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okay I think we should be live probably we're the troubleshoot some sound on the side channel I think it's been troubled shot so how let me know if it's working I want to send this link out on Twitter and stuff like that but let me know if everything looks okay to you and we should pretty much be good to go at this point so what we're testing today I'll keep an eye on chat for a minute it is live yes thank you it's working it's working it's working one person said it's not working screw you everyone else says it's working trying to trick me alright so we are revisiting a very interesting cooler I'm just sharing this on Twitter we are alive go watch so this cooler gave us some trouble previously some of it was my fault and some of it was the coolers fault if she found out basically the top of the cooler this thing right here is it's really interesting cooler I like it a lot actually just for how weird it is but the top of it has some pieces that screw into the fin stack so it's basically a semi open-loop cooler it's an air cooler plus water cooling and and so what it does is it takes liquid in from an open loop pushes it through with a fin stack and the inlet like manifold basically where water comes in was loose it has four screws they were not tightened and so it leaked all the way down the fins and then then we ran away and went to Taiwan for two weeks so we're back now alright someone says light needs a diffuser a little harsh I don't there are diffusers on both of these so I don't know it deal with it we can't do any color correction lives so alright so yeah basically we're finally gonna retest this thing and we have not done any testing yet with with just the air cooler with all the liquid removed so I'll be doing that probably later and I think as the stream ends I'll be publishing a video with our review basically of the cooler so yeah it's very very interesting the top plate is too strong I mean has that changed from normally things just the camera angles different sorry guys deal with it alright so yeah it's really fun I'll show you the setup in a moment I guess quick mentions here so this is the cooler it's the PC cooler W 120 it's $100 you bought on aliexpress and as I noted it's it's particularly interesting because it has some of these are normal copper heat pipes that don't have open-loop liquid in them of course copper heat pipes do have a liquid in them but it's not not the same as we're talking about with open-loop so these two Center pipes right here go down through the cooler like normally into a cold plate which I haven't opened yet and I hope we can do that on stream today maybe depending on time so we might actually open this cooler today if we don't we'll do separate video but I'd like to open it cuz I want to see if there are actually any micro fins in there or if it's just like pushing water through a copper plate because that's not gonna be nearly as effective obviously as more surface area for microphones so anyway water goes down one comes out the other and these are normal copper heat pipes there's a fan on the other side the fans are actually pretty high CFM we tested it on the previous stream and it was up there definitely but it's a cheap fan so it's a bit noisy as cheap plastic so the endurance is kind of questionable so anyway PC coolers the company W 120 is the product it was shown seven years ago at Computex and we never heard about it since then and this is oh yeah people are already pointing out the five hundred watt claim on there so this is the inside of the box the reason I'm showing you this you might see some yellow aging in there and I think that's pretty much evidence to how long it sat on a shelf before we rescued it because this thing again shown first time seven years ago and I've never seen a single review of it I don't think and the throne page that came with it is completely hard and I think I actually still have some let me see if we do I can demonstrate for you yes okay so this will be in the review that we'll be publishing towards the end of the stream this is the thermal paste it's one gram and they call it a - is the name oh yeah I'm wearing the new shirt by the way you can buy this on the store now that we're getting a zoom on my chest so if you like the shirt design its stored on gamers nexus net pick it up anything you buy during the stream I will shout out your first name and where you're from and of course we greatly appreciate the support during the stream so this is the new blue print shirt anyway yeah one gram allegedly a two and I don't know if they claim yeah they say four watts per meter Kelvin now here's the problem this stuff is so old that it basically comes out pre cured and like hardened that's that's what you get I mean if I if I can push it around and it's not spreading this is just like a plastic ball at this point so we tested with their thermal paste and with our standardized paste and it is a significant difference between this which officer speaks to shelf life of pace as they cure it's not very good so we'll show that all that gets published in the video as the stream ends but we'll do some live testing today as well just to show you how it all works and yeah so let me let me show you the system itself and then we will do a couple more notes before testing and we can get into testing as people fill the chat to move this light back so Andrews gonna go hand cam here to give us a moment all right so here's the system I have a thermocouple in here right now just a straight thermometer actually and this is just our pump and reservoir combo currently we're hooked up to so thermocouples in here just for water temperature you'll see why that's relevant later we have quick disconnects added those in line and I'm so glad I did so quick disconnects currently allowing us to connect to this over here to the right which is a super fat thermal take three sixty millimeter radiator with relatively high end fans on it including an a12 and so this also teetering by the way it's way over the load limit of this pillar so this is hooked up we have a 360 rad plus three fans hooked up to a 100 dollar cooler with a pump and reservoir so we're well over $200 for total price we're probably approaching 300 for this cooler so it better be damn good because you're in you're in beginner level level open-loop territory with this and we already tested all this stuff like I said we're going to go through some of it on the stream just to show you and then I'm hoping we can just QDC this hit the disconnects and take it apart as we go or just remove the radiator from the loop if you wanted to see that testing live as well so anyway right now ambient is 25.1 and the liquid temperature is 27 just for reference it's kind of hotter in here today than normally so that's the cooler if we can get a closer shot of this I think it'd be interesting so this is here's our fittings it takes G 1/4 inch fittings and barbs and so we've got where you actually using the ones that came with it and then we have ek ones elsewhere and just zip ties to apply some pressure because didn't come with anything to clamp down on the barbs to make sure liquid doesn't leak out which was another problem we had and then under this cover plate there are basically it's an inlet manifold and four screws hold it in and they are super loose the first time which allowed leakage but that's been corrected and then a normal fin stack with actually pretty fat fins not a good thing not very high fin density plus a fan on the other side so you a fan blowing through a tower cooler with water cooling via external pump and bring your own radiator basically as the set up so that's what we have going on and I'll just move back over to the set now and we can go through the rest where's this light go exactly here okay so that's the setup check chat in a moment and I think I think we'll get to do some actual testing this time since we've trouble shot at all someone says ice cubes in the reservoir today it's drawn with the means I'm really glad to see we have persistence between streams though and that people actually watch it so a couple stupid chats $2.00 from Nathan Tipton who says that light is fine it's Chester hallo two British pounds from you can he do that good to see you again it's just what CPU is it it's actually not the so d98 exe it's a 59 30 K is our standardized CPU cooler test CPU because all it needs to do is generate heat the CPU and motherboard do that really reliably so we've kept it around a long time that's why we have so much data on this test bench if you want to know the rest of the components of the test bench look up any of our CPU cooler reviews the Kraken X 72 is probably one of the most recent you can look it up and check the testing methods or test parts of you're curious and I think you can't do that also says nipple cam or no Murch purchase Brendan $5 is the new shirt of tri-blend so it's basically a dual blend if you can call it that so this this is the new shirt it's a bell in canvas and I think it's like 52 percent cotton and yes 50% cotton 48 percent polyester it's a Heather so if you know like the have any any other Heather shirt same idea and there's a logo it's actually pretty cool so this is a logo we did in blender and with some CAD software so you can actually measure the angles and the and the lengths and everything properly for the logo I don't know did we does this come out accurate on the shirt itself or just in the design I think it's actually accurate on the shirt but I'm not positive let's let's see this is supposed to be 55 millimeters so is that that's pretty damn close 51 I'll take that considering it's printed on a shirt so those are the measurements show that for the logo anyway and we're pretty happy with the shirt really cool design it's the blueprint design on store that gamers nexus net if you want to pick it up and yeah it's basically a dual blend so let's see it's not 100% cotton how cheap are you it's not it okay so printing for this type of printing it just looked better on Heather and actually we like the shirt better to also try blends are way more expensive than cotton so anyway next next one let's see the next question was Alex please use this to buy a bag of catnip for the cat thank you the $5 will go a long way towards that tray Emma $5 please invite pinnacle Ridge on livestream Martin Parker $5 for ice there can be no excuses alright so also someone says that this shirt looks dope if I weren't broke I'd buy it well I definitely appreciate you liking the design that does that go a long way so we appreciate that let's let's get something set up here so right now we'll just run a scripted standardized bench test that I have for the cooler and all I'm gonna do is tell it to fire off a bench with a we are going to use tab there we go okay so we're a toes login here it's pretty reliable for that I've already set all that up and then we have a torture test right now it's doing an idle login for part of our automated testing and you can see here our temperatures so we're in the 30s for the CPU is what we're gonna do is average all the core temperatures as this gets going and see what we reach for the Aliexpress PC cooler w 120 so I think we can go over some numbers in a moment show what it's up against for other coolers and then we'll kind of look at the numbers for this one since we've already run those tests and I'm gonna skip the idol test here and we're just gonna fire off prime95 and and let it take it away at this point so a p95 is going automated test is going we'll keep an eye on the temperature it's already jumping pretty hard to the 60s so let me pull up some data and see how exactly this compares to some other coolers as we go and let me just tweet this out one more time live testing the alley Express PC cooler all lowercase W 120 very weird water plus air cooler check at the link okay the rest of you were here first alright so for previous numbers let me see what I can pull up that we can share on screen CPU bench coolers it's a very it I really enjoyed working with this cooler just because it is so different it's not very good but it's different equalities pretty low build quality that is performance you'll see is mixed and not that not that mixed I guess and then the rest is really up to your water cooling components that you've hooked up to it so let me pull some data here I'm gonna hide the data for the PC cooler part will kind of not spoil that for now hide hide hide okay so what is this this chart will work we can show this one if you want a pen over here when ready so right here we have a chart of some results and you don't have to look at it too closely I guess but where we're at right now is we're at 65 with an ambient temperature of like 25 so we're kinda in the 40 degree Celsius range for Delta T over mu and that puts us down here cuz this is all delta T over ambient so we were factory now ambient temperature to a degree it's linear once you start getting more than like 10 degrees or so it's nonlinear but we're not more than 10 degrees difference in ambient temperatures so EVGA CLC 120 2500 rpm there's a 120 millimeter radiator in liquid cooler at 41 dials at t / ambient and our cooler right now is at about 42 41 42 delta T / ambient for the 360 millimeter radiator and we'll see how that goes as it as it carries on so that's that's some quick data for you doesn't look so good for it right now but I think as we keep testing you'll you'll see why that is a really fun product though so I'm gonna go let me check the chat and everything see what everyone's saying and I'll talk more about this cooler so someone says let's see for I sticking it yet so that one I'd always said I don't why says what's the minimum donation for a haircut stream very high you can't do that what do we want mouse mats 35 inch by 12 inch please we're looking into that actively we have actually we have a sample on the way for our first mousepad design and we'll go into mouse mats after that so definitely keep an eye out for for Mouse mats and mouse pads from us we've heard the requests and we're making them we sold the mod mat of course if you want a building service for PC parts that's on store that game is XS net it's an anti-static build service with wiring diagrams it's got a grid for GPU tear downs all that stuff on it really good quality products we're super happy with how it's turned out print quality is great and you can pick one up on backorder the next shipment comes in within a few weeks I think so we should be shipping out within a couple of weeks hopefully so if you you kept the order now you're definitely on the list for the next round $5 from Dean Pennington who says I spilled a pad thai all over my mod mat cleaning recommendations how badly did it get stained I guess soap and water is probably the safest it just just straight soap and water don't rub too hard on any of the areas with the ink it should hold up pretty well to just soap and water shouldn't really be a problem but hopefully that works and then maybe air dry outside or something I don't know you if you want you can if that's not working for you sending the email the support at gamers Nexus net and we'll try and figure something out to help you out with it with cleaning it next one Jack reitman says I am at work five dollars I'm at work if I get fired for watching you test a piece of Aliexpress cooler the blame is squarely on your shoulders I accept it because this cooler is amazing and it's completely worth testing live which is right now oh by the way we are approaching 70 degrees for the core temperatures so I'll remind you this thing's not overclocked that far I think it's 3.8 gigahertz on the 59 30 K and I want to say it's about a hundred and fifty watt heat load if you remember the cooler on the back the box anyway it says where is it thermal power 500 Watts 500 watts cooling they say we've got about 150 on here right now once okay let's be fair 163 and 163 core timer is already in the 70s if we increase that to 500 watts there's no way this thing would still be up it'd be it'd be way past t.j.maxx so we're in the 70s already before doing a delta T different but after that we're probably I don't know we're in fifties something like that this is with a let's see let me double check a couple of things but this is with a 360 radiator and three fairly high on fans how does this do pumps on everything's going what is the liquid temperature liquid temperature right now it's 30 degrees it's actually not bad because ambient is about 25 and here like with Tom set 29.5 so really not terrible for liquid temperature and that's because of this 360 radiator without it would really be suffering right now as you'll see in some of our data later because with just some of the original live stream we asked you all to participate and asked okay so for this thing do you want us to hook it up just to a pump and reservoir and do basically direct link or do you want us to add radiators and everyone wanted pump and reservoir and we added radiators later as seen here pumping reservoir really doesn't cut it for this because there's just not enough airflow over the liquid I mean that the actual exposure the surface area exposure of liquid to a fan if you don't have a radiator is extremely small because you have two pipes and I don't know I don't know how big they're I want to say maybe eight millimeters two pipes that run straight down eight to ten millimeters and the air is just blowing over those and then you're hoping there's some conduction maybe it's I would hope these pipes are soldered to the fins so you get some conduction yes but there's not a lot of exposure of the of anything containing water to air so what happens is the liquid temperatures can run up something like approaching 40 degrees or beyond but approaching 40 C for liquid temperature within our original testing ambient of about 21 because we weren't running all the streaming equipment that's pretty bad so adding the radiator brings us down to 29 as you saw a moment ago on on this bench right now 29 water temperatures really really not bad but the rest of it is kind of rough so a couple questions here Noorie Rivera what's he P you are you running what are the out-of-the-box thermals did fantex not view where is snowflake in midnight did you hug them but before that this message is brought to you by the GN desk our channel no worry getting in every single GN meme I think we've ever had in one message I it was definitely worth the $10 I hope you feel the same Thank You nori so what cpu are you running not a 79 80 XE not an 88 or 9 G which I've memorized specifically because you all memed me into memorizing that name but the 59 30 K out of the box thermals are currently if you consider testing out of the box 74 before delta T subtraction and next one Ace of Spades 878 good name bad thermals PC cooler should have Page who at copy tags it's copy tax 2011 that was a long time ago and I don't know that PC cooler got any any Western coverage at all actually I forget how we even found this thing I think we're just looking around on the on Aliexpress 99 Justin Murphy I have an ugly desk can I get a mod mat in a custom size we can't do custom sizes it's really expensive because there's a minimum order quantity because we don't control we don't like own a factory we give them all the specs and quality control it but ultimately we have to make a certain amount of mod mats so it's 4 feet by 2 feet for now we're working on a medium sized one and hopefully we'll have some progress on that soon so if it's too big at 4 by 2 then keep an eye out we'll have a smaller one for you last one before I kind of move back to some of the testing $5 from Martin Parker who says have you considered following market trends by adding RGB and tempered glass to the mod mat do you think it would affect air flow and thermals well you know I think what we really need to do is add a vertical GPU mount to the mod mat because that is where everything finds its vertical GP amount close to tempered glass something about that combination just makes a lot of sense to me actually on that note we are recording something on vertical GP amounts today after this dream on thermal performance for distance from the glass it's really interesting actually how much of an impact there is if you bring the video card like an extra three inches away from the glass it's crazy so we'll have a video on that filming today go up soon and okay let's look back at this for a minute so we're still running through cycles on prime and we what we do is take an average after it's all done and the average is via for cycling and how well a cooler is able to soak the performance or the the heat load rather so we can actually see over time does the cooler do better or worse than its competitors that we're testing against and for this one let me check some of the temperatures here ambient is still about the same water temperature is still 30 or so so let's kind of bring this over here twenty nine point nine that is that visible and means reading a bit higher because I'm moving the thermocouple around right now but 25 when I'm not messing with it it's 25 and then also I'm just putting it in the air path and then 29.9 for the thermometer that's in the inlet of the reservoir up here so water temperature is actually pretty good right now and that's again because they're a radiator so going back over the parts if you're new a couple new people join the stream we have a three hundred sixty millimeter radiator with three 120 millimeter fans to fairly high end Corsair ones and very high on Noctua a 12 and those are blasting I think we're noise normalized to 40 DBA right now on the cooler so it is actually going to perform worse than if we maxed everything out but noise normalizing gives us a really cool data point that we can use to see how does this perform and what is the cooling efficiency at a given noise level for any any cooler on the benchmark so we'll compare these numbers to all the other 40 DB a noise normalize numbers momentarily and just going back over it again the tower cooler is back here it's got a couple of heat pipes that go or water pipes that go straight down and then we have our open-loop setup going to radiator into the pump and reservoir so that's the whole thing and I'll be able to share some numbers with you shortly this test is kind of nearing the end for the first run we allow it to run for I think it's 25 to 30 minutes or so something like that and that works very well to basically saturate any cooler thermally so we kind of make sure we run run up against the the limits of everything Charles Riley $2 if you use tap water how long for a cup of tea so that it's that a meme I feel like what's a meme I missing I'm sorry we use distilled water for it I'm sure that that doesn't play into the meme how did the test without radiators do while I can answer that so what does chat think here about about this thing we've got let me read you some numbers so let's look at 120-millimeter cooler so for a 120 we have actually let's look at a 140 the kraken x 4270 hundred RPM was at about 41 degrees delta T / ambien so how well do you think the pc cooler does where where would you place it just take a stab doesn't matter if you're right or wrong if we have an X 42 140 millimeter CLC at 41 delta T over ambient basically where do you think the PC cooler W 120 lands with no radiator above or below let's do that above or below the X 42 that's what I want you to answer and that's without the radiator so let me know what you thought your guess is for that most people are saying lower so when you say lower we should clarify that above or below in the literal sense as in if you say above it means a higher temperature not not higher up on the chart but higher temperature below a lower temperature so we're seeing a lot of hot icy hotter for sure lower above below above it's actually pretty evenly split right now more above below in ranking above and temps yep so all right with a fan on it yes with a fan on it and just no radiator no radiator no radiator fans all right so lots of hot hot hot just hotter than using a potato above thermal throttling below okay so what we ended up with let me see if I can find one of these charts yes so we've got a video that'll go live as the stream ends that you should all check out with the full review of this cooler but I want to pull up some of the results right now once the server lets me log in and we can go over how it did this one during this test it's still in the seventy seventy five seventy seven something like that so it's pretty hot right now I think that's for noise normalized at forty DBA and I'll pull up some of those numbers for you because it's it's pretty interesting and then we'll take it apart once we get through some of the basic testing so yeah w1 20 really fun to work with absolutely not something I'd end up recommend buying it is after all one hundred dollars and it took like five weeks to ship here from China so worth the wait absolutely worth a hundred dollars for anyone who's not streaming or making videos now definitely not and well unless you want just like a really unique piece of hardware that's not particularly good but there's plenty of that out there already so let's see results please server and in the meantime I'll get up the 40 DBA testing so let's let me login to this one more time also we have a couple of store purchases that I need to read out for for those of you who pick stuff up we appreciate it it's a huge support all right coolers a PC cooler hybrid charts and let's pull up the noise normalize chart we can we can zoom in on this where's my zoom there it is alright so so here we go you'll see these numbers in the proper video later is that okay on camera two got the video review coming out after the stream ends this is noise normalized so it's that forty DBA measured at twenty inches and that allows us to see how effective is a cooler as compared to it's neighbors if they're all set to the same noise level so if you have a cooler that's really quiet to a degree this one notwithstanding we can bring its fan speeds up and that'll allow us to let it cool better and if something's really loud because they use just loud poor design fans or something like that we're forced to bring the RPMs down EVGA CLC 120 is a great example to get 40 DBA we had the brand down to 1700 rpm from 2500 rpm so we're in the normal chart this would place much much higher because of brute force realistically you're not going to use fans with their 50 decibels is no one wants that so we normal normalize it for noise at 40 DBA and in this instance the EC LC 120 is that forty eight point seven degrees delta T over ambient the NZXT m22 one of the worst CLC's we've looked at recently fifty four point two degrees delta T over ambien the PC cooler w 120 with no radiator this is again 40 DB a fifty eight point two and that's even with our improved thermal paste so stock with their original thermal like plastic that they have this thing right here with that I it was like 10 plus degrees higher than what the thermal paste we use because it had cured this stuff was sitting on the shelf for so long that it just hardened and became useless so there's your results it's at the bottom of the charts and that's with no radiator let's look at do I have the result on here yes result with the radiator and with our standardized paste that one with a 360 rads at 45 or so so more than a 10 degree drop in thrall performance front what in a good way from the one without the radiator so I drop in two forty five yeah that's a 360 rad so now actual 360s are up here this is an ek Phoenix this is a proper open loop basically semi open loop 1400 RPM 40 DBA same noise levels 360 with I think Vardar fans and that's at 35 verses a phat pretty high-end thermal take radiator with high-end fans and just a bottlenecked cooler at 45 so about it degree difference and the reason for that difference is because of the cold plates so we become bottle necked on the cold plate which I hope we can show you as we take things apart and and we look at chat again now so yeah we become bottlenecks on the cold plate just because there's probably either there aren't micro fins in there or they're not very dense and that's where all the cooling performance comes from on the anything with water because if you just push water through a copper plate which I have a good example of that just push water through a copper plate like these these we'll talk about later then yes it will still cool it will still pull heat away but there's no service area in there it's just a channel if even that and we're relying on no big loss we rely on whatever service of copper the water can touch in the time that it's in this chamber before it gets pulled out so this is a great example of a water cooler that's while interesting not effective because there's no internal service area there no micro fins and I'm sure we have examples of those lying around here as well I think there might be one right here now I salvaged it so that's why the performance is the way it is but let me read a couple more notes from people and riffin rest in peace copper black yes yes and the we might test that one at some point okay couple more messages super chats while this is finalizing its test it looks like super chats we got one from PC gamers Hawaii internet cafe in eSports Center $20 thank you PC gamers Hawaii I suppose if you live in Hawaii I guess that's an eSports Center check it out maybe would you be interested in coming to a Hawaii convention to do a panel on custom computer building a custom loop etc and what's he requiring compensation well that would be a pretty expensive trip for us from the East Coast so send me an email I guess and we can figure it out but just flying there's pretty expensive let me know that send us an email got one from it's on in the contact form on the website Alex $2.00 can I put an ftw2 hybrid radiator on dry ice that's heat I mean you could like as in yeah as soon as possible can I put an ftw2 hybrid radiator on dry ice yes condensation might become a concern it's pretty well insulated already because I can't run out of that cooler contact 2v yes it does I think it does contact the vram be a copper plate that touches the pump block so be careful condensation but you can do it Justin Murphy $5 you should work with NZXT or any system monitor to incorporate external thermal sensors into an on screen display yeah we've actually there's a company that sent us some stuff that can do that I need to set it up though it uses a Raspberry Pi we might have something like that in the future our ml 37 $2.00 when will the x3 99 creation motherboard from MSI come out great question they didn't give us a firm date at Computex it was all basically uh they're still making some changes to it so we did a video on that motherboard if you haven't seen it it's actually a pretty cool motherboard it's the x2 99 creation it's an MSI board perhaps for basically threader for two and the reason it's interesting is because the entire top of the board is a hundred percent VR app because thread over two you're looking at something like 250 to 300 watt TDP depending I think on what the final spec is for the product but that's what the motherboard makers have told me they're specified they're building their prm's for and so if they're worried about that that vrm to handle that much heat load without having vrm thermal issues it's gonna be massive and they actually are starting to run out of physical board space really interesting motherboard but i do not know when it's coming out unfortunately I would assume close to August or in August does that's when threader for two launches Justin Murphy $4.99 can we get you know turn this on there we go can we get a teardown crystal that plugs into an RGB header maybe with some sort of mounting for inside a PC so this is the teardown crystal if you haven't seen it we gave these some of these away as awards I wrote on them autograph the bass wrote what the award was gave it to Noctua for having the quote least amount of RGB had a booth award that's what we gave Knox with this year I think they had zero RGB devices which is actually I really greatly admire and they asked when they got it he said does it have RGB LEDs so what a great irony that would have been our medium base has RGB LEDs for the medium-sized crystal the large one it doesn't rotate for the retail products but the large one has just white LEDs and we thought it looks better that way it looks really good lit up white but RGB headers a funny idea and if there's interest we could certainly look into it so a couple more super chats we'll get back to the testing Kenneth Madison gave twenty DKK I'm not sure what is DKK someone let me know so no rip ltte to this time no unfortunately not but i have been speaking with alpha cool about getting a chiller in so i'm hoping we can get a chiller in and Linus and team open invitation as soon as you're ready let me know we let me just tap the ground because this is three thousand dollars I'm about to touch so why not so this has been just lying there waiting lonely waiting for somebody to challenge it it's the Titan V that we used in the repel TT stream with the liquid metal removed mostly with the open loop cooler removed all that stuff and it's just it's you know Linus and Alex and anyone else that LTTE when you try to go to sleep at night I want you to think about how lonely and sad this Titan V is waiting for somebody to challenge it so that it can be brought back into action on another repel DT astrium for when we next need to compete for a high score in 3d mark which is about as valuable as points and whose line is it anyway Martin Parker last one reading for a moment $5 which would have better thermals a good liquid cooler or an air cooler where instead of using fans they're placed on the roof of the car going 70 miles per hour okay let's let's think about this we have to make a lot of assumptions here in physics there's the assume a spherical cow joke so we are going to do that which would have better thermals a good liquid cooler for an air cooler where instead of fans it's on the roof of a car going 30 miles per hour so you're pushing I suppose roughly 70 mile per hour wind effectively through the the cooler ah if we assume that everything else is equal and that the cooler can like mount and not be ripped off and stuff like that I guess it would depend on the heat load because ultimately you'll be limited to some degree do a car cooler video you'll be limited to some degree by the cold plate on the air cooler and how well it can bring that heat up to the fins because if you can't get the heat into the fins fast enough for all that air to really do its job then it's not gonna matter it's not gonna add any any real performance I do think that's a funny idea that oh and if we were a bigger media outlet like ltte perhaps we could actually test it but alas I don't know that I have the budget to do to do a CPU cooler on top of a car test cuz I'd probably take a lot of time to figure out really fun idea there I would have to say if I'm gonna pick a side I would have to say you know if it's a good air cooler like one of the Heian octo ones I think you could get them pretty close like maybe tied maybe slightly better with enough airflow if there's all that surface area and finden city and everything I think you would you would pass the radiator so next one that's okay that's it for now if you have more super chat or questions whatever send in a super chat I'll read it as we go through testing and stuff like that so this finished its test it survived it didn't crash to its credit and I will pull up some numbers for you and show what's going on with this thing so for let's pull up the all thermals chart this is a good one so we can pan over here I apologize for filming a screen however we will be publishing the video with this chart after the stream ends or towards the end of stream something like that so you can watch the full review of this particularly interesting cooler the PC cooler w 120 so this is our all thermals result chart how does that look on camera is that fairly readable and hopefully you can read it okay but I'll read it for you if not PC cool W 120 no radiator with the stock paste so as a reminder that's this thing the a2 allegedly 4 watt per meter Kelvin compound that has hardened into Plato so with that pasted without using our standardized paste its 57.2 degrees which is the worst thing we've tested on this chart short of things where we've intentionally handicapped them with lower fan speeds that puts it below this is with no radio remind you that puts it below the EVGA CLC 120 we're not noise normalize here so this is flat out this is the best anything can do unless we've limited the fan speed intentionally EVGA COC 120 though 1050 rpm so with the rpm cut by 1500 it's the same temperature that's pretty disappointing but if we replace the paste and go with standardized paste for us that's an ASA Tec compound with no radiator we are at W 120 is at 54 degrees Celsius over ambient which puts it about on par with the NZXT M 22 at 20 50 rpm which is not cooler we did not particularly like so there you have it next listing PZ cooler w123 60 millimeter radiator standardized paste is that 41 degrees over ambient and that puts it as comparable with a a 280 millimeter or the actually 280 millimeter at really low rpms or a coarser h100 IV to at 1500 rpm which is 41 degrees so 360 rata 3 and fans this is basically 300 plus dollars of hardware right here pump has everything you have to buy it all separately you only get the cooler for a hundred bucks performing worse than $100 CLC 240 millimeter so that kind of gives you an idea of where everything is I think that's the highest-scoring want on the chart for the PC cooler yes it is so that's that one see if I have a couple more charts here we can show me water temperature or something like that how do I scroll there we go water temperature so for this one what we're showing I'm gonna if you I'm gonna leave it that size if that's okay because otherwise the chart changing will break so this is water temperature zero to 100 scale this is without subtracting ambient so ambient temperatures 21 degrees Celsius during all these tests time on the bottom zero to I don't know about 2000 seconds or so and what you have is a great example of why radiators matter for this kind of thing because blue the blue line is the stock cooler standardized paste so using ours the good stuff and no radiator and that ends up a bit over 25 for starting and it starts kind of let's see peaking at around and I've got the numbers somewhere but maybe in the 30s or so somewhere around there actually it's a bit higher maybe 36 I think is what it came out to without a radiator and then the orange line is the original paste no radiator that had a problem because it's just not pulling the heat away fast enough the red line is the standard pay standardized paste with a 360 rad 3 high on fans and you can see it never really tips above 25 degrees Celsius so liquid temperature really matters and having a radiator changes that performance greatly so that that's pretty important metric these are the isolated tests for the PC cooler w 120 so this is just only the PC cooler w 120 the aliexpress special cooler we picked up and just to recap delta T / ambien stock pays 60 one no radiator 40db a normalised 58° stock with controlled paste 54 so these two 61 vs 54 you're at like a six degree difference or so for a bit more for going to a better pace than what they shift with because it was so old radiator 40 DBA so this is what you compare for this one actually oh yeah no radiator 40 DBA vs. radiator 40 DBA 45 verses 58 so the radiator helps significantly radiator 100% 41 so there's some numbers there noise levels we'll get into in that video it's not too impressive really it gets a bit loud though so that's some of the charts we've got a video will publish on all that but I think we can do maybe a teardown on this cooler or something like that hopefully during stream let me check is there a GN discord yes patreon.com slash gamers Nexus it will give you access to the discord if you go to the patreon API and linked your discord account that will give you access to our discord server where we have a pretty awesome community and I try to get in there as often as possible and hang out with everyone but it is a patreon access based it's it's one of the perks of patreon we got to give people something and it'd be overwhelming without that so if you want to join that's where you can do it we have a who is this the Martin or yeah the Martin one two three what CPU is it is Ice Cube happening today no ice cube today I'm sorry one day we'll have to do like an ice cube in reservoir stream because it's so highly demanded Jordan P $1 no message thank you Jordan pyro CF $2 can you break the tent here flat barrier with this gotta get that meme into you know now you can its having trouble at 160 watts for the 59 30 K I don't know that it can do the advertised 500 watts under like any circumstances this is a good one Marko 5 CHF hi Steve what's your personal home computer setup and how do you cool it it's awful it's an FX 8350 and the way I cool it is by underclocking it and under volt in it and that is how it is cooled it's killed two radiators at this or to CLC's at this point $2 from not tie ab do you use hair conditioner if so how often no I use thermal paste and every four hours so we're due soon alright so let me see if there there a couple of store purchases and then as we as we read through those I'm going to take this thing off and we'll start taking it apart so if you want to get a shout out with your name first name and your where you're from you can go to store that cameras in excess net we have our brand-new blue print shirt they're not too many of these in stock right now if they're popular today will will order some more but really cool blueprint design shirt for the GM logo we've got the tear down crystals of course as always behind me over here which we gave a couple out as awards at the show the vendors have to earn theirs but you can buy one and then we have the mod mat of course which is our most popular item right now and that's for a PC building modding stuff like that so Dean from Massachusetts bought the blue print shirt Thank You Dean you are one of the first I think five or six to buy one next one is un or Evan UN from the UK who bought also the blue print shirt and I think I got a low stock notice after that one because we were pretty limited on that run we sold another blue print shirt to Jason from California Thank You Jason very much hope you all like the shirts we were pretty happy with the design and then I think we've got one more in here to go through this one is Sean from New York who picked up one of the tear down crystal statues the medium size with LED base that's the RGB LED one which I should have given to Noctua just for irony and then the anniversary edition 15 ounce ceramic mug which I've got right here with some dead memory in it I hope I hope that hurts you all very much because that's probably was $200 memory at one point all right so I've got all all that all housekeeping is done with those let's get through what color do you have on the FX 83 currently I don't know I want to say it's like an ASA tech unbranded fat radiator 120 or something it's probably what I have on there so all right I think what we're gonna try and do is shut this down and see if it's gonna be feasible to take apart on stream and I should have gotten that no food bowl for this so let's see if we can actually take this thing apart live or not hopefully it's all just Phillips head or other tools that I have sometimes they use weird tools let's shut down all the stuff shut down the pump which is hooked up to a separate power supply don't mind that and let's remove the thermometer okay so now we just need we've got quick disconnects on this I've turned off power to the motherboard so if we leak a bit it's fine and I really like these qdcs let's hope they continue to work well today so for these these are the ek ones and I like them because it's a button push to remove instead of screwing like the Alpha cool ones so for this just clip and it's basically like one drop of water on either side so I'm just not gonna put it over the motherboard obviously but we should be good that's one half and then for the other half it's hooked up to the radiator also about one drop of water down on the ground okay so we're free we've still got water in there it will leak once I start taking it apart that's fine I just need to get the fan off disconnect it from the board and unscrew the cooler the fans pretty annoying to get off but not terrible one second and then we'll get this over on the main table for teardown so this by the way this is the fan since you couldn't see it during the stream peasy cooler branded fan including their logo and Chinese characters and it is the S model so if you want to buy it it's s and is this just like yeah so there you go PCB and some oil that's all it is as expected but not the highest quality fan it does push a lot of air it's just not it's not quiet and it's not particularly long-lasting bearings or any so what do I need a screwdriver to get this cooler off and then we can start taking it apart and I think we'll probably want to do another tweet or something and tell everyone that the surgery is about to commence assuming that's all using all bits that I have which I should so yeah peace eco W 120 didn't perform the greatest he saw some of the results will publish the whole video as the stream ends as I noted and now I haven't seen the inside yet so this is not something I've done I'm really curious to see if there are any micro fans in that cold plate at all assuming we can get in there without a hacksaw and I think we probably can one more screw so maybe we should do like a straw poll or something see what everyone thinks will be in this thing as I think I my instincts tell me no micro fins or basically macro fins I want to move this light back and we will see if those instincts are correct so the cooler is freed this is a yeah if you didn't see it in the last few I'm happy to show it to you so yeah there's your PC cooler W 120 take a good look at that while I I tweet out the URL and tell everyone we're about to commence surgery so surgery commencing on the Aliexpress water + air hybrid cooler about to tear it down live check it out here okay thank you for bearing with me cool okay so yeah there's our tubes and zip tied together these are the barbs and fittings that came with the thin so they're hooked up right now this was voted by the community to be what last time and you can actually see some of the sort of inlet manifold back here that was loose lacked last time and allow me to demonstrate exactly what's going on in there because that is where are we doing another vote for what fast foods to get again you know we should do that because every time people do super chats a lot of the time you know we've had people not quite sure what to say or ask for a super check in the rip Ltd stream especially and a lot of them decided to just tell us what food to eat with their money after the stream ended because Roy's very hungry after these streams end and typically it's been all kinds of stuff so if you want to get your vote and I guess do it go for it so these are the screws that were loose and this was what was ultimately part of the problem last time now part of it was because I didn't tighten this enough because it just I mean it wasn't hand tightening and some of the other fittings I work with do hand tighten very well but these needed a wrench so anyway some leaked out through there and then a lot was leaking out under this plate just along the sides because these were loose so I think what we need to do is just start taking screws out and see where it leaks I already obviously know it's gonna leak up here we'll have to drain this anyway so I've got my my drain Bowl downstairs what we can just grab one of these hopefully that's got enough volume although I doubt it and I think we'll just drain it drain it first see what would happen if you over tied these what do you mean over tied or tightened over tighten maybe if so you mean the screws if I over tighten the screws anything that happens when you over tighten a screw you maybe get some thread damaged or something but if it gets to a point where it's obvious it's plenty tightened all right so let's let's just start with the screws at the bottom cat don't forgot to clean the throne pissed off now I'm gonna have to clean it off the mod matte later that is what the mod matte is for after all as a hearty surface okay I'm gonna start with these screws if I can just because I these are the ones I have the least suspicion of in terms of leaking fluid I think these just hold in the mounting bracket so there is your mounting bracket complete with dried distilled water from leaky and last time and by the way if you're just joining and got another hundred people or so who just joined we just showed some thermal results for this I'll go over them again a bit just to recap but we have video going up separately later that will will basically be a review of this particular product and this is kind of stuck in there so I can get it out if I pull the hard enough I think but I think we're just gonna leave it for now and go for the next set of screws which probably we should just drain this at this point so let me where's can you grab the rip I guess I can get it actually the wire cutters to get those zip ties off you should probably be on the tool all at this point all right so let's cut this and hopefully we don't don't blow through this too fast for the volume but I think we're going to all right there we go the water-resistant Mod mat doing its work once again pretty well I'm glad it's only gonna get so much drainage out of this because it's way down there in the tubes there's some of the cold plate probably and then hopefully this will drain enough that I'm not gonna just get spilled on once I open the thing up and I will I will plug that mat again hush toward document access net pretty resistant to water as you can see here pretty resistant to heat as you can see in our previous videos and also a good thermal paste receptacle that I'm gonna have to clean later but it does clean fairly easily with soap and water so God is fairly drained let's go ahead and open up these the top screws now the ones that gave me trouble last time I think we're gonna get some more leakage out of here if I have to I can use the blue print shirt as a rag because why not although we do have actual shop towel but that wouldn't be self-promotion alright so there you go there's a nightmare now you have an idea of the screws that are holding this thing together it's very industrial it's kind of like the gigabyte GPU coolers wear or the yeah the video card coolers where they're just like really and and when I say industrial I don't mean high quality I mean it just looks like it was not designed with any kind of finesse so they've stuck some very large screws through here and this holds down that Inlet manifold which obviously hooks up to the heat pipe or to the water pipes that go to the open loop and also to the pipes below it let go through the cooler we might have some leakage we'll see it's probably drained most of it those aren't even machine screws law that looks like a wood screw you know yeah it does look like a wood screw it's got the pointy tip on it so I don't know if you're a machinist or you know about screws and traditional hardware feel free to grantham chat about the quality as you because you're probably gonna see things that I don't all right so that's been loosened and can come off there you go that's the source of a lot of our leaking originally this is like worse than I thought okay so metal screws and have pointy tips - yeah sure so see some corrosion on this first of all that yeah sure bye there wasn't wasn't Matt to be dismissive it was agreeing with you I say you have some corrosion on that and basically the water comes in through one of these comes out the other of course and we've got just these kind of cheap rubber gaskets basically on top of the pipe which I don't know if that's like a six that might be a six mil which should not be particularly large this is a six mil so this is a six millimeter basically heat pipe like one of these except it's been emptied out and you know the biggest question I have is did they leave in the normally there is something in the heat pipes like it's centered or a weave material or copper like the centered copper in there something like that and I think this one probably is just a straight pipe it's really blinding light I don't see anything there so they did actually remove whatever sintered or weave or whatever was in there previously or just not put it in more realistically and and you're left with that so let's pull these off and basically I don't know if this this block up here I don't know if it's got a partition wall I would certainly hope so but I don't know if I has a partition wall in between or not we could probably fish like something through there let's just see if I run into a wall I think there is a wall it as it is partitioned okay well that's good so his partition so you're not gonna have like hot and cold water mixing and going down the wrong tube so anyway it comes down these two it's not properly split flow how did it is split in down two pipes coming back up to other ones and take apart the rest of it if we can I really want to see what's in the cold blade so that's our next objective here we've got a lot more people joining outreach all right all right read my super chat read my super chat so what does your super chat say gotta gotta give me time to go between these things let's see Douglas em two dollars do you play any PC game still not a whole lot I don't have time with running the site and the channel I try to whenever I can I played a couple on the way while I played some San Juan on my phone on the way back from Taiwan Vincent Van Region $5 put wood on roof so this is for that car if you were here earlier someone asked a great question of what would be better a good liquid cooler or a an air cooler on a car going 70 miles per hour with all the assumptions that it'll still work fine is just gonna be on a on a car at 70 miles an hour so Vincent had a suggestion for that and that was put wood on the roof strap down the would put motherboard on the hood using screws using a 12-volt DC to 110 volt AC adapter car with Sun roof roof cooler idea totally get you it would certainly be interesting it's basically going like later seasons of Mythbusters extreme style at that point I don't know I will think about it one day it would certainly be interesting have to rent like actually a kind of nice car for that although I don't know we just won't tell them we strap the computer to the roof I guess not tie a $2.00 doner kebab thank you not tie up I guess we've got our first suggestion on what we're supposed to eat later today and a dracs whole gaming last one I'm gonna read before we get back to this and dracs all said for five bucks I placed my signed g on tear down crystal on computer I get 20 more PS now in most games is it the crystal or the signature thanks Tech Jesus it's the signature it's just the power that my pens have and if you actually do have a sign to tear down crystal you're one of the few because I think I only sign maybe three of those before we basically decide that this is a lot of a lot of work to sign these things because they're issues with like trying to get it so doesn't smear and stuff like that because the material of the tarragon crystals so you're one of maybe three or four people who have that and then we discontinued the signature model otherwise you can get the mod mat for the signature at this point I think that's the only thing we sell it on it is the mod mats are offered signed so that's the super chat so let's look at the next few iswhat is this I'm going to read this normal chat first Augustus said a train leaves Taipei at 3:00 a.m. averaging 50 miles per hour another train headed in the same direction leaves Taipei at 4 a.m. averaging 70 miles per hour at what time will the second train overtake the first train I'll let you guys go ahead and work that out okay so there are four screws down here we probably see two on the other Sun the opposing side of where I am and I'm trying to get them out without stripping anything but it is forcing me to go in at an angle so that's kind of not the best I don't think this will easily come off I probably probably like warp it off of there although it's not really in our way right now so is there a better way to dismantle this I guess I could take like the thin stack off maybe one at a time if it's not soldered that'd be kind of a pain in the ass I think it would be doable although we might hit the heat pipes notice that is some quality aluminum right there check that out okay how stuck down we can we probably just dismantle this one fin at a time if it's not gonna take two on and then that would allow me to make sure I don't strip those screws hammers are good for dismantling things weight strapped the pc to a plane and there will be bloodletting soon yes this mod man i'm working on right now has evidence of bloodletting from previous efforts one of which was with this cooler alright so i don't know this is kind of stuck on the cap of the heat pipe is it the cap it is the cap i might be able to just get this off and then the rest should be easier i think you might be right about the bloodletting i don't know what it is with our fans and wanting to see my blood spilled and streams but you guys really really seem to want that every time we do one okay this thing is not gonna go back together the same way that came apart although it might it might go that might be that'll be okay it's very uh very flimsy aluminum it'll shape right back into place how much for a blood-soaked Abad net there you go there's the counts I was talking about that's gonna be extra so get some corrosion in there almost looks like oil but it is it is I think just corrosion of some kind might be oil residue maybe when they manufactured it if they don't clean it off actually in our Leon Lee factory tour you'll see how they have basically a giant washing machine for case components to clean the stuff off as it goes through manufacturing because it will get oils on it from all the oils used to lubricate the tools and keep them cool and clean them so they actually wash it off and I'm guessing not all manufacturers do that is this glued on and is there one for every plane no there's not one for sure there's only one of these I think it is in fact glued into place which is very annoying nope okay it was just hardened into place from dried from tried water that leaked previously from the the previous attempt where the top was leaking and also the hose the G quarter-inch fittings one at a time on this this is gonna be a pan I need like a ruler or something where's your ruler let's see if this makes it easier if it fits doesn't fit okay well I might go nah we can get this off I think I might go the route of just unscrewing the bottom and hoping that it doesn't strip because the angle is really bad basically so you can see the problem I'm having here I want to take these off but at that angle I'm worried that with others bloodletting worried that I'm not gonna be able to get the torque I need yeah oh yeah that's gonna strip so I think we're gonna have to go down get access to it properly okay do we have a thinner like file or something will this fit that's not gonna be a good tool what do I have over there that's thin not much let's see go with a knife add some danger to it let's just give this ruler another shot see if I can kind of pry it off at the edges there's some water still in there that I'm getting contact with right now problem is it's just it's well first of all if you were wondering if these were soldered they are not clearly and secondly they're just kind of pressure fitted to the heat pipes so or press fit I should say not pressure fit press fit two to the stack and to the heat pipes and speaking of press fit I was talking to knock two about their manufacturing and how we really want to do a tour but unfortunately I think they don't show a lot of it because of trade secrets but I know that that we were just talking about their press fitting operation for how they get the fin stacks mounted to each other this is going to take too long I think I'm gonna get this one off and then evaluate the next one if it looks like it's the same pan and he has to do we're just gonna try and go with the screw approach on the bottom flat head and bend it you know that's not a bad idea I need a bigger flathead now let's try this I guess okay got one side you got the other side just we're just gonna commit to bending these at this point how much we're paying knots here so someone said don't cut yourself too late for that but now all of you freaks you want blood-soaked mod mats can be happy alright get off this side come on is it ice it can be like this all the way down I think it is what a pain in the ass that's gonna be although we can't see the heat pipe quality at this point let me get this one off and we can look closer out how the heat pipes look come on alright just bash the fins out of the way yeah couple of heat pipes off yeah we can do that to you Oh someone's quoting motherboard the I bled for this thing that was a great one can you grab me let me get yeah it's almost off he grabbed me the craftsman red and black screwdriver in the case testing room I think Patrick was working with it earlier that will be much easier to work with and while Andrews grabbing a better tool for me just break it yeah this pace cord doing we could do pliers - on your way back can you grab the red pliers there - thanks alright Saran just grabbing tools alright so heat pipes exposed at the top you can see see the copper bit there and then I guess that's just a nickel plating at the tip of it and he's grabbing some other tools for me and I think we'll just bend the crap out of it at this point just cuz who cares buy another one if I really want it so throw on performance by the way on this if you missed it if you're new here and didn't catch the first part of the stream it was not significant so the bronze is really not great we saw basically performance equivalent to about a 120 millimeter closed-loop liquid cooler if you're curious that's kind of what we were looking at thank you okay that's throwing it don't want to take forever taking fins off so let's see if we can just kind of break stuff and make it go faster there we go that's not bad okay cool much faster very nice yeah so rip w1 20 I suppose if we want to test anymore we'll have to buy another one at this point but it has served its purpose and the full review video will go up after the stream ends if you do want to see the performance in a condensed fashion and not have to go through the stream DVR or anything like that this is really that's faster but it's not better all right let's try just going out this from an angle one more time these screws are super tight though yeah damn okay is there a better way to get what I want no other than a right angled Philips head which I unfortunately don't think I don't think I have one of a Phillips one or zero sighs we have a vise it's in a garage all right drive a bit and crescent wrench salt and Bend the fins we can do that too use a hammer that's it's really how can I help it can we just cut through these with this is that gonna be strong enough that's not bad I've got better tools I guess I can start pulling them out from the garage or something do we we don't have bigger we have wire cutters or like big cable cutters over there I don't think so now you get to see the true disgust destruction of the PZ cooler w1 20 rip I think they still have a couple we were probably one of the only people who ever bought one of these was sitting on a shelf for ages hundred bucks from aliexpress showed for seven years ago and this is how it ends but the performance just wasn't that great so I'm sorry I might go grab another tool depending on how this answer this one do you see a any bigger wire cutter or act like big cable cutters on that shelf I don't know if I had any okay please don't let that Toby close I don't care who cares about that gloves bolt cutters and cut the heat pipes yeah I guess you could do that too and I don't know if I have any bolt cutters I really just want to unscrew the screws but they're gonna strip because they're in it so these down here they're not such an angle I don't have a right angle to Philips head unfortunately I guess I should buy one at this point all right there we go we get some table wobble and then I'll read super chats about here's a donation for the wobbly table fund which I had some ideas on potentially doing one of those sort of like automated raising and lowering tables because I'd really like to get one of those especially for the set just because it'd be it'd be so much easier to do like unique shots and stuff okay so this is gonna take ages there are a lot of these I basically need a saw at this point and if I saw straight down the middle I guess you'd really just go through the heat pipes now we can do a heat pipe this action too which would be interesting to see if these are centered or weave or whatever oh is that turning that turned that's actually turning okay might be able to say it was some time apply enough force and it will budge yeah okay cool there's one screw out almost that place to get the other ones out too so one this one is also turning barely got like one shot there are I'll strip nice okay I can save us all some time here I really want to see you know we should do a straw poll or something if there are micro fins in this cold plate or not okay go to apply pressure again okay this one is also it's raining all right good news I'm gonna have one more and I hope it separates the way I think it will I really do don't want to take off all the fins one more and then I might have to loosen them all one more turn channels no offense you know yeah let's um let me start a strawpoll here and wipe the sweat off let's do a strawpoll one second and I'll post this in chat strawpoll will the cold plate have any micro fins channels channels and fins no fins touch panels orphans okay okay create poll share copy URL alright here you go here comes a strawpoll take a vote on that let me know what you think is gonna be in there and in the meantime because ambient temperature is pretty high in here from that thermal test earlier here's the new GN blueprint shirt on stored I cameras next to Staton that doubles as a sweat rag you can't buy that one let me know what you think I'm gonna push that straw poll one more time maybe all that pry and loosen the screws I don't think ha I had desperation loosen the screws come on bastard I just picked the worst one originally I think that's that most risk of stripping so that's gonna really suck let's get these the rest of the way starting to separate a bit these screws in the bottom now oh yeah I didn't show this earlier check that out there was this thing is like pitted and bitter corrosion by pitted and there we okay really just not a great cold plate so that's a lot of our thermal performance limitation right there so not the best cold plate hey that screws out I think so get there we go so here's a look at the screws that are in there actually also corroded you can see some brown discoloration on the threads and a camera might not be able to focus we'll see can you give it a shot so there's some discoloration on the threads give us one second to dial it in there it is so overall they did they mix the metals and and that's apparent by looking at this corrosion and blood looks good in camera thank you haha so yeah mixing metals not even once I'm curious to see if the if it's cold if it's corroded inside the cold blade too there's the next one is this corroded oh it's gone the answer was yes this one's almost out we got one more after this one and it's gonna be the worst of them all okay I think we got it no yes also corroded on that one everything's corroded so one says I hope the cameraman is having a great day it fled with shame yes it certainly did it's gone okay okay that was a good house it gets shy hopefully it picked up on camera when it flew out of the screws or out of the pliers last damn screw this one is gonna strip I can feel it just apply a lot of force please cooperate it's cooperating okay so what we're doing now is dismantling the PC oh that's really stripping it is coming out though the PC cooler w 120 from aliexpress we did a thermal test on stream I showed some thermal charts for performance we have full review that's going up as the stream ends the performance his suspect at best and I suspect that the the poor side of performance comes down to this cold plate that we're hopefully gonna get access to with this screw-up but I'm not sure if these are holding it all and that's also crude and no big surprise at this point so the question is what the hell were those holding in and was it actually the accept plate on this okay screws pretty long yes and it was definitely holding on to this so what do I just need to pry it off now and then I think we can see the inside no micro oh yeah I should check the the straw pool let's check the straw pole first before I pull that off you're gonna have to cut the pipes yeah I might be correct especially if they're soldered so let's see what the results are straw poll results 412 votes and they say so 39% think there will be channels 37% think there will be no channels or fins so just like an empty hole a block 17% said no fins and 8% think channels and fins you guys really don't have high hopes for this thing and and you really don't see that don't don't seem to think that it's gonna be a high quality design I'm disappointed frankly but you don't think this cooler that's never made it to mainstream markets it's gonna be any good so am I going to have to cut the pipes I don't think so because you can see there's actually a seam between them so as long as they're not soldered then I should be okay whether or not they are soldered is it's going to depend on the quality micro fen not fens a single fin someone thanks we'll be in there macro fin as we've called it in the past I don't I don't know just this that looks soldered to me oh yeah I think that's definitely Dan what I might have to do to get that a flathead man how much is this cheap then it's a hundred bucks believe it or not so where's the here's the top of it you missed that part this basically sits on the top and it is a so you got in Inlet and outlet here and it splits between four hoses four pipes not heat pipes copper pipes I think and that's it that's all there is to it goes down and comes back up and theoretically remove some heat on the way okay so what are the give me some real suggestions how are we getting this off at this point spudger the pipes themselves go under the plate and the plate has those four tubes on it so it won't come apart that is true suggestions everybody on getting this last piece off now that we've gotten all the screws out like real suggestions not just hammer come on blowtorch hammer and high flathead Hammer hammer strong hammer hammer time use a gun garbage cam that's probably the best suggestion I've seen so far where are the legitimate suggestions vacuum we don't have the dyson unfortunately hydraulic press okay chisel hammer too many too many suggestions blowtorch we could try that I guess heat gun we do have heat guns they're going too fast now heat gun heat gun heat gun we have it back here I do have it back here we could try that take off the mounting hardware you mean this thing I don't think that's stopping us from anything at this point unless they're screws in there that I can't see which I don't think there are no there are no more screws in there yeah that's not in the way at this point oh there we go well that part was easier than expected Mountain Hardwear it's gone no screws and it's weak so I don't know if they use an adhesive or a solder we could certainly blast it with a heat gun we might kind of trip the brake or depending on how much power we start using with the heat gun and everything else soldering iron me with heat gun and a flat head all right no he reads only super chats while I think about if I want to do a heat gun on this or not okay so sergeant it's $5 mounted a PC on a J 2 cents math mount a PC on J's two cents car do a video and get on the hit amount of subs something tells me he's not gonna want to let us do that use the oven don't plug the heat gun in the same outlet thanks we only have one circuit in this room Dennis rigged in $5.00 ratcheting the offset screwdriver it's basically a wrench but it fits driver bits oh yeah you know that sounds like a great idea I am going to get one of those thank you for the suggestion I would probably be able to fit that into that tight space I was working with earlier okay Oh someone says they saw a fifth screw in the middle did you in the middle of the plates I don't see a fifth screw in there I don't think there's a fifth screw in there okay we get back to reading a few more of these try a small thin screwdriver pressure between the wedges all right a couple more to read or one more to read Leon course off $2.00 thank you very much oh my god ponytail tech Jesus sorry Cole okay have Patrick hold the pin stack and use a hammer with a punch to knock the plate out that sounds like something we should use a vice for instead okay so we'll give the we'll give the heat gun a try I'm gonna go through a couple more through these store orders and that will get to that store orders Theodore from California purchased the blue print shirt Heather a true royal blue print shirt that's this one that I have right here which is currently covered in sweat and uh this is not the one you are receiving just to be clear and also another one bought two blue print strips thank you very much Theodore for the purchase of the brand-new design think we're almost out of stock on those already but we'll order some more immediately Devon from this is Hawaii from Hawaii purchased a medium teardown crystal I've got the top right there that smaller one is the medium with RGB vase and the mod mat thank you very much for the mod mat purchase those are still still pretty popular and we have another round coming in within a couple of weeks so if you get your order in soon for the mod mat that's stored on Cameron's axis that it is what we think is the highest quality mod met in the market right now so if you're looking for a high quality build service you can grab that on the store and then a trowel see I've seen your name a few times from Iceland to picked up a blue print shirt and that brings our stock down quite low on those thank you all for those purchases okay all right so let's get back to this thing and see what cut the heat pipes and hit the block with a sledgehammer oh yeah there you go sweat is worth more DNA clone okay what were the screws okay what were the screws even doing someone says use a vise yeah it's so like the problem every time we get into this kind of stuff is a lot of that hardware is on a different floor and we can't really stream it if we do that it's like I can if I really want to be proper about it we'll have to cut and I'll have to go do it film it separately and bring it back for a upload reciprocating saw off the spin stack then get a flat in there I do think that's probably the smartest approach is to start cutting through the pipes or the fin stack and I that is something I would probably want to do as an upload as opposed to a stream because I like I said different floor and we're not gonna be able to move the whole rig and everything so that's unfortunate but there is no other screw in there let's just do something kind of simple here and let me just poke at this and see if that looks like it's going to give because that'll at least confirm what I think which is that it's soldered in which case we'll need some heat I think okay I'm pretty sure that is solder in there yes let's give it let's give a heat gun a shot I don't know what kind of temperature will have the pleasure if will trip a circuit but we can give it a shot the very heat gun that we use is handy in the mod mat testing yeah I don't think a heat gun will be hot enough either if it's actually solder but I don't I don't know I have a torch I have trammels with many cutting discs yes we have all that stuff just different area you heat it to above 250 degrees Celsius it should drop okay all right that's just reading it oh yeah this is gonna be a bit loud sorry I don't know what I can do about that really if anywhere I can plug this in yes we can push more power through that thing let's see if we trip a circuit breaker say we've only got one circuit in this room so I was powering a computer right now alright it's not a heat gun it's a hairdryer and before breaker trip it might happen I'm just reading chat before it cuts out all right let's see I'm just like the entire thing's gonna heat up so don't touch it yeah I'm just not going to is my solution to that if you have a drama what we do okay so here's what we're gonna do I wanna point the heat gun at it and see if we get a budge because there's still a chance it might be like an adhesive and it just kind of falls apart if it doesn't budge which i think is the most likely outcome here so I don't think this will get hot enough or will trip the breaker because we're running the streaming pc it doesn't budge and we trip the breaker and go down then what I'll do is publish the review video for this cooler immediately so check the channel as soon as the stream goes down I'm tripping the breaker or as soon as I conclude and say we're not gonna be able to open it until I can get in there with tools in the garage and I think that'll sum it up so let's see how we do and yeah I see your messages about cutting the heat pipes first I do like I said tools elsewhere for that what is this and this it only measures in Fahrenheit so I need to convert can you get your phone and do a couple conversions for me Fahrenheit Celsius thank you why does everything spike towers still running is that a good sign yes but yeah it's a it's not that hot yet so it's not at scorched resetting 200 degrees Celsius for 82 for ni okay thank you very much I appreciate that so we're currently set the 6:40 coming out of a heat gun let's just see what this gets for us can you type in 640 Tapan the non-covered part in the bottom left and it should move towards the fender area nan cover part in the bottom left do you mean that this part toward the fender yeah takes a second up breaker to get up and trip you're absolutely correct I don't think we're there yet there so we're currently pushing 340 degrees Celsius at it good way to go offline streaming with a zoomin on the heat vibes I mean I think hopefully we'll be ok here Thanks it's something they wanted take that back up there we go all right so let's give this a moment hopefully it's doing something we'll find out sooner if it said he said or anything just bought a shirt at the gym story thank you very much let me is shim it okay so while this is going I'm gonna try and like read some of the other corporate and stuff hopefully I can point it at it accurately enough got an order from Austin the name Austin from Wisconsin and that was the graft logo shirt thank you very much Austin for that we certainly appreciate it and do we have any super chats and it's a read here's an i-9 more effective than than be a heat gun yet probably is you only need to move the cover plate take a flathead and a torch and fly the cover plate off yeah that's what we're gonna try okay I don't think they're running your super chasse I'm very very disappointed at it although I don't blame you so all we're trying to do is get this picking hope plate off so I can see what's under there it's gonna take in a minute to heat up and everything I like the jokes here about how I can pull 500 watts of heat so have you missed it earlier the back of the box says this thing can do 500 Watts TDP in reality and the Gunma at the water plate not the bottom plate came from the side you mean like over here so in reality we had like a hundred and sixty watts getting pulled by it and it was in the 70s degrees Celsius for the CPU temperature so I don't believe that it's gonna do 500 watts I think that system it's you can use the boring company is that not a flamethrower all right haha okay so we're just trying to see if the solder melts or not gonna give it a bit more time for this though stunt was like out of the box almost to me you'd be surprised so any is that too impatient or has there actually been some movement see if we catch this nice shirt on fire I don't think there's been any movement unfortunately put your wrist on your mat aim up on ya Oh a little bit of movement there it's very hot hmm-hmm-hmm more heat yeah I think so okay I need more heat more heat so I have a sharper edge for this not really yeah I think we might have to resort to some better tools which are going to be used off stream if that's the case dan let's just try more heat first let's see if more heat works she 10 still has a lower TDP than in tiles 28 core CPU that's possibly true see if we trip trip the circuit or not right blast the water pipes no the heat pipes why I was going for where the solder is connected do you think it's connected somewhere else I guess where do you think right there clothes are cheated from the top you guys mean like this that would make sense I suppose let's try that so once where are you we're breaking things I know that's not about idea line it on its side yeah okay so Andrew can you grab for me the thermocouple reader and the one thats on that bench right there and I just just rearranging stuff guys one second thank you some a couple reader what do you bring the black version of the news tree you know we've had a couple of people ask if there's that much interest we can right now we're just doing the blue cuz the whole idea was that it's a blue print shirt and I really wanted a hot black shirt on the store cuz everything we sell is a black t-shirt basically other than like the mod mats and the crystals and stuff so I if there's a lot of demand for a black shirt then he'll do a black rose when he burns his shirt yeah we are not that hot on this thing over here what's our temperature here only like okay there we go it's right like a hundred and something right now yeah needs to be a hotter Potter harder well it's time which was like a hundred hey plans that frequency sound measurements to new fan reviews yeah kind of the I really do want to do a like a noise of frequency spectrum analysis but I don't know that we're going to be able to properly without some external help I'm figuring out the best way to do it there we go getting up to like 140 150 now that's looking pretty good yeah I don't know this we'll see I don't know if this law expose the the part I want to expose but I certainly hope so right like 140 C on this and it doesn't look like it's getting any looser so that might have to be resolved separately I do see heat like bloom effect though so you might have to do a separate video to fully remove this thing yeah sorry by your ears all right I think let's uh let's call it here and let's see if we made any progress I don't think we did but either way you got to see some of the more important parts which is some of the performance and some of the the top part open I just refresh the stream oh yeah okay cool daaamn end I really want it's like wants to move I'm just pullin at it because I can grab part of the edge so I think we might cut this here thermal shock and cold water great idea yeah that's not just anyone all right well anyway let's hold this part and what we can do for the rest of this is I'll show you the rest of the thermal results for anyone who missed it earlier and we'll also get through publishing pika a little dangerous to touch right now publishing the video so let's walk through what we've learned so far and I will I'll figure out the rest of this separately once I can go get access to my real actual tools downstairs we can figure that out so here's what we got this goes on the top up here like that and this hooks up to four water pipes that's very hot still hooks up to four water pipes which had some leakage issues in our first stream and that's because these four screws were loose and if you want to see what the new screws look like they're these huge ones right here so those go in through here and those hook into the top of the thin stack and that's that's shipped too loose so these fittings are stock with it they came with it we use them as you all voted in the previous stream and then we had our open-loop setup on the bench so we did a 360 radiator and one without a radiator and that was all the testing so let's let's look again at some of the test data here and go through some of that just to show you how it performs if you're curious because it's not it's not impressive where is it here it is okay so let's get a shot of these charts one more time so if you missed it and I think somebody did a couple of hundred new viewers here these are are the results for the PC cooler w 120 which we've partially disassembled I got stuck at the part I really want to see but I'll figure it out Oh figure it out with with some extra effort later and we'll show you all what it looks like so these are the results at 40 decibels noise normalized and that allows us to see kind of the efficiency of each cooler at a fixed noise level so they can't cheat just by having faster fans pzw 120 no radiator 58 degrees as opposed to the EVGA CLC 120 at 1700 rpm so 40 DBA which is like 48 49 degrees so a CLC 120 10 degrees advantaged that's not even if that's like a 60 $70 part and this PC cooler w 120 is like a hundred bucks before you factor in the pump and rez combo so what then if we add a 360 rad to it we get up to with our standardized space forty four point eight degrees which is a bit worse than outside of error the X 42 at 40 DBA not impressive a proper 360 grad up here the MLC Phoenix at 40 DBA 35 degrees just to give you some perspective so not the best color we've looked at noise levels I think we have them on here yes this is a bit small but stock fan it was forty eight point five DBA when maxed out at one hundred percent which puts it right around the Phoenix at 2150 rpm with three fans bar at our fans here the isolated test will skip past these and go instead to the full tests so this gives you an idea and again I'll publish this video in about a couple minutes here this gives you an idea how it compares the rest of the stack so we did some of these test live they validated actually about the same as all these numbers and PC cooler w 120 this is the one we tested today on the stream for that first hour so we ran some tests on it and it had no radiator with the stock pace that it comes with this stuff right here it comes out to 57 degrees which is steel C 120 with a fan that 15 higher rpm lower than its max not impressive the PC cooler w 120 360 radiator standardized paste forty-one degrees for the 360 and that is comparable to the coarser h100 iv2 at 1500 rpm which is 41 degrees so again really not an impressive cooler but a lot of fun to work with water temperature is a bit of a problem the orange line is the original paste no radiator and it just kind of kept climbing blue line and test obviously cut off here but the blue line is the stock setup no radiator just straight to a pump and res with standardized paste still on the 30s high 30s for that red line is with the radiator so you can really see the effect of a radiator with some extra fans because it just wasn't getting rid of that heat for the in the liquid so that's what we have for the charts and I'm going to go ahead and get that video published like now so we can start pushing people over there if you have purchased anything in the last 30 minutes or so let me or submitted super chat or anything let me read off your orders thank you again for supporting us so we got an order from Jeremy from the UK for a mod Matt thank you very much Jeremy we'll have those in very soon so the the orders will be going out shortly probably couple weeks for the next round of mod Matt Carlos from Florida purchased a Raglan hoodie Thank You Carlos for that we really like those hoodies are great for cool weather or early summer weather basically that the the best end for its use and then we got a couple super chats as well I think so we got a Douglas M $5 heat gun still has lower TDP than Intel's 28 core CPU $2 from Ace of Spades it's the only way a chick-fil-a launch thank you very much commands o says will you bring a black version of the new shirt think we answer that if I keep using it to interact with this then yes if there's interest they will do it and let's see now is the hammer part Steve Vincent says hold down heat pipes and pull from water pipes that's probably good idea yeah so what we're going to do for the rest of this is get tools from not in this room and take apart the rest and show you so what I do now is publish that video if you are on YouTube which you are watching this head over to the channel I've just published the authentication expired thank you very much YouTube I appreciate the assistance I'm going to be publishing this review right now and I'll post a link in chat will publish the article momentarily after it if you prefer in text format and that's going to have all the results from today's testing and from from the testing I did beforehand so let's see if that publishes yes it did publish all right go check it out brand new video and let us know what you think of that that ku those cooler results 20 bucks from Daniel killing thank you very much keep up the good work lads thank you alright so there's a link to the new video go check it out that's the review of this thing we'll have to take it apart separately get into that cold plate and see what's really in there sorry we couldn't do it today but I did my best with the tools we had here the interesting thing we did get to learn this is no longer scorching hot is that all the screws are corroded it's like every single screw in this thing that we took out is corroded and that's because they mix the metals and they were touching water parts with water this has some corrosion on it cold plate has corrosion on it everything has corrosion on it water comes in this pipe goes down the the four water pipes and then you've got heat pipes the root for the rest so it's interesting I liked working on it but it is not something we recommend buying check out the review melt the solder it will fall apart yeah well we'll do it I'm just going to do that with proper tools in the garage and we'll get back to you on it so there you go there's the link to the video check it out compare the temperatures now that it's all destroyed yeah I think this is no longer valid for testing okay guys as always you can go to store it on cameras Nexus dotnet to pick up some of our products helps out directly our brand new blueprint design shirt is up there and assuming this one hasn't become scorched held up so there you go thermally tested against the W 120 and also a sweat rag for the stream so that's the new blueprint shirt you pick it up on store like a mis-text it's not net probably low on stock so if we're out of those check out the graph logo shirts or our mod mats and our crystals that we've had here in the background as always oh yeah so on oh yeah it's got the ad in it for the shirt right so once a three-d turning shirt oh my god like thank you I'm glad you like the 3d shirt and the ad alright thanks for watching go to a patreon.com/scishow and axis or just the channel and check out this review it's live now and we're gonna close out the stream figure out the rest later in terms of dismantling it and I hope you had some fun with it yeah I'll see you all next time