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this week we have some cool stuff one is the retailers and reporting on thread repair performance we have something to add to that after talking to some vendors 1,900 X e CX configuration some news on peripherals at the show at PAX West and a couple of other news items as well because there was so much news while we've been traveling we'll have a second Hardware news video probably going out tomorrow or the next day to add to this one because there are a few other topics that are worth talking about in separate detail before we get into that this content is brought to you by the Thermaltake flow RGB closed-loop liquid cooler which is a 360 millimeter radiator plus 3 120 fans that are RGB illuminated if then we'll take it ringg fans at that this is a 4.5 done a detect pump which is one of the faster pumps you can learn more at the link in the description below so the first news item news from one of Europe's largest retailer suggests that a.m. these combined cpu sales to DIY enthusiasts have now surpassed intel's combined cpu sales to enthusiasts at that particular retailer we wanted to add to this story so speaking with vendors the word on the street is that looking at X 299 for Dex 399 the vendors with whom we spoke and have said that the first few days to first week depend on which vendor of sales for X 399 products related products surpassed the first month of Intel X 299 product sales from those same vendors not retailers but actual manufacturers so from the extra nine standpoint that makes sense we've seen on the media side a lot more interest in thread Ripper than in Intel's enthusiast platform part of that is because people are bored of Intel part of it is because Andy is coming back in a big way and this is their first high-end desktop part in a long time they've done server they've done some level of enthusiasts but this is a gdt from a company that's finally competing with Intel in the space so I think that's why a lot of the interest and thread Ripper is out but specifically on the vendor side the manufacturers seen increased sales in the first few days the first week of thread or X 3 99 parts versus the first month of X 299 is a big deal that means that there's going to have to ramp up production because I think thread Ripper is doing better than a lot of manufacturers expected and I think X 299 is doing worse than a lot of manufacturers expected so but that was just to build on the news about mind Factory and their sales with X 399 well not just that but risin as well where if you look at the charts they've published the AMD parts to DIY enthusiasts are finally surpassing Intel again to two items note here one at that particular retailer so at mine factory and - that's DIY enthusiast so while this is a major victory for Andy and one that's critical for their continued success in the CPU Department and he still has to fight back for a share in om systems and laptops and things like that so the war is far from over they've got a lot more ground to gain but this is a good start for Eisen and thread Ripper and and hopefully we should see the effects of that competition soon and that will be in the form of coffee lake so we'll have more information on coffee like when the time has come but that it's looking like Intel sirens on right now they have had coffee like more or less in the wings this is CPUs take a while to develop so these things may have been taped out for a while now it's possible they've been manufacturing the silicon for coffee like since Rison launched or before Rison launched the zine has been done for at least a year I looking at a refresh or a the old tic-tock cycle the cadence was about 18 months from design to shelf for an architecture that already existed when they were iterating on it so that means that coffee legs probably been more or less ready in that it was being produced as Rison was coming out and starting to make waves so it's not like this is a full response to Andy but the parts that are one we don't know if Intel would have released the rumored six core i5s and the rumored six core 12 thread i7s without some pressure we also don't know if Intel would have branded for example there I nine CPUs as I nine CPUs without the thread Ripper pressure so even if its parts that already existed or would have existed having the marketing the branding and the naming shift to move to I nines and other marketing segments like focusing on streaming for example with the seventy nine hundred X that shift is definitely somewhat of a response to threat upper end and rising so Intel's responding in some form which is good that's what we need to see until kind of needed to kick in the rear end to get moving again so it looks like that's happened and to be fair to Intel it's not easy to do what they do so it's not like the company has stagnated or has tried to stagnate and has gotten lazy it's just that it's hard to keep pushing see view performance when you've already shrunk in the process so far but there's still room to improve and it looks like they're they're finally acting on that in a more public visible fashion for enthusiasts not just servers other AMD news before moving on the 1900 x c CX configuration was somewhat detailed by TPU tech power up so they learned that the 1900 ax is running a core configuration that's the same as the other threader per chip so four dies top left bottom right oriented I believe right side up are the two active thighs and then on those one CCX is disabled each and this gives the CC X's all the usual access to memory channels and i/o and keeps the 8 megabyte l3 cache per CC X available should also help with reducing latency particularly in memory intensive operations which would be the ideal solution to keep gaming reasonably accessible in the 1900 X as it's more likely to be used in systems that are doing some level of gaming as opposed to the 1950 X or it's more likely to be in workstations and side note on that just with the launch of the 1900 X and E has lowered the cost of entry into there h EDT series of CPUs so threaded for 1900 X CPUs are 8 core 16 thread variants priced at $550 making them slightly more expensive than an 1800 X but adding another run - Andy's product performance ladder the 1900 axis clocked at 3.8 gigahertz 4.0 boost 64 PCIe lanes and 180 while TDP this is something you primarily used for the lanes and risin 7 or really risin 5 would be the better option for gaming if that's your pure focus if you're trying to stick with AMD you would want probably rise in 5 1600 Class CPU whereas if you're going higher-end gaming the Intel i7 7700 case still the best there is presently now Coffey Lake will shake that up quite a bit but we'll see how that goes so yeah 900 X is a cheaper option and Andy's h EDT platform in non AMD news PCIe Gen 4 is supposed to land this year and PCIe Gen 5 has been fast-tracked for 2019 and this is information obtained at the hot chips 2017 conference which indicates that the PCIe a 4.0 standard is set to arrive this year rendering the 4.0 a specification fleeting 4.0 is supposed to bring with it 16 Giga transfer per second and 64 gigabytes per second of throughput while 5.0 will effectively double that the PCIe 4.0 does indeed get ratified this year it'll mark a seven-year gap between the launch of 3.0 and the ratification a 4.0 which is a lon gestation period that the pci SI g group ascribes to industry stagnation as the 3.0 interface has afforded adequate bandwidth and throughput for many years it wasn't until the advent of AI and machine learning and increasing popularity of nvme based storage that more bandwidth was needed there are also a lot of smaller announcements or subtle launches at PAX in the peripheral cases and cooling Department so we'll go through those quickly gigabytes got a new CPU cooler that they showed up packs we don't know the name of their cooler or their case the rep with whom we were speaking represented motherboards not cases and coolers so didn't know the names but we've got footage of them so there's no CPU cooler it's got two 120 millimeter fans and I think it includes an angled screwdriver for installation so I don't know that it's gonna be the easiest cooler in the world to install but they're trying to do coolers and it's it's just another you see these companies that traditionally do motherboards and things like expanding into coolers and cases a lot of it is for margin because margin and motherboards is really bad margin and videocards is even worse keep talking less than 10% margins for best case scenarios so to add peripherals coolers and cases means that they can produce products that are much higher margin not sell as many and still walk away better off than they were before and that's why you're seeing the companies start doing this more so they've got a CPU cooler there was a gigabyte case that how is the cooler that's a new case it's got exceptionally limited airflow on the front sort of like the EVGA dg7 sort of like half the other cases on the market right now pretty disappointed in that trend and we didn't get a ton of information about it other than that but that's that's what we know from the gigabyte side on the coarser side they had their Boyd Pro headset present which was shown off somewhere recently they added an antenna to the transmitter updated the memory foam in the ear cups and then there's also a new microphone that's got a 50% larger driver the drivers for the output have also been tuned for frequency to some extent and aside from that there's Dolby Surround on some models it's available in USB if you weren't 5 and wireless options HyperX also had a new version of the cloud headset so this one was the first cloud model done in the house they have done the stainer and whatever the other one was the revolver in house previously whereas the first two clouds were partnered with cue pad the cloud alpha is $100 headset set to either pre-order or ship on September 25th it's got inline controls an extension cable 2.3 meter cable on with extension plus what's coming out of the headset new memory foam and ID there's new stitching and the interesting part is it's got a dual chamber driver so it's a 50 millimeter driver the driver on the sides of it has basically venting ports where some of the sound escapes and those are as I understand it vertically stacked in a way that one port vents into a smaller inner chamber in the earcup and we have actually cool 3d print out that's dissected to show you for that and the lower port outputs into another chain so on smaller ones larger the larger one helps with theoretically base and this means that HyperX hasn't done a lot of tuning on the frequencies because they can just output the sound wave to each chamber and then I guess hope for the best of that so this isn't new to headsets but it's new to gaming headsets we're not sure exactly how well it works yet keep an eye out for a hundred dollars on that one and the ear cup design is the most unique aspect of it in Razer news they have development of custom switches continued and the Razer purple switch is the newest one it represents their foray into the world of optical switches optical switch technology stands to offer hot swappable switches with no debounce and the possibility of analog sensing all of which is to say that optical switches could theoretically add more response and customization to keyboards there's more than a few words that can be set on this topic so definitely easier to refer to the sources for more information and a primer on optical switches should that be necessary you can check out a Tom's Hardware article on the Razer purple optical mechanical switch if you're interested in more and as for my strays just got a new basilisk gaming mouse aimed at the FPS devotee it was announced at Europe's efo but was also at PAX the basilisk comes equipped with the same 16,000 dpi sensor the I believe 3389 that's found in the Death Adder elite and Lance had tournament edition the mouse will offer raisers mechanical mouse switches on the fly dpi adjustment and programmable buttons so the thing here the basilisk Mouse honestly looking at it in person and messing around with it it's not that different from most other mice basically the point of differentiation is they've added a small wheel on the bottom to adjust resistance to the scroll wheel so you can make it it's sort of close to a logitech hyper scroll except it doesn't actually hyper scroll it still and you can go like that and it still only goes one tick whereas Logitech would spin for two minutes so it's not quite there but it is very low resistance or get to a point where it requires a lot of intentional force to move it now is that that marketable a feature I'm not sure you'll set it once and you're not touched again I guess the point is whether or not you set it to where most mice are anyway which would largely invalidate the function or if there's actually some usefulness there may be a very small specific audience would like that kind of thing but it's just another Mouse it's the basilisk 770 dollars for MSRP and the 3389 sensor so another one of those chroma RGB I believe is also enabled on it and that the premature absinthe maps they also have the new blade Pro which was at PAX West and the blade pro is a same as the previous laptop except it has a 1060 in it it's got the same dual fan cooling design priced at $2,300 120 Hertz display and one thing here that's worth note is they do upgradeable dims now so it's actually got DIMM slots instead of the soldered memory which is just really undesirable for the type of laptop we look at so that's good to see it in the very least and liquid cooling news EK water blocks does make good on their promise to expand the fluid gaming series and as of now they offer a 120 240 and 360 millimetre radiator expansion pack in addition to stand-alone @gp blocks a multi GPU connector kids and new soft tubing fittings in different colors and configurations such as 45 degree in 90 degree adapters so they're expanding this line to start approaching the kind of customization get from other loops that are normally made of copper rather than aluminum additionally the ek supremacy ax aluminum block and compatible pump and reservoirs can be purchased individually making buying a kit not required but the idea originally what the fluid gaming series was to make it so that you pick up one kit with everything in it build your loop and you're done to create sort of the intro to cooling so or to open loop cooling anyway so that's news from ek news from Alpha cool they've got their new ice Becker helix and he likes light reservoirs so this new family of reservoirs with the ice Becker helix is basically shaped like a DNA strand running the length of the reservoir interior and the 60 millimeter model will include a UV cathode to eliminate UV reactive liquid new reservoirs come in four colors black red green and blue with fifty and sixty millimeter sizes and that's it for this news roundup for the last week we'll have another one of these with more news items because more stuff has happened in the last few days got a couple of cool topics talked about but as always patreon.com slash cameras action stops out directly we'll be back at home base soon to work on the usual in-depth testing coverage in the meantime subscribe for more thank you for watching I'll see you all next time you