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we're back for our third coffee late component review this time analyzing the unlocked I 380 350 K CPU when the I 370 350 K came out we noted that it made absolutely no sense at its launch price but that we really encouraged the direction of overclockable i3 CPUs and hoped Intel would continue that just with more sensible pricing it was a mix of good idea bad price and price ultimately dictates viability in the market today we're back to see if the 83 50 K suggested retail price of 168 to $179 makes any sense and if the CPU can even be had at those prices before getting to that this coverage is brought to you by EVGA and on video with the destiny to 1080 TI bundle a 1080i SC to comes with a synchronous fan control for its dual fans and nine thermal sensors and again includes destiny to learn more at the link in the description below with the shake up from coffee like just going through the data before this video was almost a little confusing at times I'd be looking at an i-5 8400 versus in 83 50 K and kind of wondering why the performance was the way it was and the thing is you have to remember that Intel now has moved to six cores six threads for the i-5 8400 and upward and that impacts things significantly obviously games and software that uses the extra two cores will seriously benefit from it and that means that the stepping between an i3 and an i-5 and some applications is now greater than previously what's also different of course is that with an unlocked I three CPU like these 7350 K we have some Headroom to gain that back the question as it was with KB Lake is whether or not it actually makes sense to buy one and overclock it to try and claw your way up to an i-5 that's locked or if you should just buy the locks i-5 to begin with and call it a day there and at this price it's pretty damn close to lock the i-5 territory anyway so the i-5 8400 depending on where you check and when you check if you can find it seems to be in the range of 180 it's maybe $200 sometimes it goes higher if it's sold by third parties but that seems to be about the range for retailers the 8350 K is supposed to be a little bit cheaper than the 8th 400 high 5 CPU which is 6 core 6 thread as opposed to the age of the KS 4 core 4 thread setup but it doesn't seem to be available for that price right now so when they appear they're roughly the same price plus or minus 10 dollars that makes them direct competitors so the r5 1600 for example makes more sense to compare to the 83 to the K because ultimately they fall out about the same price ignoring the cost of things like the motherboard and just looking at strictly the CPUs so for the purpose of this video we're primarily going to focus the verbal energy on talking about the r5 versus the a 350 K there are some r3 benchmarks in here keep in mind that this is new test methodology for us that we introduced with coffee-like so not everything has been retested yet including some of the r3 SKUs however the r3 SKUs are significantly cheaper target a slightly different market and therefore don't necessarily need to be here as much as the RF eyes which are here quickly for overclocking as always we have all the components used in the article linked in the description below so click the article for the full testing methods and things like that but for overclocking we use the ultra gaming z3 78 gigabyte board it is not my favorite board to overclock with but it gets the job done and we were able to do 4.8 gigahertz at one point three seven five for the vcore with an AV X offset of two so we're going negative 2 on the multiplier for a V X applications like blender which means it will run at four point six rather than four point eight whereas everything else runs at four point eight that helps stabilize things we did push voltage as high as one point four two and we're not able to stabilize beyond four point eight gigahertz for non AVX applications so sadly no four point nine no 5.0 it might be achievable with a different motherboard but we didn't get it with this one for the CPU so a bit limited there some of this also may come down to load line calibration and things like that but we're still playing around with it civilization six will start us off on the gaming benchmarks side this one is a frequency intensive benchmark and has proven that term time is less dependent on cores note also that the sieve a I benchmark should not be used to test FPS because at worse CPUs will score higher frame rates as a result of spending more time on static screens a G 4560 for instance would outperform in r7 1700 or i7 7700 K that's not because it's better it's because of how the benchmark is built so much surprisingly the i386 DK performs about where the r5 1600 X at 4.1 gigahertz performs this shows the frequency importance for the title the 82 DK completes each turn in 18 seconds totally 90 seconds for all five turns the r5 1600 X finishes in seventeen point nine seconds at 4.1 gigahertz or nineteen point two seconds stock the Intel i5 8400 meanwhile completes turns in roughly seventeen point five seconds depending on the memory frequency for the CPU overclock in the 83 TK to 4.8 gigahertz reduces the time requirement by nine point six percent tying the CPU with a stock 8700 K GTA 5 at 1080p with custom settings plots our I 380 350 K at 123 FPS average marking it about on par with the i5 7600 K stock CPU and i5 8400 a stock CPU the i3 8350 K runs about 13% faster than our fastest rising CPU on this bench the overclocked 1700 and about 4.5 percent faster than the i5 8400 with 26 66 megahertz memory scaling upward the stock 7700 K leads the ATT vdk stock by 6.7% with the overclocked 8350 k outperforming these stocks 77 100k by about 3.6 percent this leapfrogs upward with the overclocks 7700 k cpu eventually winning out and the 8700 k predictably leading the charts from top to bottom the 8700 case stock CPU leads the 83 50k stock CPU by 18.1% as for the r3 cpus the r3 1300 x at $130 operates at 86 FPS average putting it predictably behind the r5 1500 X 1600 X and r7 1700 at 1440p the gap closes as we encounter GPU limitations the overclocked to 8700 K and I counters a GPU bottleneck falling to 131 FPS average and establishing our new ceiling the 83 50k still lines up in the same spot in the stack keeping its positioning right around the stock 7600 K or OC performance at between the 7700 K and 5 gigahertz 7700 K total war Warhammer at 1080 P Highlands the stock 80 250 K at 145 FPS average right between these stocks 7600 K and overclocked are 5 1600 X at 4.1 gigahertz the 8400 performs about 3.3 percent ahead of the stock 8350 K when the 8400 runs slower memory or 7.3 percent ahead when it uses the same memory speed overclocking the 83 50k to 4.8 gigahertz puts it about on par with the 8400 using 3200 my cards of memory and behind the stock 7700 K with its eight threads the top to bottom difference between the 8700 K and 8350 K is about 22% leadership for the i7 at 1440p the 8350 case stock CPU operates at 128 FPS average planting it ahead of the overclocked r7 1700 and about tied with the r5 1600 X frame time performance at the low end is also roughly equal and we are again tied with these 7600 K 8400 carries a strong lead with both memory configurations over the i3 but loses that lead once we overclock the 83 50k to 4.8 gigahertz watchdogs 2 tends to actually like threads unlike most games on the market this game positions the overclocked to i3 at 84 FPS average with lows at 68 FPS 1% and 56 FPS your own percent lows the stock 1600 X is roughly tied with the overclocked 83 50k carrying a lead of 2.7 percent when both are overclocked as for the stock 8350 K that's left behind with the 7600 K stock CPU demonstrating the core and thread advantage in watchdogs to 1440p keeps mostly the same scaling within test variants into error and shows that the 80 250 K remains about tied with the previous 7600 K outputting roughly the same results as previously within error ashes of the singularity is our final game and also one that is through Limited ashna's plots the 8350 k at the very bottom of the list roughly tied with these 7600 k this makes for an unimpressive display by the i3 the r5 1600 x stock cpu is 22% ahead of the stock 8350 k cpu a difference which squarely lands on the thread advantage the i3 8350 k just doesn't keep up very well in this test moving on to power as a reminder our power testing is done at the EPS 12-volt cables rather than the wall so these numbers are more or less the Seaview power consumption numbers as measured - entering into the board the stock I 383 50 K consumes about 47 watts when rendering our blender scene putting it within error margins of the overclocked r3 1200 CPU at 3.9 gigahertz and a couple watts away from the 1300 X stock CPU this also plans to 80 - 50 K right around where the previous 73 50 K was at 5 gigahertz but know the difference and motherboards means we're not taking vrm losses into account overclocking the 83 50k to 4.8 gigahertz so we using an a B X offset of 2 for blender we land at 84 watts with our 1.37 5 volt core and that puts us near the stock 1600 X not too distant from the 96 watt of the stock 8700 k 3d marks fire strike measures the 80 350 K at 34 watts or a 27% higher power consumption than where we measured the r3 1200 with the r3 1300 X at 11% higher than the stock 83 50 K overclocking the coffee like I three to four point eight gigahertz at one point three seven five volts puts us up to 1600 X stock levels of power consumption and not far from the 8700 k stock CPU using total war Warhammer as a game and workload for which we haven't yet added the R 3 CPUs I 380 250 K consumes about 34 watt stock or a 70 1.31 overclocked respectively that puts us either below everything or between the AMD r5 1600 X stock and i7 7700 K at one point three 9v core depending on if you're looking at the i3 overclocked or not prime95 29.2 with 8k FFTs provides taxing AVX workloads creating a range of 38 watch to 590 Watts depending on the voltage of the CPU and which CPU by 383 TK predictably falls closer to the low-end at 65 watt stock which lands it as nearby the overclock are three CPUs and below the i-5 8400 or stock are five CPUs overclocking demands 111 watts keeping the stack the same as we saw earlier our blender renders now use three different scenes two of which were created in-house and one of which was modified for use starting with the two main ones our monkey had seen on blender 2.79 the $170 to $200 i3 coffee-like cpu completes this scene dead last at 58 minutes to render the frame the r5 1500 X stock CPU priced at $170 finishes with a 13% time reduction over the coffee lake chip though overclocking the i3 to 4.6 gigahertz it mostly caches it up that said we've never really recommended the 1500 X anyway and rather point you toward the 1600 over 1,600 X for a budget rendering CPU the extra threads matter the 1600 x stock CPU completes the task in 33 minutes a 43% time requirement reduction the price isn't too dissimilar from a 16 hundred and eighty-three 50k and overclocking at 1600 matches it to a 1600 X anyway clearly if budget rendering is important to you the r5 s when easily just decide whether rendering performance is more important than gaming and then maybe consider the I 5s as well look at the price and make a decision from there as for the other scenes the GN logo render puts the 83 50k at 71 minutes stock or 62 minutes when overclocked the r5 1600 X completes this test in about 35 to 38 minutes so no contest there times pi is next we have the i3 82 50k stock CPU scoring 40 to 41 points on the CPU test translating to 14 point to 5 fps for the physics benchmark this outperforms the 73 50k notably and performs below the 1500 X by 6.5% overclocking the 83 v DK gets it to a deficit of nine point nine percent against the locked 8400 which has an additional two cores that significantly helped this chart alone makes it a hard sell for the 83 50 K as the i-5 8400 functionally cost the same and cost is lower if you're looking at in the future anyway when the non Z boards theoretically actually exist some games make it kind of hard to defend the a350 K over even Intel's own AI 580 400 Japan when you look at the prices they're roughly the same close enough to choose one of the over the other depending on the performance and the 8,400 and games that care about the extra threads and applications like time spy like blender it matters there's actually two threads matter a whole lot more than the unlocks factor of the i3 which depend on how good your chip is and how much you're willing to push the vrm temperatures and things like that it's not a guarantee how high that clock goes so it is a bit of a gamble it's fun to overclock of course we strongly encourage that these companies like AMD with the all of the rise and chips and intel with their now case qi 3s we encourage that they continue permitting overclocking on the low end it throws a wrench in the segmentation a bit but it makes for a better product overall it doesn't however count for the fact that if the product sells at a much higher price because it's unlocked it now eats into the territory of its own brethren the i5 in this case the 8400 9kz bu so depending on the game depending on the application the 8,400 can be a better buy particularly when the extra two threads that really matter what it comes down to is are you only gaming with your system by which i mean your other tasks consist primarily of things like web browsing microsoft office products maybe photoshop things like that in a non extreme photoshop user fashion then maybe it's worth looking at one of the non production focused CPUs if you are doing any meaningful amount of rendering whether that's with blender premiere or otherwise it is worth considering either an r5 the 1600 1600 X we've strongly recommended since they came out those where they lose in gaming they make up for in production so if your scale of usage teeters more toward production it's probably worth buying the r5 CPU if you can't afford something higher rent if you're scaled eaters more towards gaming it's still worth absolutely looking at the Intel CPUs but look through the games that you play the most and kind of mentally put together when the i5 makes more sense than the i3 and a lot of instances they're either close enough that it's irrelevant or the i5 8400 just kind of works better with the games that actually care about the threads like watchdogs - and the overclocking depend on how serious you are about it may or may not be worthwhile for you it's nice that it's present and it's certainly fun to use but you do lose enough off the CPU that it starts falling behind in some applications even with the OC so that's all for this one as always you can check the article link below for everything there might be a couple of extra charts there that we don't have here a quick note on pricing and availability at the time of filming this there were none available so that's very unfortunate and it's been that way since copy Lake launched so definitely disappointing to see that again theoretically this is a mature process theoretically Intel should be able to start pumping them out on mass but we'll see whether they actually do as of now it's pretty hard to get if you've been waiting for a coffee like CPU any of them the word we've received is that they generally restock at major at least US retailers about every other week once per week so if you don't see it check every week and hopefully you'll see one pop up but that's all for now as always subscribe for more you can go to patreon.com/scishow Stu helps that directly stored out gamers and excess net to pick my shirt like this one and I think we now have decals and stickers on the store I haven't even gotten mine yet so if you want to beat me to it they're over there thank you for watching 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