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okay so we should be streaming in theory let me open up chat and all that stuff and what we're gonna be doing is looking at this pile of cards in front of me today so we have a lot of stuff we can work with for this okay so I think we are alive yes looks like real life cool it does start streaming before you click start streaming in YouTube but only by like 15 seconds okay all right so yeah what we're doing today is testing a bunch of 20/80 tea eyes and what we are testing is artifacting primarily so these are from viewers and some of these I've already tested most of them but you can go through it again because there's it's always something new with this and we keep finding different modes of crashing and things like that so I want to wait for a chat to join in a little bit and tweet out a link and stuff like that and then we'll start benchmarking I'll show you the system that we have set up as well so we are live testing the r-tx 2888 VI artifact gain all right cool okay so most you probably are aware of this issue by now what we are not doing is is hopefully not showing BS hoodie is how the bsod issue should be pretty much solved I think I have maybe one card on the stack in front of me that wow that was that's okay but it was just blue screening and that should be resolved with the drivers because that was a very monitor dependent issue yes we're using the latest Nvidia drivers or we will be and then the rest of it is going to be artifacting primarily on the FE cards but we're gonna look at some of these other cards as well I have a gigabyte one down there that I haven't tested yet so we'll test that live today and then has 4c a couple questions in chat already too and I'll start getting to these soon so for first super chat was sivaiah less a $1.99 hi Steve unlimited power yes unlimited power might be part of the problem on these we'll find out today James coil $2 intel is watching you don't know what that means but probably accurate under stood zc $5 Steve are the limited-edition T's fitted or looser overall hashtag F stream posters they are they're pretty fitted but they're very close to our exist our other shirts are non foil shirts so if you have one of those they're pretty damn close the the foil T's are marginally tighter like they're a little more fitted so you're kind of borderline maybe bump a size up or down as appropriate and I'll note that on store digame razaaq's has done that we are in the final rounds of these so I think these will probably be gone during this stream today because we have I don't know like 20 left or something like that last I checked okay so yes we have a pile of 28 et eyes we have let me just go through them first I guess so we've got which one is this this is in I've labeled them all to for internal tracking purposes so we know whose is whose but this is an EVGA 20 atti XC gaming we have a 20 atti XC ultra and then we've got a whole bunch of these I have more that are not on the table here because we only have so much time today so this one fe card obviously and we have an fe in the bench already of a couple Effie's in the other room we have another fe e so we're gonna be working on three of these alive today and then you can watch the video for other coverage when we do a recap video later XC gaming and then a gigabyte card so the ones we're really interested in are the FES cuz I've already tested almost all the partner cards that I got in from you all and if you do haven't a card with artifacting issues I guess email us if you want to send it in on loan but we'll figure it out dead 2080 TI @ gamers nexus tonight if you really wanted to to check on it okay so people are starting to file in let me go over the testbench if we can see any of it this is pretty straightforward so we're not trying to replicate the blue-screen issues today we are going for other issues and I guess I'll turn on my a my power log or two because we might make use of that I have a card in a bench next door but I forgot to bring it over here but it currently has about six thermocouples on it so it's a wiry mess but we're actually not seeing overheating issues on that so now I've seen vram overheating issues not seen vrm overheating issues back side of the PCB seems fine there are cards that do run incredibly hot that I haven't put probes on yet but just field test a pretty hot that's not valid for anything though the card I have in the test bench over there now is actually not overheating it doesn't have memory thermal issues which is what people postulated a lot when this issue first came about so that doesn't appear to be the issue on that specific card we'll see if it is on any of the others not going to test thermals live today because that involves taking them apart and putting a bunch of thermocouples on it so I need to do that off stream it takes a lot of time but we are going to just demonstrate the problem and see if there's like I don't know if we throttle back on power or memory frequency will it fix the artifacting issues so here's the the first cover testing this is f1 and this one is just a Nephi card as well then for the bench we have Maximus 10 hero so an 8080 6k bench for this one it's deleted I mean it's 5 gigahertz doesn't really matter but it's our standard CP or a CPU for GPU testing and then a corsair if we look at the power supply down here of course here a X 1600 I and that is sufficient I mean the reason I'm showing it is because we're not going to have power limitations with a 1600 watt power supply so any of the issues are are those of the card almost entirely and and that's what we're looking at today so I also have a power monitor on there then as for before we get started with some of the testing here the sponsor for the stream is Thermaltake their flow 360 cooler so if you won't pick it up we've got a link in the description video description down below this is the thermal take flow rain 360 RGB cooler comes with the arena RGB fans and they were actually some of the first to do that approach to LED lighting and fans and it's an ace attack branded pump that's then modified for thermal takes uses so if you're familiar with AC tech performance you get the same a stack performance here just with thermal takes rain fans for some extra extra um okay so first one we've got some people in chat now and I think let's just go ahead and did you know it down the memory each card has okay let me address this apparently micron has a supply issue there's actually no confirmation of that like no one everyone who says that doesn't know what they're talking about there might be issues with the micron memory but the reason people think that there are issues is not the correct reason people think that micron memory is bad on like all our TX cards because Nvidia started using Samsung memory that's not how it works Nvidia and AMD always mix their memory suppliers after the first round comes out for new memory architectures or designs or whatever GD dr6 is brand new micron is first to market Samsung's coming in so it's to alleviate a supply issue not to alleviate necessarily a like a little like a defect issue with the micron chips so there could be an issue with the micron memory there might be a bad batch but all of the micron memory is not bad which is what I'm seeing hot on line where people are like all our TX 20 guys that have micron memory don't work because that's not true we have I don't know like a dozen our TX cards for review sample purposes and not one of them had this artifacting issue so anecdotal yes but there are hundreds of reviewers and same thing there and also I mean I I just I know from talking to people it's it's supply so this always happens the cards always bring on new memory suppliers as they start pushing same thing with this is why a lot of the vendors won't specify their capacitors their thermal pads their thermal paste stuff like that because the supply has changed constantly to keep up with demand so you open one card the next you might see different thermal paste or thermal pads as we saw with our TX and that's the same thing you're seen with memory so definitely there could be a difference in quality between memory but that's the reason the memory is changing is not solely because of like defect issues or something like that so when is the foil shirt expected the ship there in production and I think we have it on the website above the Add to Cart button there's like an estimate of when they'll be shipping so that's handled by distribution but if you go to store documents access not net click on the foil shirt you'll see the estimate for when we were planning to ship it okay so yeah let's let's just run I don't know like time spy or something we have a lot of testing we're doing separately that won't be on the stream for Diagnostics but you can use different applications like different gt2 for example is great for testing memory if we think there's a memory issue specifically if it's memory artifact and it does look like that here on gt2 and try and validate that your own firm Ark if you think it's a power delivery issue and we've been doing that as well so there's different applications to stress different parts of the card I have the monitor scaled so this is gonna I might have to scale it back up to 4k we're not looking at performance or anything today we're just looking at is it gonna start artifacting so let me let this launch and then I might might scale it back to 4k just to get it to get a full screen because we get artifacts we want to enjoy them in their full resolution so like I said we are working with a number of cards today and the time at which they fail may be different the applications that cause them to fail may be different some might even be completely fine depending on if they were sent in on bsod issues or sent in on on artifacting issues so let's kill this and get it open fullscreen okay it's just gonna make it harder for me to see but it'll be easier for you to see alright so stress test so we're just gonna tell it to run fire strike extreme it might not very extra time spike extreme might not artifacts we'll see in a second if it does not will launch a different one okay so let me check on chat for a second so we got I'm not convinced that this is real Steve I don't know what what that means like it it happens so I see it what we don't know is is this a widespread issue or not like the artifact in specifically DSR these were widespread issue artifacting its kind of nebulous because speaking with partners they're still seeing RMA rates that are completely within the norm so you know what how that how that kind of is represented as these cards age we don't know but certainly Nvidia says it's not a broad issue and the partners seem to say that they have low RMA rates but Nvidia is not going to tell us if they have high RMA s and I don't know the retailers seem to say that there's our normal as well which is typically under 4% super chats while this is going till we it sometimes it takes a couple minutes artifact sometimes it doesn't at all depends on which card is in there so we'll find out soon super chat from Sam command so $2 thank you for that thanks for doing this for the community Steve I think Sam might be sending in one of his cards as well so we may have one coming in from you what do I need to check my notes on this one and see if I already test this this is card f1 so f1 I saw issues with artifacting originally and issues with being unable to install drivers at all with the previous driver version so that might be a different issue than some of the other ones but let me we'll let it go a little longer and I'm going to read some more super chats before we try and stress at different ways it caused it to crash so next one is from Draco night Walker $5.00 great way to spend a Saturday morning in Washington kiesza swell thank you for viewing from Australia Axius $5 was the thumbnail with the Lightning a subtle advert for the mod match ie anti-static properties nope I think we were just going for destructive references $2 message retracted okay easier $2 Australian can we get some GN themed pajamas now sorry no current plans wishbone $5 does the 28th et I suffer from artifacts from beetle Adventure Racing where did this this reference to this game start because I've seen this one a lot the beetle Adventure Racing reference do you know where that came from is that a Linus thing or is that just like a general gaming thing let's see let's see what's going on with the card so I'm just gonna launch precision and I just double-check on its frequency while it's running extreme okay good enough and we'll just kind of start swapping cards looking for ones that artifact we've got a big pile of them and andreas sheriff $2 Steve it tell Jay to hashtag pimp my pc isn't that Kyle saying I think that's Kyle Finn isn't it pimp my rig I meant to launch that in windowed mode we got one from Sean Devine $5.00 have you considered doing a more joint videos with the Canadian ruble my sir Linus yeah I mean he's not that close to us so we try to just meet up with him whenever we're at events at the same time and it's always fun working with Linus of course let me launch that in windowed probably work with mats maybe CES we might run into each other and in Las Vegas in January next one Chris in do 6 $5.00 it's got home just in time to crack a beer and take a DAB hey Steve fiddle with my card thanks for doing this I don't know which one yours is but it is if you sent it in it's probably on the table we might have another one it might be in one of the benches next door okay so let's check on the just see if the frequencies doing what it should be it should be going to like 1900 megahertz so just part of basic troubleshooting here it's kind of within reason I guess okay so not seeing artifacting yet on this one this is one that had specifically had issues with installing drivers and it was the previous version so that might be a driver related defect although it was pretty severe artifacting if it was just a driver thing whereas some of the others might be hardware level we'll find out though let me just boost the power target just to see what happens if we do a basic overclock that shouldn't be a problem so I just did a hundred offset in max power target now most of these are artifact if they artifact with the baseline specs so you shouldn't need to overclock them to cause it but we're just gonna let it run like this for a bit and maybe go to a couple minutes or something see if it exhibits any issues and I also I need to figure out which card I was testing earlier not that one I think let me check the other room and see which card I had that for sure was having issues this one should be pretty good alright so I'm just grabbing a card out of a test bench right now you should still be able to hear me and it's got a lot of wires hooked up to it so it's gonna take me a second okay I'm caught my okay there we go so here's one that's really under test right now lots of wires coming out of it lots of thermocouples logging different parts of the card to see if there's a thermal issue so there were no thermal issues with this one that we've measured we don't have every component logged of course but we've got a lot of them logged and we're not seeing high thermals or out of spec thermals on honey so I've got one of the MOSFETs two memory modules back side PCB where it's the hottest on the backside anyway and none of those are showing thermal issues so but it's just killing benchmarks as they run so one of the things we're trying to figure out is is is that because of a power issue or is it because the monitor that took it up to it but we've tested in a couple of different test benches now and sometimes the issues are sporadic but for artifacting they they seem pretty Universal let's see which one of these everything's so small at 4k from this distance so we're gonna do just do OpenGL stress test that's not what I wanted but close enough I guess they've updated this application alright I'm just gonna run this for a minute as well stress a different part of the card this is gonna be power and we should reset to defaults here to default okay now overclock so frequency here I should note is it's gonna be lower so if you're seeing numbers that you think are low it's because fur marks specifically does not enumerate the clock the same way it's more of a V RMS raster so you don't boost as high so that's actually normal that's not a defect that it's at 1600 megahertz and we've got 99% GPU load I don't like this version of fur mark FC and thermals are within reason on the core so far I typically we let this run for at least half an hour for trying to do thermal tests but this one on the card I'm going to plug in next was failing within a couple minutes typically I don't know that we've seen that on the card that's in there now so we have f1 and there now we're gonna go with E one next which is one of the other cards and feeling kind of impatient so I'm not gonna let this go too long before I plug in the other one just to start showing off some of the issues that we're seeing but doesn't hurt to start with one that has sporadic people are saying bad doughnut and now I want doughnuts don't have death and Homer no all right let me check super chats and stuff so Oh actually let me take a couple store orders too because we got some of those and so if you order from the store tonight on store doc gamers X it's not net we're down to the last probably 20 or so actually we got an order in let's see maybe 19 at this point of the the foil graph logo shirts this one I'm wearing now the limited-edition one so we're planning probably probably going to run out of this one if you remember the last one in the middle back there the foil anniversary teardown logo shirt that one we had some left over after we we sold through we had a couple left over that we held for shipping purposes in case any got lost and shipping just to make sure everyone got one this one's been popular enough we're not gonna do that this time so I mean they'll be they'll be gone when they're gone and that's gonna be it there won't be a second listing for any period of time so we got an order from Jonathan from New York thank you for placing that picked up a video card components poster and one of the shirts okay so I'm feeling impatient I want to show issues let's let's switch over to a card that typically has been showing issues but never know it should probably persist to this bench from the other one this is so hot but it's not not outside a spec or anything it's just too hot to touch so the backplate on these it seems like on all of them gets to be about 70 degrees or so Celsius and for perspective 60 is about where you don't want to touch it for more than a couple seconds but that doesn't mean it's malfunctioning though it just means you know be careful if you are swapping cards out a lot and that's also why we hooked up so many thermocouples to this one which will go ahead and monitor some of those while this is running assuming I can do it without them getting too crazy tangled so this one's going to memory it's going to this this thermocouple it's going to a memory module where's slots right there so it's right around here on the board and then this thermocouple back here is going to the back side of the PCB on the one of the hotspots on the backside of a GD dr6 module and then this one is going to a MOSFET so it's the hottest MOSFET in the middle of all of the vrm and actually that's going to memory next to the MOSFETs it's the hottest memory die next to the vrm and then this one is going to the MOSFET in the middle I think that's all of them on this car so it's it's a lot of lot of thermocouples which gets really annoying to setup and very expensive very fast okay so this is e1 which like I said does not appear to have thermal issues but does appear to have issues with stability and we're going to have to probably reinstall the drivers for each car the thermocouples in my way there we go okay cool sorry annoyingly gonna have to probably should reinstall drivers for each one because it's a different device different device ID despite being the same model of device so we're gonna just reinstall and clean those drivers pcie and okay this one should be kind of fun because we can look at the thermal data while it's going go okay no thermocouples near the fans okay those are all on we're booting and those are away from the fans so we should be good to go on this one if little boot there we go it's a good start so yeah this one after a driver install it's been crashing and uh I don't know it's so sporadic so it crashed twice and fire strike extreme and then after that it survives fire strike extreme but it kept crashing in fur mark but different version of fur mark than I have on here so we'll see how much that matters and I need a quick DD you yeah okay after we do to you we're gonna install the driver part of this is also testing the new driver versus the old but I was using this one on the new driver today when I was having those issues okay super chats while this is clean on Ensign hidden shades five dollars Canadian thank you there bear mentioned that the twenty eight ETI cards are running at less than five percent RMS currently I believe his number was actually around two percent so and I think your message got cut out are the loud few making and it ends there yes that's about what we're here we're hearing less than that actually so typically numbers for basically for like all of the cards is under four percent for our mas and then the some manufacturers have told us there are point one percent for our TX and some are even lower than that you have to remember a few things here there's some sample bias because manufacturers like ace use gigabyte all the board partners those people they are selling different cards technically so it's the same reference PCB same GPU same memory even but there could be something else going on with batch like if Nvidia got the first batch of everything maybe that one had defects or something to that extent but then you have to ask why isn't that happening with the press samples so yeah it's definitely this issue is not quite as widespread I don't think as you might believe it's not like literally every twenty eighty or twenty atti is doing this artifact in the the BSOD has got mixed in there with the artifacting which made it look a whole lot worse than it was but most of those related to multi-monitor to gsync high refresh anything to do with monitors so bsod is are being solved through drivers whereas the artefact and we don't really speak in with various people in the industry don't really have a known solution for those yet so that's what we're dealing with in terms of unpredictable behavior but to answer your your comments it is a low RMA overall from what partners have told us for what you can trust of that number and it sounds like it's more affecting Effie and we don't have any numbers from Nvidia for Effie RMA is it's really riveting installation of the driver version for 16.8 1 ok so and then we've already killed the drivers and I just need to do an install and then we can start messing around with this one currently if you're curious the temperatures are where's this going this one is going to the middle memory module 36 degrees on one of the GDD are six modules where's this one going MOSFET I think 38 degrees which is completely reasonable and then ambient is about 23 and our last component backside are actually two more components back side PCB 36 degrees that's opposite the one of the hotter memory modules it's not doing anything of course right now okay so that's installing it's got a comment from Mitch Jeffrey two dollars Australian hi from Australia the left Hardware unboxed apparently he's staked claim of it zeg five dollars are you going to test the RMA tracing performance just kidding love the content Jian crew good to see you is EDG thanks for sending in the five bucks and we'll test our m8 racing performance I guess when RMA tracing host where a day 54 no r-tx but that's partly contingent on the Windows 10 patch that's supposed to come out to enable a lot of the r-tx features because Nvidia and Microsoft are linked into each other Norwegian 55 from veggie I have an i5 4690k on a gtx 1060 i get 2 to 5 second lawn lag spikes a lot what can the problem be without knowing more about your configuration that's I don't know check check thermals on the CPU and the GPU you could check if you're hitting any kind of like thermal threshold t.j.maxx or something like that without knowing it that would cause that you could be experiencing issues with I don't know didi you and Driver reinstalled probably worthwhile as well that can happen for a lot of reasons graphics quality settings being one of them okay so I don't know what version of combustor I have on here but where you gonna try and use it and then I'll probably change the resolution if I can't see it well enough all right so let's do a test with fur mark donut OpenGL J run stress test so what we're gonna do is look at the thermocouple readouts I have here for power for total system power just for reference total system is that 370 which is actually 30 watts lower than than it was with the other version of fur mark so I have to grab that and then the component temperatures are heating up so we're in the 40s and 50s I'll update you as soon as they get a bit higher and GP loads at 99% so it is working properly GP power is at about ninety eight ninety nine hundred percent so we're good there as well so everything's doing what it what it should be so far just in terms of numbers and running properly I need to see if I can grab the proper version of fur mark as well for mark so this is primarily a power virus workload it's gonna stress the power components more than anything which is what we're most interested in right now and we have other tests for memory if we need to go that route so fur mark let's download this just to have it in case we need that as well oh there's some artifact there you go so we got some artifacts so now you can you can see what it looks like Hetland the very least so this is I can you see that okay on the camera this is what the artifact in looks like it's it's like little X DS we kind of realized the oh hey and we're not sure if there's a pattern to these but if you're wondering is this a thorough I mean it could be but for all the parts we've probed here it really does not there's not an indication that it's a thermal problem so we hit 60 degrees max on the vrm and 60 degrees on one of the memory modules just looking at my thermocouple readers here I don't want to move them because I'm worried it'll suck one of the cables into the fan and then power max what was our maximum power to be spike was 445 watts total system power draw which is reasonable we've seen that for known-good cards as well so anyway there's your there's your artifact and it crashed too to add to that so that was combustor let's see if we can get that to happen one more time in combust in a fur mark before I move on to something like you know realistic like 3d mark run this one run stress test I really don't like this version of fur mark but it seems to be working so I'll just let it keep going everyone's posting XD's and in chat instead of F's so we got our first artifact in for the night let me just post a tweet first artifact in for the night on the live stream watch here and now what we're gonna look for is if we can reproduce it on this card and if we can reproduce it on other cards and then what applications cause that issue and also if we drop the power and memory does it survive so this isn't really a memory Steve could it say okay it could I don't know what I don't know if it's supposed to say anything might be an old character might be a debug code but uh so we're at 65 degrees right now on what is this component let me see where does this thermocouple going this one is the MOSFET sixty looks like artifact yep we hit about 65 on the MOSFET before artifacting and about sixty on the memory that's the topside measurement so the die inside of the module will measure higher than what we can measure outside of it but 60 is really pretty low even if there's a 10 degree Delta that's still within spec which is about 95 C and just for reference I've run cards without any like only a CLC on the GPU no cooling on the memory no cooling on the VRM and I've had memory on 1080 28 et eyes excuse me up to 105 degrees Celsius the external temperature case temperature without any crashing it's not a not like in mass movements very strange right now probably needs to be restarted after the artifacting so we've run it pretty damn hot on known good cards you shouldn't do that but traverses of troubleshooting it did not appear to be just a strict thermal issue okay so I'm just trying to launch fire strike and it does not appear to be happy with that decision I think we're gonna have to reboot that's okay we can't give a start menu to open up that's that's good unfortunately oh now it's freezing okay really unhappy after that come on Shirley really the whole system is very unhappy with the artifact and that just happened you get a couple more questions here a name that I can't read it's in a different language but it from looks like your avatar is a penguin and it says buy towels or vitals are you b203 am just went through all the fun of artifact scene r93 haiti luckily it was a software issue i know you're paying r-tx guys may the force be with you well if you sent one of your cards and then you've got brethren and chat who are familiar with your pain okay this is like this is really annoying like you see how much I'm moving the mouse and it's not moving off the screen so we're frozen clearly and I was saying just before the stream it's kind of weird because typically we don't want this to happen during a stream because overclocking streams are normally what we do but for this one that's basically what you're watching for okay so kevin schafer $10 gamer that loves overclocking have each of the past four gems of maximus formula boards after watching the breakdown of the 11 hero what would you suggest is best seen at 390 motherboard for overclocking and gaming yeah I mean the Maximus 11 hero it was not it was not super impressive it's been surprisingly okay but for the money it's really not worth it I think it's like 300 bucks or something builds or adjusted a breakdown of the gigabyte one of the high-end gigabyte boards on his channel and that one looks pretty good it's the gaming 7 or the gaming 9 equivalent they've rebranded their entire lineup but that one looks good and we have one in as well the extreme we just got in to work with and I haven't done anything with it yet so that board looks pretty good right now as rock tight cheese okay it's it's a little lackluster it's average I guess max with 11 heroes not great haven't worked with the high-end Maximus 11 Series boards yet and then the EVGA dark is also interesting to me but we haven't tested that yet either so the gigabytes the only the gigabyte extreme board is the only high-end one that I've actually got here so far other than the Maximus 11 and build Zoids worked with that one so we're getting some flickering on the screen and that's running let's see how long it runs the other one ran for a couple minutes let's just check on these so 40 degrees for the backside 42 ggr 648 for the other module 48 for the vrm so we're not in terrible shape for thermals right now okay so we got another chat from five dollars from Henry due for hanging around if you have any questions with my card yes thank you for sending yours in yours is definitely in this pile I used C I used the DP by itself and not in line with the others super happy to see how this ends up yes we are we have I mean I'm interested to see how it ends as well because the artifacting issues definitely exist we also know that they aren't supposed to be super widespread but they are pretty bad when they happen so we're curious to see what's causing it 61 degrees is the highest temperature on my thermocouples right now and that is for the vrm which is completely within spec spec is probably 125 okay so we got five dollars tech deals hey there if all else fails try turning it off and back on again I'm pretty sure it'll do that itself when it fails so we're covered on that troubleshooting technique the card seems to be pretty good at oh wow that's spectacular that was a good one I hope it looked like it was on screen enough let me let me catch up with I'm just checking the check the stream playback now to see when you all see the really colorful artifact we just saw okay so what driver are using we're using the newest one this also happens on the previous two drivers and it looks like we're still catching up I'm just watching the stream back to see what chat says when that artifact pops up I know I should screenshot it too because that was a different one that I've seen yeah yeah so there's there's what we've been dealing with but the answer the driver question it's the newest driver and also happened with the version before this one the driver did fix blue screen issues so to Nvidia's credit that is largely resolved I think there's still some blue screens from what those of you email me emailing me have said but the the main multi display issues have been partly or largely resolved got it just getting a screenshot of Thea the art of the great artifact okay let's tweet that one out it's that's up top beautiful okay and I'm gonna link to the live stream alright so there's a good artifact for ya what did chat say about this that artifact was something r-tx on someone says trippin rainbow tracing what the f f press f4 fireworks that's ray tracing neide I don't think that's supposed to be ray tracing lots lots of apps though alright so yeah there's there's your example someone said she's done ski referencing kingpin perfect is there any info from Nvidia on what is causing this no we do not have anything at present and some people are saying they're getting blue screens occasionally but not artifacting yeah so it looks a lot like memory artifacting which is why some of the theories have pointed that direction why don't you now same card we're just gonna launch that again except with some kind of monitoring applications in the background so we can take a look at if the core clock is behaving as expected I need to change this resolution so I can see it what I'm working with so oh yeah we're gonna run frequency monitoring applications and we can also I haven't actually done this yet on this card we can try down clock in the memory and stuff like that and see if it if the crashing subsides because I know that's been that's been something a lot of people have done to resolve some of their issues although it's not really a good resolution it's more of a workaround all right time spy extreme yes go okay and our temperatures are completely within reason once again so does not appear to be thermals on this card but of course could be something I don't have probes okay so we have tayo katsu ninja two dollars-three dislikes question mark I guess I don't know I guess they're people who are who are sad about the artifact in wishbone $2.00 Xbox is having a special event tomorrow Mexico City I was not aware of that I'll look into it and see what it is we don't really do too much with Xbox but it is hardware and the games often are interesting to test anyway rotten man five at Euro there's a rumor about the issue being the GPU chip itself too big tolerances may lead to a chip being too high and ending up crushed by the colors yes so I am also suspicious of the silicon because that's got memory controllers in it Wow clocks not great that's got memory controllers in it and those could also be faulty I think the big die has a total of 12 memory controllers they're 11 for for the 28 ETI so those could be defective it could be view it could be memory modules there'd be something completely unrelated but I would suspect things relating to memory in the die or the memory itself as the the primary suspect just based on what we're seeing so clocks are bit low but but not crazy like that 13 50 megahertz card we saw thermals are within reason more or less 71 degrees so that's okay so let's let's give this a chance to fail and I'm gonna keep an eye on the thermocouples this time hopefully while it fails which means it's gonna be hard for me to read chat while doing this so okay Andrew I guess try and get my attention if it flashes so I can check the thermals okay so we got $5.00 can you t pose for 10 seconds please you keep trying and and I respect your persistence but I'm not sure for what reason you need 80 powers and the 3d scan me or something just got a FedEx notification that they are picking up another one of these artifact in 2080 t is so we've got more coming in I don't know how long this one took it up to blow up last time but we're at 68 on I should they believe 68 on whatever this is this is the VR and the MOSFET 68 degrees completely within reason memory 63 memory number 260 and then backside of the GPU backside of the memory module how does memory module 64 Celsius completely within reason Celsius 23 Celsius 23 ambient 23 Celsius there you go ambient 22 degrees so I will let it go let it let it flicker and freak out again did that a second ago hopefully this time we can kind of catch some of the behavior I can look back at the stream at it later people saying too many rays and r-tx on and festive artifacts yes it was all all a big Christmas gifts by Nvidia by 30 X 20 atti and you get green and red flickering k3 k4 $2 32 cents very specific what's your favorite motherboard I don't really have a favorite motherboard I enjoy working with the X 299 dark a lot for overclocking I find it very easy to work with and it's probably not great for us as we've been learning tonight might not be great for stock usage because it is a bit harder to get everything running stock but I do enjoy it for overclocking usage because it's it's easy to work with also it's got four dims so that four dimm slots so makes a bit easier to overclock memory but you do lose half of your total capacity potential if you wanted to use it as an actual workstation motherboard so I think it for different reasons than you might in a production machine and then the maximum is 10 over here for the 8086 K that we're using has been pretty reliable for for our GPU benchmark so that's also been decent to work with ok it's not a not freaking out at this time so far I think it took a couple minutes last time so we'll let it keep going for a little bit also it's full screen last time I wonder if that might have something to do with it oh there it is thank you 70 degrees on the VRM 68 backside 68 GP or memory and 60 memory so even if they're plus 10 all those are within spec then we got a freeze not a not a an artefact this time oh did it so it artifact it for a couple frames Andrew says he cut out an artifact right there and okay yep so this is actually this is our TX on if you've been wondering what it looks like it's actually this is a review status only right now only reviewers have this mode so this is ray tracing if you close your eyes and think really hard you might you might see it you might live some of your life with ray tracing and when your life flashes before your eyes you can say that you've seen it so there you go there's an example of the problem again why is the RGB lighting on the efi card is disabled by nvidia because nvidia demands everything be green it did i talked about that when we reviewed it it's not green therefore it's bad and that's all there is to it they have an RGB LED in there they have an RGB controller they have RGB cabling but there's no RGB there's just G and that's because that's the company color I guess you see some cards ship out of the factory with red which is kind of amusing I don't know if we we can try this again so it seems to take about maybe three to five minutes to really mess up on this particular model this card well it's just let's drop the memory by like 100 megahertz and I don't know what kind of memory straps or Delta clocks we have for that because I only go up and frequency not down but we can give it a shot and let's run it fullscreen it seems like I don't know if there's any correlation there causation but it seemed to happen a bit more readily fullscreen so let's go ahead and run that that I do - won't know I did plus 100 that's the opposite of what I want I want - 100 not used to go in that direction for memory ok theoretically it is minus 100 so let's see if that has if that survives for longer than maybe 5 minutes will give it I'm not gonna sit here and let it run all night stability testing but we can at least see if there's any any ad hoc result there's a couple super chats and store orders things like that so for oh yes right I've rescaled the monitor okay let me let me go back up to 4k here so like I was saying earlier if you go to store documents access net you can pick up things like our mod mats if you want to get one before the holidays you should place an order now because this next trip we sell out of them pretty quickly the rounds we order these and rounds and this next round will be here in the first half of December so you've got some time but if you if you wait on it they might go out of stock again because we can only order so many at a time and this is going to be the last round we do and get in before end of year so if you want one of the mod mats soon you should place an order for this round you get a store that game as exits dotnet for that and now that we're at 4k let's run this again with a -100 memory under clock and then also just to note the foil shirt is on the store so the graph logo foil shirt squad foil it's got for foil colors on it and it's the one I'm wearing tonight so that shirt is up for a little bit longer store gamers Nexus dotnet if you wanna pick that up and then once this one's gone it'll probably be gone because it was pretty popular so we do not expect to have any leftovers on this one okay well let's see we're running - 100 megahertz now so we're probably not gonna see artifacting as soon if at all assuming the posts online are accurate in any way let's bring the camera zoom out a bit and I'll take some super chats - let me just keep that in the corner of the shot or something let me know if you see it freak out or something okay so we got a question from Draco night Walker $5 Australian what if it's heat in a case that's killing these cards well I mean we're seeing the same issues everyone else is seeing an open air test bench and thermals don't seem to be an issue and I don't have any direct airflow on the card when I'm testing these so I mean the Delta is like 10 degrees if you put it in a case and that's why I've been saying even with the 10 degree increase we're still within spec on this specific card I don't know if that's true for all of them I could be Heat that could be thermals but not on this one it doesn't seem like got one from Abe risks see bricks see one 99 review of the MSI Seahawk ekx 28 ET I ever no current plans we've worked with the Seahawks in the past the CLC models with the Corsair MSI combination and those have always been interesting so we'll probably try and look at one of those I don't have any plans to look at the ek model right now Jose pina $10 I got a free 2080 strix wow that's a very large amount of free I want 4k gaming should I sell this one at paya 20 atti or buy another 20 80 and go SSL I wouldn't recommend SLI we've tested it we have video on the channel if you want to see how a cell I did with multiple 2080 TI's I don't know if we did multiple 20 eighties but I mean it's it's the same idea we're in some games there's zero scallion some games it's 30 40 % so you feel kind of bad about your purchase at that point some of them at scale is incredibly well like snipe really for but I wouldn't recommend us lie so 2084 4k gaming is completely doable and so is the 1080 TI by the way it just kind of depends on your graphic settings on the type of game you're playing but you still definitely do 4k gaming with the 2080 trying to save you some money here the 2080 eye is gonna be a bit better yeah maybe 30% faster so but I don't know is the I don't know if that's really worth another couple hundred dollars JW Dickason $10 Steve antium I've sent a few Twitter messages in hopes of getting a beanie made because that lasts at least half of the year I can wear it so yeah we actually I came up with a mock-up design for those and we haven't started working on making them yet but we do have a design that I like and we just need to figure out how to finalize it and who's gonna make it so we've heard you I replied to you one of your messages or at least someone who wanted a beanie and we definitely heard the the request hidden shades $5.00 I'm sure it's the very loud for you kind of like the coverage hey this is this mess you don't need to make your message political when you're talking about video card failures so making the issue up here much worse than it is here's the thing issues very bad for the people who have it so for them it is a big deal because they spent $1,200 and a video card doesn't work so as far as does it affect the entire market of course the answer is no and the RMA rate is reportedly pretty low from what the retailers and manufacturers have said but it doesn't mean the issue doesn't exist and it doesn't mean the people who are affected will you know just roll over about it so we haven't had artifacting yet with the 100 megahertz memory down clock takes couple minutes typically so we're gonna give it a little longer and see maybe at the 8 9 10 minute mark something like that it is hotter now though so it's been running longer than previously which means our sustained temperatures are a bit higher we're at 72 degrees on the vrm let me see if I can rotate this safely okay it don't go into the fan all right it is rotated okay so which ones which here top number is going to this one and this one is going to the vrm okay big numbers the vrm r at 68 69 and the little number in the bottom left 72 degrees is the second one and that's going to the lowest memory module so this is what I've learned on these cards is that the memory module is closer to the PCIe slot seems to be the hottest that's not Sony to you but even if you're in a case you're in the eighties at that point maybe plus 10 see if it's a hot case and I mean after that but you're still within spec but this is 100 megahertz down clock it's just that it's been typically failing before it gets this hot which to me might indicate a power delivery issue as well so it could be memory stability it could be power delivery not really clear on that but it is not artifacting right now so we'll let it run a couple more minutes I'll take some more Super chats and then we'll we'll try and bring the memory clock back up and see if it artifacts yet again okay so take some super chats and then we can just leave that in the corner of the video so you got one from butthurt Beluga that's it's an interesting name you have there that face when watching GN at work also hi Steve hi don't get in trouble over watching our stream the hunters $5.00 there is an Nvidia forum thread calling out that the first batch of gdg are six memory was micron versus RMA's that works which came with a second batch from Samsung so hard R and phone I don't need hard you can open the cards and see it to address this again the memory supply normally comes from multiple vendors Nvidia added another vendor so this isn't it's like correlation is not equal to causation here they've added another supplier we have a dozen r-tx cards that are micron they don't have issue lots of people have micron memory RTX cards don't have issues so micron chips could have a problem but NVIDIA hasn't just cut the faucet for micron they're still using micron g gde are six it's just that samsung has been added because their memory came online so all that really does has increased the supply available to make more r-tx video cards and that's what they're doing here AMD did similar with HBM nvidia has done the same for gddr5 in the past so correlation is not equal to causation is what I would say to that one but it is possible that there could be an issue with some of the micron memory especially from the first batch we just don't know Kevin why is $5 thanks for the great content thank you for watching Brian show back $5 fellow iymp question mark did you ever see john's killer CS pcs do the first live stream outdoor overclock tomorrow with the 31 degree Fahrenheit temperatures tomorrow I am NOT I don't think I know who that is sounds like they have a lives from going on though okay so I mean yeah it hasn't crashed or anything it has an artifact at this time thermals are about 70 on the backside 73 for one of the memory modules 74 the VRM and we really have to let this run about 30 minutes to let it reach steady state but it's gonna be pretty close at this point we're not gonna hit a runaway thermal scenario right now so I would say it's plausible that and I'll need to do more testing an off stream for this but it's possible that down clock in the memory has helped here now one thing I've heard from those would be like commands oh and chat who are sending in cards is that you've had to continually down clock memory into oblivion because over time it seems to it seems that the artifacting follows you so I'm not gonna be able to test that on stream of course but for power consumption they crash just crash right when I was about to end the test this is gonna EV for that crash I guess power consumption is was not crazy it was under 400 watts for total system which the total system is drying a lot so well right when I was saying it might make it it made it farther made it further in the task for sure that doesn't mean anything it could have been a one-off incident but it appears that this is still unstable so not a perfect solution effing chat for that one I guess so it's a VRAM issue I mean it could be a vrm issue but again we can't really jump to conclusions like that it could be a VRAM power delivery for two for all I know it could be that the memory is running too fast for what it was built for or something all right current clamp we could but I've got I'm using a pretty high-end monitor for total system power right now so we've got a feed going in and out of it I didn't want to use a current clamp because I know I'm gonna be swapping cards so anyway this one clearly is is defective how this is a one you want in our batch will mark that as definitely defective and I'll do further testing on it what we should do is swap cards now and see if anything happens with let me see what the user reported for the gigabyte card because I have not tested that one yet gigabyte artifact Sina and down clocking helps according to the user who bought the gigabyte card we have here so let's try that one next is that would be the first non efi card i've seen with artifacting and that would be an important data point the rest are all efi that i've worked with that's so so high yes you know it's over 60 degrees if you can't touch it for more than like three seconds that's that's how you read the temperatures okay so we've got our thermocouples here these are going away with the card I'm not going to transplant them right now and we're gonna switch to gigabyte it next where is it here's our pile of cards or at least some of them anyway we have couple more out there do a driver clean and reinstall and it'll be ready to run this one I'll take some super chats while going through this okay display all right there we go so that's booting up okay so we got Brian Shevek got you angel flew to New Zealand five dollars thank you thanks to those that pre-ordered against the advice of GN and did the beta test now we can buy the revised ones have you visited New Zealand Steve yeah pre-ordering is definitely a beta test we generally for things like a $1,200 video card generally recommend not doing it but I have not visited New Zealand I've been the closest I've been which is still quite far as Taipei and I did at one year I looked to see how long is the flight from Taipei to New Zealand because I was like oh well it's I mean they're both on the other side of the world and turns out it's really long so I have not been but I do want to Cairo for some mountain biking Axios $2 thank you the 0 and X sounded like a hex prefix in C debug question mark yeah I don't know it might be it could be if it's like a 0 X for those artifacts it looks like an XD sometimes that is a good point though it could be a debug and might mean something a lookup table or something for the person who built it okay so I'm doing is cleaning and reinstalling drivers just for safety hearing it's wise to do different device IDs despite being the same model should always install clean drivers and we install them for every card swap even if it's the same model card next one Norwegian 50 from newbie this artifacting is kind of common in the mining community on 10 VT is at eleven thousand nine ninety-two to eleven thousand 999 effective ma'am o'clock low temperatures 60 C well I mean it's I don't know I don't know anything about that kind of workload I guess it's memory intensive but the question I would have is is that happening on the twenty series I guess that's what I would want to know clean and restart okay so vo sa 199 I own the 11 Hero 5.2 all of it erm gate fake news it's pretty objective the quality of the VR I'm on it I ran the if we're talking clocks I ran the 11 hero at 5.4 briefly on the 9900 K on 5.3 all so yes it does sustain the clocks pretty well this the the problem with it is more the pricing and the marketing because it was marketed as an eight phase-- which it is not and the price is very high but the board itself seems we pretty okay it's just that at the price we wouldn't necessarily recommend it it's it's a bit of a bit of a hike for what you're getting vrm wise all right so that's rebooting do driver install there got a store order so if you pick something up on the store tonight as always with our streams I'll try and chat you out no guarantees but I'll definitely try to shout out the things you buy where you're from stuff like that first name so we got one from Sam who actually sent us one of these video Chris Sam you know I am sending you something for free because he loaned us a card right you don't have to buy things but we appreciate it so Sam purchased one of the limited and oil graph logo shirts like this one here the cotton shirt so this is a completely custom made sure we we designed it ourselves it's got our fitment it has our foil request we had to get a different supplier for that and really well fitted shirt so I'm pretty happy with the the cotton is super comfortable for the material we chose so you can pick that up on the store until it runs out and then it's gone forever all right install driver so thank you Sam for picking one of those up much appreciated and I don't know let me see I don't have your card yet I do see that you emailed me earlier so I'll check that out to see see if you're sending your card in as well so we got John from the US Connecticut John picked up the anniversary edition mug thank you for picking that up the anniversary mug has been a pretty pretty steady one for popularity so that oh it's a it's a lazy susan Andrew I found something we can use for your product b-roll shots so rich pretty well actually so yeah anniversary 15-ounce ceramic mug on the store if you wanna pick that up on Stuart I gave his ex tonight and I'll try and shout you out from picking it up there in the stream thank you John for your order we appreciate it the purchase has always helped us with doing live streams because there are a lot of extra work that we don't typically do because I still have to upload videos for the day in addition to live streaming in addition to filmy but yes so it absolutely helps to buy stuff on the store when we're streaming to help us keep going alright so we're gonna do another install driver install and this one's a gigabyte card I haven't tested this one I haven't confirmed if it artifacts but the user says it does and in their system they were able to improve the artifacting whereas my g1 as this one they were able to improve the artifacting by down clock in the memory and I believe by offsetting the power I don't know if one of the users offset their power negative as well in that health which is a workaround not effects but interesting to know okay so inside iris let me check on a chat now it's not even super chat just what someone says he found it used for the bricked twenty atti yes that is that is what we definitely did that's an expensive coffee cup heater yes $1,200 $1,200 heater for your coffee cup runs up to about 70 degrees Celsius not available on our store we're not reselling these that's why we wanted off them all on loan from you all so you can turn them into heaters winter is coming after all okay feels like the r-tx series for now is like a hardware loot box no softer to test no real temperature is due to not fully used and now randomly breaks the temperature things interesting because once RDX is implemented I am curious to see what is the power and thermal impact from we're gonna disable g-sync just in case that's let's say cause I can't see anything on this resolution so yeah I'm curious to see with the RT cords in use how will that impact power and thermals against the standard card as it is tested today okay drivers installed you're gonna restart one more time just make sure they stick at least it works as a coaster how will the foil hold with washes so we've got notes we also ship it with a card with notes on how it holds as it washes so we've got that one the previous foil shirt came out a couple months ago sold out really fast and it was highly popular hence making the new one so that one I've got several of them that I've worn I don't know there's one I've probably worn like 30 times it's holding up just fine so what we do is we recommend low spin cold wash hand wash is best if you feel like it I definitely recommend hand washing but if you want to throw it into just a laundry bag and run it cold at low spin and then ideally hang to dry it's the heat that hurts foil so if you hang the dry it's fine if you have to use a dryer low tombola low heat is the best way to do it but definitely by hand is it's the best if you don't feel like it we understand there are notes on the store on how to best take care of the the foil and this one is interesting because it's got the it's like way bigger sections of foil instead of the smaller ones of the anniv design shirt so it holds up holds up even better to wash and dry and just make sure you do follow the instructions as closely as you can pretty easy though and that's generally you should flip inside out for any shirt with a design on it anyway foil or not that's those are just the best instructions for taking care of shirts with designs on them ok so we're going to start with let's start with fur mark just keep the same order as we did last time for the card that was failing a second ago and I just said to the furry donut test and we're just gonna keep an eye on this so we've got the gigabyte card in there now and I have not tested this one as I said so I don't know when or if it will artifact for us so this will allow you to see if he the genuine spurious behavior of the r-tx series in that some of them seem the artifact and some seem to just have really unpredictable behavior so we're gonna let that go for a little bit the last time it took maybe two or three minutes something like that to blow up that was a different card though just for note Christopher Wyatt's would you a limited edition foil shirt thank you very much for purchasing one of those I need to go back to super chats to super chats so we're gonna where I keep an eye on that get one from Doctor Who 8 6 7-5 3 or 9 I remembered it this time $2 GN teddy bear and GN pajamas when why why is that so popular PS great work thank you no current plans d TR CS $2 RT x DX on and then blank off and I think that was in response for the X DS we saw with the artifact teen name I can't read as it is typed in another language $4.99 the coil wines of 2080 tion fur mark it's crazy there's a bit of coil wine on some of these cards but I don't hear any on this one right now but I haven't heard anything completely insane yet I've also not used them for prolonged periods at times other than when when doing thermal testing so kind of limited limited endurance testing of these cards Axios had one where'd it go xes get a stack trace when you crash that it's software I can work with you on that later perhaps James's case $100 Wow thank you James keep up the great work we will definitely keep testing David Joshy $5.00 have the EVGA cards exhibited artefacts - actually I have - EVGA cards I've worked on one of them had a modem failure we're not going to talk about yet because we need to validate a few things but one had a unique mode of failure we haven't seen anywhere else and one of them and EVGA is taking care of the customer with that card and the other one was was it oh there were three actually one was locked to 1350 megahertz and we did a video on that and then one was BSO DS BS hoodies are solved I think that might be yours actually BSO DS were solved by by the driver for the most part and then 1350 we might have a solution for that one now I've been talking with EVGA so we might have a solution on that one and the other one that the third mode of failure that we're not talking about yet there is no solution forever but we'll talk about that perhaps later after it's been diagnosed further so no the answer is no no artifacting yet on the EGA cards the clock froze freeze was was the worst one we've shown thus far and that's not artifact it's a different different issue okay $5 it's a lazy meme now what you do is appreciated by the community thanks for the information and content you provide us all thanks thanks for the interest it looks like we froze thank you Andrew so what was our maximum power for this one for 45 watt total system power which is about where they tend to sit so that's actually not unreasonable application crash and it's trying to recover mouse is frozen now so that's a gigabyte card black screens just killing the application in the background probably and see if it recovers I'm not gonna I'm gonna leave it alone see if it comes back on its own so that is the wind force this is a reference PCB as well this is basically for all intents and purposes all of these cars are Nvidia cards these cards PGA s reference PCBs and video GPU obviously Nvidia cells in the memory its micron reference PCB obviously reference PCB the gigabyte card in there now that just crash reference PCB that can be software though there's no guarantee that the one we just saw is a hardware level defect didn't see any visual artifacting just a crash which does not occur I'll note on our 12 or so our TX cards that we have for review samples none of those do that they all made it through 30 minute long fur mark torture tests so it's unique behavior to the ones that were sent in by users who have Hooper just unfortunately defective cards although that again that could be software but or drivers any driver may be so if fire strikes not wanting to launch last time this happened I had to restart somebody have to restart again just put that that back there okay we're gonna have to restart it is not and I don't have a start menu again that's nice okay and I can't right-click exact same behavior as last time right-click it and it dies okay restart all right we got a couple store orders to read off thank you as I said if you go to store documents access dotnet during the stream I'll try to shout your purchase out where you're from and we very much appreciate it helps us do these streams because they are different types of setup involved anthony from washington purchased a Ragland hoodie thank you good timing on that with the the cooler weather coming up if you want a lightweight hoodie for when to actually we've got thicker ones for winter coming out or already out on the store too if you want either of those there on the store though and then we got one from Chris in Oregon who purchased a limited edition foil graph logo shirts thank you Chris okay it's our back up crashed on fur mark let's do x by now so we validated one card was not producing immediate issues we might switch back to that one later one card was had very severe artifact in and then this one we're still it's TBD what's going on let's run that and I'm gonna do more diagnostics off stream but I just wanted to walk through the basics of validating the failures on all of them with you all so you can see what's going on super chats neo snake gaming two dollars the artifact reminds me of a bad DDR overclock yes it's it's very similar to a bad GG dr overclock as well like too high or you miss the memory strap Irish giant two dollars what cpu are using it is not the 1780 xee that one is is in the other room hopefully we can rerun it through tests because we need to get a machine back up and running for a rip J revisit soon probably work on that next week maybe all right so it's running god this is an eighty eighty sixty K though to answer the question zdg five dollars or r-tx rainbow texture FX on yeah it was very very rainbowed earlier a tweet of that one out if you want to if you missed it if you join the stream and you missed it you can go to twitter.com slash gamers Nexus you don't need an account I don't think and you can see the image I tweeted earlier of some artifacting on I think was this card back here where this one is still warm by the way this one was was rainbow in a bit so had some visual artifacts looked like memory artifacting tweeted out an example of that if you want to see it and it's festive artifacts people are saying about that one it just works yes yes it does hey Steve it's Bobby have you gotten to my card yet let me see which one yours is not sure I will have to look I'll have to look through my list of people who've sent them in assuming you are also named if you're Robert then I might have let's see which one is that f1 where's the f1 f1 is out here somewhere oh there it is f1 might be the first if you are Robert and you purchased a founders edition card then we worked on this one earlier so on stream at the beginning of the stream I was having difficulty reproducing artifacting in any quick capacity got impatient switched it in the lab we have reproduced artifacting issues and actually the biggest issue was artifacting during a driver install an inability to install drivers so that was the bigger issue with this one-offs revisited but it was not not spitting out horrible errors today and if you're not Robert then I have a lot of other cards so I need to look through the list okay so that's still running a crap it froze with fur mark earlier we're just gonna see if it survives a bit longer and times by it seems to seems to die right when I want to give up on it but this is a gigabyte card so it's it's a bit out of the norm for what we're seeing since most of our founders Edition got a super chat from open $92 windows flash is a few times before booting I'm not sure I didn't if it does I didn't catch it or you asked or are you saying yours does that message unclear it could be a display port cable issue if it's yours or if it's ours for that matter I roll ones $5 hey hey Steve I love the work what's your dream PC current gen or what would you like to come out sometime in the future I mean I I'm looking forward to benchmarks in the 99 80 XE because I I guess at this point my idea of a dream PC is a system on like on this bench platform over here with a 540 millimeter radiator on it and the crazy liquid setup and then putting the radiators in a nice bucket that's kind of my version of a dream PC right now so 99 80 actually once that comes out will be a lot of fun for that okay so we're still waiting for a failure on this particular card and we got a couple super chats actually let me check on normal chat for a bit - so what's what's chat say Indiana Jones artifact found four point five gigahertz on 2700 X is easy but don't put any workload on it close up okay yeah I mean four point five isn't easy if you put it under work workloads of any kind you are still out of three is Adam Schumann five dollars still out of three XT logo shirts and try one if we don't we might have some in cotton and we definitely have actually we have a lot of 3x left most of our stock left on this shirt is 3x so if you really want 3x we definitely have 3x of this one and some 4x of this one and then if we don't have 3x on the tri-blend t logo I'll take a look and see if we can place them for our next order we do try to get most the sizes so this one is extra small to 4x sometimes we'd go up to 5x on some of the other ones is this Linus tech tips no it's over there I think they're probably streaming right now to build a ghetto Linus chiller we actually so we did our own version of a chiller and it was an ice bucket like an 80 quart cooler filled with ice water and radiators so that was our version of it how's he gone he done cool thanks yeah all right so we have a this one seems to be working better than the previous one so this particular card is is not exhibiting the same type of artifacting failure as the others in the sort of few minutes we're testing them here today now once I put it under an overnight workload or an hour long workload that might change but it is looking better than the previous cards power draw is reasonable as well it's it has not passed the previous peak of 445 watts so it looks okay it frozen fur mark but no artifact needs to be found yet let's switch cards this is the gigabyte one and like I said there could definitely be problems with this the user certainly had problems with it but we'll have to test it further offline let's do we tested this one do you want I don't know if I've tested that one can you give it a shot though that backplate again very hot but that means it's doing its job you want the backplate to be hot because if it's not then that means there's no contact between the backplate and the the components on the back of the PCB so let's try one I can't see from this side all right actually we don't even need that I just need some PCIe cables this one I'm like I said I'm not sure if I've tested this one but I probably have notes on what the error was for the owner okay and we're just gonna see if we can produce a similar artifacting on these so if nothing else you get to see a representation of what your peers in the gaming community are running into with their various cards that's all connected good to go okay I need to catch up ahaha I see she's someone correcting people and minuses name saying it's Canadian ruin Weiser Linus a couple store orders thank you so we got one from Kevin in South Carolina actually not too far who purchased one of the blue and whites mouse pads that we have which I don't have one next to me here but we have so we do have some how we got that black and blue ones made and coming in or actually in the process of being made I should say but thank you Kevin for picking up one of those on the store we appreciate it of course and that cards booted so I need to do ad D you again and install drivers and see if this one produces artifacts like the e one you want is the worst one we've had so far so and I've been in contact with all the owners about their cards so if you have one sent in to me and I'm working out tonight you probably don't know which which letter like what I've labeled it but I'll let you know what we find as we find stuff on the cards and then you'll probably be RMA and some of these I would imagine what I'm curious about is how the RMA process is going for people okay now twenty atti cards won't have problems with multi-monitor setups what about the dead cards and those stuck at 1300 so the one stuck at 1350 dead cards we don't know you probably saw RMA those at least that's what I'm hearing so it's artifact you know if it's genuinely dead then probably have the army I know Sam who might be in chat still had an issue where his was just continually degrading at the heap down clock in the memory to a point where it's just not useful and usable anymore so that's one where it'll have to be are made probably and we'll see if we can reproduce that issue as for the 39 or megahertz card from everyone I've spoken to who works at these companies no one else has been able to reproduce that issue and not solve it with the BIOS flash I think we might have a fix for that one I got a new v bios in I need to validate a bit more but it does look like it's been solved with a new especially I like it not special but just a new release B BIOS I'm not sure if anything changed in there or if just rewriting it with a different BIOS than the previous version may be helped I don't know unscrew the power I think it was a power delivery like measurement issue like the hardware monitor on the power circuitry might be miss reading how much power is going into its with down clocking don't know that's our hypothesis on it but we'll see I card might be fixed I don't know okay who did I stop on previously oh yeah we got Kevin's order I've got another order in from Adam Thank You Adam from Alabama purchased a foil logo shirt as well thank you for grabbing one of those like I said we're very happy with these shirts they are super comfortable a couple other super chats I'm trying to figure out where I left off so we got one problem I'm just gonna go with fit towels for your name because that's what your avatar says are you be 400 thank you did you try to pull V BIOS from problematic cards and compare md5 with known good images from archives like techpowerup unlikely but possible that is something that I'm doing and collecting v bios from all the cards I haven't looked at them yet but we have them we have serial numbers we have V BIOS I'm starting to collect serial numbers on the memory modules and some of the ICS so between all that stuff we've definitely got it stored it's just a matter of figuring out what to do with it that's always the hard part with a lot of data it burns when Internet Protocol it burns when IVs $10 thank you says I have noticed that my 20 atti has to have under clocks on the core or it crashes of various errors usually bad pool collar in most games and dry rough they didn't work but memory clock doesn't change it very interesting so I haven't messed with underclocking the core yet but I will keep that in mind if memory under clocks don't fix or work around issues on some of these cards that we have but good to know thank you also unfortunate that you're dealing with it probably go through the RMA process if it persists synergize are $5 are there's our TX cards powered by 8080 XE no powered by an 80 86 K so you've been hoisted on your own petard for that one haha we will be working with Sony 90 DX e again soon enough installing gyros on d1 one of the EFI version 28 et eyes JW Dickason $10 you did respond to one of my tweets about a beanie but in modern day internet I don't know if you were trolling me to hear from you directly reassures me that one might be permissible soon yes generally if we're talking about potentially making a product we're serious about it so now I don't think it'll be soon but it like it takes a while to design get samples and then make the product but we will make them okay Trevor install for another efi card see how this one does let me check the normal chat for a little bit still rocking a 6700 K and I can upgrade for a while yet yes 6700 K is perfectly fine we still have it in one of our test benches not for GPUs but we have it how do we know G n did not break these video cards I don't know what I go like spend $10,000 on cards and then intentionally break them does that seem like a realistic realistic scenario to you I got emails from all the people who sent them in their addresses their serial numbers their own photos and screenshots of all the problems they've experienced their total debug history of working on it so I don't know I don't want to tell you I can certainly tell you I didn't spend like multiple thousands of dollars on cards that I then intentionally broke at while also posting all over the internet under different aliases for a month straight in different languages that's that's how good I am set a big ruse first I learned how to speak 10 different languages then I spent twenty thousand dollars on video cards broke them and then I did the impossible and endured reddit long enough to make multiple accounts with upvote histories and then post all my dead card that's what I did All Right see ya thank you okay so wonderful plant hatton Steve yes I can't with it just now thank you okay so drivers been reinstalled and my screen and blanked out here for a second okay so driver for this is good to go hashtag ripped their Bower their Bower is not going to be ripped by our overclock you nine times ahead okay uh fur mark I guess do it in the same order so you got a couple cards left here but we've tested most of them we read donut test for K run stress test alright see if it artefacts give it a bit of a couple minutes Steve can you walk on liquid metal surface tensions pretty high on liquid metal let's see John's two pens 505 GBP thank you my MSI 2080 trio appears to be voltage at limited power hits 85% I set curve to Rana 1.09 three volts to get max 2,000 megahertz stable is it bad silicon oh nice thank you okay I need to make a note d1 is very bad okay I can note on d1 now I already had a note and it's a very bad artifacts even with new driver which is what I was about to type so this is a card that came in from a user in Kentucky and there's only one of those so if you're watching you know who you are I'll follow up with you as we look at this one further but if you're watching we did manage to reproduce the issue you described an email I like the no it's gone it's gonna say I like the lightning strike just like in the thumbnail for this live stream and it's gone give it a minute see if it comes back it's trying couple tweets from people saying they're seeing this happened on their 2080s now just to just as a reminder no guarantee this is a widespread issue but it is an issue and it does exist so if you're your skeptic all that high score GN xdxdxdxd in chat yes I suppose instead of F so you can now submit X DS because that's what we got lots of X DS that card is bad I would I would say so Steve are all these at stock speed or are they power target increases these are stock I installed the drivers after I put the card in and I and a test and we've been doing that with time spy as well which is a gaming des this is gone so this is not coming back and the cards not even hot so I unless there's poor contact between a component that we can't measure without putting thermocouples on it I question whether it's a thermal issue just if you missed it earlier we had this card in a bit ago it's got thermocouples everywhere it has some memory modules got them on vrm components has on the back the PCB that's what all those wires are and nothing indicated a thermal issue on this card now I didn't probe every single component so I could have missed one that is getting hot but we presently have no data to support that it is an overheating issue on these cards which is what it was largely postulated earlier in the week time spy I guess see if we can reproduce the issue in a realistic workload is it a normal bios yes we have not made any changes to V bios and we've verified that they're on the stock v bios except for one that we flashed with an update that was shown in a previous video okay time to spy extreme let it go looks more like a skull with bones under yeah I was thinking skull crossbones XD okay something like that an old character dunno that one's gonna need five or six remakes yes we will down clock as people are asking about that we'll do that this is a good candidate to down clock on cuz it failed so fast okay a couple store orders thank you as I said those help us do the live streams because these are a lot of extra setup that we don't normally do and I still have to film two videos today and stuff to do more after this so very helpful for the store documents access not net purchases during the stream Joseph from Florida picked up a limited edition grass oil shirt Thank You Joseph and Gustavo Gustavo from Florida also picked up a limited oil shirt so if you see each other then you know you bought it during the same stream so no failures yet enticed by extreme it's only been going for like 30 seconds we'll give it a bit longer artifact thing should be pretty apparent in this one if it happens another store order just came in I'll read out Andre from Michigan picked up a limited oil shirt as well thank you Andre so let me see how is the stock on those doing and then I need to also read some super chats a normal chat all that stuff Dan that's like 10k and video cards on the table yes but most of them don't work they they have no inherent value that they need to be are made by the owners once we're done working with them and we very much appreciate those of you who have sent them in on loan so we can I just seen that this is a problem that exists helps a lot because up until I could see it personally you see a lot of reddit posts and kind of question like okay did that user do something wrong is it their fault and it's not so that was helpful to get the cards to just kind of validate that point you never know with internet internet posts and issues so what's stock looking like we have zero large left on this shirt so large is gone we've got a couple medium we have a couple small couple X extra small we those are extra small is very unpopular but they do sell through it's a couple extra small small medium we have one XL left of the foil graph logo shirt so there's one excel on stored I gave Miss Texas dot net 0 to X and then we've got the most three X and actually couple four X as well so those sizes are still in stock we actually we have a little a lot more 3x no artifacts yet artifacts are pretty bad and infirm arc which might indicate power delivery but we really don't know without looking more closely at it was our power consumption at we are at total system draw 340 watts which is not that high but not abnormal 4 times by extreme that's total system draw that's not just the GPU and then we've got a couple super chats I'll take oh yes the question about the twenty eighty trio being voltage limited in power hits eighty five percent so if you're saying that you have it set to stock a hundred percent and it's stuck at eighty five percent that sounds like there's a problem with the card try ddu the driver and reinstall four is just in case something simple like that and if you're setting a curve to run it ho a nice I think this happened last time I was reading your question man that's a really good one I need to go to the stream and try and screenshot it when it comes through okay so no there's we get some XD's in chat maybe are those X DS again yes same symbol is the G on discord patreon only yes it is what sizes do you have for Dragons unfortunately don't have any dragon shirts right now it's as if it's in high demand we can look into it I'm just getting a screenshot from the livestream so I can tweet that one out so what card is this this is card d1 card d1 very bad artifact in time spy extreme and firm art okay and I'll tweet out the link to the live stream too and then get back to the chats so if you have a comment about what just happened there posted in chat and by the time I look at it it should be scrolling through a live stream for artifact in here let's look at chat screen still black by the way this card seems to do that after it after it artifacts it seems to go black so I think what I need to do is probably put thermocouples on that one just to validate that one I still say it's it's the original Space Invader it does look like space invaders you are right two different apps same artifacting symptom isn't that Wheeling itself not necessarily not if it's the same problem GN is discriminating against dragons hey man send your dragon measurements in and we'll look into making clothes for it or for you if you are a dragon sorry arty XD on press d for artifact in pirate skulls maybe yes that is one of the things we're discussing as a possibility came here for artifact was not disappointed unless you were looking for literal artifacts in which case you'd be very disappointed looks like space invaders are these not just a small percentage of models that are bad in every launch so yes that is a point I've been trying to make over and over tonight and I saw another question about the 1350 card I'll try and remember but to the point of is a small percentage of models the answer is yes as far as we are aware this isn't like a widespread issue I have I'll say it again about a dozen r-tx cards between twenty seven twenty eight to twenty eighty I none of them have done this so we have no present in-house models that did this all of them are on loan and I had to solicit them and ask online for people to send them in so I would say we still have a lot of them here I'm impressed by the amount we were able to get is it a widespread issue the answer is probably no but we don't have a way to confirm that and as for what's causing the issue or does it happen on every launch the answer is we don't know what's causing it yet we're looking at them does it happen on every launch every launch has bad cards but this specific failure is either not something that's happened typically or at this I want to say large of a scale but it might not even be a scale thing in terms of numbers sold it might just be that it's a scale thing in terms of money spent twelve hundred dollars you're probably more likely to complain if it doesn't work so especially if the RMA is is somehow not satisfactory for you so it could be a bit of sample bias here and that's why we're not saying this is like the widespread issue was fixed that was the BSO DS multi monitor g-sync high refresh those are all BSOD issues all cards effect this it does not appear to be a widespread issue so just try and temper your expectations there but you know I think people would be rightfully upset if it's $1,200 doesn't work and they can't get a return quickly but from what I've heard the returns are going fairly well if that's not true for you let me know and I'll look into it so still black screen power draw is that 170 watts right now a total system which is actually very high that would indicate that it's still doing things so just reset it that's card d1 that one seems very unhappy Oh the 13 50 megahertz cards don't asked if I looked at the shunts and the 1350 card appears to be I mean I I can't see any physical hardware defects on it but we do have a potential fix for it it's probably be bios related so I'll talk more about that later once I confirm it okay let's do this let's let this run one more time at least with a an under clock of some kind just to see if that helps do you know how long it took to freak out a couple minutes maybe fer mark was faster so let's do fir mark just cuz it freaks out faster than x pi and I'm gonna run in 8:40 2160 okay mm-hmm so let's do minus 100 on the memory this one died almost instantly last time and then I'll try a down clock on the core as well so we'll just watch that for a second and see if it freaks out just like last time with down clock the memory which is what some people have said helps and the owner of this card also said artifacting so it looks like our findings are aligning with theirs so yeah this one doesn't take too long if it is gonna if it is gonna freak out did he answer my question about why a failing GPS shows XD X Oh and xD we actually don't know I I don't know if it's like a hex debug go don't know if it's skull and crossbones I don't know what it means no character but it happens on all of them so it's it's cool I guess at least you can recognize it okay so they're hiss okay so once again freaking out with this time fir mark and uh 100 megahertz memory under clock so I we can try a bigger under clock or a core under clock next that would probably be the next thing to look at yeah that's down clock in the memory we'll also down clock the IMC yes that is well I mean it down clocks the memory controller on the GPS not quality it's quantity okay what exactly are you doing right now we have a stack of video cards that our viewers sent in on loan and they noted that they are defective in some way and so the the concern was largely either bsod is which have been mostly fixed with a driver update or it is related to artifact in which you just saw and the artifact in zone one we're looking into is we're trying to figure out how many of these do the artifact see and I've already looked at a bunch of others we have a bunch of that I'm we got more coming in from viewers and readers and so we're in the the reproduction process of trying to figure out if these issues are something we can find on the cards that others have seen and once we validate that the issue exists on the card on our hardware we've tried on multiple platforms now the next step is to try and figure out if there's a common thread between them so without like a 3d x-ray scanner we can't root cause down to silicon but we can at least see I don't know is there a common thermal problem and what's realistically going to happen is we're more likely to rule out things that aren't the case then find the exact case so thermals were largely stated as the problem online and it seems that that may not be true because we've run cards with no heatsink except for on the GPU then the memory goes out a hundred degrees and it didn't artifact so that's a one-off but the point is that anecdotal one officer is that it's not some switch that flips and that card was never exceeding with the cooler on it I think 80 or something like that so that's what we're looking at though now the next step is to do another under clock on the core or the memory or something like that this artifacting typically software hardware so typically if you're overclocking is the best example because if you're overclock and you might push the memory too high and you'll see artifacting so that would be kind of hardware that's been driven too hard now we want fir mark just cuz it fails faster fails enticed by extreme too but takes a little longer okay so let's go with that and we're gonna let's just stick with the memory theme for now how far down can I drag this slider - a thousand okay let's maybe not go that hard see - 400 next thing will be the core and then power it's kind of amusing we don't normally do tests of can we get the hardware stable we do how unstable can we make it while still getting a score I need to tweet this this image out it's pretty good - Nick Nick light from Linus tech tips tweeted activate windows got them referring to with their own comments if you are wondering why we're running not activated on their system I would refer you to their video because the answer is these test systems get blown away all the time so they don't live very long someone said referring to refer to the XD artifact and they said that looks like some hotel wallpaper it actually kind of does couple store orders thank you I need two super chats next well we get the store orders first so Gary from Washington purchased one of the shirts up we got a failure okay that's minus 400 on the memory seems to be about the same time for failure power draw still quite high so it's still processing did not exceed our previous peak so power draw is not crazy here and their artifacts follow the mouse if you care when you move it around did you never do the dry-ice overclocking stream no but we have a plan for that we're just kind of waiting on something so way down some hardware maybe next week ok no it's not wallpaper it's space invaders yes it's actually an easter egg are we there yet we are we just just got there again so I don't know I guess - thousand see if it does it again and if not we enjoy - on the core that's the same test it's a same exact test just drag that all the way down if it'll even run like that run tests okay so the cat was - hey we had Gary from Washington but just something from the store thank you Gary that helps sustain our live streams as I said extra effort to do these so we very much appreciate the direct support darshan or darshan from Ontario picked up one of our anniversary mugs thank you for picking that up oh and also a cobalt blue tear down logo the pint glass so we've got those beer glasses as well and they have been consistently popular a couple more store orders to read before super chats and I'll keep an eye on that fur mark run where - that's - a thousand offset on the memory right now we're just trying to see that improved stability - 500 did not - 100 not marks on from Texas picked up a GM keychain thank you much appreciated Erin from Washington also purchased one of the foil logo shirts the graph shirt the remaining few we have Matthew from Portland picked up a shirt as well oh not a not a faux one though because it's large and we're out of large it was the anniversary edition teal logo the non foil the the tried and true teal logo shirt okay so we're still waiting on a failure for this one we got interrupted twice on this super child we try it one more time maybe it'll trigger a failure the MSI trio I think all I have to do is read John tu penses super chat and it'll cause these fail so invalid testing same super chat killing all cards it's all your fault I keep trying to answer your question about the twenty eighty I'll get it eventually I mean I don't know how clearly is just gonna black screen again I'm gonna leave it alone for a minute and see if it comes back it seems to be gone once it artifacts though this particular card so that one's pretty bad that was a minus thousand on the memory so not conclusive not like extremely hard to test in but kind of ad hoc testing for tonight on stream I need to look into is it overclocked no it's massively under clock it's probably worse than a 1080i right now maybe not that bad but it's getting there I need time to clock the core next and maybe drop power okay while that's black screen let me answer a couple Super chats because the Super chats apparently trigger failures you ought to make it fail you send one in apparently so John's two pence once and for all five toddlers Thank You Miami side twenty eighty trio appears to be voltage limited power hits eighty-five percent set the curve drawn 1.0 a 93 2000 megahertz stable is it bad silicon if you have to set a curve specifically to run over 85% there's a problem maybe drivers if it runs out a hundred percent under normal testing make sure not CPU limited it could be that your CPU bottlenecked in which case your GPU might not be pulling full power because it might be limited elsewhere so look into that potential variable and then drive a refresh 2000 megahertz is basically an overclock so is it bad at 2000 megahertz not particularly some we've pushed cards higher we've had cards that don't do as well it just depends but I would say it check for a CPU limitation if you're running at 85% because that's not normal of a suit of a $5 no message thank you Michael Michael Morris $5 went from water to air on an EVGA 980 but don't have the middle plates that had the throne pads will this kill my GPU ban find the last two months water to air water to air oh because I guess you converted it and you can read it back and you're missing parts on a 980 don't have the middle plates that have the thermal pads if by middle plate you mean the the base plate the one that sits between the PCB and the cooler you should have that will it kill the card I guess I'd have to see the card the problem is that if there's no you just have to run your fans at a higher speed because like the memory and the VR I'm can run within spec without direct contact : with just air but it's got to be a lot of air and you're pushing it through a fin stack that's hot from the GPU and pass a bunch of heat pipes so you need a high CFM to push through all that stuff in the way and get to the parts so ideally you have the plate the base plate let's restart this J $10 I just got an RMA 28 e TI FTW 3 as soon as I installed x1 it killed it 3 power lights old card is back in it now fun stuff yeah I don't know I don't even know I I kind of doubt that it was the software that killed hardware but I don't know there's a lot of different problems with these cards as is normal and that means that there's not a consistent problem that's probably a good thing these are the consistent problem it's artifacting ok so we did a - thousand offset on the memory let's try not touching the memory this time and let's do a core under clock and then maybe after that a power under under power configuration and - 250 core I'm gonna leave this open this time just to confirm if it's working and after all of this we might be able to kind of get some ideas if it's a power delivery issue if the if under powering it fixes some of the artifacts in but we're not under power right now it is down clocked so typically in Farmer Mark does not enumerate the clock the same way so it runs lower frequencies and that's because it's a burn on the prm's this typically runs at about 1500 1600 megahertz infer mark we're off minus 250 so it is applying correctly the under clock is working we're gonna let it run it tends to fail within a couple minutes if it is going to fail and we're just trying to diagnose why these cards are or well maybe not why exactly they're failing but figure out what can bypass the failing and and then think from there if that if there's any obvious solution from that point new be 50 and okay I can test my 28 ET i if it if it only arrives pre-ordered the EVGA in September still not arrived but that's a revision 2 to 5 it's on oh you're talking about mining maybe it's on ETH and the memory intensive this is referencing the previous question or note from Newby so yeah let us know what you find on your 28 ET i so one earlier was asking about how mining might be might produce artifact and if it does or if it produces other memory errors and i don't know but if you do that kind of thing let us know the official ash 88 $10 thank you hi Steve I've been over talking my 20 atti but I've encountered a blue screen of death this happened after going over an 800 offset of the memory have you encountered BSO DS do to overclock memory yes definitely I've encountered bsod is due to any kind of overclock if you push too high it'll potentially BSOD me solvent stream previously need to find Delta clocks so try try this even though 800 is failing you try 980 see if that's stable because 980 seems to be like a memory strap or something and there should be consistent on all cars it doesn't mean it will work but you might find that sometimes a higher clock is more stable than a lower clock or a lower clock might produce better performance than a higher clock depend where it is on a sliding scale ich Winstar beats two dollars ten cents retrospective content bit on the viewer sensitive views yes we definitely want to do it we have a video coming up that's already filmed talking out all those parts so a great idea we've already we're already on it and right now if you're just tuning in or trying to see if this card has been failing consistently with artifacting flickering black screens so we're trying to see if we underclock the core will it happen again under clock in the memory did not seem to have an effect but maybe the core will able Lincoln good to have you here since $7 they adjusted the $5 note for inflation I guess send Linus money soon on the LAN show and keep 2 for tacos I see now now I understand I really have lineups alone this week i harassed him two weeks ago and threw him off his game when you're eating the super chats sir man wants everyone $10 thank you could you do an OSI tutorial on the 2700 X to get the same OSI leichter Bauer when he got 4.5 boost I asked you to me to get the same overclocked Esther Bowers asking a lot but on some cores and 4.25 all core somehow I'm not able to get it working I'm not alone yeah he's Silicon lottery matters a lot motherboard vrm quality matters a lot cooler matters a lot so the colder you can get the core the more you can push the voltage and then you might use some fans on the vrm to depend on how good that heatsink is so I would say push for a better cooler on the core make sure the VR arms aren't overheating and and try from there be be cautious with how high you push voltage though okay 4.25 I'm just doing a control I have to find where wise because super chat scroll that 425 okay hasn't failed yet so maybe there's something to this core under clock on this particular model how long does it take to crash the time spy this card crashed and maybe three minutes and time spy something like that somewhere between two and five it's a little faster than four marks reason for mark just for purposes of being in a stream but time spiked extreme does cause a failure and times by is a very good gaming benchmarks Tandon same type of workload CPU barely doesn't anything GP does a lot people ask how is this count problem the answer is we are not clear but I mean I can't validate this but everything I've been told and would trust thus far is that there is no failure rate above what is normally seen it's just that this type of failure seems to be like they're all the same type of failure and it's it's a very loud failure because it's a $1,200 card so failure rate is something like under 0.1% for some board partners under 0.01% for others and part of that a sample of bias because if you're under point out 1% you might look at the cards they haven't go oh they actually they haven't sold many and all of them are custom PCBs or something like that so that can affect the data we're looking at we don't know Nvidia's RMA rate they've told us it's not a broad issue they haven't seen a lot of them we really have to just take them at their word for that because I have no way to cross validate it and I don't I haven't had any sources inside telling me otherwise and then Roman dev our works that case can he did a video talking about how there was like 1.5% RMA it was pretty normal as well so this is a common problem probably not but it's common enough that you're hearing about it online and it's an expensive card it sucks to be left out in the cold with one of these especially because it is so hot so we wanted to test it and see if we could reproduce the issue and see it for ourselves and just on cue there it is well look at that it's like a that making cool tattoo is like a skyline so nice so that's what's happening on song that's at - 250 core I don't know if it lasted longer than previously or not I'd have to go back and look but and by the way this is a bug so if you're worried that the fans aren't spending they actually are but it's misreporting and this software so that did not survive just to prove a quick point though so sensors fan speed 41% currently so I mean yeah it's I'm looking at it it's spinning but just in case you don't believe me there's gpu-z tiny 41% idle which is where it should be that's the that's the floor okay see if it could be power fluctuation with a flat curve we can look at that there's some testing I'm going to be doing offline for for time reasons okay we got a store order thank you and now you need to go through some more super chats I'm behind on them I'm gonna try and get through as many as I can I mean I'll get through all of them it's just give me some time to catch up I'll get through all of them before I end up stream though Sarah from Michigan it looks like purchased a key chain in one of the limited foil shirts thank you very much and what is super chat and chat saying so guys how's our $35 thank you you and your team are amazing keep up the great work well thank you for watching supporting us it's extremely helpful and much appreciated Adam Schumann senior $5 you are still out of the 3x so I got that one t logo shirt yes and we still have 3x of these we might have 3x with some others I need to look but we'll try and order some more of those we do have 3 X's of these though 9 tal x5 a GBP hey from the UK thanks for keeping me sane on the night shift glad to give you something to listen to Gangji films $2 worth upgrading to a 20 atti from a 1080 TI probably not I don't know depends on what you need right so like you're pretty happy with your performance now then the answer is no and if you're not happy with your performance now and an extra 30% will get it for you the answer is yes if you have the money to spend on that so Maeve's do you like a lot of multi high res multi-monitor gaming I would say VR but it's not that intensive so not I don't think it necessarily it is but if you're not getting what you need out of a 1080i then you really don't have many other options Sean Collins did our Steve can you explain that chips on Intel six SSD I don't think so because I'm not familiar with why this is a question six hundred series maybe let me let me tell you this check alan mal ventanas reviews from pc / i always like to send people his way for SSD questions he's an expert in the space i think he's the best as the reviewer so check out his content and he should probably have far better explanations than I give I'm not not afraid to tap out on questions I don't know the answer to crack on PC Hong Kong $25 thank you is a CPU 28 core is five gigahertz no no no it's not it's lady 86 K so this wasn't let's let me get this running while I read super chats because it does take a few minutes to fail I don't know - 500 I will try a like a curve up later they vote frequency curve later Austrian that did not set what's the lowest that even goes here - a thousand okay well let's try again - 450 please apply okay so this one fails n times by an FIR mark and from that okay that that's not what it's supposed to look like so that's probably because last time I guess I need to restart between the last failure and this one so let's go ahead and give that a restart ha ha ha instant fail okay so in uh maaske Saudi $1 99 thank you Steve I'm the owner of c1 thanks for the help our ma arrives Wednesday oh yeah I've got yours right here too just go back to EVGA so we worked with EVGA who were actually our media rep stepped in and handled our mas for a couple of people who sent cards to us that needed to be replaced and he said his job isn't even the army department and he replaced them for the people so it got to give them credit for fast response and getting the the viewers sorted out who loaned us their cards then their cards are gonna be going I think this might be the other one that failed I think their cards are gonna be going back to EVGA this weekend though so evj will diagnose them further and send them to us as necessary or send their information to us rather so glad you got your your RMA shipping out to you that quickly though glad we could provide some assistance while doing all the troubleshooting ok so let's try this again it's so this is so weird I feel like normally I get a crash and I'm saying ok let's try this again except it's to increase voltage and increase the clocks this time we're trying to decrease everything let's improve stability the other direction from a stock ok well that's gonna eventually pop up try - 450 - 250 didn't helps out under power might be the next thing to do and I run gpu-z this time just so we can keep an eye on things that precision doesn't report ok launch see if it dies and I know that's not really gonna be legible for camera but I will be able to check it and read it out to you in the event of a failure for this one alright so super chats Sean Devine $5 so yeah I get it right people it's Canadian rule miser at Linus I'm about 50 minutes behind on super Chad's but I can catch up let's see if I read about ten of them I can get almost the current time luke w $10 why does Geekbench always crash my 8086 K when stable on everything else unit 5 gigahertz and 1.4 volt B core also when will mod Matz be in stock the large mod mat that I have on the table here so this is the 4 foot by 2 foot model the large mod map I say model because there's a medium one that we're working on making but it won't be ready till probably January so a large one we have another round of these coming in early December so especially if here in the US if you place a backorder on it now because they've been selling out constantly so they're back ordered placed a backorder we still have inventory for this round so you'll get one in the US definitely before Christmas international match or you can email us at support gamers Lexus not net and our distributor will help you figure that out for timing after that our next round is probably gonna be January end of January maybe February it's kind of depends on Chinese New Year and stuff like that for manufacturing that is some of the most spectacular failure we've seen tonight hahaha and then to answer your question about why does Geekbench crash when everything else is stable it's probably the type of workload I don't know what Geekbench does I never use it but AVX would be a good example if it's a DX if games are stable but it's doing some AVX load I don't know what Keith's crunch does then that would explain it you do an AV x offset negative offset on the multiplier if you want to hold by point on everything but but a V X for example so underclocking the core did not help but I didn't offset I didn't do like a vote frequency curves we'll try that later let's do one more thing I want to under power it now I'm gonna restart so people keep sending hugs and kisses every time they die because the I guess the X DS will also look like XO hoes I just now caught on to that I saw people saying it it's the gpu-z strobe light okay so I guess I don't know I guess - power this time and just to be clear for anyone tuning in now times by does the same thing and that's a gaming workload so it's not just cuz we're torturing the power components with fairmark times by is doing the same thing I'm just using this because it launches faster and it fails faster so same mode of failure just faster window to create the failure okay that's annoying literally didn't do anything figured I'd at least be able to get that application open before it crashed so this card is getting decreasingly happy at this point it's not crazy hot that backplates like under 50 C so that doesn't mean there isn't a hot component but again based on the one that's wired up with a bunch of thermocouples it's probably fine let's restart it see if it keeps doing that might have killed the killed the drivers with it that last time okay so we got a question from Michael Thompson for 99 - tech tips is good okay you figure out what the last word is am I gonna say the rest of because I don't want to be taken out of context we like working with - he addresses a different audience may not be the same people it's a very important audience we're getting newcomers into the space and then they eventually come over to us we've seen that a lot by the way with people who started out - and they discovered us later so he he plays an important role I told him once that he is like the anchor store in a shopping center he's he's the reason people come to the space and hopefully they find our store next to it and this is what you would call bad this is a this is undesirable behavior carted this card's really unhappy now so I think this one might be done I also take it apart and look at it later because it was kind of holding for money not really it was holding for like three minutes but I would say this one it was clear this one was already going through RMA channels but now it's we'll do some further testing on it it's definitely going through our army channels so that's card d1 we had e one was also failing artifacting either catastrophic ly it's not like they blew up so do you want not doing so well look at that more later I think I think we're done with that one maybe do one more while I catch up on super chats this one perhaps I won okay I think there's one card here than one of those EVGA cards that definitely works now after the driver update don't need power cables so this is I won I have I don't unless I did at the start of the stream I don't think I did I don't think I've tested this one yet okay off to the races for that one so you check on chat while that's booting out where you have to do drivers again she's done ski Steve here Wow so that cards someone saying do the smell test I've actually used that this week and it does not smell like smoke so no pops components it would be it's really obvious when a component pops I'll tell you why I know later have to investigate further yeah so we'll see well retest that once more might need some time to chill out for a bit whose d1 is that what that was d1 d1 is for the gentlemen and Kentucky and I'll be in contact with you later we'll do some more Diagnostics on it and then you can go through your RMA windows not happy after that failure okay I need to read some super chats or we're still behind all I have to do is read like 10 and we're almost to present time so Frederick's du Quai $20.00 Canadian thank you hi Dale not my name but okay we'll go with it hi Dale I upgraded horizons 1700 X to a Pentium g46 20 and saw no framedrops gtx 980ti I'm so confused by this message that's not an upgrade so I think it's a joke well we're gonna go with that Michael Thompson 199 it's a conspiracy he admitted it this is back to when I was saying that I I of course am behind all of this Ian Powell $2 well done I will stick with my 70 now just to be clear yeah probably wait a little bit so let's clear it up but it's not supposed to be a widespread issue we'll see screens black I don't think windows liked that last like what the card did to it last time let's give it a bit and I'll read some more Robert Velasquez 5.4 an 8700 K with nati is the real world in game difference between enabling Emma sighs enhanced turbo and manual aid overclocking the five gigahertz noticeable 8700 K what does that boost tears at 4.7 I can't remember where that boost here any more things I want to say it's a 4.7 or something is it different between enhanced turbo so enhanced turbo will go to the highest single thread speed and I don't have that memorized I've a TA just 6k memorized but if five gigahertz all core is higher than the fastest single thread then yes because the fastest single thread with et will remove the power limit duration limitations if there are any and it will also boost to the all course the fastest single thread you can test it really easily those Cinebench is great for that minnow cout 94 99 how does that ugh keyboard it's actually okay so as a keyboard it's fine the switches are standard I don't know if they're red or brown I think they're brown it's fine I have a few things I don't like with it like I've talked to EVGA already but I want the the Windows key needs to be on the other side where it always is and if they're gonna leave it split like this at least have the FN the function and the windows can be the same cap because in software you can switch these two functions so you can make this one over there and vice versa but the keys are different sight the caps different size so you can't switch how much it's really unfortunate so that's that's just a gripe I have with it the volume slider is kind of funny because if you are adjusting volume through software then obviously that doesn't move with it so if you adjust your software to 80% and your dials down to 20 next time you move it it's gonna jump so a wheel would be better but that's it's okay as a keyword there I really don't mind it other than that oh it also why are you laughing it also does this pretty nice and I'm not gonna do it this time but last time we did that during a stream Jacob from EVGA said he does he is the spring load to launch things so I put a screw on it I launched it in the air and then realize that's a bad idea and near an open air test bench it was fine though it didn't landed it mechanical flaw five dollars came in late has this been narrowed down to a particular lock code is artifacting reproducible in linux good question not sure the answer is no and not sure I'm working on collecting all the serial numbers and all that stuff still and a sensor memory and ICS Arthur Zhou let me I'm just gonna get through a bunch of super chats give me a few minutes here actually we don't have too many to go through so wait where'd it go there it is oh yeah we don't have many let me get through these all right there's out $5 thank you for doing this great testing by the way do you know how long does it take for these cards to break first day or a couple of days a weeks depends a couple of people who sent them in said if failure was about 70 hours for artifacting some of them said it was basically instantly the BSOD s have been resolved by drivers for the most part and those were all the time it depending on your monitor and then I think there was one that took like a week of just progressive or degenerative failure basically Nicolas my oh five dollars just buy it I wonder if it's because you forgot to turn off ray tracing no Kevin's already two dollars thank you no message hoorah chess plays TV two dollars that artifacting symbol is Steve's Jesus fish XD Cory bears we should make that four cars Cory bears $4.99 Steve you heard about us about the beanies now hear us about the done ski one ski with included dragon sizes and Steve pattern hashtag one ski I like the I like the product name of done ski one ski how's the license it from kingpin though because done ski is his word seventh-day Savior five thighs I just lost my job ouch but you've raytrace to my heart Steve go buy yourself a race race coffee of this keep your body man yeah good luck with the job hunt sorry to hear that definitely best of luck Peter ll PHP 2500 is that Phillip Philippines dollars I don't know thank you so much though whatever amount it is doesn't matter we we always appreciate it thanks for showing us how crappy the new r-tx cards and then I think that's a peace sign emoji I mean definitely these ones are problematic absolutely I just yeah jaw line between I solicited these so they are bad and then I've got a dozen others in the storage room that works just fine so Anna I it's a bit of a lottery I guess bit dragon or a Brit dragon two dollars should I upgrade from a 1070 probably not I don't know depends on on what kind of money are trying to spend if you're like ten seventy twenty seventy know if you're going from ten seventy two like twenty eighty which is a 1080 TI or a twenty eighty I and you have that much money to spend I guess so but only if you are at a point in your your performance where you're really disappointed by it and you need more if not then just wait there's no reason to constantly upgrade cycle if you're happy with performance Auto easy and Elliott's in SEK twenty what cpu are you using ATM 6k it's not a 79 80 XE but thank you for keeping them alive Guido Sarducci $5 just drop 769 on EVGA I see two black Black Edition 1080 TI I feel like this will hold me over til the next generation of cards 2100 or even Navi yeah a 1080i is a perfectly good card in fact we have video coming up on this of all the purchases that our viewers made at RT X launched 64 percent of them were 1080 TI's all the video card purchases you'll see that in our video coming out 64 percent so that's all GTX 410 series and and all our TX and then if you count AMD in there I think about 56% so 1080i is really popular with the r-tx launch r27 is having the same issue or just 20 ATT I not clear I have heard mixed stories I have a couple more to get through keeping ttan 249 $5 did you get my email about DisplayPort 1.1 cable issue with the 2070 I need to catch up on a lot of issues about RTX cars we got like a hundred of them after the last day's video so probably not I mean I'm sure I have it but I haven't read them all so I apologize trying to work through them while also doing normal work I will read them although for that inbox Leviathan priam six dollars hello GN when will the lightweight Raglan zip hoodie and medium and small be back and saw great question I just got a shipping notice for those today so they are on the way to us now they're already with with UPS I think so we'll have those next couple of days keep an eye out I'll probably tweet when they're back in Andreas Sheriff two dollars do a power shut mod and see if it crashes I would clear that with the owner first because that's that's got into modifications so no plans do that right now we have other ways to test we can decrease the power we can increase power offset stuff like that your software let me read the last few while we try and get this thing alive again I'm just gonna completely shut it down give it a minute and turn it back on and see if it wakes back up Windows is very unhappy I think after the last crash hopefully it's windows hopefully it's not a motherboard issue but I doubt it been barely $7.99 Australian thank you hey Steve I'm looking to build a new PC what would you build now on a 99 out of K platform specifically I guess if I'm building on an IRA platform I really want to see how this e3 90 dark is so I would probably hope personally you ask me how what I would do so I would probably hold out another month and see what does the dark look like is it any good just because I the X 299 dark I like to working with a lot and for boards that are out now the gigabyte extreme is good it's very expensive to go that route but I don't know if you're gonna like push overclocks kind of hard then I would I would go for the higher end boards if not there plenty of other boards to fit your needs honestly for a GPU if I could find one like 700 bucks I would still buy a 1080i though today maaske oh I got yours earlier Paul hunter five dollars 2600 K up 4.8 that's very good r9 290x can I upgrade to a 1080i or do I need a new motherboard CPU etc so you're gonna be on I don't know what I don't know you have to check what PCI generation you're on but you should be kind of okay with a single card even with PCIe two-eckstein you're gonna be at the limits though so if you are my son whines about FPS yeah now you're talking about looking for the best bang for the for the euro and do you need a new motherboard TV etc Mikey 2600 acts 2600 K is pretty old if he's just gaming I don't know yeah I'd I would say a 1080i is a reasonable upgrade if you have the money to then get a CPU and motherboard later perhaps in a couple months because that 1080i will be good for a while same it the other way if you want a 2600 X I just I don't think a CPU upgrades gonna improve your your son's FPS in an immediate fashion I think it will help allow the higher end GPUs to fully leverage the core but I would start with the GPU if you might have budget a bit later or you could always always wait a little longer if he can wait and try and just go all at once but let's answer your question very directly my inclination is that at 4.8 on 2600 K which is still pretty good we tested it recently and it was keeping up well within 1080 TI that to the point where was actually bottlenecking it a bit so I'd have to see how it does with the 290x I'm not sure but yeah I would say my inclination is GPU upgrade and then CPU maybe a couple months down the line Alex Forrester if I also my reasoning for that is because the CPU upgrade will force a ram upgrade and that's getting expensive so we read like four more of these Alex Forrester five dollars thanks for running these tests my 20 atti has been running well lately but initially had quirks and I'm keeping a close eye on your testing are you good to hear it's running well if the quirks were driver related the driver patch update might have might have helped you out try Leonard $2.00 when show's over swim back welcome back the pound when you left we are now down we were done through four cards and I think two of those had severe artifacting issues to the point where it might have taken out windows with it this one's trying to get going I don't think I've even installed drivers yet the gigabyte card failed in fur mark but not in times by so mixbag scarlett tech $9.99 do you think the archaic scores and tensor cars will generate more heat and thermally limit cards once ray-tracing is available I figure vapor chambers may get saturated possibly well it's already getting kind of overloaded by by the heat load it's dealing with I would assume that activating more of the GPU would increase the heat load on the cooler but seriously hmm but they might be doing some power gating on the rest of the cores I'm just changing I'm unplugging the SSD booting it with that one and then then we'll see what it does if I boot it with one again oh yeah I don't know they might be doing some clock gating on on the core once the RT cores are active so we don't know what the behavior will be just yet new to this channel 50 and okay hi I'm new to this channel I've been watching for a long time keep up the great work well welcome thank you for watching and thank you very much for the donation always helps out thomas Lukens $5 Steve please do a feature a future piece on where gallium based CPUs are and why silicon isn't dead yet gallium based CPUs I am not familiar with graphene maybe not qualified to answer that today but maybe I could do some research and talk to david cantor or something like that we could always always look into that stuff no current plans but I will look into your question with David Cantor he's a good source for that okay let's see if it actually killed Windows or not everything is as it should be Scott and these five dollars if I am upgrading from an i5 6,600 K is better to go and I 787 hurt K or a 99 K for gaming again how many frames do you really need 8700 from an i-5 6600 K first of all if you're only gaming and you're trying to be like 144 Hertz or 200 Hertz or something crazy like that yeah 99 K will better get you into that position but we also really high favorite 8700 K so I have a hard time recommending the nine hundred K just because of the price it's done we the objectively better chip for gaming but it's also objectively a lot more money so again my inclination is 8700 K because I tend to be more cost conscious because if the performance if sort of the the value starts falling off a cliff you hit diminishing returns as you're approaching 1900 K I am less inclined to personally go that route but if you got lots of money and you want the best I guess you can go that route my inclination again there was 8700 K it's not as big of an upgrade but still a massive upgrade from an i5 6600 K and what boot cut are we getting it doesn't like the OS I think it might have nukes the OS I might have to reimage that later or something we'll try it one more time see a couple more tureen not too many sebastian crude is 10 euro maybe a bit off topic on RT extreme but what's your opinion on liquid metal instead of normal paste between they see being cooler i used it on my latest latest build and i'm afraid about the copper core it'll be fine don't worry about it it will color it so it's we have a video on liquid metal corrosion look that up look up corrosion on the gamers nexus channel click the search button type that in and we have video on it i explain why you'll get some coloration on that copper heatsink and it's it's be kind plated basically almost like electroplating so take a look at that content it'll be fine it just means you have to use more liquid metal than otherwise so blue screen again it's not even blue screen it's just like windows is gone or something let's just do some basic stuff what do I want command prompt boot that's not typed proper scan OS no OS okay that's nice I rebuild BCD access denied okay well that card might have blown up the operating system I don't even know if this is gonna work probably not yeah okay let's reboot again I'll make sure well by us should be set to three mode okay let me read through the rest of super chess we might be done I think the previous card crashing killed Windows but I will look into it I can you can often recover windows just by moving over some files gallium arsenide oh that's a good point there was a content piece about that I'm not sure that's the current status of that there we go its back its back okay Soho last card we're gonna do I guess I'm not tested this one yet so we still need to D to you and all that stuff it's restoring to the state of the previous card before it got nuked okay didi you last one we have more but I'm gonna cut it here after after we see what this one does sue to our MRF nope okay remove recursively a question on the horan $10 sorry if I came off as a jerk in the comments I don't I don't remember your comments so I think we're good anyway can you do a custom overclock turbos and Maxtor was vice all core verse across can you benefit from this sort of tweaking the balance core temps our clocked turbos versus maximum turbos custom so maybe you can do like if if what you're asking is study different course the different clocks then you can get a bit more stability a bit higher clock on a single thread it's good for benchmarking I don't like it for production or daily use it's good for benchmarking because the graphics render thread is often on one thread on the CPA on the CPU maybe two and so if you overclock one assuming it ends up with the task then it can help with increasing benchmark scores like in x by extreme but I don't like it for daily use if that's what your question was not Shaunda by and prices please bring in the senior and the analyst as an RT x expert well I just rebuilt the old set I got some the final two lights and for it yesterday so we can do some more videos there with snowflake on has a special guest or CEO Seville is a $2.00 test vr+ vive I want to see beat Sabre Steve dance nope and uh we did V our benchmark in the past pretty interesting content but we kind of stopped because there's interesting once and then it's not being interesting because I don't know market isn't really there to justify the time expense for us is tremendous the new PR benchmark it's completely insane how long it takes does it requires setup of a whole room for like multiple days where and you can no longer do other testings that's a big opportunity cost and then it's also I don't know the games aren't super demanding so once you test it once you kind of don't need to anymore we'll look at it maybe at some point once once VR gets another major push of it does but on hold presently if review our tests so if you don't know what I'm doing I'm installing drivers on the last card we're gonna test we've had several artifacting cards tonight previous one almost blew up some of the software on the system but last one this is card I won and who is the owner of this card this is Henry's card Henry was watching earlier okay so we're just installing the drivers super chats and store orders so we got Sean Collins I'm almost to the bottle of super chats while this installs two dollars Australian thank you I've seen just having a Maasai afterburner cause artifacts well we've seen artifacts with nothing also open so I don't know I guess it's completely sporadic maybe it might be just correlation not causation in that case I'm not sure it's kind of hard to know because there there's so many different types of things I can go wrong with software and hardware space birdie $2 when I overclock my 1060 at all why is my CPU score drop instability maybe something like that probably instability I am z-ray vien $2.00 8799 30 K answer that question a bit ago you're upgrading from the 77 hearty K though I don't think in 87 hard it's a decent upgrade but I don't know I don't think it's a big enough upgrade 77 hurt K at 5.2 gigahertz 1.3 1 volts it's pretty damn good so if I were you I probably wouldn't go to an 87 hard K from that that's pretty damn good like that's a good chip that you have it's probably one of the best so I I would probably shoot for ninety nine hundred K for going full gaming or wait Henry two for one dollar thank you William to five dollars is using liquid metal on a high end air cooler with the price and what do you think about icy graphite thermal heads I wouldn't use it on the cooler no I would use it between the IHS and the die only between the cooler and the diets really cut or the IHS sorry it's kind of irrelevant graphite thermal pads no no present thoughts I think they're way overblown they're not as good as they're made out to me Alan Morris $3 your thoughts on gen 2 or 3 risin versus Intel no thoughts it's not out I don't have benchmarks so I'm not gonna speculate on it okay so that's installed turn g-sync off just to eliminate that that vector for failure and we're gonna reboot this the last one we're doing we've tested a lot of cards tonight including those with thermocouples all over them and showed thermals weren't an issue on that one anyway david kowalski $20 thank you ever consider reviewing laptops even just flagships variance in thermal solutions is push is begging for GN treatment we've done it we used I used to do it a lot but the interest wasn't there and people don't seem to care about a laptop reviews in quite that way I think I could find a way to make people care but the time seems better spent on core components we've done laptop reviews the last big one I did was on bloatware what we've done thermals and it's just I don't know it may be later but my my time is better spent on testing other stuff if we branch out get another technician maybe we could do laptop testing again but the interest just isn't there in our audience specifically better to work on other stuff also that we find more interesting - okay let's start with fur mark just like every other one I'm actually going to close precision on this and is dead is it completely gone yes so we're gonna do with fur mark we've been starting with this then we always got a time spike stream and those create failures just like games do so let's let that go for a bit what notes do I have on this card this one might have been a I don't remember was this a blue screen or a or a an artifacting issue I don't remember which one this was I think this one was artifacting actually I have photos for this one hang on let me find those the owner sent some photos of the issue in the box which is actually extremely helpful so I can quick reference them so this from that owner yes okay so literal photos all right so this this particular owner was seeing issues like this one I suppose nope it's frozen but they were seeing stuff like that artifact in and it's it's kind of weird hold the photo up to a camera will reproduce it soon soon enough I don't know if this was his I think it might have been I found that post on Reddit and he may have been the one i pm'd about that issue so anyway clearly artifacts in those examples so it shut down I don't think I didn't shut it down today I was holding a photo okay max power has not exceeded previous max so it didn't freak out on the power it just shut itself off that's nice oh did it did you catch it a little so it artifact it again for a second I guess hey I did install drivers right there were drivers on there okay drivers are gone that has killed them it crashed and it ate the drivers see if D detects it yes Henry says yep that's mine yes it is okay so again let me address this again just saw on reddit and videos replacing our make cards with the new Samsung memory could micron memory be the issue it could be there could be bad batches from micron but there is presently there's evidence to the contrary some people have projected that all the micron memory on the r-tx cards is bad that's wrong because the failure rates low enough and we have a lot of cards other reviewers have a lot of cards this is an uncommon issue it's common enough to definitely be a problem and we're not brushing it under the rug that's why I'm doing this but I also want to keep people in check and remembering that memory suppliers are added to the roster all the time so this is the movement to support Samsung memory is more of a move to support increased demand for the product and get more memory suppliers bidding against each other so that anybody can drive the cost out of their memories they can supply more cards with more memory so although there may be a correlation perhaps some batches of micron memory were bad we don't know it is not anything as wide region as all micron memory was bad just to be clear on that great question though see so someone says I went 2,700 X to 9900 my VR experience became much better same system otherwise keep the great work thank you that was from Sevilla SA we we did our on our 1700 PR testing versus the seven 700 K I was pretty interesting back in the day Juke Picard a $5 for Picard hell-blade for VR can murder a rig trying to hit solid 90 FPS that's a good point no room needed to see the game the intro scene would be an excellent benchmark if we do it again I will remember that because hell-blade is an extremely demanding game so that's a good point but it's it's still a lot of work even without them the room space requirement setting up the tools to do the benchmarks is is kind of insane it's their non-standard they're not trivial to work with processing that data requires a bit of script and it's not there in stuff we've done and we already have done but it's oh it's that much more legwork to get the benchmark is completed so we don't do it too often Jeff Chris 47 $5 how good of a board and your opinion is the my screen on black it does that sometimes it's this specific screen they'll come back and telling drivers okay it's back where to go how good of a board in your opinion is the a C's crosshair hero six extreme it's it's perfectly fine we use it for our standardized rise and benchmarking couple store orders let me check that as well that's installing drivers so like I said purchasing from the store is one of the best ways to support our streaming because it's a lot of extra work to set these up whenever we do them still doing normal filming for the day and editing as well but if you want to help us out directly you go to store documents actions done that grab something there that you think is suitable we have everything from $10 keychains and cheap stickers and decals up to mod mats and shirts like the foil graph logo shirt I'm wearing tonight which we are running low on stock for I think as of this stream actually I'll check that inventory in a second so we got an order from Tim in Santa Cruz Santa Cruz is a great place who picked up the graphite zipper hoodie thank you and one of the mugs let me check on that inventory see what we have left so for the foil shirts we have we've still got a couple 3x + 4 X 2 X is gone and we're not ever gonna get more large is gone exhale there's still one so I'm gonna pick that up yet there's still one XL left of this shirt a couple of mediums total smallest couple extra smalls but large 2 X are gone and XL is almost gone that's still installing the drivers super chats so I'll check normal chat a moment to TM $5.00 I have an 1886 case stable 5 gigahertz at one point two four volts that's very good I can get it to what five point three gigahertz at one point four three but a thermal throttle should I deal it no oh wait 8086 K yes I take that back 900 K no 88 86 K yes it's easy be careful obviously at your own risk all that stuff but the tools are cheap to deal it and it is 86 K simple process you can buy the rocket toolkit for like 30 bucks or something and it's pretty foolproof follow the instructions obviously but and then a liquid metal help you out that's just like not install no no it's let's restart it okay so I'm going to will restart this C of the drivers today and then I'll figure out what we're telling next Tim $5 have you heard trouble of anyone getting Nvidia to responds returns but trying to return my 2080 TI fe and have not gotten a single email back as a matter of fact yes someone just sent a super chat named Tim saying that so I haven't heard too many stories like that I've definitely heard that enmity has been slow to get processed returns process but I haven't heard that they've just straight ignored anyone so try again if it persists as a problem let us know yeah I don't know what's will try the driver install one more time that this system does not like this card more the previous one Nestea or $5 I will be moving to Europe and wants a future-proof myself as much as possible what GP direct man 2070 or 1080i or anything else I like the 1080i at that price class if you can find it Z money $10 I see you love GN thank you is it possible my 8086 K sucks yes it is possible can't get it stable 5 gigahertz all cores with anything less than one point 3 5 volts is 1.25 fine for every day yes it is fine maybe the motherboard gigabyte gaming SLI z3 9 8 10 + 2 PWM I the 1.35 is fine just run 1.35 Israel Garcia $4.99 I'm trying to find motherboards to do to Intel 905 peer in raid 0 2 970 Evo m2 the same and 228 et is Li has a lot of PCIe you want 9900 K or should I go x2 99 so you want for got 4 SSDs that are on PCIe and you wanted to GPUs I say X 299 or 399 okay I'm gonna try this one more time this time they're gonna clean install so DD you already happened but whatever space birdie two dollars would a stable CPU become unstable once GPU overclocks not typically seveal si $4.99 what about fan benchmarks would love a guide Oh like literal fans oh wait no you mean like viewer fans with a love a guide and be able to send in data so you don't have to do the VR work guides not good enough we need standardized tests he needs to be the same person the software is not easy to just turn into a guide it's also partly in-house so yeah you cannot not doable Israel Garcia $1.99 any word on 128 ET i hybrids will be available not sure I don't know if Jake was watching the stream but if he is Jacob feel free to send a text I think they said like not sure okay not sure I don't think I don't think he's messaged it's me Ramon $5.00 I have a restart okay that was a good restart we want that one I have 250 BTC with CL seller on 710 70s when trying to use GP render on 3ds max only three work maybe because PCIe lanes what do I need to use as a node cheap I am not sure what you're asking for um I don't know if you could elaborate that would be great I don't know what you're asking drivers could be an issue PCIe lanes if they were set up like a mining system are probably an issue with that kind of render I don't know John Anderson 10.22 of these super chaps I need to get through is it gonna install it should install this time it's trying to pop up not sure if you saw me a message on discord was the DX error related to DP secondary monitor does it happen when these secondary monitors HDMI if you mean when we're seeing those like X DS all over the screen as I've been calling the artifacting does not matter if there's a secondary monitor and it's happening on single monitors as well not sure about secondary monitor with HDMI but the newest drivers fix a lot of secondary monitor issues last time I read fright now Linux guy 11 2 eyes will you ever try them on Linux probably not it is an interesting question though but probably not immediately so what's chat saying I'm looking at chat right now and I need to scroll down a bit chat says F yep someone says ask Autodesk for the other question that does sound odd a desk will probably respond to you I don't know if they'll do it competently or not but they'll respond without about 4G decoding only three or so will work due to memory mapping so there you go someone some people are trying to answer your question in chat thank you for taking that up for me then really $2.99 best case for water cooling a full ATX sighs thanks I like the 11 dynamic for that category without any other parameters departs the question that's that's what I like what do you think of Linus has modified IBM 5150 I am not familiar with it so I have to go look do you have a discord I can draw and we do but it's patreon only patreon.com slash gamers nexus for that ok it installed but it's not showing up but it installed try restarting I'm gonna give up after this on this card ok read it out with the last few stories here Matthew from Massachusetts picked up a Raglan hoodie thank you good timing on that again for the cool weather lightweight hoodie if you want one it's two-tone flu and grayish black doubt some decals from Brady thank you for picking those up in the US and in order for from John in North Carolina for a one of the actually last one the last XL of this shirt so large for the foil graph logo limited shirt limited because we're not making more once they're gone they're gone it's large that is here oh that's done it's not gonna be listed again XL is that zero I think yeah it's at zero it's done 2x I think is gone so we've got some three four X and some small sizes see yeah so large a zero XL is gone 2x is gone couple 3x couple 4x couple of extra stops extra small small and medium we have two extra smalls some smalls and some mediums then that'll be it we will not be restocking this order so thank you for picking up the last Excel John okay it did not look like it was successful but let me read the last order here Scott from New York picked up a blue print shirt thank you Scott all right so I'm gonna have to look at this separately it doesn't like this card like it's just straight not detecting it or it's not installed it is detecting it but it's not installing the drivers properly so it's either an OS issue or card issue I can troubleshoot both I'm not gonna do it today on stream so recap will film separately but the short version is this card I think was one of the very bad ones I think that's the one that nearly took the OS with it this card with all the thermocouples that I can't move over there is artifacting pretty bad but thermals don't appear to be an issue on any of the components memory or VR admin f1 was very bad when I was testing it earlier but we didn't reproduce issues on the stream g1 gigabyte card had issues in fer mark but we didn't see immediate issues in times pi so I need to test that further over a longer period and this one I won exhibited issues like once and we're not able to get it to go go again so I would say that one's a problem as well so there is your quick recap someone said triodes as I have a blueprint sure it's nice and soft glad you like it it's basically a tooth to blend it's it's like a 50/50 shirt so are you a couple chats for a second just normal chats then I'll I'll close it out so Dan Callahan says Steve I'm fairly new to the channel two months watching love how informative your channel is made upgraded my CPU much easier recently glad to hear that glad it helped you someone just says GTX 2060 no contacts so I'll just read that I guess yes fortnight that's it no context why chat hasn't changed a bit okay I've got two super chats I'm not gonna read any more after these two so we have Bell mo 831 five dollars what if you put cards in the oven to refloat the solder like we used to do it with a knife 800 G x2 I am NOT going to do that these are not my cards that would there are a lot of things I can do that won't violate the warranty or that no one will ever know about that is not one of them putting it in an oven is pretty noticeable so I will not be doing that but it's an interesting question I think you will not get an answer to that anytime soon because for most people they can just file an RMA there within the window they'll get a return it'll be fine last one Ramone $2 cancel I write down 150 how do I write to you please I think so chat gave you a lot of answers for your your question on multi GB or 3ds max I don't think I can answer that I'm not familiar with 3ds max range requirements Autodesk's might be able to help I don't know you can tweet at us though okay alright so that's that's it for this one guys I got to work on a recap and some other content we've filmed a few pieces today as well hardware news and a case benchmark that's pretty cool and thank you for watching we'll have more on these twenty ATT eyes pretty soon I need to do some follow-up testing the offline not streaming so I can really dig into stuff and spend time on it and yeah that's it for this one so stored on cameras axis net as always double that directly or pick up the last few of this shirt like I said once it's gone that's it so we've got 3 X 4 X a couple smallest couple mediums and also a couple extra smalls two of those so almost gone pick it up on the store if you wanted thank you for watching and subscribe for more I'll see you all next time