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we're just we're just pouring fluids into metal pots I mean how hard can that be right that's all it is it's very easy but it impresses the girls every once we have a special content piece for the show this year we've seen a lot of comments while doing lnto overclocking and there are two pretty pretty mean ones one of them is what's the point of liquid nitrogen overclocking for example when Joe was on people said you've wasted your life doing this is well I guess it's just it's so easy so extreme overclockers responding to mean comments before that this video is brought to you by e BJ's a new audio sound card engineered by audio note EVGA CEO knows high quality audio and has begun bringing sound cards back the new audio sound card is capable of delivering hair-raising audio superior to onboard sound the card includes a line in headphone line out and Mike in and a Sony Philips digital interface new audio also leverages the EVGA specv design experience has upgradeable op amps and uses a km premium components for its DAC and a DC learn more at the link in the description below eight pack joining me first a retired extreme overclockers now working on a water coin solution on our chill C on our Channel Joe step on tak a period hardware aka step on t10 who really wants to go home and I've asked him to stay for this stupid kingpin now and kingpin aka Vince I guess kingpins one of your real name at this point on the cards anyway how do you respond to what's the points of liquid nitrogen overclocking well the point of liquid nitrogen overclocking for me is just a pound the hardware into submission you know just give it everything you can and get everything out of it possible well you can't let the hardware know that it has the upper hand no you're really you know bit whatever hardware it is you've just got a pound it pound it pound it for every less mega hurt you do you apply that same approach to people who post that kind of comments well I'd like to but I mean they'll never stand up all they do is type on my keyboards you know come on well other than there to get the best score possible other point is also have a stress test for the graphic art or the motherboards or dislike' CPU so like when we designed the new hardware like we don't know what's the actual limit so when we want to liked it best make the design the best VRM or even like PCB layout we will overclock and that applies even for the normal overclocking like what a water cooling and normal air cooling but you don't cannot put put a push as much because that you are always limited by temperature I am with a land to we can remove that limitation on the temperature and always makes out like maximum power maximum voltages and see what's the weak point and then we can design better hardware using that knowledge right so you actually use it in for people who don't know I guess you you work at EVGA doing engineering on like the kb cards right yeah like that's essentially the full point we research what the limitations are and improved on those limitations and then it's become a available product which you can buy in an example of the kingpin Kart or dark serious motherboards from EVGA so does that that's the work you do there does it end up getting applied like to a lower down skew over time yeah but it takes like extra time like when we find out the solution it's usually applies for the general all the designs but because of the cost and the ski use like usually we will use maybe like 20% of improvement for the other end the ski use and for the best possible units like dark or kingpin boards then we will use every single door what is the point of ln2 overclocking hmm girls its girls really yes hey I met my wife here she was a g.skill showgirl really yeah that's actually pretty legitimate to the hand room I do it for the girls man it says to keep Joe off the streets you know you know that's a good point yeah it keeps him busy yeah stop drinking and so on keeps him keeps him flat-footed on a night you know gives him something to do before he goes to bed that's kind of thing I mean I think on one live stream the other day wasn't he CVG dark manual train to camp in or something can't remember but something like that yeah so so so out one it's fun it pushes the industry for two and it keeps Joe employed Joe will get him next let's see what he has to say Joe when I was talking to eight pack he said that one of the main reasons people are on that there's no point Allen to overclocking is because it keeps you employed otherwise they'd just be slacking all the time right now he keeps you off the streets do so so the comments you've seen it you see that they're in our streams what is the points a balance here overclocking well I remember you were sad said something about what is the point of gaming what is the point of doing anything that's fun you know I mean I like to do stuff that's fun and I enjoy benching and I'll probably always bitch so so what it let's let's do the quick quick top-level what is it that you find fun about it then because apparently some people can't understand it well a lot of people are very sensitive when it comes to those things so like I don't know I like to like just beat other people so I like to be I mean if there's someone's like oh I got this score I'm like yeah mine's better trend between you and eight-pack he said the reason he likes bench is because he can pound the hardware into the crowd basically I like to go full Hulk with hardware asked in because he he usually has to fix it right Tim the other question is its Oren comments I should say it's easy all you do is pour Allen's here from one cannon to another oh I hear that all the time all you have to do is put ln2 on it and it will magically overclock itself which is total BS I mean I don't know that that one drives me nuts because it's actually a lot more skill than that I mean anybody could do on water no like pouring a method of pouring right maintaining a temperature knowing how the GP is gonna like spin up under load and stuff like that oh yeah you saw just even before like how much we added like pour pour pour pour then have to go get boil and to pour pour pour pour it takes a lot and then torch it when you're on the CPU test the GPUs don't get too cold oh there's a lot of difference grueling it's terrible but I loved every minute of it even with their normal working on the own they're like yeah you can set up like the clocks plus 100 and then run the benchmark that's easy but actually to get the best score like sometimes you have to trade just test the drivers for like whole week like to find out the best driver and that's not even touching them - and then when you are there and - into that then everything becomes much more complicated because now you need to worry about not having the right settings right voltages and right time into four you also need to keep like the manual and two system and everything like like when we with demo Dale and Tariq seeing the Computex demo and even just benching we're always like that time management is very important and just that along make it very hard and I should point out too that you also do physical Hardware work to do the overclocking on these cards you actually have to like assemble the cards and make sure that the contact is right not too much not you know too less otherwise you will kill the hard way in the first session you try i'm soldering in you've done like power mods up and we'll have a separate video on that i think so the parramatta you get into into some engineering level work that's very interesting and is encouraged by how the overclocking when we're doing the extreme overclocking guides like for the kingpin and are serious I try to document like all these findings and like five actually user can apply those settings change them settings and what will happen and in the result like how they can get the better score as they're even running the same same score same frequency you can get very different performance you know any of the extras I'll tell you I'll tell you that it's very skilled keeping the right temperatures testing the whole over hardware been in the whole hardware making sure it doesn't die make sure there's no watch on the system and really fighting for the last few points you know knowing that you've maxed out that system it's very much also like the Formula one cars for example no one can drive a formal long car but the everything that's done in extreme overclocking is then introduced by the vendors over time into their everyday products and helps everyone get the extra performance boost for free it's straight performance if you're not paying for it why not you know do it it's also why you see like some of the boards PCBs video cards GP or mother now pushing towards higher quality veeram designs do and that's a obviously inspired by the by the elite tier high-end overclocker over time of passed on the aspirations for more power more power more power inner to the individual motherboard vendors and the vendors have got back from them over caucus obviously the marketing that's associated with having all the world records and the prestige of winning competitions so it's a kind of two-way thing product development and also a prestige thing and hopefully it helps the gamer to get more FPS the renderer to get faster and more hypothetic workloads and so on and so on yeah all indirectly just through the research that ends up happening for overclocking as well yeah yeah absolutely that yeah yeah I mean obviously more and more vendors you know they're all the time trying to gain a USP and obviously the higher the board can overclock especially on ambient conditions which pretty much anyone can do the more that again market share and the more they gain reputation and you can see from the evolution of boards from when I started doing it where you have to solve the dip switches onto the board just to change multipliers to how now it is so easy to do a basic ambient overclock without killing something which in the past you know a wrong solder everything is dead now this is all at BIOS level in the men you know you'd have to start solving so it's it's actually a broad adoption of overclocking really and we're just taking it to the extreme to push the engineering and to to if you like push the envelope it's like juggling like five machetes at once basically right I mean you have all these different components you have to kind of real-time know what they're all doing you have all the parameters you have the voltage the temperature it's a lot you got a lot going on at one time right and you chop one machete and you kill a card yeah and then all the machetes start falling so that is a that's kingpins answer that's eight packs answer right so that's tins answer so that's Joe's reason for L&T overclocking and we'll go ahead and plug his site to King been cooling calm you know there's one more thing I want to get your opinion on this guy just a Ponzi you know you know who he is okay so so what what do you think of that guy he's alright he's alright alright is it is it true that without hunt it would be unemployed pretty much yeah I think without Ellen to this guy he he'd be a street dweller for sure like the end of our video thank you for watching subscribe for more you can click the links below to check out all these guys I'll see you all next time