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Notebook GPUs are finally crawling out from under the M branding that's been on nvidia and AMD GPUs for ages now and that's because the architecture has gotten to a point where it's efficient enough that further changes to core account clock rate things like that don't need to be quite as Extreme as they once were and so away goes the M branded notebook GPU and that will be happening for AMD shortly before getting to that this coverage is brought to you by our power and their new element gaming PC which ships with a full tempered glass side window arc LED fans and LED underglow as seen in this video today though we're talking about NVIDIA and that's because they've got the new gtx 1060 1070 and 1080 GPU is the same GP 104 and 106 chips that we saw in the desktop components now in notebooks and that addition means that pascal almost exactly identically to the desktop GPUs will now be in notebooks we managed to leverage about four hours of hands-on demo time while at an Nvidia event so got to test the new notebooks with our normal benchmark suite that includes frame time analysis and we did shadow of mordor testing that was the only game they really had their test on the 10 17 1080 I've got a 1060 notebook on the way and then there's also a quick overclocking note toward the end of this video we're invited to give a hands-off demo of overclocking but we'll see how that works out with the release product strictly comparing desktop and notebook GPUs with the new Pascal architecture the differences between the two are limited this concept of sacking the M line under nvidia branded GPUs started with the GTX 980 non-m which we reviewed in the Dominator Pro G last year and it's continuing with Pascal the architectures are the same the power design of the GPU proper is the same the cores are mostly the same memory has been inspected time from the last gen of mobile GPUs as well and is now at 8 gigabits per second for the 1070 and 1062 m gigabits per second with gddr5 X on the 1080 notebook GPU there's one core difference between desktop and laptop GPUs and that's what the gtx 1070 the mobile gtx 1070 it has 2048 cores rather than the 19 Montee chords on the desktop equivalent and it's also reduced the clock rate to 1645 megahertz boosted from 1683 on the desktop so more cores and a slightly slower clock rate as for the rest the GTX 1080 and 1060 have the same core account as on desktop that's 2560 on the 1080 and 1280 on the 1060 and the GTX 1018 notebooks will boost at 17 33 megahertz stock the same as the desktop and the 1060 boosts at 16 70 megahertz stock all three GPUs have a range of about 10% on the clocks for factory OC by laptop manufacturers so these numbers might be slightly higher in some systems depending on if the notebook you're looking at has been pre overclocked there's no hard TDP number for publication though Nvidia does have a TDP spec for the manufacturers and the reason there's no hard number is because TDP as a reminder is more of a measurement of the cooling requirements for a component than the actual power draw from the wall or elsewhere in the system and for that reason because manufacturers have different skin temp specifications when you touch a laptop they all have a different specification on what's acceptable for heat they have different thermal specifications and requirements within their systems there's no number for us to give you we do know a little about the electrical design though these use MXM cards as one would expect for most of the larger GPUs and notebooks and the MXM cards will use similar power design to the desktop GPUs including the same tooth power supply and multi-phase power control in theory this setup also increases power density supporting higher GPU power in a smaller space while further reducing total watt draw from the battery during the voltage and current conversion process we'll explore this further when we have time to take part one of the laptops into a PCB analysis of the board and the MXM cards there's also new display technology getting pushed alongside these GPUs including 120 Hertz 1440p monitors and at least one of the notebook lines coming out from the many manufacturers supporting this lineup and there's also a big push just towards 120 Hertz 1080p displays in notebooks or if that's kind of on the high end and there's a budget there's still the normal 1080p 60 1080p 75 if you prefer slightly faster refresh and there's the normal flow of 4k displays as well though that obviously increases price pretty significantly overclocking the laptop GPUs is done by modifying core clock and memory clock as it normal but make some changes one of those is the elimination of power percent target control or the ability to increase the GPS power consumption at the expense of higher thermals with notebooks this is reasonably disabled there's not much room in the thermal envelope to play and we asked if over-voltage and under-voltage would be possible for notebooks receiving a resolute No upon further discussion we learned that the notebook components will follow similar volt frequency curves as discussed in our GTX 980 OC review and that users may modify DPM volt frequency configurations to some extent but cannot exceed the maximum or minimum values that are pre-configured without over-and-under voltage will see how useful manual volt frequency plotting is thus far for enthusiasts we haven't found a truly solid reason to detour off the path of manual slider overclocking for just the membrane core we previously overclocked to the Dominator Pro G laptop with some level of success managing to achieve a 200 megahertz core offset on the GTX 980 non-m component as for what we were shown in the hands off demo of the 10 series and video somewhat successfully attempted to overclock a 20 63 megahertz core on a gtx 1080 laptop with an offset of 225 mega Hertz from the core the demonstration didn't show memory overclocking or any other changes fans B control isn't yet available as far as we understand but it will be through some vendors and note that we also don't have a good idea of how fan noise responded to this overclock since the presentation was in a noisy room we also only thought on one game and there was some initial software hurdles when trying to perform the overclock so we'll validate all this in our own reviews shortly and video explicitly stated that their overclocked laptop did not have a magic chip which is something that they said also for the gtx 980 launch we saw following that launch that's pretty hard to hit the 21 14 megahertz advertised in the presentation clock rate that was shown on the original 1080 so we'll see if that's true here as well but certainly some of the founders Edition cards were able to hit that clock rate so it's within I suppose some level of normal there rants with the silicon lottery and just other issues generally with thermals things like that we don't know how fast these fans are running don't know the volume that they're running at just because it's all contained within a presentation environment now as for the impact of the OSI during the hands off demo dooms FPS range at 1080p ultra loosely measured just from visual observation of the FPS counter it seems that dooms FPS went from 116 to 176 fps when the 1607 megahertz stock clock rate was in place and with the overclocked 220 63 megahertz core the game was ranging from about 119 to 197 fps so we saw visually just from loose observation a gain of about 20 FPS or thereabout and that's looking at min and Max values without any measurement tools speaking of measurement tools and video had about a dozen laptop setup in their demo suite and we were able to negotiate clearance to run some of our own software for benchmarking of the new laptops including a 1070 and 1080 laptop a cleveo unit and an msi unit and this omitted the 1060 unfortunately but the games for testing were not present on the 1060 in the demo suite because we used our own software and measurement tools for the test we can trust the results as accurate I know that there's somewhat comparable to the testing we've done at home base still only a few games were present on the system and we ended up testing shadow of mordor on a two pass setup due to time constraints and test it across three normal resolutions 1080 1440 and 4k with a 1070 and 1080 we also retested mordor on our gtx 980m gtx 970m laptops that we have a home base and also the desktop 1080 and 1070 cards on a comparable platform to the laptops tested this is a big issue point with desktop to notebook comparisons but Intel's issuance of a 6700 CPU on mobile platforms makes it much easier to compare similar configurations with the desktop there are imperfections in methodology due to the limited time at the event we only had 4 hours to work after all but this gives a good initial look at performance we're confident in the results and you might not find it elsewhere we're also able to look at frame time so I'll have for you momentarily here's the 1080p ultra performance chart with average 1% lo and 0 1% low performance metrics with FPS plotted for the new cleveo p77 5 with a gtx 1080 we're hitting 130 8.5 FPS average the 90 FPS 1% low and 76 0.5 FPS 0.1% low pretty similar to desktop GPUs for the GT X 1080 overall which makes sense since the cleveland unit has an i7 6700 at 3.4 gigahertz and so does the test platform for the D GPUs that we tested in this one anyway compared to the gtx 980m that puts a 1080 laptop GPU at more than two times the performance output and frame rate then the 980m the GTX 980 in laptops would be closer in performance but our 980 unit was a loner and we can't retest it unfortunately the gtx 1070 and MSI's GT 62 notebook performed at 114 FPS average 76 fps 1% low and sixty five and a half FPS 0.1% low the msi gtx t2 uses a lower powered GPU than the cleveo unit at 2.6 gigahertz on the I 767 hundred HQ so the architecture is more or less the same and the clock rate is different the results aren't perfectly linear in this regard with desktop when we compare the HQ versus the no suffix at all 6700 so some of the doubts that can be attributed to the CPU change with the rest attributable to core and clock differences in the 1070 notebook GPU once we get these notebooks in our own lab we can validate more and control better for variables the gtx 1070 is more than 2x faster than the 970 m from these tests as we saw with a 980 m and the GTX 1080 looking at 1440p the cleave op7 zone 5 sits at 101 dot 5 fps and 73 to 5 fps 1% lows with a 62 fps 0.1% low the GTX 1070 notebook is about 30 FPS slower at 70 FPS and retains tightly timed at low is compared to last gen it's clear that the 970m struggles with 1440p to a point of the low is introducing noticeable stutters at 92 fps and becoming less desirable for play but the 1070 does not have the same issue as we stated with the Pascal and the Polaris GPU reviews 1440p appears to be entering mainstream light and it's fully playable on the GTX 970 1080 notebook GPUs from the limited testing that we've done thus far as for 4k performances about where you'd expect it when comparing against desktops the p7 7 5 and its GT X 1080 suggests below 60fps really not bad all things considered it is a laptop with the GT 60 to 1070 notebook at 45 FPS average both units could theoretically handle some level of 4k gaming based on these results depending on if you're ok with dropping settings in more intensive games considering where we came from with the 980 m at 26 FPS average and 970 m at 19 FPS average this is a big gain for portable computing and at similar power consumption frame times aren't as tight as the desktop GPUs as you can see in this chart of the kleva unit actually got a few charts of it but the performance is overall acceptable there were no major freezes or stutters with only a few standout points in the overall frame time plot note that all of these tests were conducted while plugged in as the battery used will throttle GPU by design for battery Boost 3.0 which is just supposed to extend battery life by tanking the clock rate to something like 30 or 60 FPS depending what you can figure it to and that's all we've really got for today we have a few of these notebooks coming in and I'm really looking forward to benchmarking the thermals especially for endurance against longer burnin periods to see how these perform stock and overclocked and we'll be looking at that shortly as we did with all the desktop GPUs recently so the same testing methodology will apply to those once we've got them for today though the advice is this you will find these online they should probably be on retailers by the time this video goes live I don't know what the stock will be like if they're selling out or whatever but within normal reason it is generally our recommendation to wait for our review before make it a purchase because these numbers do look good but it was one game didn't test thermal see I didn't have no waste ability all that stuff so also there's a lot of vendors out there this something like 20 laptop vendors who are prudes for these so just hang out a little bit we'll have reviews online very shortly and once those hit the web hopefully things look good and you can make purchasing decisions based on those numbers but for now that's it so thank you for watching as always pay traveling is a post roll video if you wanna house that directly subscribe for more content to make sure you don't miss the next laptop video I'll see you all next time you the GTX time that celebrity there need Beauty come back