 4 thread part with integrated Radeon Vega graphics the Vega graphics have 3 ECU's while the chip itself offers a 3.2 gigahertz clock rate with no boost so that's just flat 3.2 the 200 GE will also support the ABX instruction set which is an acute benefit over the Pentium and Celeron competition there's a new rumor about an Nvidia tu 106 chips so we've been trying to label these specifically as rumors when we have them and limit them to maybe one per episode lately but this one is interesting there's a version update that was put out for hardware info 64 which is actually some of the leading software monitoring solutions we've one of the best we've used lately so hardware info 64 listed support for an Nvidia tu 106 and it's update notes and we know the our TX 28 is based on tu-104 and the our TX 20 atti is based on presumably a tu 102 chip really would make sense and video goes down a numerical value as the size of the die increases so tu 100 if it exists would be the biggest version although the volta card kind of already does that so we could infer from this update note from hardware info that the tu 106 die is a smaller more mid-range targeted chip destined for either a 20 60 or maybe a 20 70 because we haven't actually opened any of those yet and those are already announced and slated to come out soon so as always take this with a grain of salt these types of leaks have definitely been at inaccurate in the recent past even but coming from hardware info there's maybe something there either way all we know is that there's probably going to be a tu 106 which is really not a surprise to anyone other than the fact of the timing of it I guess and that may be quarter 4 if t 106 actually happens next time AMD rolls out multi-gpu interconnects for vega 20 this is pretty interesting there are new AMD GPU Linux patches that reveal and the we'll have an answer to Nvidia's envy link currently known by AMD anyways xgm I so Veronica scoured the revelation and a few lines of code and recent Linux drivers and outside of that details are scarce xgm is built on AMD's infinity fabric and will serve as a high bandwidth interconnect for multiple GPUs additionally there is speculation that xgm eyes bandwidth could exceed 100 gigabytes per second and AMD is 7 nanometre Vega GPUs are still on track to be delivered by the end of the year dubbed Vega 20 but they'll come in the form of Radeon Pro and Radeon instinct these are aimed at machine learning deep learning and otherwise data centric applications well it makes sense for Andy to implement high bandwidth interconnectivity for professional grade cards it doesn't mean that it'll come down market to the AMD navi GPUs or really any of the gaming grade cards we're not sure where it'll go yet but it does look like something that will be happening for the professional side and there's something and vidi has been talking a lot about MCM lately as well so that'll be really interesting market as it develops for multi chip modules seems to be the approach that AMD took with Rison and it's worked out great so it helps to reduce overall die size which helps with managing cost of high-end products as well and finally hardware sales for the week the Corsair Vengeance RGB series of ddr4 3000 Hertz memory was on sale for 150 bucks and that was for a 16 gigabyte kit which isn't a terrible deal as our news writer Eric called it then finally there was an Intel 8700 9 K for $280 and will link those below if you're interested in them and as always subscribe for more go to patreon.com/scishow subside directly we're going to store it on cameras axis net to pick up one of our mod mats one of our graph logo shirt or any of your other stuff thanks for watching I'll see you all next time