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HW News - War with Jay, RAM Prices, 2080 Ti Delays, & More

2018-10-01
everyone welcome back to another hardware news episode and Vidya decided that launching two video cards in one month wasn't enough so the r-tx 2070 is on the way and also regarding RAM prices if you thought price fixing wasn't a thing we'll be talking about that more today as well further AMD there are rumors of a Polaris revisit a revisit of Polaris there's an ampere computing unveil but it's not the one that you might remember from Nvidia and we have plenty of other news items for this week as well before that this video is brought to you by power colors rx 588 gigabyte card which is marked down to $200 with rebate starting September 29th on new egg and that is for the 8 gigabyte model if you're looking for a mid-range video card for gaming on high settings consider power colors 8 gigabyte rx 580 that we linked below the card also comes with three free games including Assassin's Creed Odyssey star control and Strange Brigade while supplies last learn more at the link below so the first major news item of course is us we're gearing up for a rip j2 or it might be three by the time this video goes up Jay responded on Twitter to our beating of his time spy extreme score with envy linked GPUs and he beat ours by about a hundred more times by extreme points so we're gonna retaliate to that first of all the immediate goal is to do some memory overclocking timings tuning stuff like that and see can I beat his score with just what we have without further modification and then because I know he will definitely respond to that because he hooked up his test bench to an AC unit directly we are we've got a bunch of gear so memory module cooling for example takes up some more water blocks so we can put the GPUs properly under water this time and stuff like that so this this battle is far from over it'll be a lot of fun and of course thank you to Jay for joining I think Paul picked up his bridges as well so he might join in too but either way keep an eye out for that the immediate responses have been via Twitter but will of course bring them to video as soon as we get the scores up they're just a lot of other stuff going on first like waiting for shipping to retaliate properly to Jay so first major news Samson is looking to possibly limit its production which would help maintain high prices on memory Samson is now anticipating demand to be less than originally expected for DRAM and NAND with bit growth being lower than originally forecast Samson fears demand will soften as the market could reach oversupply and in order to shore up high prices Bloomberg says that Samson couldn't cut back on production of chips to keep supply tight and thus price is favorable for them anyway there continues to be speculation of the market being somewhat inundated with DRAM finally as smartphone sales slowed and laptop shipments are expected to be interrupted if Samson makes moves to curtail production and augment supply SK Hynix and micron it could very well follow suit which would keep memory prices high into the foreseeable future and there's been some discussion on potential price fixing in the memory market nothing's been firmly proven yet but there have been legal complaints filed in the US and then in China there's an active investigation by a branch with the Chinese government so are still waiting to hear back on that it'll be a while it's a slow progress process but that's been something that has been discussed in the past and certainly this would feed into the theories that there might be some price fixing afoot ampere computing so this is if you remember before Turing the rumored name of NVIDIA GPU is ampere and that never happened it might in the future we don't know but it's not a bean taurine so what we know now though is that Intel president Rene James launched her own semiconductor business which is called ampere computing and it's unveiling an emag processor and a new roadmap coming up that target specifically ARM based server chips so this is beneficial and offering lower power consumption and security benefits over the compromised x86 chips that are out now ie spectra and meltdown and to this end amperes already unveiled its emag processor and a future roadmap the first batch of CPUs come in 16 and 32 core variants and the company has already picked up two major customers one of which means Microsoft and the other being Lenovo these CPUs should start about $550 a 16-core model and about 850 for the 32 courtship these are not consumer CPUs but we wanted to bring them up because it's an important development in the market especially given all the reporting that everyone's done on spectra in meltdown because these are somewhat directly related to bypassing those concerns and this uses arm the 8a core is built on 60 nanometers FinFET process from TSM see if you're curious about that so it should be low power and security benefits over x86 which will compete directly with both Intel and AMD in the server markets a post on chip pal recently indicated a move to Polaris 30 on 12 nanometer tsmc silicon if the rumour holds true there would be potential for down costed versions of the rx 580 cards with potential power consumption improvements depending on how much AMD pushes the clocks if at all verĂ³nica the leading benchmarking site for hardware on linux noticed a new polaris device ID in a recent kernel patch this is interesting timing for AMD to capitalize on a market that has rebelled against the new flagship cards from Nvidia of course but it must still compete with the remaining Pascale stock in the 1060 class they give it the sixes held strong against the 1070 cards it just has never really been available until recently thanks to the mining boom and now bust but it does look like Polaris could be returning for a reprisal of the mid-range market role next up Nvidia publicly announced the r-tx 2070 to launch on October 17th and declared an MSRP of $500 for partner models or 600 for the EFI card we're curious to see the lowest price of partner models that pop up but it does look like the EFI card uses the same external ID as the other 20 series releases the shroud is identical just the cooler might be different we would guess that most good partner models will end up around $600 but don't have firm pricing just yet the RT X 2070 will use a new tu 106 package rather than being a cut-down version of the r-tx 28 es die and we also don't know the die size on that but it has been officially announced by Nvidia for October 17th if you didn't have enough from the other 20 series cards separately it appears as if Nvidia has announced its founders Edition customers a second delay in our TX 28 eti orders the new arrival date has been put to October 5th to 9th although some customers will receive them earlier than that arrival is based upon supply of the card and the also back in the news for a risin Raven Ridge APU lineup launch this one's aimed at high-end gaming laptops moving away from desktops or bonum moment so the risin are 720 800 H and r5 2608 are the new AP use they are for core 8 thread parts both offering a configurable TDP in the range of 30 4 watts to 54 watts depending on what the partner making the laptop wants to achieve the r7 2800 H offers Vega 11 Radeon graphics and it's also got 11 C use for that to compute units which would be the container for the streaming processors and there's a bass or boost of 3.3 to 3.8 gigahertz on the CPU meanwhile the r5 2600 H comes equipped with Vega 8 graphics and that one runs 8c use as indicated by the name there's no word yet on availability or what price what price we should expect for the laptops with the AP is but we do know that they're coming out sometime in the near future it looks like Andy could be facing a shortage with its a320 and B 450 motherboards into also although we haven't heard of this one while the a 68 series of motherboards to a much lesser extent so this problem seems to be mostly limited to the China market right now and the demand here for Andy's entry-level boards is strong enough that it is helping to create or at least exacerbate this shortage the increase in demand for entry-level boards is partly stemming from bundling deals going on right now and that would again include the vendors of those chipsets so 8 through 20 be for 50 and a 68 are mostly affecting the asus gigabyte in msi low-end boards right now and those are the ones that are most impacted by this shortage so to keep prices stable and mitigate the shortages the affected vendors have canceled current bundling promotions and asus has plans for production expansion to help meet the demand of those entry-level boards right now also dealing with shortages is still Intel and talking about this for actually a couple of months now but Intel has been facing issues with their 10 nanometer process production of course and then the 14 nanometer process is now being used more heavily because they need something and it's not ten nanometer so that means that the lower-end chipsets are now eating away at the node that is required for making CPUs at this point so Intel is moving its H 310 chipset back to 22 nanometers from 14 so I can then relieve that fab space for CPU production and this means that the H 310 motherboard will be using an older process although the effects or importance of that is questionable just considering that it is an extremely low on part the new H 310 chipset new in quotes will be known as the H 310 C so it will be marked differently and it's expected to eventually replace existing product SKUs using the vanilla 14 nanometer H 310 chipset speaking of this Intel is looking at expanding its 40 nanometer production testing facilities because of the 40 nanometer bottleneck they're facing right now just in terms of availability product supply so our favorite website Tom's hardware and writer Paula Alcorn who we've actually met and is a great reporter in the space wrote this article about Intel expanding its testing facilities and dealing with this new supply issue so install has several 4,900 products in the pipeline simultaneously they've got coffee like for example they have chipset they have coffee like it refresh they have whiskey like they have amber Lake they really really like bodies of water at Intel and then they also have X mm 775 60 models for Apple's iPhones I'm on other things so these documents obtained by Tom's Hardware suggested that the testing capacity is as much of the problem as the fab space at this point even though all indications previously have pointed toward fab space limitations so to hopefully alleviate this problem the documents detail plans for some of Intel's 14 nanometer silicon to be sent to facilities in Vietnam for testing where the testing will be done under Intel's quote copy exactly exclamation point program this program allows for processes like testing packaging and production to be replicated theoretically perfectly it just will be done somewhere else and that should hopefully help Intel out going forward with their provide and supply limitations we had a lot of smaller news items to go over this week as well so in rapid-fire format let's go over a few of them EK water blocks announced the successor to their venerable EK supremacy CP water block and that is the EK velocity the velocity will come in fourteen different models all supporting EK WB's fifth iteration of their cooling design among the changes are a new mounting bracket fewer flow restrictions and more uniform RGB implementation prices range from ninety seven dollars to one hundred thirty five dollars and they are expected to ship by October first fractal has released tempered glass window kits aimed at users wanting to get in on the trend and replace their acrylic windows the tempered glass windows will be offered in two different kits and those are for the fractal define r5 and the defined s both of which will now have tempered glass options new AG recently revealed that from the dates of August 13th 2018 to September 18th 2018 they were affected by a malware attack orchestrated by mage cart the online attack group recently known for attacking Ticketmaster and British Airways the newer attack was done by redirecting users to a mage cart server disguised as new expand processing page where malicious JavaScript ran on the backend acting like a card skimmer and acquiring payment details such as names addresses and card details this disguised domain even had a fake certificate given to create the impression of legitimacy Newegg has since acknowledged the vulnerability and has emailed customers whom they believe to be affected Newegg is currently investigating the attack and if any of our readers or viewers shopped on new AG between August 13th and September 18th of this year you should immediately get in touch with your card issuer or bank to get new cards issued alternatively it's all a great big scheme because new AG sees all the prices rising Ram vendors are benefiting video card vendors are benefiting and they said we really need more money how can we do it and that was the solution so either way they were effective they admitted it and definitely get in touch with your banks or card issuers so that you're not adversely affected yourself hardware sales for the week Ram prices this is actually if you normally skip this segment this one's actually worth listening to because Ram prices are expected to slide downwards through fourth quarter of 2018 against initial predictions and even into 2019 and this is despite the first news item talking about Samsung Protection potentially intentionally limiting their supply of memory so we don't know how that's gonna affect things yet but if you look at prices right now RAM is finally coming down just to just a tiny bit and the demand is somewhat flatlined in the desktop enthusiast space the really expensive r-tx card certainly don't help that because the amount of the attachment rate to brand-new system builds will be lower overall and that could benefit us all if the RAM prices can come down a little bit so this is assuming that memory makers don't start decelerating their memory production as Samsung might be doing as indicated by Bloomberg previously so still the past week has netted some price dips and RAM kits generally 16 gigabyte ddr4 kits with frequencies in excess of 3,000 megahertz has stayed north of $150 and we've seen a few kits slide it below that finally like there's for example a team t4 16 gigabyte 3,000 megahertz kit for $130 there's a g.skill ripjaws kit for 135 and that's 32 hundred megahertz and there's a team Volken kit for $120 with a promo and of course those prices move around all the time but the idea is even if those exact deals aren't still up by the time this video is it might be worth looking around at RAM again if it's been a while because it's kind of coming down so that's it for this week is always 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