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everyone today we are tearing down the new and Vidya r-tx super cards so the 2070 super and the 2060 super the most immediate change is that there's now a mirror on the front of the card probably related to RTX actually what happened was it was a manufacturing difficulty the original one the roughness threshold was too high so they've dropped the roughness value to zero five percent of you will get that joke before that this video is brought to you by thermal take C 360 DD C hard tubing water cooling kit if you're ready to dip your toes into the water and build your first open-loop cooling system the Thermaltake c 360 DD c hard tubing kit comes with all the components you need the kit includes a three sixty millimeter radiator three 120 a RGB fans a copper w-4 a RGB water block for the CPU a pump and res DD c combo and all the fittings needed to build a full CPU open-loop learn more at the link in the description below these cards should be mostly probably the same as the original but we want to look at them anyway because the original 20 60 and 70 had the issue of well one too many screws for a video card making maintenance difficult but also we want to see if anything's changed on the PCB so have the components changed like the MOSFETs or anything like that or is it all just the same board designs as the existing cards and one reason we're curious about that because the 2070 super is functionally a twenty eighty and it's the same die as a twenty eighty die so we can expose that look at it and then does that change any of the the requirements elsewhere but we didn't get a twenty seventy Effie so there is a reference board for twenty 70s but Nvidia did not sample Effie when it came out they wanted to be a partner launch for lower prices so anyway let's start with this one we're gonna be working on the GN large mod matte today which is on store dock cameras axis dotnet on backorder now and then we also have our brand new toolkit to try out and I have some fun behind-the-scenes stories about this as it relates to our TX as well so here's the new card they did in fact change the plate and it's mirrored now it also says super and it's got the the kind of green background plus side if these were pre tested by Nvidia we would know because there would be fingerprints all over them that was one of the bigger challenges with this card not working with it just filming it in general is difficult so beyond that everything's pretty much the same we can go ahead and remove this and relink was there any link on the 2070 I need to call Nvidia a quick question for you I just now despite finishing the reviews I just now noticed that the 2070 has a super has n V link fingers on it does it does it support and B link okay okay so if I had to it just it works the exact same as any other NV link setup okay cool I I will make a note of that in the video then so update I had to call Nvidia I didn't notice this actually I guess well add this in front of the review as well but 2070 super supports unreeling and I just I wanted the column to make sure it wasn't like a feature that's disabled it's actually enabled it does have the Unreal Inc fingers on it these are the original 27 TS you can see they clearly do not have the NV link or the SLI support as it may be so that's kind of cool it's because this is a it is a 2080 die it's not the exact same in terms of what's enabled but that is why I envy links on here so it's it's a tu-104 die now whereas originally this was tu 106 and the 2060 is T 106 and the 2070 super is now tu-104 which is what the 2080 is so anyway let's start with taking this one apart cuz it's more interesting so like I said new toolkit Tom Stewart out gamers ex has done that we actually started designing these before our TX even came out and the tools are picked for GPU disassembly so should be pretty quick so I've mentioned this before in almost every teardown we've done of the 20 C or even 10 series cards these tiny screws if you do end up disassembling one of yours be really careful with them because they're not strong and if you go if you take the approach I've just screw the screw in as tight as possible like you might do with these or ones which are spring tensioned you'll snap the the screw shaft and then it'll be stuck in there and the head will come off so when you retighten these if you take yours apart just don't go to tie it just kind of turn until it stops and then don't do anymore okay so as we start pulling this apart I will make an important note we have already done all testing on this so everything's complete 3b is actually being edited right now as we film this part so everything's done except for the thermocouple testing so I'm going to put some probes on the MOSFETs and the and on the memory but obviously that requires card disassembly first well we'll fix this up later okay there we go all right so back plate pretty much the same as before it's got some thermal pads for back of the GPU that's actually thinner than it was previously but throne pad for the GPU back of the memory for the back of the inductor line and that's it it's uh it's not changed so far then we get to these so as a note obviously this holds in the cooler on the partner models you can these days typically just remove these four and the whole cooler will fall off the face of the card and then you can just replace that they're all pasted and leave the base plate on there this one working out to remove both so we will need a four millimeter hex head for that which is in our tool kit as well and this like not to show the toolkit I guess but it is my first opportunity to demonstrate something when we were making these originally the sort of the head for these hacks heads that you can get standard from most factories was landing on top of these caps or hitting them so we had to get them custom ground down to not hit the cap so that was one of the things we we did specialized with the toolkit trying to keep things like that in mind so same amount of screws as previously oh and I guess that demonstrates the hex head is you don't want a magnetized hex head on these sometimes the screw will get stuck if it is so it just ours is not magnetized but anyway this is same amount of screws so same type of screws same placement guessing everything will be the same except for the GPU will be different and then the PCB will see but it's probably the same PCB as well no we should do in this video is just check if the water blocks will fit if the water blocks that already came out for RTX will fit these cards I can do that someone requested that on Twitter and it was a good idea cuz they probably well it's unlikely that anybody would change anything for a lot of reasons like one they don't have to it's enough the power designs enough already and two it would be kind of really not great for the ecosystem in terms of cooler design partners would have to make new coolers and then water cooling partners I have to make new blocks so I'm thinking they'll all fit but we'll just check for you officially to make sure all right so that will wrap I think all the screws for the backside we're gonna have some from the i/o let's get a count it's been a while 30 32 34 so that hasn't changed backside of the card now this does have to come off on these designs on a lot of the partner models you don't have to take the expansion plate off but on this one you will and it's mostly gonna be like pH zero zero Phillips heads which we also have but there is one pH 1/2 pH ones back here that's just a size why isn't this degree coming out huh three pH one excuse me three in this thing if I read my own if I read my own instruction guide that's included in the kit would have known that there's that so if you wanted to water block this card this is the process you would be following you would not be you would not be taking this apart this taking this thing apart really sucks if it's the same as previously and it involved on the original it involved hot glue holding this thing in there actually might respond it was an adhesive holding it in so replacing the fans would be a terrible experience but replacing the cooler isn't so bad it's only it's only this many screws so first time you do it you might be spending a half an hour on it takes about five minutes to completely disassemble once you know you're doing it does look like a lot of screws on the face it though same connector as previously this one over here which has a history of some issues that we might talk about in the future just keep the thermal pads where they should be thermal paste is different actually so this is the kind of interesting but not really that important part the pace these companies typically use a shin-etsu paste it's a it's a thermal paste supplier and you can see the dots in the outside of it so like those dots right there it's textured that is just the remnants of the silkscreen they use when they apply the paste so it's typically like a it's literally a silkscreen like for a shirt and then you dump paste on it and you sort of paint over it we actually have Clips if maybe we can find one from the coolermaster factory where Coolermaster assembles we can't we can't say the name we're not allowed to say the name of the company whose video cards coolermaster assembles but we were allowed to show footage of it I'm still not sure I understand why that rule exists but if we show you the footage of the cards being assembled you will probably be able to figure out what company they belong to and anyway coolermaster assembles cards for a company relevant to this topic and they have a paste applicator that we showed for their AMD cooler assembly line so it's not and the video cards that doesn't leave too many other options out there but I'm talking about the AMD coolers we're using a silk screen anyway Fuji probably pads I think for the memory and then this blue thermal potty thermal putty for the inductors and the rest is just these other pads and video still make a lot of different types of thermal pads in there then you've got the same the same a power connector for the LEDs this eventually talks through I to see so that'll give you your feedback to the chip for how the powers behaving and if there's a short on the board somewhere it should detect it and freak out and lock into 1350 megahertz and then think that'll wrap the cooler itself cold plate is as it was before nothing has changed there I'm just trying to prevent the pace from sinking all around that cooler so we're just going to spray the rag around the borders of the cold plate I'm not going to tear this whole thing down again we did it before you can watch our previous two-part video on disassembling the original twenty eighty or twenty atti at launch but you can actually see in here so you can see more of that blue thermal putty in there so it's a bunch more thermal pads and putty holding the base plate which is this bit to the actual vapor chamber which is right here which is then secured by I believe just typical soldering to the heatsink so anyway nothing's really changed for the cooler look at that PCB in a second so the die is bigger than the twenty seventy I guess we've got 20 seventies next to me I can demonstrate that too there you go tu-104 let's make a really quick job of a twenty seventy there's a twenty seventeen on a skew that's what I was talking about partner models very easy alright it's a twenty seventy black you can tell I'm the one who worked on this last because there's a lot of thermal paste on it okay there you go so the dies there's a this is the twenty seventy super and this is a tu-104 which is the twenty eighty die - four ten so that ten is relevant a one is just revision number so ignore that but tu-104 four ten that's the relevant number that's been changed and then this one is the 2070 non-ace q they got rid of that to my knowledge so a tu 106 - 400 and when I say a skew I don't mean a 1 I mean it used to be like our other 1 rxz ultras tu 106 - 400 a and the a there indicates a better bin ship that has a higher clock so anyway that's differences in the chip you can see they are clearly not only different labels with different sizes and there's an actual like the eye size measurement easily found online but we're gonna do a quick caliper external measurement so instead of 18.7 we've got like a 20 23 or so but anyway there's an actual dye measurements online and Nvidia's own documentation so the MOSFETs were three one six zero three one six zero on the MOSFET and it looks like everything's the same but I'm gonna double check and just take apart or 2080 as much of a pan as it is and then we'll be able to just tell you definitively if water blocks for the twenty eighty will fit the twenty seventy super so might as well just do a side by side is it the same yes although I guess that's a bit different they cut these in half previously some kind of just like sad cost-saving measure or something now we're gonna have another card sitting on the set background for the next five or six months that needs to be reassembled and you'll know why because I don't want to take the 15 10 15 minutes it takes to go through it it's really it's probably like ten I guess with the repays didn't clean and go we're doing this for that one Twitter user I wanted to know if they would fit and because it's pre-release we don't have bare board photos so for you all it'll be easy to just go check online and find for the board photos these can only be taken out so many times before they start to strip so I had to find a different size screwdriver because I've widened them all alright these will go in electronics recycling okay so the question has anything changed let's see I mean there's small differences like this serial number identifier is not on the new one or the old one I mean but that's completely irrelevant yeah this card is the same the back is also the same yeah so have you ever water block for a twenty eighty it'll fit on a twenty seventy super easy enough it will say twenty eighty on it for what that's worth so I guess the vanity will be wrong but let's just go ahead and show this there's the old die tu-104 - four hundred a tu-104 - four ten so that a signifier was gotten rid of that meant Bend and it's a 410 instead of a 400 Reve but this GPU is is actually going away it will be phased out they move all this aside all right so that's the twenty seventy super 2080 blocks will fit on it if they fit a twenty eighty reference card and and we think will work so yeah that's that one move that aside and let's hopefully quickly get through this I think we're gonna have to pull a screwdriver from another kit for this one if it's like the twenty sixty so there's some fun behind-the-scenes information for you when we were developing this tool kit the twenty sixty came out a bit later and so these cards came out when we got our final samples in for the tool kit we were just started the production or honest it's like you can't really stop production you can but it's not like the lay it for a month it's like delay it for several months at our size because we would have to do samples again and make sure the new tools are good but and really a decrease the size on just the 2060 of just one screw by 0.5 millimeters and I remember discovering that and I was just like oh my god because one it's just stupid anyway regardless of our making a tool kit to kind of to not standardized sizes across your lineup but but that was just a particular reason to annoy me so we'll see if that's still true it was the hex heads and then also on the 2060 there's this thing which I've always suspected was for like a USB type-c internal case connector or something like that that maybe they decided to fill in later but not quite sure what it was for what you see when it was made how long of a they have this ready for well these were made May 31st so getting them end of June I mean that's they might have been sitting on them for a little while but that's reasonable with Computex they're in the middle so anyway that's kind of funny information that you get I still don't know why I'm video change this one I know it doesn't really matter but I'm curious like they had to have a million or Millions definitely millions of those other screws so why not keep using those maybe it was for component clearance of the because even if you'd grind down like a 4.0 you're probably still going to clip some of those caps so maybe it was just for component clearance with the capacitors because the board is smaller this is still the card that sucks to disassemble I'm not gonna go through it all again if you want to see it watch our 2060 teardown this was by far the worst card to disassemble we've ever worked with so you can see they solder these massive cables on for the power and that's how they can extend the power over here because there's no PCB over there and those are like roped through part of the baseplate and then there's screws and plastic security clips in there to hold it all together you've got that cable that's like kind of difficult to plug back in later because you're tethered over here so anyway that's all the same and the GPU is the same the board looks very similar but I can't see the MOSFETs and I really don't want to do this it'll be an hour of work just to get it apart on the 26 the FE the cable here was also looped around a plastic holder it was glued in place he's using a lot of glue for these cards and anyway it's basically the same if not exactly the same but we're not gonna we have to finish the review because it's like 12 hours before I'm bar go left so I think when I call that one they haven't improved the Assembly of the 2060 I guess is what we're really learning here and I'm gonna have to get thermocouples in there without disassembling it which will probably take just as long as if I disassembled it but I remember one of the Nvidia guys saying why are these screws different sizes he doesn't say that that's what I'm saying they didn't say that to be clear I don't hand video guys saying that uh I would like be happy about something or like something with the card and I'm still not sure if he meant like physically the card or not so I kind of want to take it apart to see if that's what they meant so for now it looks like the board's the same but the really important part here as you can see we're still held together by cables just like the original 20 60 is what I complained about for like 30 minutes in that video is the assembly of this and the reason is because just to replace the thermal paste which is the most basic possible thing it's extra steps with like just just for the vanity of getting this on that side instead of the middle of the card that's what this is all over it's this stupid thing if they put it here it wouldn't be a problem so if you want to replace your paste on this you have to go through extra steps of disconnecting this from here which is not horrible but is very annoying and then the kind of horrible part is rerouting everything you're probably gonna leave the secure clamps out when you reassemble it because they suck to put back in and then getting this cable back into that socket is also a challenge so anyway that's the same so that's it for the teardown cu1o 6-4 10 thanks just a Ponzi for the recommendation that's that's the cards 2070 super is a 2080 basically I mean in terms of physical Hardware it is a bit different in the specs but physically this board will fit 2080 water blocks and the 2060 still sucks to disassemble I'm probably going to end up doing the rest of it anyway because I will have to do it for a thermal couple placement but I don't not looking forward to it still have a gripe against that design that will cover it though check her review for full details on how the cards actually perform and again they were all tested before disassembly that's what we do here so if you had concerns you don't need to the testing is complete except for the VR I'm thermal testing which obviously requires this step thank you for watching subscribe for more we go to store dock here in Texas dotnet to pick up the toolkit or the mod mat that I worked on here we have a medium one as well or patreon.com/scishow gamers extra behind-the-scenes videos we'll see you all next time you