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if you had a time machine what year would you go back to a correct answer is 2016 so that you can invest in cryptocurrency and system memory and also GPUs because two of those investments have increased a few X in just this last year the ignoring cryptocurrency which we don't need to talk about that because it catalyzed the other one but either way right now today this video card a gtx 1070 gaming ax from msi costs about nine 800 to 900 dollars 800 on a really good day and although the stock sometimes does refill if you can catch it you get it at closer to MSRP 400 or so 450 maybe that's pretty uncommon and it's wishful thinking that any more than a couple people will ever find those deals so in all likelihood in reality you're probably paying several hundred dollars more for a ten seventy then you should be to the point where it has become the same price as this card a 10 80 TI when it launched before that this video is brought to you by the gamers Nexus at patreon and our patreon backers you want to help us out directly you can go to patreon.com/scishow and check with the GN team or you can support us at five dollars or higher and get access to behind the scenes videos as we release them once or twice a month learn more at the link in the description below so for this video this one was a comment or suggestion on one of our previous videos about GPU and memory prices and the suggestion was do a $1000 build at MSRP versus a $1000 build at today's current prices and that was actually a great idea we upped it a bit we went to 1500 to give us some room because memory and GPUs are so insanely expensive so we went to $1500 that was our limit pulled components from our shelves and basically the goal was what can you fit in $1500 today versus at either launch prices or the lowest available prices in recent history so for memory for example actually we'll just go through the whole specs from memory this one's pretty painful the g.skill to buy 4 gigabyte ddr4 thirty two hundred megahertz pretty good memory was $45 at its lowest in 2016 today that kid of memory is more than a hundred dollars it's between 100 and 140 depending on where you buy it and when the video card if you buy a GTX 1080i in the back here would have been at its lowest $700 for an EVGA 1080i SC not the icx card 700 bucks from B&H photo for actually a significant a period of time and now those cards are $1500 so that's where the market is today that that one card today would blow our entire budget for this $1500 proposed PC build let's go through the specs and then run some benchmarks there's no real point to this content other than to make everybody feel bad about how expensive everything is you're welcome so for the specs the current price build is using a gtx 1070 gaming X we found one for $800 obviously didn't buy it because we already have one but 800 bucks absolutely do not buy this card for that much money and that's a cheap one they tend to go 850 to 900 we also found a CPU an 80 600 K at around the correct price $260 and paired it with $110 e 370 board pretty cheap board and then memory was 104 dollars for 8 gigabytes at ddr4 2800 so we had to step it down a bit if we compare these specs to our MSRP or lowest price in the last couple years build we have a $700 GPU so let me just kind of just point this out that's a $100 cheaper than the 1070 and it's like three full classes above it and performance so a $700 GPU and then we also saw the 8700 K for 370 dollars we were able to fit a hundred total board into the budget it's an ultra gaming board not my favorite motherboard out there for Z 370 but it's one we had and then ram here's a here's a fun one ram 50 bucks actually technically at its lowest it was about 42 for this particular kit of 2 by 4 gigabyte ddr4 3200 memory from g.skill today more than a hundred bucks actually for a while that kind of memory was 70 so it was 42 at the best 70 for a long time then it skyrocketed pick anywhere in there you got a big disk on verse today in fact the at the same price point today for eight gigabytes of ddr4 2800 you could two years ago have gotten 16 gigabytes of ddr4 3200 which is pretty sad to think about so the the big thing here with these builds is the extra room afforded by the more reasonably priced to GPU allows us to go from an 80 600 K to an 80 700 K obviously allows us to get a better GPU significantly better and a better motherboard so i can sustain better overclock it gives us a little bit of room to play for a cpu cooler of some kind not an expensive one but a decent one and then you could probably get a slightly better power supply as well we just stuck with a and assumed a $60 PSU cost for these we'd recommend a bit better at $1500 but we're trying to keep some stuff simple so that we can match the two builds against one another so let's let's get into the benchmarks and allow the slaughter to commence destiny 2 starts us off for a DirectX 11 title at 1080p and highest settings our MSRP build with the 1080 I was bumping up against a 200 FPS limiter so the average would actually be higher than what we can show here if we could have exceeded the 200 FPS cap regardless we're still averaging 179 with lows respectively at 125 and 111 fps the current price build including the CPU overclocked variant landed at 136 137 FPS average this leaves the MSRP build a lead of about 30% which is actually quite low compared to the next test that we're going through at 4k and still highest settings our MSRP build is about 60% ahead because we're not limited by the FPS cap anymore making 77 FPS averages and nearly 60 FPS at low as possible thanks primarily to the would be $700 1080i by contrast the currently priced 800 de $150 gtx 1070 operated an average of FPS with it low is falling to 40 the framerate difference is perceptible and definitely noticeable Sniper Elite 4 provides us a highly optimized DirectX 12 title something rather rare right now for this one at 1080p we saw average frame rates of 225 FPS for the MSRP build stretching the limits of the CPU and the GPU jointly toward the upper end of the build the current price build ran at 138 FPS average depending on overclock resulting in the MSRP build leading by about 61% 4k shows similar results scaling with the current price to build exhibiting occasional tearing while the MSRP build operates a frame rate in excess of 80 fps doom provides a Vulkan API look at performance for this one because doom runs so well we're using 4k as the only test resolution asynchronous compute is enabled as it enables at zero anti-aliasing now though some people still haven't gotten that memo and with these settings we're at 110 FPS average with the MSRP build low is hovering above 80 fps the build with modern pricing sits at around 66 FPS average so we are once again about 67% ahead with the amaz RP build Ghost Recon wildlands brings us back to dx11 this title built by Ubisoft which deserves its own category because they're so bad at optimizing games and I'm sorry people doesn't have quite as much of a lead in this game but still sits at 118 FPS average at 1080p versus 84 to 86 FPS average for the build with modern pricing scaling is similar at 4k where we go from 36 FPS to 57 FPS average civilization 6 mostly just pulls from previous test data from our reviews as the AI turn time benchmark is entirely CPU bound the MSRP builds it completes turns in about 16 seconds with the current price build using an 86 hundred K finishing turns in about 17.5 seconds per turn this place is the 8700 K about 8.6 percent reduced and required time per turn which adds up when you have lots of turns until your own memory speed does not seem to affect this benchmark very much at all as we previously demonstrated with the 8400 at 30 200 megahertz and 20 66 megahertz where we saw the same performance blender cpu performance with largely aligned with what we've shown in our CPU reviews as there is no dependency on the GPU and there's a very little difference between twenty eight hundred and thirty-two hundred megahertz memory on these Intel CPUs these numbers place the I 580 600 K at around 39 minutes time to complete the monkeyhead render accelerating 233 minutes when overclocked 8700 K is faster even one stock at twenty six point five minutes or twenty four minutes when overclocked again as expected a major loss in effective PC performance at modern prices versus original list prices which sustained for several months blender CUDA rendering is done using the 1080i for the MSRP build and the 1070 for the current price build Landing us at 16 minutes to render a 4k frame for the MSRP build and 22 minutes for the modern build MSRP build completes the render with a 28% time reduction from a modern day PC of the same $1500 price point and this is a significant loss in performance for anyone doing CUDA 3d rendering at home we also ran 3d mark firestrike with its normal settings resulting in a predictable massive scoring advantage for the MSRP build the 1080i and 8700 K understandably lead the ten seventy and eighty six hundred K even overclocked by about forty five percent that's without overclocking the 8700 K so the point then if we have to have one is that if you are new to PC building or you're returning after a hiatus bad news it's pretty expensive right now everyone knows that we've been kind of talking about that for the last couple days without Ram pricing and GPU pricing discussions but this really drives at home we're at $1500 you can get a significantly better computer and we didn't even try that hard I mean if I really tried if if we had new egg from 2016 or let's call it 2017 for GPU prices accessible to us today it would have been pretty easy to dig through it find things with good rebates combo deals all kinds of incentives to buy the different memory or GPU packs before price insane depending on which year you're looking at for data and you know if you really tried at it you could put together a better power supply than we have in there you could have back then put a better cooler in there things like that that would really make the build just overall a much more complete build unfortunately we obviously have to work with the retail prices of today and no one has incentives for anything because there's no reason to offer you Han if everyone's buying all the stock for GPUs so yeah that's a you've got in some cases a sixty seven percent performance lead with a build that you could have assembled in reality - this isn't just Fantasyland like a little over a year ago or a year ago for talking 1080i when it came out in March so yeah that's it's very unfortunate if you want to build a computer probably the best thing to do is you can get mostly components at a reasonable price memory you can't do anything about just bite bite the bullet and get whatever you can at a reasonable price GPU is the best thing to do is show up at a retailer and ask them when their shipment will come in and then buy it off the shelf that day when the price is should be acceptable like close to MSRP it's just they won't have a lot of them alternatively tamped Newegg in Amazon and B and H and everyone else and try and grab a card when they refresh because if you look at the GPU price this is what the rumor mill websites completely butchered when they did their initial reports the GPU pricing on these retailers is actually not that insane it's the third-party markets that do it and you can look at the price history yourself on PC part picker newegg.com lists most of its 10 ATT is as yes increased in price but the 10 ATT is C from EVGA that we used as an example here is a it was a $700 card when new I gets it in stock they sell it for between 754 and 780 it is absolutely a premium that you should not have to pay ten percent added margin on that but it's not the $1500 price that you'll see plastered all over news stories and on Newegg and on Amazon but if you look through it it's because those are third-party sellers they're basically scalpers who bought the card when it came in relisted it for two times the price and the ripping you off for it so just be careful where you're buying from make sure on those pages you sort down to the retailer first party they probably won't have it in stock that's almost certainly why you're seeing $1500 for these cards but you know just try and wait basically is the point here because if you're impatient right now and it may you might genuinely just need a PC so you don't have a choice in that case but if it's just a patience issue the difference here is nearly 2 X in some cases it's not worth it just just try and get a GP if you can but that's that I don't have any other tips for you that's all I got so yeah unfortunately the pricing but great suggestion by the user who posted that comment we appreciate it if you have more ideas leave them below as always we do read those and we do try to act on those test 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