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hey everyone we don't normally do unboxings but we got a pretty special product from AMD this time it is finally the combination of a Rison cpu and AMD Vega graphics so I've seen some of the other unboxings I think we're the only review outlet to get this version of the product and of course we'll be doing our normal in-depth testing on this as soon as possible but other than that we have a lot of news to get through today including specs on well a device similar to this before that this video is brought to you by Thermaltake and the view 71 enclosure the view 71 is a full tower case that's capable of fitting three video cards and most configurations it's also one of the better cooling cases in our recent case testing bench lineup the view 71 has hinged a tempered glass doors on either side that make it easy to open and show off and it comes with at least one rain fan though you can get the RGB version if you prefer learn more at the link in the description below so this is our weekly hardware news recap video as always of course the big item here is the AMD Rison and vega apu for which we have specs and prices and everything else to share with you today a little bit odd that it arrived in a poptart box but i guess i don't know i guess they're just trying to bribe us with with puffed parts at this point other news items though if you're sick of AMD APU is because everyone talked about them now we also have some interesting news on Newegg killing GPU commission through their affiliate program intel's pushing more spectre updates that hopefully are more promising this time and then some items about scams which should be pretty fun like being 90 plus power supplies and they're better alternative the 95 plus power supplies of course these are new versions of 80 plus which is an old and retired standard at this point because ninety is bigger than 80 and therefore better will confirm all of the apu specs and prices and then move on because that's all that's useful right now we will have testing on this product later through back-channel sources but here's a chart that we made that contains everything the 2400 g is a 4 core 8 thread single CCX cpu that operates at 3.6 to 3 gigahertz and contains 11 Vegas II use equating 704 streaming processors knowing how many compute units the APU has we can trivially compute everything else 11c use means that we end up with 44 texture map units or TM use as each Cu carries for TM use for perspective the rx 480 and 580 GPUs contain 144 TM use we would assume that this puts performance a bit above the rx 550 which has 8 CS and maybe a bit below the rx 560 which ranges in Cu count at this point the GPU clock operates at a boost of 12 50 megahertz on the 2400 G or 11 100 megahertz on the 2200 G via the rise in 3 APU for pricing the r5 2400 G should land at $170 carrying a 4 +0 CCX configuration and 3.9 gigahertz boost clock this block diagram shows the Vega 11 core that's in the r5 2400 G the architecture overall should be familiar and he is still using its for a CES or asynchronous compute engines as would be found in the RX 580 and Vega cards the two hardware schedulers remain present as well mark that's HW s these were introduced in GC n Gen 3 and started getting more use in Gen 4 the HW s units can be updated via micro code through drivers so some level of firmware patching later on is always possible with these and these graphic illustrates a single geometry engine and a draw stream binning rasterizer which are accompanied by two pixel engines there are 11 compute units present as already shown and there are 64 stream processors per compute unit which is also standard we reviewed a lot of ApS in the past we actually did more ApS than anything else for AMD for a while because it was during a time when there basically just refreshes of FX alongside some new ap use so we've looked at them plenty of times and kind of depending on the generation the year in the price sometimes they're very good value and sometimes it makes more sense if you're gaming to buy something like a GT 1030 or an rx 550 $70 price point area and then by some $100 ZP to go with it and you get basically better performance overall however it might be different this time because the Vega GPU architecture change is significant and the horizon change is also significant so we have two very large players in the space that need to be tested so we'll look at that separately once it's time to test but that's kind of the basics of it all interestingly the materials we've acquired thus far do explicitly note that a Windows 10 version 1709 is required to get the Rison and Vega portions of the APU to work together properly and we also noticed that the APU has gotten rid of the T CTL temperature offset so that T CTL sensor that you'd previously seen hardware info or something where to have a 27 degree offset for thread Ripper I believe was the number that's gone now looking at the temperature should be a lot simpler it'll just be TDI as far as I understand it today so that's good news the rest of it will just have to look at it in testing but the 2400 G and 2200 G are the AP is to look at if you're new to this ap use are just it's a CPU that contains a more significant graphics component than you might find on Intel now APU is AMD's way of saying this is a CPU with an integrated GPU Intel just calls it a CPU at this point and then they might call it an IG PU or something like that for the integrated graphics so that's the main news for the APU front and these ApS tend to be pretty powerful in the graphics department they do give a lot more dye space to the GPU component so it'll be fun to test it but we are getting that through a side channel source and then we'll be looking at it as soon as it comes in which shouldn't be too long now another thing here so on the front of CPUs there were some news a little while back about CPU mining being potentially profitable and there are some sensationalist pieces online about is this the end of CPUs will they be CPU shortages now the answer is no no there will not be CPU shortages because of crypto mining it's it's great way to get clicks though but our CP shortage is coming next they are not you know we the thing with CPU mining is one it's not that profitable to if you use something like a 1950 X or 1920 X go back and look at our room ambient temperature test four months ago when difficulty was lower and prices were higher during that test if I remember correctly the 1950 X that we had running for that on kryptonite was doing something like maybe I don't know I think it was like 250 today it was between $2 and $3 a day it's not awful and you might be able to do more if you're more skilled with mining or whatever but the point is you know this is unless it's doing a lot more money per day you're looking at a product that takes like I mean it's like a two foot squared space to run more motherboards with CPUs it makes more sense to take all that money and allocate it into GPUs if you can get them and run them off of one motherboard take less area squared so I there is probably a use case for CPU mining I'm not arguing that what I would argue is that no you don't need to worry about your gaming CPUs going out of stock and secondly maybe thread Ripper maybe the high end h EDT Intel CPUs maybe those get some popularity for mining okay but your i7s kind of the $300 category I fives are sevens are fives I don't think there are going to be warehouses in China filled with motherboards that are doing CPU mining I'm not an expert there that's opinion however I am fairly confident that we're not going to see like the end of the world of PC gaming because of cryptocurrency GPU is kind of a special case memory it seems like it's it's all happening at once it seems like the prices for everything are going crazy at the same time I can see how you might think that would spread to other components but you have to remember memory prices are high GPU prices are high what do those things have in common ddr4 and GPU memory come out of the same three factories so of course if prices are high for one of them because of a memory supply shortage or high demand or whatever then they're going to be high for the other one they feed off of each other CPUs are in a different category they don't come out of Samson and hynek's they're made either by Intel or by and these foundries that they outsource Global Foundries typically so I really don't think we're gonna have a CPA shortage I would be happy to come on record saying that so I'm fairly confident that the only shortages we're going to have our other components that are memory related right now but we'll see maybe I'll be wrong maybe some crazy mining algorithm will come out for CPUs and then we'll have a problem if that happens tweet at me and say hey Steve this thing just came out could you look at it and we'll do some testing and look at it new egg today revoked its affiliate Commission for video cards which the companies that sub affiliate networks declare to be changed pursuant to quote bitcoins unexpected popularity so what they really mean here of course is cryptocurrency Bitcoin zhun my Nobel on GPUs I granted a lot of mining if you're going through nice hash or whatever it is going to be paid out in Bitcoin but you're not mining Bitcoin so whatever its semantics at this point so either way the affiliate network thing I'm sure many of you are aware of this basically content creators or anyone really you could get an Amazon or Newegg affiliate account if you link people you know to a product and they buy it then you get a percent Commission and it's not increasing the cost that the customer pays for the products it's coming out of a separate budget that's set aside by Amazon in one case or by Newegg and going to the person who linked the product so that program has been around forever it's a good way for retailers to fight each other for basically I'll use their word influencer attention where are you driving the sales and Newegg is changing and house GPUs video cards will no longer be included now there's kind of two sides to this this is less of a mining thing that depending it on cryptocurrency which is an awfully nice scapegoat and there is certainly a higher demand because of cryptocurrency but we've talked about this a lot now we spoke with all the video card manufacturers memory has every bit to do with this as cryptocurrency it's it's difficult to get supply for memory period if your manufacturer and the price has gone up twenty to thirty dollars bill of materials cost for your video cards so there's gonna be some of the vendors have now officially increased their MSRP by twenty to thirty dollars see the last news video from last week so there is more to it than just kryptos that is a nice way to make it easy and pin it on people that that everyone everyone kind of rally against the common enemy but yeah so this we think is more likely the contributor to new ID clean its GP affiliate Commission is the memory cost now there's two sides to this because if new egg is keeping the same prices and killing its Commission for that product that's great that means they are helping consumers I'm all for that I don't need that Commission if it means that GPUs can be a bit more affordable that's fine and I think a lot of content creators would agree if they are increasing the price and killing Commission which we'll see if that happens they've got a couple of days here then then it's just trying to make more money off of something that already is being gouged like crazy because demand is high and whatever so we'll see but anyway content creators may be interested in that new egg is no longer giving Commission for video cards but Amazon still does BH photo does and plenty of other sites smaller ones bestbuy.com still does so yeah you may see more links like that from content creators we tend to stick with new I can amazon because just they're easier to use anyway but interesting news so next one Intel pushes more Spectre updates this is following on a lot of spectrum meltdown updates we've covered lately and also finally beyond the process of shipping more stable microcode they had some kind of interesting wording and their press release where they basically said they of course will continue to encourage people to keep their operating systems up to date and everything else up to date but I mean the the opposing side there is that if you did that previously then you could have had reboot issues on Intel CPUs because of their flawed micro code updates so a bit of both sides in the days following the Google project zero announcement Intel scrambled to release its software patch and there was at widespread concern over possible performance hits this was followed by reports of BIOS updates with poor implementation of Intel's patch causing random reboots on as well and Broadwell CPUs and then apparently some other platforms as well until reported that they found the root cause of this issue On January 22nd and they even requested that manufacturers halt the distribution of the affected BIOS updates they've been working on solving the issue since then and today until reported that they are in the midst of distributing fixed patches to OEMs they also mentioned that they are continuing to beta test their updates with OEMs and partners before moving them to production so hopefully there's not a repeat of the previous round although the continued to quote could be read as saying that it was the OEMs who didn't do enough testing last time of course it's really on Intel the second part of the news post is a plea to users to keep their systems up-to-date which is again a bit rich coming only a week after the bugged update but still good advice this is just kind of a fun news item this is on some I guess scams you could call them 90 plus power supplies so high wattage power supplies targeting cryptocurrency miners are being advertised with knockoff 80 plus certifications and if you search for Bitcoin power supply on eBay or especially on Aliexpress you will find dozens of power supplies that have been branded as 90 plus or 95 plus gold for example 80 plus is the name of the actual organization that's has the certification and there's no such thing as 90 plus if a power supply were in fact 90% plus efficient it would still be under the 80 plus brand but it would be awarded something like 80 plus platinum or titanium not gold and many of the power supplies are also stamped with the Bitcoin symbol varies a bit down where they stole the art from and despite GPU mining Bitcoin at home being sort of a thing of the past they're still branding it that way another fun one this one isn't a 90 plus or 95 plus certification I guess but it's kind of a strange power supply it's a 34 50 watt single plug power supply good luck finding an outlet that will allow you to pull that kind of power in the US and is a monstrosity it's clearly 280x power slides that are just side by side in the same casing and it's it's got the prominent Bitcoin symbols on each fan as well so I don't think we're gonna buy this and test it because I do in fact need this place to not burn down but some fun stuff out there on Aliexpress if you just search for a Bitcoin Barrow supplies you have ten minutes to kill go do it I guess next one hard drive failure rates for 2017 so Backblaze is a backup service data backup and recovery and they release annual updates on their drives that they've used for the last year and their drive failures for the last year and then they categorize it by these specific skews and the vendors the most impressive numbers for this report were for HGST and hitachi for terabyte drives which had less than one percent failure rates in 2015 2016 and 2017 failures were relatively high with some Seagate drives and 1/4 terabyte model in particular failed at a rate of about 3% annually backways has replaced 6800 failed drives since they began logging in 2013 and 1500 eight of those were in 2017 overall against all of its drives the company is logging about a two percent failure rate looking at the last year of data that they published which isn't awful if they're really getting hammered all the time but yeah HGST has looked good for the last couple years and they continue to do so today and then back to paralyze for a moment FSP has a $700 liquid-cooled power supply now I think that we're gonna bits power on this one and this is the FSP hydro PTM plus it's a 1200 watt / 1400 watt power supply and will be available for purchase soon this apply is outfitted with aura sink compatible RGB LEDs and of course a liquid cooling block naturally what else do you want on a power supply it's rated 80 plus efficient at 1200 Watts cooled by the built-in fan but the liquid cooling version theoretically raises the limit to 1,400 watts the price tag $700 several times what to high-quality 700 watt power supplies would cost were roughly equivalent to what two air-cooled 1200 watt 80-plus Platinum power supplies would cost the first 500 buyers will also receive what they're calling quote an AI Oh pump radiator and fan assembly from bits power and sleeves cables it's open-loop so it's not really a IO and the same sense as a CLC but whether any Ora sink using PC Gamer draws 1200 watts plus for long enough to make it necessary under continuous loads that's another question then finally there were a couple of hardware sales to point out for the last couple days and they're going on for a bit in monitor land there's the Acer XG 270 hu 27 inch panel one millisecond gray to gray 144 Hertz 1440p and freesync that's currently $400 the Red River 1950 X is still at 900 which is versus $1000 at launch pretty good but it does seem like it's more of a permanent price at this point and the r7 1700 as well seems to be more permanent at around 290 to 300 these days the i5 8600 K has a $15.00 promo code and that's really mostly good and good ones that we saw for the last couple days so as always links to everything in the description below and if you want to help us out directly you can subscribe to catch the next videos including the the review of this or well maybe not exactly this but you get the idea and subscribe for more patreon.com slash cam as an access topside directly thank you for watching I'll see you all next time