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their war zone here folks hey everyone I'm here at LTX with Jay from Jay's two cents and we're going to be talking about water cooling specifically common or major mistakes that the manufacturers make rather than common mistakes the consumers make right because you said before we started filming I thought a good thing which was the manufacturer sort of set the consumers up for failure in some instances it's true before that this video is brought to you by Dollar Shave club's daily essentials starter set this full grooming kit ships at $5 and includes a trial sized versions of the companies that popular shave butter body wash and wipes and also includes a solid high-quality razor and a full set of cartridges go to dollarshaveclub.com slash gamers Nexus to get the daily essentials starter kit for just $5 and with free shipping or click the link below so I've got about 18 years of water cooling experience in the rear and to back up that claim of mine we were using parts at work meant to be used in computers way back when we were taking heater cores that of junkyards turning them into heat exchangers we were just taking regular 120-millimeter even 200 millimeter fans from like the old you know cooler master cases and stuff aquarium water pumps vinyl tubing from Lowe's like everything was wrong right and just using straight distilled water and I remember thinking we didn't deal with clogs and failures and stuff back then even with mixed metals right because I think what's happened over time is I realized over the last let's say two and a half three years I've seen more water cooling failures in terms of gunking up and clogging than I have in the last you know 15 prior to that and it really gets me to thinking that a lot of the companies that are kind of trying to push themselves in the market into this new it's not even new but water cooling is much more mainstream than it used to be and I think they all want a piece of that that pie and what they're doing is unfortunately cutting a lot of corners lacking a lot of long-term testing and so what happens is as a consumer you think you're getting a product that's ready for primetime that may not have been like specifically like the Primo chill view thing yeah so I thought that's the basis of my claim is we didn't see these types of failures in the day yeah and I could already see comments arguing that well but it's more mainstream now but the point is as it's gotten more mainstream right manufacturers I think some of them have gotten sloppier in creating the product because people are gonna buy it anyway its yields right yes you sell more units make more units at the lesser cost make more profit and the problem is you'll start to see people cutting corners and using lower grade copper higher oxidization levels and and and what happens is you start there's dirty copper this coppers with all sorts of inks and alloys and other things in there that are content potentially contaminants if the fluid that you're using is not meant to be able to inhibit those types of corrosion and so what happens is you get these these products that are not necessarily compatible and the reason why we don't have these problems in the past was just because of plain distilled water yeah and most people have moved away from that because I remember the early days I can remember than the product name now it's been too long but there was the first like non-conductive fluid and it was actually the very first water cooling test I ever conducted I'd actually did it on hard for him it was long to remember there and I had a loop that I used for six years that I'd never been serviced I had never flushed it never drained it never replaced it it the tubing turned from clear to like a peach color was really good it was a green coolant but it turned peach but what I wanted to see was how conductive did this turn turn over times as it's running over metals it's picking up ions and contaminants and becoming conductive so I took my multimeter and I tested it various distances like in the bowl obviously it's you know same captioned surprisingly it was fairly conductive up to six inches away which is at that point any lick any leak you're screwed yeah so that really started the discussion of even the non conductive fluids are only a temporary solution yeah and so my question for you then as a genuine question not just pitching it for camera but if there is a a concern of how long the fluids are in the loop how much of that do we put on the consumers so like like a car right at some point it's your fault for not taking care of it right so at what point do we pass into it is the consumers fault for not taking care of it versus the manufacturer just didn't think it well I mean there's general rule-of-thumb and then there's manufacturer recommendations which it's funny because the manufacturer recommendation usually is a much longer term than my rule of thumb and we got another floatplane coming in no pun intended and that is because of the fact that I tend to annually change my fluids spoiler though I haven't changed skunkworks in two years because I'm still long-term testing the green fluid because I was dealing with the color change on yellow and orange after two years the Green has not changed color on me so two years it hasn't changed color two years it hasn't changed color but the funny part is like and that's a man's pastel and the thing is they'll they'll say it's it's got a five year shelf-life I think it is and recommended two plus years to be able to run in your system so that's falling within that recommendation but any systems I built for friends or family I live and die by the the one year rule six months on distilled water if it's just got a PT nuke or a kill coil or a one year if it's some sort of like a premix and I'm not adding any additives to it but but then you have like silver kill coil something I want to talk about okay the kill coil the silver is an anti corrosive right and the problem is though the silver becomes an issue in responds and reacts to various types of metals that you may not be our wearer in your radiator or your block and stuff because you start to get these lower end companies like from China and a lot of these these no-name brands that are cutting corners using lesser quality alloys that then the silver actually becomes the problem in the loop so you think you're doing the typical this is the right way and you're setting yourself up for failure yeah because again confusion in the market because now everyone wants to be a water cooling supplier and all you've done is create this just mass confusion of parts compatibility yeah yeah absolutely I think another thing also that's worth going over is just as vendors like incoming as vendors have tried to expand their market reach you've got companies like ek doing aluminum for loops now and stuff like that and that's but they're doing it the right way yeah guys all aluminum because it's all aluminum all the way down to the fittings right what a lot of people don't realize is they're concerned about mixed metals all AI OS are mixed metal yeah I mean all of them are pretty much running either a Sutekh aluminum rads or some other aluminum radiator with that they also have biocides in them too now and somebody asked me that earlier that I met here at LTX it was the one question they had they're like you say mixed metals is bad but we're about a iOS I say that pump is probably gonna die long before then you know you'll come across galvanic corrosion because they the fluid is sealed and formulated for that set up it's done right anyway yeah but the the problem is a lot of people don't realize like fittings and stuff those are brass those are brass fittings with nickel plating on them the nickel usually will eat away on the inside of the fitting or it may not be plated at all it might just be on the outside so you already have fluid touching brass and then nickel bare copper I mean you are in a mixed metal situation almost no matter what I was always aluminum's the the one people freaked out about right because I thought about it for a lot of reasons I'm like one of them is thermal conductivity too and we've we've actually tested a like one to one comparison of copper versus alumina the chalasis just I just did straight just straight thermal benchmarking with an identical system and it's it's pretty hard to find a difference in a lot of instances right it's like you get there's definitely a thermal difference in terms of heat capacity and stuff like that because it the thermal conductivity of copper is two times of what it is on aluminum yeah but to actually gain anything out of that you need to have a hell of a lot of the thing is that but that's at max thermal capacity and thermal transfer rate there are pcs and the temperatures at which we're conducting you know the actual transfer of heat is far below that that Headroom so you're not gonna usually find you have other bottlenecks to it because people people look at that data and they say well that means an aluminum loops gonna be twice as hot as a copper loop and that's just not true but I think people freak out about luminol unnecessarily and let's see the thing about the the 240g kit and stuff from UK is the fact that it's the same grade of aluminum being used because just like anything else there's so many different grades and alloys of aluminium and you start mixing those you can have a problem but every single car on the planet has mixed metal loops running all day long and the reason why they don't fail is because they have a regular service schedule and they have a fluid that is designed for that that automotive application which is why you'll see GM recommend one thing Chrysler recommend another you know Nissan recommend and there and the important thing is you have to at least know the recommendations for the part you write on the manufacturer side other than fluids is there anything that has caused you concern lately or that you've disliked from vendors who make these components okay we've got a couple components right we have pumps we have cold plates fittings are a big one for me fittings if everyone wants to have a rotary fitting now of some sort and bits power is still my go-to because they and they've fun fact they have never sponsored a single fitting for me I actually get most of those from performance PCs and and because there they are the most expensive fittings on the market but they have the tightest fitting the best tolerances in terms of having oring so any o-ring you add to your system is another point of failure which is a potential concern you start dealing with double rotary 90s or just a single rotary 90 or 45 and you start adding those each one of those junctions becomes a place that can leak so because they have the best failure rate everything fails everything's got a failure rate guys but because there's there spec is so tighten and the tolerances are so good sometimes it's hard to turn them I use them specifically for that reason because you have a lot of people that copy the best and you have a lot of the the the knockoff brands and the China brands and you know Shenzhen and all that stuff making these these components that are look-alike for the main the main real deal they're a lot looser they don't fit as tight and I've seen so many of these fittings fail in a system that's not moving just it's together it's not moving you're not touching it and just over time they use all the way down to they cheap out on the quality of the o-ring material you've seen the brute the red o-rings in the brown o-rings right each of those are a different type of material and the reason why you you see fittings be expensive is because they're not cutting the corners and that falls on the manufacturer you could do everything right for your system together a hundred percent correct but it failed because of a substandard material that was used exactly yeah which is a problem in a lot of places too so I guess if if anyone's had second guesses about overpaying for fittings or any component that loop there's a reason you pay so much another thing too is just their low volume parts rightly liquid cooling is grown a lot certainly your channel is proof of that and the it's still though a much lower volume than anything else we work with in terms of light you know hyper 212 yeah like millions of those days yeah and it's a it's unfortunate though that a lot of people are afraid to do their custom loops because of the idea of these failures yeah okay so then closing this one out to that point of people being afraid of doing custom loops because of failures even with like CLC as you see this - yeah I guess I should first know anytime there's a failure you're way more likely to hear about it than if it's the success right like Paul talked about a loop failure I've talked about loop failures and you hear about those because it's like catastrophic I know and I've been fortunate enough to not have a catastrophic like explosion of a thing like and that's that's why I say fittings is the other frustrating thing is in both of those instances see Paul's failure was was fluid related and one we already talked about right with the view Kyle's failure was with specifically with a fitting that just randomly popped off and that again comes down to material of the o-rings how tight are they one of the reasons I use prima chills so much on my revolver fittings for hardline is because they have the tightest seal they have two o-rings and when when they seal you have one that's responsible just for the seal you have another what's responsible for the bite on the collar so that it can't slip out so that should should people actually be afraid of building an open loop it's the same thing I tell anyone that asked me that question is if you're willing to assume the risk there's always some level of risk you know it's for me it's an enthusiast thing I feel like the efficiency of the hardware the temperatures that have reduced and how good vapor chambers have become and how good air coolers have become it's not necessary for 99% of the people out there I still do it because it's just an enthusiast thing for me but if you are willing to assume the highly unlikely event of a catastrophic leak then yeah I highly recommend it should you be nervous I'm always nervous I mean most all my loop every system I have is water cool and even our business systems which is probably not the smartest move because in terms of maintenance and stuff but yeah I don't think you should be afraid honestly so if you want to see more of this check out Jays channel Jay's two cents will link him below thank you okay thank you very much thank you Steve good good yeah yeah absolutely we'll see you all next time thank you