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HW News - Why X570 is Expensive, Comcast Caught for Fraud

2019-06-15
everyone welcome back to another hardware news recap for the past week of course we had big AMD news from the a and the press event already covered on the channel but there's also some other things do talk about like Microsoft rediscovering the page file and you see has a giant marketing phrase for the Xbox AMD and x5 17y it costs what it does the motherboards do appear to be higher in price and we'll explain why here and then also Nvidia super USB 4.0 arriving in 2020 and Comcast tuned absolutely nobody surprised violating the consumer protection act over four hundred forty five thousand times before that this video is brought to you by skill share skill sure makes it easy to learn skills and advance yourself professionally with classes available for just about everything we've found the JavaScript toolkit class taught by Christiana Heilmann a senior developer at Microsoft to be of a notable interest for our audience the class is an intro on how to get started with JavaScript and cover skills you need to be marketable for web development skill share costs $10 per month on an annual subscription or click the link in the description below for a two-month free trial of Skillshare premium quick GN note the large mod mats are back up for backorder on the store we put a hold on ordering due to the tariffs we figured it all out didn't have to raise the prices and if you want to backorder the next round at some store like a Miss Texas net the medium ones like in front of me are in stock already so you can go to the store for that why does amvx high so any cost much we've gotten this question a lot over the last well since Computex and there's a few things to keep in mind here so number one AMD is now starting to get some of the higher end brands associated with the motherboard manufacturers so this is an instance where the price isn't actually going up it's just that AMD is getting some higher-end boards now there are places where the price is going up but when you see the $700 extreme or you see the $777 god-like both prices we've already talked about although originally we thought the extreme would be 600 is actually it's going to be higher than that probably but when we saw those those boards there's a lot of sticker shock associated with that keep in mind that the Intel platforms which have historically been they've had more development focus who the years put it that way the Intel platforms have had boards like this for ages you look at some of the super high-end ACS gigabyte motherboards MSI's had a guide like over there for a little bit so this is not new to motherboards it's just that it's new to AMD Rison so AMD's finally getting it's being taken a bit more seriously by the motherboard makers where they are willing to associate their super high-end brands whether or not it's worth that price point it depends on what you're doing with it but they're willing to associate their high-end brands with AMD now and that's part one it's as simple as there are more expensive boards because they're higher-end boards this time you get things like true 14 phase vrm all of which use 70 amp power stages for example so that starts to add the price next thing the chipset cost more our understanding is that the chipset costs about two times more than the previous 2x3 so near x4 70 chipset which was more or less the same thing it was more it was primarily a demarcation and the differences in motherboard generations more than an actual chipset difference the difference between 370 and 470 was better memory support because of the motherboard BIOS not because of the chipset but the chips that came with it was part of the refresh so 370 and 470 basically the same thing it's just that well it is the same thing it's just that it costs about two times more to me it's a 570 it's a higher power consuming chip AMD is repurposing Rison IO dice Iligan for that chip and is not using as media to the extent they were previously where it was externally designed so that's part of it as well the chipset cost goes up now a 2 times higher is it's still not a super expensive part you're talking like maybe in the 30 to $40 range 4 X 5 70 as opposed to half of that 4 470 but that's still cost that you'll pay for PCIe gen 4 rerouting required for some of the motherboard designs so the motherboard manufacturers couldn't just take their previous generation and then pop a new chipset in it and sell it it did require some additional trace work rerouting a lot of them to redesign erm while they were added so being unable to repurpose an old design does increase the cost because they're spending Rd or engineering time on designing the new ones that drives up the cost PCIe gen for signal integrity is a challenge to some of these boards have and we don't know how necessary this is because we don't we don't do signal integrity parametric analysis or anything like that but some of the boards like the MSI godlike have moved to a higher quality PCB material and whether or not that's necessary again we're not really in the position to validate that's something that we'll leave to be e x or someone like that but that does have a cost associated with it as well so if it's actually needed to move to a higher quality PCB material it's definitely need to reroutes all the traces then Gen 4 does add to cost and signal integrity becomes a challenge that it contributes to the price we're seeing for the boards that do cost more than you would expect there are still boards in the 140 ish to 190 range not quite as many as we'd like to see yet but not all the boards have had their prices disclosed at this time other boards are more expensive than the previous X 470 counterparts but overall a lot of the the sticker shock is coming from the fact that higher-end boards are finally associated with Rison so that's part part one of this part two of this comes from MSI's CEO charles john who we reported on something he said Tom's Hardware last week as well but in further discussion with Tom's Hardware he stated quote lots of people ask me what do you think about today's AMD I say today's AMD is completely different company compared to two three five years ago they have a nice technology and they are there to put the higher spec with the reasonable pricing but right now they say hey Charles let's push to marketing to the higher end so let's sell a higher pricing motherboards higher spec of other words and let's see what will happen in the market so I don't think that AMD is the company that wants to sell low-cost here in low cost there and I guess given that MSI CEO is never one to mince words it does it look like AMD has some potential hand and wanting those higher-end boards and now that the and these sales are doing so well in DIY as we've seen upwards of 80% month-to-month so the market share change from Intel that AMD it looks like he's starting to feel confident in the product it has and wants the higher on boards associated with it so anyway everyone's looking for healthier margins here with X 570 and with the new risin 3000 series CPUs there's one final quote from AMD's dunwall agronsky who said the following if someone's searching for a platform and doesn't really need that enthusiast class PCIe gen for storage or you're not planning to buy a PCIe gen for graphics card in the next six months to a year it makes a lot of sense to look at those that lowered to your motherboards like the x4 70 or P 450 which will offer the same performance on those rise and third gen processors as the x5 70 will which is the kindest reminder if you have x4 70 in theory you should be able to just pop the new processor into it once it gets a firmware update to detect it and gigabytes already pushed those out others probably coming soon it's just that you won't have PCI you Jun for it but if you don't need that and almost everybody watching this will not need it then you can use x4 70 finally quick note here so be 550 or whatever it's going to be called we were told that CES that this was to be expected in first half of 2020 that was it that was in January we were told that first half of 2020 it looks like that's remained more or less true we saw a couple reports today that time of filming that went up and said first quarter of 2020 or first half so that's remains true if you do want the lower on boards those will be coming out next year USB 4.0 arriving in 2020 apparently the USB group has decided that people need to be increasingly confused by USB naming and so 4.0 is coming out including a difference in where the space is positioned or if there is one between USB and the number marking the USB version an attack was able to catch up with USB promoter group at Computex 2019 and that revealed to Ana tech that the newest specification is on its way to be delivered in late 2020 USB 4.0 currently exists in version 0.7 with the final revision expected this summer the USB promoter group believes USB 4.0 will be widely available in products by end of 2020 USB 4.0 leans heavily into Thunderbolt 3 technology and while the new standard is expected to offer 40 gigabits per second bandwidth USB for is also allegedly going to be more substantial than just that supposedly us before will be significant enough to warrant a new logo and a new branding scheme again yes before will also use a Type C interface and be backwards compatible with USB three-point 2 USB 2.0 and Thunderbolt 3 if you recall the USB if' announced a confusing new USB 3.2 standard not so long ago and hopefully any revised branding will be simpler and we won't end up with USB 4.0 gen negative 1 to mark USB 3.0 or something like that because that's kind of what happened this time Xbox project Scarlett Microsoft it's and its marketing team have rediscovered virtual memory and the page file and they're really excited about it at e3 2019 bikes house finally disclosed a few key details on its upcoming consoles we already knew that Zen 2 would be used we knew that navi parts would be used this is true for the Sony Playstation as well which by the way had no announcements at e3 this year rumors have long suggested that Microsoft will roll out at least two consoles similar in veins of the current Xbox one X and the 1s there's also talk of a console aimed exclusively at streaming and that would complement Microsoft's upcoming X cloud the unveiled console is currently known as project scarlet and much like the next PlayStation console it will feature some interesting hardware as expected Microsoft is using a semi custom solution from AMD based on Zen - no word on core count but it's presumably an 8 core part like Sony's and these are DNA architecture that is currently powering Navi will also be present in some form Microsoft is using GDD r 6 memory and is using solid state storage Microsoft also stated that the SSD will double as virtual Ram 1962 called and had lost its page file back virtual Ram is not new and is in fact very very old but because I this just it gives you an idea of in the very least who Microsoft thinks the crowd is watching their e3 presentations and at worst gives you a look at who the crowd is watching the e3 presentations because apparently virtual Ram was enough of a marketing buzzword to get people excited or something but anyway there's also supposed to be hardware level support for ray-tracing a couple of things here we've talked about in the past unlike Sony Microsoft did not make any mention of audio or potentially ray-traced audio which is a thing by the way but it did talk about hardware accelerated rate racing and hardware accelerated rate racing is something you've been able to do for a very long time it's just that doing it in real time that's the new part that's the hard part we talked about this with Gordon in one of our videos where I mentioned that NVIDIA has sort of retro actively invented rate racing and to be extremely clear this time no we don't think NVIDIA invented rate racing obviously but the marketing around r-tx was so strong that they've more or less rear in the history whether intentionally or by accident to the extent that Nvidia is getting a lot of credit for rate racing has completely shifted the discussion of graphics to rate race in which huge massive credit Nvidia is marketing for being able to do that something that has been otherwise exciting primarily to CG students or to movie makers maybe some game developers but anyway accelerated rate racing by hardware doesn't mean a whole lot we need to see what it's actually doing hardware accelerated rate racing could be stuff you've been able to do forever which is render scenes frame by frame over a very long period of time in blender or it could be something like some really simplified version of trace you know a couple rays for a mirror or something like that in a game we'll see we don't expect it to be obviously anywhere as powerful as something like a 20 80 TI which is half the size of an entire Xbox on its own but we'll see what it does Microsoft also touted 8k gaming and noted that project Scarlett will be able to deliver 120 FPS not at the same time to be very clear at that so that's mostly marketing hyperbole right now but what's more likely is that support for 8k resolutions is potentially by way of upscaling or maybe again through this X cloud service and the 120 Hertz refresh rates are probably going to be a well definitely going to be at lower resolutions sort of a rumor here but not really and video super GPUs and what they're getting what they'll be Nvidia he is super at Computex 2019 and it was pretty interesting actually because it's just ahead of the AMD keynote so it's almost one of those and video like let's test the waters and see what Andy's doing maybe play a little bit of head games with people and if AMD makes a major announcement at Computex then we'll announce what super actually is that didn't happen yet but we've been more or less telling you what it's going to be for a while now and it looks like everybody else is starting to report the same stuff so super is supposed to be functionally ATI refresh and it looks like there's going to be a 2070 or 2060 and a 2080 that might get some additional Artie tensor and CUDA cores so it is I mean these these things all exist within the SMS for the most part so probably it's a TI refresh is what it is just being called super this time there's some conflicting theories on just how many cores the new Torian cards will receive so we won't speculate just yet there a lot of different numbers out there we're not going to quote any of them because we don't know which are accurate but Nvidia is allegedly planning to achieve this be a refined Turing silicon or in some cases the cards receiving a cut-down version of the Turing die from the card directly above it for example the super r-tx 2060 is supposedly being retrofitted with a new version of the TU 106 die found on the RT x 2070 the super RT x 2070 will move to a moved to a chopped down to you 104 died the super r-tx 2080 will receive a beefier tu-104 die allegedly and there's speculation of a cut back to you 102 dot so we talked about the plans for increased core counts or well we've talked about TI refresh before which is what we meant by that we've also talked about increased memory speeds but the more the firmer speculation out there is now saying the our TX 2070 sorry 2080 super will be outfitted with eight gigabytes of 16 gigabit per second G DDR six which is a move over the 14 gigabit per second previous version that's Giga bits not gigabytes so more importantly the super our TX 2060 or whatever it's called should see a bump in memory according to the new rumors this is not one we've heard independently but two eight gigabytes of G 6 from 6 and memory speeds for that one will remain at 14 gigabits per second with the same being allegedly true for the our TX 2070 so the talk here is that basically this is an videos play at reducing the existing device prices and then putting in a new tier where those were were slightly above it which will allow an video to more directly challenge AMD with its Navi RX 5700 XT and 5709 XT cards that are coming out Comcast everyone's best friend violating the consumer protection act 444 445 thousand times and Counting can't be off by a thousand that would that would make it seem like it didn't matter that same state of Washington also found that Comcast violated the consumer protection act the hundreds of thousands of times we stated Comcast was caught non-consensual e signing up customers for a worthless in quotes service protection plan on top of enrolling customers into the plan some of whom actively declined it comcast was also misrepresenting the cost of the plan Comcast was charging almost 31,000 customers for this plan and it misrepresented or misinformed 18600 customers all-in-all Comcast raked in about 85 million dollars from a stupidest behavior between 2011 and 2016 on top of the 9.1 million dollar fine which in contrast to the eighty-five million dollars it made does seem quite small Comcast will also pay an undisclosed amount of restitution to affected customers with 12% interest on top Washington outlines Comcast violations of the Consumer Protection Act as such quotes 240,000 588 violations for signing up SPP customers without their consent and 200 5260 violations for failing to disclose or misrepresenting the recurring cost of the SPP so ISP is once again proving to everyone that they deserve our money Huawei's woes continue tokyo electron and WD are backing away from huawei which has been struggling with the US trade blacklist over the last month or two despite trying to save face Huawei's troubles continue to mount after finding itself on the US trade blacklist well I recently had to put a hold on its development and manufacturing of laptops smartphones may be next reuters reported that Western Digital who has supplied Huawei with hard drives and flash memory has suspended its business with the company following the blacklisting Western Digital CEO Steve Milligan expressed concern regarding the tension between the American and Chinese economies quote the tech supply chain in the world is quite entangled Milligan said and went on to highlight that untangling the tech supply chain would not be good for the US or China in his opinion also dropping Huawei is Tokyo Electric the third largest supplier of semiconductor manufacturing equipment Reuters reports that at least one more major Japanese semiconductor equipment supplier is considering ceasing any potential business with Huawei well Tokyo electron isn't a us-based company it is one that imports and uses u.s. Goods and intellectual property which means it needs to protect its relations with the US much like arm LG outs one-millisecond displays at e3 2019 as reported by overclocked 3d during e3 2019 LG announced the LG Ultra gear nano IPS lineup which appears to be the first IPS set of displays with a 1 millisecond response time a luxury previously only afforded to other panels on top of the superior color accuracy in production the IPS panel has claimed to bring they also sport 144 Hertz refresh rates the lineup is currently comprised of two models the 38 GL 9 v 0 G 38 inches and the 27 GL 850 27 inches 38 inch model sports a curved screen with a 38 40 by 1600 resolution while the 27-inch model is curved list with a resolution of 2560 by 1440 both use nano IPS technology and our g-sync compatible which as a reminder decent compatible that phrasing means basically free sync it's it's different from g-sync the module and then algae and it's ultra gear nano IPS models will be available for pre-order July 1st of course we'd recommend reading reviews from other people because we don't review monitors before pre ordering those pricing is to be announced on them and then finally are you ready to pone noobs with razors new respawn drink or if you're a fan of pure ownage you know it's pronounced own it's if you watch the show 15 years ago you'll get it razor is now offering lethargic gamers a new mental performance drink yikes it would seem razor respawn is another April Fool's joke that made it manifest if anyone remembers project venom that was the name of it circa 2010 so if you've ever felt the need to put venom in your body then not an energy drink but a mental performance drink is the right bet for you I don't want anything more than respawn as a drink because that implies that is probably going to kill me the drink comes in a powder form like I guess Gatorade powder or something and Razer is adamant that respawn is not an energy drink despite the 95 milligrams of caffeine respawn is available in four different flavors it comes in a pack of 24 $25 separately there is a $30 respawn branded tumbler available for purchase no chroma RGB at this point unfortunately although we hope to see support in the future and if you're not a gamer no problem razor also insists that respawn is for sleepy content creators the biggest buzzword of 2019 or anyone who sits at a computer so everybody not limiting the market there anyway we don't we just thought it was kind of funny hopefully this doesn't cause people to go buy it so that's the venom that's the respawn drink that razors doing thank you for watching hopefully you got some useful news items here subscribe for more go to store documents nexus dotnet to help us directly or patreon.com slash gamers nexus we'll see you all next time
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