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everyone we are at EVGA HQ and Taiwan and I'm with Vince aka kingpin so we actually we were just in a fight over the J overclocking war and I'm sorry man I didn't mean for it to go that far haha we're here to look at I guess first we're doing a lab tour it's great pretty informal this is just gonna walk me through everything here and we'll talk about it a bit and then we have more content that will do on maybe like laughing a CPU or looking at the King 1020 ATT is we're also gonna have a secret project from EVGA at the end of this video so make sure you watch all the way to the end to see some secret upcoming projects they're working on before that this video is brought to you by iFixit and the manta driver kit the iFixit manta driver kit is built out as a generalized tool for repairs of all types with a focus on game console repairs by including those strange proprietary bits phone repair bits laptop repair bits and more the bent a driver kit includes tri Wayne bits spanners positive Drive game bits torch security bits and everything else for general tech repair click the link below to learn more so this you're using for laughing the CPUs yeah we use this laughing machine for laughing the CPUs we use it for lapping the bottom of the pots to make them nice and flat like I told you when I blown my pots to ten yes he loves to put dents in the bottom of them so I like tin is we should you should know antennas the evil genius behind some of the KP mods yes so so 10 gives you the screwed up pots yo and then you fix them with this and then I fix them with this and you can put a really nice lap on your CPUs using this machine so how do we can we turn it on yeah absolutely this is basically a sander so basically it has a stone platter and it's very flat and it's and it rotates forward and backwards variable speed and you use is this your sanding paper yeah 200 grit 400 grit 800 1200 mm just kind of go through all the grits right have you seen any improvement on your thermal since going to this from manual like is it or is just faster definitely the biggest improvement I see is actually the thermal grease you know it will crack less okay and there'll be less grease between the two services it will all push out right and then you can run for a very long time okay cool I'll check it with two hundred first try to take all the nickel off with like 200 or 400 and then just just find that bit with the higher grade cool and I think we'll we'll probably do a video on this later with I brought a 99 8 exe cool I can show you how to use it cool and we have a I have some thermal data from before so complete stock and we can do a test after as well I'll show the improvement nice yeah nice what's what's what's this what's the tank okay well this is an ultrasonic cleaner and basically what this does is it uses cavitation bubbles which are produced through transducers inside the tank okay to to clean and scrub the parts so you just have some power connectors in there right out or some 10 project in there these are these are our parts holders we put the part on top of that because if the parts on the bottom of the tank yeah the scrubbing action can't ok so there's actually a basket there's a basket that goes in here but to put a motherboard and you can't use the basket at me okay so use this I guess I like to clean off the Vaseline from the board's stuff like that man they come out so nice though the boards will come out like spotless no grease no residue no anything with with a circuit board now with the circuit board you you want to use IPA mmm but I got to say IPA is a little bit dangerous okay obviously it's very flammable right so so any any flammable solvents like IPA or acetone you have to be really careful because of the fumes right hey do you do you have anything we can drop in here now and then come back at the end of the video or something oh yeah definitely let's uh let's find something we can drop in I guess okay let me try to find the nastiest one yeah this one's pretty nasty this one's pretty nasty I think green 3z 390 yes so there's a bunch of Vaseline on the caps down there under the socket I guess another thermal grease kpx everywhere you have to protect the pins when you do this sir no I'll put it in just like this okay so it's not that aggressive again oh and the board itself doesn't move it's just basically have the liquid to clean right okay cool let's try it out I guess let's bring it over so let's just put this baby in here like that oh yeah it's it's a known thing on YouTube oh man you've gotta watch the sound on this okay so we've got the board in here is there anything anything safety-wise wait to be worried about okay well you we are using you can use detergent degreaser you can use water you can use solvents we are using isopropyl alcohol and actually it is not recommended to put IPA in an ultrasonic cleaner because there's definitely a fire hazards okay I want to make sure people know that so don't don't do this at home very clear about that yeah for this industry IPA is good because it doesn't really leave any residue I'm not a circuit board and gives you a nice clean product right this this is actually I got this from a Japanese overclocker Japanese make such cool stuff you know those guys are my inspiration for a lot when I point I start so what is it it's a it's a vice pres so you put the motherboard in and you don't need you don't need like a typical mounting mechanism what yeah this you just put the pot inside and I'll get right down to the board that's cool this is very nice for no IHS mmm because you can Center the pop right on the die right and then this is a I see the insulation here what was this for this was actually an old block that we tested with Robo clocker long time ago that's insane it's very heavy so there are there micro fans endure big time okay there's a lot of channels and the it was getting uh Ellen to pumped into it originally yes okay Ellen to would shoot straight down the center and then back out so does it this this can run off ninety nine eighty five point eight no problem nice she just get a machined by yeah we come on locally are we custom-made yeah and then you know what this is neat Oh No okay is it is it a direct I you're okay like that cool so you keep the the outside of the IHS so that you have the pressure correct and the pressure that's really cool that's neat and the pressure is correct and the plane of the CPU will stay nice and way and then you just mount this direct this is another valve block for Robo this can also run 5.8 that's pretty impressive yeah that smaller block yeah right damn that's actually we had these custom-made - yeah that's it's kind of something interesting I don't really show that stuff yeah we do we test a lot of things internally here well it's it's probably uh I would imagine a little bit safer to do it this way so you don't risk cracking the die is not the concern yeah you you can't correct the die like this the measurements are perfect Yeah right the Z height is everything's measuring perfect what about this machine yeah okay yeah this was before before we got this machine so basically I just I cut the socket out of the motherboard right I've been doing this for a very long time because this hopes to counter the deflection that you get so when you put the CPU in the socket you know they make them a little bit I want to say the surface is not flat to begin with so when you put it in there - it will sort of like balance out with the deflection from that from the ilm when you could when you know that's it down this way I can get a better lapping hand lapping on that I see okay so you just would you socket it and then put it in the lap okay cool it gives you a nice nice and I guess when you do it by hand you just tape the sandpaper to a surface or something yeah like everybody does right tape it to the table or at some glass and pen lap is this anything noteworthy that's the bracket for the new icon pot which I have over I'd like to show that yeah we can do that my new stuff should we is this tens lab over here yeah okay he's got lots of interesting stuff okay sure so this is this is ten everyone ten you were on camera with us previously yep so this is your section of the lab it's in the same room with kingpin which I guess yeah just across the goes the wall alright so what uh where do we start I see well we're gonna go flick from here basically like when we designed the new VGA card like in this case when you try kingpin like we do all of like different function testing and everything so like this one of the test rigs so pretty much everything as normal retail pack and then we like test the display you a function test like the clocks to the power pretty much everything you normally do for developing no to be Jake are cool so right now you just have a stock kingpin card hooked up yep so I'm doing some testing with there like radiator as it like do do all the radiator and this is all on extra nine dartboard so like and test can take like the whole day yeah so just runs like that and then I do other things cool what about a is this like a solder station yeah it's like a resort area like when I need to do some mods or like fix some cars like I have the microscope soldering iron and then air station so I can quickly and easily replace things like yeah I can tell that you work in a in a lab because you have labeled your property yeah basically that was the power supply but like long time ago because that was the first EVGA power supply we were working on study and that's basically how all the EVGA business for the power supplies started from did you have to label it tends property because KP was stealing it well I sometimes had no power supply and like like a like oh I just wore this power supply and then I don't see that for like a couple of weeks cool so what about anything here you want to talk about is this like an active project um that's like just some prototyping parts when I need likes a quick cooler like I all use that instead of like Monty and that's yeah a lot of time like if I just want to do a quick check there's something together quickly cool this this is is this the plate from the yeah that's actually a plate for the memory the hybrid cooler right and it helps to maintain memory temperature so you have the thermal pads and it's basically similar part used on f2w three on kington cards because we want like when when you change the air cooler to the hybrid you don't want to have your memory or VRM get too hot right otherwise you are kind of like you making better temperatures for GPU but going backwards on everything else yeah so to make sure everything is balanced like we actually have the fan on the vrm side to blow the air through and then you have like the memory play the backplate with the thermal pads so it's not as easy as just change the color to the like water pump and right okay can you tell me anything about these girls yeah I have some scopes like like the lower speed one the higher speed once over to when I need two more channels to like capture the complex like maybe like our sequence and stuff like that then I'll need more channels and I use those codes but me my main scope is on the desk over there so like shown right here yep so it's smaller scope and like you can pretty much do a lot of things as well and this is like one of the test stations I hear so it's mounted like opposite direction so I can quickly connect the VGA cards and do different testing problems what do you do on this I Syria I do some voltage union and you can see like the probe coop - s.coups I calibrate and make sure all the settings are correct so pretty much like when we compare like doing the precision development and when we like make sure the voltage reading is correct like this pretty much this stuff we use okay and then like make sure that software like to apply the correction calibration so so for Regions match the hardware right right because actually on the kingpin card we implement additional circuitry so the readings correct for both voltage power what about what about this scope over here well that's logic analyzer so the scope will imagine analog signals so like if you want to see like complex waveforms you will use those to do scope ok the logic analyzer is it doesn't show you the waveform but it also will show like timing so like if you have like maybe like SPI like biased communication between the GPU and the SPI chip like you will use logic analyzer to make sure the data is correct ok so it doesn't care about their like signal integrity but it cares about the timing so it's also hair like scope usually have like two channels four channels like like high-end scopes have up to eight channels this thing have 288 channels so you can connect pretty much to whole motherboard and write whatever you want cool what's on top of it is is this just part of the power supply and there's the current probe like so like if I really want to measure the input power this is the thing I use okay so this thing can measure 150 m/s this is just a clamp is it yes so you put the wire through and then you close the clamp and then it's at a scrap I've ever seen yeah it's pretty expensive to like this one goes to 150 amps and like when I do in the full measurement form like a VGA card I use three of these because I want to have independent reading each connector right so I can make sure it's everything is balanced right cool oh that's there like you know like everybody's doing the voltage mods like using the blue trim parts and like to adjust the voltages and things so like sometimes you want more accuracy and you want to actually know what's the value you set when you're doing the voltage mode so this is essentially the same thing but but you can read the wall at the resistance directly so this is hundred K steps 10 K 1 K and you just dial in like oh okay you want okay so you said this one zero this one zero how often you use this we use it from time to time like like for example for the Titan RT expansion will like use this to set the exactly settings you you want right so and then you just connect this two wires to usual like voltage more coins okay I'm cool I see a Titan RTI crowd up there yeah that's what all the loops from what's left of it yeah so there is the rest of it in a bench right now or something well we did some testing and like kingpin already posted the results for portrayal okay we have a couple of results but that's still working projects oh well that was like when we were checking for the z3 90 dark during the development like what signals go where like so I printed just bigger like bigger schematic layout of the board so like I can see like oh this signal goes there these signals go there it's just more make work flow more simple yep yeah that's pretty cool and then I recognize this as that the test bench the bench trade for the z3 $90 yeah and also like we use the same same idea for the the x2 99 that was the first board to come and it's just and just this is the PCB I Pro PCB but that one doesn't have any PCB traces and it's so we can bundle together right retail package is there anything special this card up here that the oldest card I could find before like the recycle everything that g-force to 256 okay with the DDR memory it's just before you are working at EVGA yes yeah I just keep it like as a piece of memory like when all the g4 stuff started right yeah that's the high speed scope like similar to others just goes to seven gears like very expensive very high speed but I use it only for the special purpose so it's hidden there in the rack doesn't move in you know all of the comments are going to be about cable management well its desire to be better yeah we are the same problem it's like we do the same for actually the gigabyte OSI lab we we saw the same comments I think you know it's a I don't think people are normally too serious about it but this is clearly look you can spend a lot of time like optimize and make everything you don't really use it like that way right when like we designed the new erm like that's the test board I made I've actually have my name on yeah I see the Cuban card which gave Tino kington Kington yeah this is 780ti 780ti okay so did you just do read for fun i guess 'sir yeah because no nobody ever supposed to see this so alright like secret project we made like one day like five okay so this was just for when you did like initial testing of the design yeah okay you can see like actually live erm controller is on the page board so it's kind of like yeah yeah right there yeah cool so that's a that's tin side of the lab I guess we'll go over to the last section we're at infants currently got his display case the twenty atti kpk up yep and maybe an Ellen to pot so let's switch the mics back and move over there we got a lot of Ellen to equipment obviously yeah whole rack of it you want to talk about the wall of it it's what the history this is our sort of display case it's like our Hall of Fame there's some some products in here weren't were created before me and ten got here but okay most of these are during our during our era is this a chronological order random order no of course I set it up perfectly yeah this is chronological on K peas so five five eighty classified 680 is this before you or were you here this was actually our first project together welcome ATX 580 classified that's death tins first design and it was our first opportunity getting cool that blower cooler design is insane it's really effective that is it yeah this card overclocked is good too so is this an exhaust up here is it it looks like it's channeled out the top in the back if you yeah it's mad portion but most of it goes out the eye okay cool and then the 680 classified what frequency do they have left well the 680 plus what is the first car to get two gears on GPU yeah okay like we pushed like over like 20 80 almost 100 later yeah we hit 2,100 on that and we'll actually beat was at 7970 what's Radeon Cardon I think that's about the right era yeah yeah it was killing all the Nvidia cards but we got this one too 2100 took all the records with it cool so this one I recognize this is around when I started paying attention to the classifieds 780 classified was sort of the the dawn of the KP card and this this design I recognize I remember the the clear shroud I think we started seeing that at CES or something carbon clear and yeah which so out of all these designs is there is there one that you feel the most attached to like I mean it's or even out of be is like what's if I stole something from you today which would you want me to to least steal not that I'm planning anything I would say probably the 780ti is special really is this first one okay it's the first KP card yeah and this card was actually very very good it was much better than anything else that was out what's the red baseplate stock that's it's it looks like it has a red base plate in there so yeah that's exactly their stock okay cool so then you have the 980 which we we did a lot of videos on that one and on that one what are the stuff down here like what is this that's our next generation a power he just just designed that about a year year and a half ago yeah basically we've had the red one that's the generation four so whatever it is that in 2014 and then because like the new GPUs had higher power consumption we designed the new one so also it's not so easy to get even but nowadays so all the evbot functionality is integrated on the new e power right you just have one package and everything it does everything and that's easy button there yeah okay cool I never actually I have never actually seen eve'ybody it's a rare bird it's a rare bird cool when was that last made the you remember that was made in show Minos days over a year eight years ago essentially like all the new regulations for the voltage control and like settings adjustments and everything is limited basically central to the software and we're nvidia will allow you so what was our solution back then but now you have the software which can do similar things so you don't really need Eva got as much right that's one of the reasons why we didn't actually pursue to make new really but right right what about the center here so let's let's talk about this thing let's talk about the SRS or - - yeah well this board has got some history man this was not our design of course this history nose board let's start with this just because it's sticky and a half so well this is a custom chipset pod I made and when I would run four-way SLI the chipset would be blocked so I made this pot where the cooling surface is actually under the GPU and can it work pretty good and then we what's angle it so you can see in the pot because it still got like the same there's a lot of vaseline on that board it's not the same just like it just got benches yeah you still have this the drilled out areas like increased surface area just like a GP or CPU pot and you were telling me earlier that this was actually necessary right like the chipset pot yeah a hundred percent 100 percent just needed this to get the FSB up mmm right right so I think I mean now on modern boards you really don't need much for the chipset at all yeah that's pretty cool see that custom-made and then what's the black gunk on top of the plate there's a there was a temperature probe in there and that kind of kept it in place I say I've got some tech just to secure it so dual socket board and this one predated the SRX yeah this yeah the first one right imagine imagine two CPU pots at one two three four plus this did you help Corrine yeah well usually been disadvantaged with four GPUs and two CPU hats like whoa look at the split job basically I was pouring GPU cards and Vince was managing the system and for my chips apart that's cool because when you bench it together you need to you know how much you pour it onto and you expect like some temperature drop from that somebody else poriyal I'm doing you don't know I like you this is racket looking at the screen then your temperature will call back and your system will stop running right it was a lot of fun and also a lot of frustration with what you should do is recommission this into Robo clock or that's what you should do it's a terrible idea but it would be cool yeah this is this this is a gnarly system man this is definitely still to this day this is probably the most complex and most difficult thing I've ever overclocked yeah I believe it doesn't that many pots to manage thanks with joking around like oh like this new during the hard way is too easy to run right you said the settings you get the temperature that seems record done record done so now we have the secret project part of the lab tour yeah basically we discussed like stuff about this r2 and we're also working about this beast so this is the board which will work with Intel Xeon 3175 X CPU and essentially this is a workstation CPU which will allow overclocking and we still early steps on this project so this is the board PCB on it yeah this is the the first look I think there so yeah we didn't show this before and essentially it will be a workstation board in e-atx format so you can fit in the standard workstation case but also support overclocking so you can see the vrm so what is the I see a year on six six teams right yeah we opted for the one team per channel so you have six channels and six teams it redeems on each side essentially you have tangia Network PCI Express up to 48 claims from CPU and all the connectivity you would expect from the normal rotation board was you to m2 was the dim choice mostly for a form factor of the board or forever yes pretty much we have to rotate the circuit similar to z3 90 dark so you can fit everything together in there without increasing the height of the board so because essentially we also wanted to support normal server xeon cpus like some golden Platinum's and since this board would fit both purposes for over comer and former station if you have like 4k or 8k or five key yes processing system as opposed to the they exist the other two boards are like the Dominus and the gigabyte one are like 14 by 14 I think they're pretty big yeah you only add a special case yeah yeah there's like this one supports one power supply so you have 24 pin right angle and for eight pins for the CPU power and their vrm is gonna be right here I guess yep okay yep so you have all these phases for vrm and separate power regulators for the memory so what is once you get the PCB in like this what's the next step in the process well essentially we'll help get the PCB assembled with all the components so we can do the initial bring up yes the functions make sure everything's okay then do the bias board so we like do the memory tuning power tuning all that and after that we'll see like if compatibility issues like we will try different devices different J cards right a different memory do all that testing and then board will be ready cool cool so there's the sr3 yeah I like working name right now is there pretty dark so we'll see how that goes okay so we'll we'll check back on this I guess closer to whenever it's gonna launch yeah we're playing around Computex time to show something working and go cool there's your first look at past my three then other than that uh see the award oh yeah that's Innovation Award yeah I prize right there and I love that thing yeah that was those four Robo clocker yeah last year 2018 I think yeah when I got that I posted it on my Instagram I'm so proud of it and then on the right side it's just some motherboard so what is what is the Slap Chop The Slap Chop is a product from like a long time ago in the US the infomercials it's an EVGA product no it's not a WJ products it's just some junk us infomercial product that's kind of a joke it's dirtying the brand still pretty fun all right what uh anything else you want to show on this side of the room I guess let's do the let's at least just show I guess the main bench which which bench do you use the most frequently this one this one over here yeah so let's show this off is that the new pot you're talking about yep this is my pretty much where I live I mean I spend majority of my days here testing everything everything in anything these are my new pots that's the t-rex for the CPU this is the icon for the GPU nobody's seen this yet actually okay I haven't sold it so that's the brand new one yeah this is for RTX GPUs it's got the bigger cooling surface which actually is much better this is that that's the main change you made I guess improved internals - okay it's got a little more speed and control so what uh internally is it a visible difference oh yeah it's it's got more surface area a trained eye I guess it has the surface area where you need it up towards the front of the die okay right the action is more quick that makes sense because these GPUs heat up what was the net you said icon or it's called icon I can't that's painful is this gonna be are you selling this one or you just for internal use no I'm gonna start selling it maybe next week X okay I'm gonna put it up for sale kingpin : calm yep keeping cool well if anyone wants to get in - Alan - yeah so I have to ask you because I bought some stuff from your website and you sent a note to my best event or my best fan I think right Johnny Johnny Cage reference yeah so is that actually a reference to Johnny Cage yeah I'd look at it alright cuz we had we got that in and I think I showed it on streem I was like like guys I don't know what this reference is - and so on yeah someone pointed it out so is its since sure if it was intentional I wanted to get it I wanted to ship it that day I want yeah too quick but actually I was gonna put in a picture like a portrait picture with its sign just like the friendship yeah but I just wanted to ship it out quickly wrote something nice well it's in the set background now really yeah has been there for a couple months okay cool so that's the lab will have at least one more video here and I guess I think I think we need to also pull out the board that we've been cleaning this whole video and definitely didn't just put it on pause and we're gonna start cleaning it right now yeah so we'll check that board ask well okay so we're back after the rest of the lab tour and this has now finished we ran it through twice I think yep so like maybe 20 minutes or something like that - ten minutes cycles okay so let's let's pull it out see how it looks we got Jesus she's gonna be really clean and all the Vaseline is gonna be gone gone gone nice that is very clean oh yeah so all the stuff that was on the caps over here is now gone yeah does it just drip into like a lower container well we what we do isn't 101 when the when the solvent gets really dirty we can drain it okay but you can reuse it over and over again a lot of the sediment stuff in there right kind of sink to the bottom okay cool so now what's next all right let me just blow this off clean it blow it out the hallway you can see that it basically removed all the Vaseline yeah that's great it's nice and dry now nice yeah so oh and all the pace that was on the socket yeah it's pretty much gone there's a little bit of residue right that's nothing cool it's clean so there's your ultrasonic cleaned board I guess ready for reuse yeah and now you don't have an excuse when the when the engineers get the board's back if it's dirty they hate my greasy hard well thanks for watching subscribe for more you can check out convinced off that kingpin cooling calm right and of course go to patreon.com/scishow and exit topside directly thank you for joining me yeah Vince and Tim thank you we'll see you all next time