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HW News - Ryzen 3000 Core Counts & PCIe, DRAM Prices Fall, GTX 1660

2019-01-22
hey one welcome back to another hardware news recap talking about well there's a bit of stuff that we've confirmed at CES some of the rumors that were in the industry getting circulated had some time to speak with engineers and product managers at CES and get some was confirmed for you so we talking about some of that today like the new NVIDIA GPUs coming out that won't have r-tx talking about again a.m. these products X 570 we got some further confirmation on that following our previous video on the chipset and PCIe for consideration so we were able to get that more concrete for this week's news show and then D Ram price is expected to fall further throughout 2019 there's Nvidia ten series isn't nearly entirely gone at this point ice lake CP is showing up with a cash upgrade things like that some of this is new some of it's a few days old but this is our weekly recap for hardware news before that this video is brought to you by mass drop and the PC 37 X gaming headset with 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so all three of those things have just recently been restocked on stored I cameras XS net first a news item this is gonna be a short one for and the CPU core accounts and PCIe 4.0 on the PCH we had a news story talking about some of this a couple days ago at this point and let's start with the CPU core accounts in speaking with some of the same people who have informed our other previously accurate stories as we've we've gone through launch cycles and I've been able determine if our sources were accurate this comes from some of those same people where our understanding is that and these plans for CPU core account with the new generation rise in 3000 series it's a cat hair that came off my shirt snowflake is is is here with us apparently so our understanding the CPU workout should be 1612 and then your usual 8 for example 8 for whatever so there's been a lot of talk about is there going to be a 16 core and the CPU our understanding is yes we don't know anything else I don't know the TDP I don't know anything about the cache or the frequency cache you can probably predict with fair accuracy frequency no idea so either way though our understanding is that there should be a 16 core and a 12 core AMD CPU coming out in the desktop series of Verizon processors coming up later this year is just a question of do tOA's come out at launch in roughly June with the other with 8 core part or are they slated for later but regardless of one the 16 and 12 core parts come out our understanding is that they are supposed to come out and it will be in the rise in 3000 series desktop lineup as opposed to just the HTTP tr4 stuff so just wanted to confirm that for you our we are we have pretty strong confidence that's going to happen unless there's some major change and a indies lineup so despite having very confidence that 16 and 12 core parts will exist we just we don't know when and of course AMD could change their plans and so you know it's it's not a rumor this comes from a trusted source that works with these parts but it's not Andy so keep that in mind we're pretty sure it's gonna happen it's just give yourself a little bit of room to be disappointed if there's a delay or something Nvidia or actually there's one more thing on AMD first the PCH so we were talking about PCIe 4.0 and so first of all language correction I did say chipset last time when I was talking about migrating parts of epic to the x5 70 chipset epic on the sp3 platform does not have a traditional chipset so the correct phrasing would have been to say migrating parts of epic itself said be things i oh like pci you 4.0 to the x5 70 chipset and so want to put out in a language crack from there but the rest of the content stands and the thing that we've since confirmed with a couple of people is that the x5 70 chipset especially with its rough 15 watt target not the lower 68 watt target of the the current chipsets is probably going to have PCIe 4.0 in the chipset and by probably I mean almost definitely at this point so that was something that we were a bit wishy-washy on in the original coverage where I said we really couldn't confirm one way or the other but since that story went up we have gotten a couple of notes from I think three different sources that said yes it's it's gonna be PCIe 4.0 in X 570 so wanted to update that in case you were curious so another one this is another rumor that's been out there that we've been able to partially confirm so Nvidia 1660 GPU information has been going around lately one aspect of the story I haven't independently clarified with people as the name 1660 avoided using the name so that might we don't know but it's probably 1660 Ti or something whatever the current naming is you may have heard of this referred to as the GTX 1160 in the past same vein when we're talking about either part though so what we have independently confirmed is we independently spoke with sources in the industry and confirmed some of the rumors that include for example a drop of RT and tensor cores and the upcoming lower skew series of Nvidia's new GPUs we confirmed that the CUDA cores are still moving to taurine architecture so this is not a Pascal refresh like we previously about eight months ago speculated might happen so it's not Pascal inventory it is in fact updated silicon which is good but it drops RT intenser cores and then we further GN confirmed independently that this isn't just a rebrand or anything like that at least as far as we understand it's supposed to be new silicon so interesting things were you there we we further confirm that the 1660 will be less powerful than the 2060 in ways other than just RT and tensor cores and that's going to come down to the coup de coeur account so the coup de coeur account should be actually a bit reduced on the 1660 or whatever its name may be at the end as opposed to the 2060 so reductions in SM count is what you're looking for there and it's all very interesting it begins to reinforce some of the other reports like there was posted by techpowerup for example so we were able to largely confirm a lot of their stories with our own sources and when you have multiple outlets talking to to their own different sources then you know it starts to look like a real story and not just rumors so independent validation there the interesting thing though is that this deviates from some of the expectations that were posted a while ago the where people thought it would be like a 2060 exactly except with RT and tens of cores removed it's clearly not that you're losing some SMS as well and there might be some other changes I don't know if the memory change is gonna be if any but if Nvidia did launch just a straight 2060 with no Artie or tensor cores they're starting to put a price on RT X and so I don't suspect we should see a product that similar because if you have a like-for-like card that only disables RT in tensor cores or just doesn't include them in the silicon at all does it be wasteful then then you're starting to say okay this one's 350 and that one's $300 the price of RT X is $50 so I don't suspect we'll see that happen and Vidya probably wants to avoid a scenario where you can put a firm price on the the value of RT X that should largely be a subjective than it should be up to the user and putting a cost on that is it's not really beneficial for marketing and ultimately the user should sort of decide anyway so likely they will avoid that scenario but an interesting thing to think about next one DRAM prices are expected to fall 20 percent throughout 2019 so we can perhaps start 2019 on a positive note here with this one with DRAM prices continually forecast as declining we spent much of 2018 writing about memory prices and for good reason that said 2019 maybe the Year memory prices reach or fall below where they were in early 2016 DRAM manufacturers such as Samsung and SK Hynix have already announced plans to cut capital expenditure and fashion in a bid to maintain prices instead micron looks three following suit we've also mentioned that DRAM makers could augment output to try and level out the market which is an oversupply presently despite this DRAM exchange a reliable site where you can check the pricing still expects demand to be week with little signs of recovery throughout the four quarters of 2019 as such prices are expected to slide quarter by quarter with as much as a fifteen percent drop in first quarter 2019 however the fact that the big DRAM players have so much influence over the market is concerning especially when prices are returning to normalcy and there was a report on PC Gamer by Paul Lilly who felt similarly and reached out to Avril Wu an analyst at DRAM exchange and found the received the following quote even though DRAM manufacturers have revised their 2019 capex downwards slowing down the capacity expansion we still believe that memory prices would continue to drop in 2019 particularly the prices of consumer DRAM would decline by over 20 percent this year so even though there are still some uncertainties in the market on the whole prices are expected to keep sliding which is of course much needed at least in the enthusiasts audience segment so good news there for you but we need to see how that pans out over the next couple months and Vidia claims it's ten CDs inventory is nearly gone not really much of a surprise we've previously reported months and months ago around the 28th e27 launch area that the 1080p eyes were almost gone and in a Q&A session Nvidia CEO Jenson Huang gave an update on their self-proclaimed and self-inflicted crypto hangover as he previously called it ventureBeat reports that when asked can you tell us more about your problem with excess inventory and how that will be resolved that Wan responded as such Huang said it's completely a crypto hangover issue remember we basically shipped no new GPU in the market to the channel for one quarter but the amount of excess inventory and market demand channel velocity you just have inventory divided by velocity and that's time we said that it would take one to two quarters for all the channel inventory to sellout 1080i has sold out 1080 has sold out 1070 has sold out 1070 t.i has sold out in several more weeks 10 60s will sell out then we can go back to business I think the world would be very sad if Nvidia had never shipped another GPU one said that would be very bad so yes I mean certainly from at least his perspective it would be but that was their quote so Nvidia is is sold out of 1080i 1080 is everything down to 1060 and keep in mind that this doesn't mean you can't buy cards with those dps in them it means that Nvidia no longer has silicon stock of those parts so it's a bit different from their perspective than from yours because you're you're buying from you're buying completed products so they may still be out there on some retailers but you should not expect more to be manufactured is the takeaway from this and if his words are anything to go by we can assume the end of life of 10 series is nigh and they can begin to push the 20 series a bit more earnestly and start really saturating the channel as much as possible with the existing 20 series cards even as Pascal heads into the sunset here there are rumors swirling that there's a potential taurine based gtx card as we noted sans the RT course and you can refer to a few minutes ago for that so ice Lake CPUs have been showing up in benchmarks online with a potential cache upgrade a recent benchmark shows Intel ice Lake CPUs with double the l1 and l2 cache as can be seen in the Geekbench and si software Sandra benchmark databases these benchmarks show quad-core chips clocks at 1.38 gigahertz with a boost of 2.29 the chip is a low-power mobile part and as Tom's Hardware points out most likely is an engineering sample so frequency is probably not final but still gives an early look at what's happening the CPU shows an l1 and l2 cache of 48 kilobytes and 512 kilobytes respectively and this is a significant upgrade from Intel so long unchanged cache hierarchy as a reminder ice lake will be based on the sunny Cove architecture and Intel's 10 nanometer process node which has been long awaited at this Appl attributes' week iPhone sales - repairs Apple stance against right to repair is well-documented look at Luis Robbins channel but they always stop short of saying it hurts the bottom line instead they prefer to talk in vague terms and invoke talking points of safety and security in a recent letter to investors CEOs Tim Cook actually said in more words than we're using here that the repairs of iPhones were hurting the bottom line in the latter Cook warns investors that Apple would come significantly short of revenue expectations for final quarter 2018 mostly due to sluggish iPhone sales Cooke offers a few different reasons for the slump in sales but one in particular is users hanging onto their older devices after the throttle gate controversy Apple tried to atone for their sins by offering $29 battery replacements which many iPhone users took advantage of by replacing an older battery this did two things it showed many device owners that smartphones don't come with a two-year expiration date and simple repairs can keep a device running like new for many more years secondly have forced Apple to admit in Apple's own way mind you that planned obsolescence and avoiding user repairs is important for iPhone sales we don't really talk about Apple very much or even smartphones or frankly kind of boring but these kinds of points are interesting as they relate to rights repair and pointless consumer cycling of devices in an industry that's still maturing with PCs its maturity hang out to a PC for years at a time sometimes five or more depending on how serious you are about it and phones haven't quite gotten to that point yet although they're trending that way so we do hope to see people hold on to their phones for longer because it's just it's just absurdly wasteful so it looks like it is going that way though just because there's so much news this week let's go through a couple and kind of rapid-fire format so for rapid news here USB type-c will get a new verification protocol the USB if' group announced that USB type-c authentication procedures will begin soon this new program is primarily aimed at resolving issues of uncertified cables USB type-c cables and issues of security so something to keep an eye out for a GPI maintains a narrative that storing the Internet freedom order as has benefited consumers so AGP FCC chairman and his administration we're responsible were getting net neutrality rules last year and this achievement is something that is tremendously proud of recently pi said that he was pleased that a strong bipartisan majority of US House of Representatives declined to reinstate what he called heavy-handed internet regulation Ars Technica I went digging for more on this and got a quote from deputy director Evan Greer of the advocacy group fight for the future and Greer said as usual what Ajit pie is full of it and further said this is a direct quote his claim that broadband speeds are up is the tech policy equivalent of it's snowing outside therefore climate change is a hoax so ARS technica has an article with an interview with mr. Greer if you're interested another quick news item ARPANET director and internet pioneer dies at 81 so our vennett was essentially the first Internet and it came with the creation of the tcp/ip stack that is still the backbone of the Internet we enjoy today it had many important names attached to it with Vint Cerf and Bob Kahn being two of the more prominent however Larry Roberts is perhaps a lesser known but equally important contributor he was the program manager and director at Advanced Research Projects Agency along with his team they created ARPANET in 1969 which would later become the foundation of the Internet Roberts died on December 26th at the age of 81 so poor went out for the Roberts kids without him probably wouldn't even be delivering this to you today and also cat gifs so it's done quite a lot for this world some of them more important than others like cat gifs for example another one windows 7 users put on notice AOL is soon so officially eol this time looks like January 14th 2020 if you're on Windows 7 Microsoft will stop updating and then there's been news about and Intel I $9.99 9 t x ee that is not me miss speaking that's actually going to be the name 14 core part base frequency 4.0 5.0 boost so that'll come out at some point probably but mostly exclusive to system integrators the ACLU's auction we might get one I'm not sure that's it for this week as always you can support us directly by going to store that Cameron's exes net if you want to pick up for example one of our new mule mugs Moscow Mule mugs or our Raglan 2-tone hoodies and you can also get a patreon.com/scishow sexist stuffs out there as well thanks for watching I'll see you all next time
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