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everyone welcome back to hardware news recap for the week this week we'll be talking on how Intel is apparently planning to reduce its cpu prices in response to the upcoming rise and launch which would be a big milestone for Intel because Intel is a company that has basically never dropped its prices so that well not for a long time anyway not for several years generations Andy and the x5 90 story and why X 590 is not going to be a thing for this immediate launch we'll talk about that more as media delivery an AMD B 550 and a 520 as we know them to be named now Intel and Samsung are negotiating a manufacturing contract and PCIe six along with some more tariffs news before that this video is brought to you by Dollar Shave Club and their starter sets get your Dollar Shave Club starter set for five dollars by using our link below available individually for shave shower or oral care or all together in one package the kits can be customized to your needs with options including toothpaste 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Intel that the Seabee prices should reduce between ten and fifteen percent depending on the CPU SKU and we don't have a list of which ones will get the 15 cent cuts at this time but it's probably going to correspond with whatever Rison processors are nearby and how far intel needs to come down to get close to those prices maybe not match but we'll see so for reference the 9900 Kay is on Amazon in the u.s. at time of filming for four hundred eighty five dollars a 10 percent reduction would bring it to four hundred thirty six dollars ish fifteen percent might bring it down close to four ten to four twenty so I doubt which retail you look at some of them are more at five hundred dollars instead of four eighty five so that would get it sort of close to the 3,700 X and 3,800 X which are the eight core competitors two in tiles at ninety nine hundred K those would be four hundred dollars to the 3800 exits it's quite distant from the 3700 X actually which is three hundred thirty dollars but the 3700 X it has a cash difference versus the 3800 X so this time aim these split them up in a way that you can't just buy the lower down skew and overclock and get everything you had with the higher end skew so far anyway but you could still overclock it and aside from the other differences you can get the frequency probably we would assume almost certainly up to the 3100 X there's no reason that wouldn't be true so Intel's gonna have a hard fight ahead of it and E is extremely competitively positioned for this launch and a price reduction is for the first time in a while is genuinely necessary now Intel doesn't have a new product coming out for a long time the 9900 KS is the next closest thing and that will be out till probably towards the second well towards the end of the year probably third quarter but yeah so it's it's needed the price reduction and if you look at old Intel CPU inventory on new AG and Amazon you'll notice that almost none of them have been reduced in price over time the retailers don't get any as far as we're aware don't get a enough of a buyback or any buyback which sometimes the suppliers will offer for old inventory so you end up seeing things like 7700 K for sale at roughly the same price says when it launched so this will be a big move for Intel and depending on what gets 10% and 15% it might not even be enough so we'll see how the competition stacks up in our review we are getting the processors in and obviously check back for that and the axe 590 is actually X 570 so this is something we received word on from a couple of the motherboard manufacturers when that story went live about a week ago about an alleged and the X 590 that was in the Bayeux century and some of the motherboards out there so our understanding what we were told is that X 570 was originally going to be gen 3 PCIe and X 590 would have been Gen 4 and all of this is long before launch we're talking more than 6 months ago so this happens all the time where stuff changes it's just that typically the public doesn't really hear about it in any in any fashion so that was the plan obviously X 570 ended up being Gen 4 so X 590 doesn't need to exist anymore there is a separate thread Ripper chipset we don't know the name of it yet it may very well end up being X 590 but that would be different from the one that was rumored and it would be different because there would be an additional for Gen 4 lanes going up to the CPU so you move from 4 down upstream to 8 between the CPU and the chipset and that would be the change for thread Ripper originally it was planned for X 570 and then it was changed later so yeah X 590 won't exist in the form that it was rumored but there will be a thread room for chipset it'll be an extra 4 PCIe lanes to the CPU and it's not going to be for the m4 socket just X 574 am for Nvidia to support arm with CUDA acceleration at the international supercomputing conference Nvidia announced that arm will receive the support of the fold CUDA software stack with a focus on AI and high performance computing and video will work with arm to power more energy-efficient supercomputing and it works toward assuring and exascale computing and video will open its stack and offer arm support for Nvidia CUDA xai HPC libraries ai frameworks PGI compilers and more with this announcement Nvidia is officially supporting all major CPU architectures at this time and s CEO Jensen Wan sighted we need to address a feature power limit as computing advances a quote supercomputers are the essential instruments of scientific discovery and achieving exascale supercomputing will dramatically expand the frontier of human knowledge as traditional compute scaling ends power will limit all supercomputers the accommodation of Nvidia's CUDA accelerated computing and arms energy efficient CPU architecture will give the HPC community a boost to exascale said Jensen want of Nvidia and videos official support for arm is yet another move into the realm of supercomputing for NVIDIA the company most recently purchased Mellanox an Israeli chip maker that provides server and networking hardware as well as interconnect technology last week we talked about why the am the x5 70 chipset is more expensive than X 470 we also talked about why the motherboards seem to be more expensive on average and on average they are there are some cheaper ones than the high-end ones that we've looked at on the channel but they're still a bit higher overall so that discussion no doubt led to people asking when B 550 and the follow up to a series chipsets which we think is called a 520 right now but the name may change where when they will arrive is the question the tentative answer as we said at the end of last week's news episode is supposed to be for the for 2020 and it looks like digit x has repeated that we heard first half of 2020 when we originally spoke about this at CES and recap this last week - and then digit x has heard now early 2020 as an update so a bit earlier than what we originally heard digit items also reported that as media is currently working on schedule to finish the tape outs for the new chip sets the B 550 chip sets an e 520 chipsets for silicon by end of year and the opted to design x5 70 in the house it's actually repurposing an i/o die from Rison and using that for the chipset and this was a departure from the as media based chipsets in the first and second gen Orwell - yeah first and second gen Rison or Zen plus for the architectures as media will be responsible for and these budget chipsets and may even net some five seventy orders once it's pcie four solutions are finalized there's also speculation that beat 550 and a 520 will skip PCIe for connectivity instead of favori in 3.0 an attempt to meet the pricing criteria and this is also something we've heard by the way so PCIe gen3 does reduce the price requirement reduces the power requirement and simplifies motherboard design it's already been expected that a.m. these entry-level boards will be more expensive comparatively speaking than the past but sticking with PCIe gen3 we'll see what happens we will have six plus months to wait so we'll just wait on that that said it wouldn't be surprising to see AMD trying to keep the pricing more affordable on the B and a series chipsets Intel and Samsung are negotiating a manufacturing contracts but it's not for CPUs rumors began to swirl earlier this week indicating Intel and Samsung we're in talks to have Samsung manufacturer Intel's 14 nanometer rocket Lake unsurprisingly those rumors have been rendered false what does appear to be in negotiations between the two chip makers however is chipset manufacturing according to Tom's Hardware sources the talks between Intel and Samsung are centered around a simpler chips such as chipsets although which chipset and which node would be manufactured are currently unspecified Intel has previously outsourced this type of manufacturing before and as it rolled back certain chipsets to 22 nanometers it would make sense for Intel to continue to offload lower margin products and focus on correcting its 40 nanometer shortage later this summer we'll see the first PCIe 4.0 consumer motherboards hit the market followed by PCIe SSD s additionally just last month the PC is IG ratified the PCIe 5.0 specification now PC is IG is already looking down the road towards the next specification PCIe 6 there was a long gestation period between 3.0 and 4.0 and that's something that PC is IG is aiming to avoid with future protocol updates PCI 6.0 is more in a draft state currently it is not ratified PC is IG hopes to have the spec finalized by 2021 and as has been the case with the upgrade cadence 6.0 would double the bandwidth of previous versions based on full-duplex the bandwidth progression looks like it should be for a 6 X 16 slot an area should be PCIe 6.0 128 gigabyte per second if it persists so that's the draft state right now again not ratified not finalized for reference 5.0 is 64 gigabytes per second 4 point I would be 32 gigabytes per second 3.0 16 gigabytes per second these are all by 16 and so forth so a PCIe 6.0 will also be capable of 8 gigabyte per second speeds for an X 1 slot or by 1 pcie 2.0 by 16 wide slots delivered that bandwidth in 2007 for Reverand PCIe 6.0 will also see the introduction of a new signalling technology going from a non-return to 0 or nrz to a pulse amplitude modulation or pam-4 as an intact notes the signalling technology isn't unlike that found in mlc nand and intech also offers a thorough technical breakdown if that's of interest to you and we'll link that in our show notes below we could see PCIe 6.0 available for general consumers as early as 2023 if hardware vendors move just as quickly to adopt the new standard as they have in the past PCIe 4 was finalized in 2017 and we're just now getting ready to see PCIe for products in 2019 and it may go without saying but price and bandwidth requirements will also accelerate or decelerate the adoption of PCIe 4.0 and consumer attack next up consumer electronics and the expected price chain increases we've been talking about this for a little while now behind the tariffs that have been implemented recently so a new study commissioned by the consumer technology association or CTA highlights just how much price tags are expected to inflate with the 300 billion dollar tariff proposal and that would include things like phones tablets laptops gaming consoles so forth all imported from China these are expected to rise significantly in cost to the tune of 22% in some cases we've also spoken with some component manufacturers over the past couple weeks there have been layoffs at a few of the companies some of them not public yet but EVGA was one that has been publicized at this point so and case manufacturers have been hit with layoffs as well not sure if we can name which ones those are just yet but layoffs as a result partially in some cases were entirely and others of the tariff increase you'll see price increases for some of the cases on the market to the tune of about 18% the manufacturers we spoke with are not raising to match the 25 percent increase for tariffs so it's going up to 25 percent tariffs now they're not matching that for their price adjustments because I don't buy the product it would be too expensive so they're losing some margin and they're increasing the price by about 18% in the cases of those case manufacturers we've spoken with as for the CTA story phones coming in from China are expected to increase 22% and the new US average cost would rise 14 percent according to the report that translates to a $70 price hike on average similarly prices on notebooks and tablets could rise as much as 21% or $120 and a $50 increase on laptops and tablets respectively gaming consoles would also see a 21% increase in cost as claimed by the CTA report and then finally some of the companies are pushing back on the tariffs so we're reporting on this because it does affect consumer pricing and that's important to talk about companies are starting to come out and show their opposition for the looming tariffs set by the US government the office of the u.s. TR US Trade Representative is currently holding public hearings on the tariff proposals and companies such as Intel HP Microsoft and Dell are making their positions known the four companies issued a joint statement that echoes the concerns of the CTA study in that sharp price increases on consumer tech will have serious ramifications for both consumers and US companies alike the statement goes as far to say that the tariffs could put laptops completely out of reach for the most quote cost conscious consumers the statement closed by saying that although the tariffs would disproportionately affect all consumers including small businesses in schools the most price sensitive consumer would suffer the most separately Apple and console makers publicly commented on the tariff in a joint letter Microsoft Nintendo and Sony three companies that you don't often see working together in the console space noted that the tariffs would do the following quarter to injure consumers video game developers retailers and console manufacturers put thousands of high value rewarding u.s. jobs at risk and stifle innovation in our industry and beyond additionally the letter addresses concerns over the supply chain quote a change in even a single supplier must be vetted carefully to mitigate risks of product quality unreliability and consumer safety issues tariffs would significantly disrupt our company's businesses and add significant costs that would depress sales of video game consoles and games and services that drive the profitability of this market segment the letter reads Apple also filed a comment Apple stated that the tariffs would not only affect its entire catalogue of hardware but would also affect Apple's status as the quote largest corporate taxpayer to the US Treasury it's quite a quite a title to hold this suggested that the tariffs would stand to hinder its economic contributions Apple also cited the fact that Chinese competitors don't have the same presence in America as US companies have in China meaning that us-based tech companies would be more effected of the two and that will wrap our coverage for the last week of hardware news thank you for watching subscribe for more as always you can go to store documents access dotnet support us directly or patreon.com slash gamers Nexus will have a separate behind-the-scenes video there this weekend actually showing again a kingpin thing but it's kingpins laziest Ellen to delivery set up for when he was on crutches he innovated it so that's it for this one thank you for watching we'll see you all next time