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okay we should be live-streaming I think is it going I think it's going let me know if someone says image needs more ray-tracing can't do that for you sorry what we're gonna be doing today is testing the cards versus Linus's score that he posted to the wrong thing so let me know if you can hear me first of all can you can you hear let me know if you can hear stuff looks like people say yes and then we'll get going pretty shortly here I'm just sending out a tweet to let everyone know that we're going people are saying it's working show us the rig yes we will do that momentarily we are alive okay I'm just tweeting that out so here's what happened that's a lot of a lot of chat messages here's what happened Linus or Linus's team I should say tweeted tweeted out that they I don't know what they say Mike Mike dot dot dot dot dot dot drop so they tweeted out they said Mike drop and they posted a screenshot of a score that was ahead of both mine and Jays but I looked at it and uh it was a single card benchmarks so I don't know if they didn't get the memo or what but my single card score was from like six months ago when I challenged them so a bit of a latent response but we're happy they responded don't get me wrong thank you lionesses team and/or lioness for jumping in responding they actually posted their video on floatplane and if you have it I think it is called I don't have it open anymore I think it's called we beat the wrong OC record or something like beat throne world record so there they're fully aware of it but if you want to check it out I guess I'll be coming to their main channel soon and before it comes to their main channel though we're gonna beat their new high score for single card which I wasn't competing and cuz I didn't know it was the thing so we're gonna beat that today and then we're going to go back to dual card Destin with our ice bucket and that's that's when we'll be going through the final tests here until I can tear it down and get back to normal reviews and stuff like that so okay and what's what's going on in chat I'm waiting for everything to fill up for a bit and then we'll get going so just checking seeing what chat says what CPU is this not going to tell you if you'll you'll have to figure it out yourself okay I we want blood that that might be a little extreme ah I don't know how a blood cooling loop would do though but I'd be willing to try it if it's better all right so couple things in chat here did you see there Bauer's score yes of course I actually I spoke with Roman with their Bauer I was up till 7 a.m. that night he was up in Taiwan until well I guess it was 7:00 p.m. his time and so he told me that he was about to post a score he showed me the score as it was at the time only about a hundred or 200 points higher than ours which was still pretty much on a table for us and then he wasn't posted that 16,000 score so I mean the race is done like that's it there's no catching up but Linus is now first on the single card benchmarks and by first I mean first of the three youtubers that are involved in his competition he's not anywhere close to actual verse that's kingpin who is really more like a zero because it's he's always there so just a constant at this point so we can't have Linus be ahead of us in any scores let alone single card and I didn't know you know like I said I know it was a competition so I guess we'll make it a competition now and I bring to you again the ice bucket the the our version of the ice bucket challenge as it were and so let us enjoy your place on the top while you can I guess because our plan is to post a higher number during this stream and hopefully pretty soon we'll see though so alright here's what we got I'm just watching this Henry language out for a different one at some point the stream if I remember but if you haven't seen it quick recap we have everything I don't even know where to start we have everything going into an ice bucket and I'll just walk you through this before we turn it all on and it gets loud so ice buckets over here we'll start the benchmarking momentarily and I'll check chat in a moment - I'm away from the screen right now this is actually really cold we need to put more ice in here we'll be doing that time - before as the stream gets going so you're gonna have to deal with that noise for a second but we need to put more ice in we have now - five sixty so we replaced the 360 thermaltake radiator that wasn't here for the CPU with a five sixty EK radiator that's a bit fatter and the point of that was really just so that we could get I mean get them completely flat I extended the tubes works Patrick on that so we putting QD sees and extended the tube length that way we could get the CPU cooler properly submerged because it was not before it was sticking halfway out of the ice and that was increasing our temperatures a bit so that's the ice bucket that needs to be filled up again then we have an EK pump for pump and res combo for the cpu we have a res and a dual pump down there for the GPU we have two GPUs on the loop using supremacy blocks we have a supremacy block on the CPU we borrowed one of these from our patreon backer Ritchie c77 thank you very much Ritchie Ritchie by the way as I think number three on the single card score so we'll be heading up his direction today with our benchmarks so really cool to have members of XOC community in our in our patreon group like that so that's my type g.skill try and see blacks in here I got new memory today quick testing I couldn't get it to post as good timings as this kit so we're gonna stick with that kit that's a 3600 kit that I overclocked four thousand my grades will go over all the setting strands stream and then a couple fans all over the board so that coming to meet this that covers the system as it is right now and let me see-oh is J J's texted me hang on okay all right J I got your message if you're if you're watching I got it I think we're about to see J upload a new score and let's open up the 3d mark Hall of Fame we can look at that so let me let's let's check let's check what the Hall of Fame is if he's uploaded it yet how is J texting you from beyond the grave okay so yeah rip is not actually literally ripping people so I'm just opening up three three mark Hall of Fame and we're gonna see where J stands right now and we're line of stands then beat them both by the way so I was talking with all things down seriously stop stop stop killing the website I need it um I had a message that one be like hey guys can you uh like get better servers for me or something cuz all right so before we get started let me show off some of our some of our casualties Jay had a casualty and some of his set apart well I don't know Jay did you recover it finally if you're in chat I know for a little while he thought he had CPU degradation and then I think ended up correcting it or found out it was like a windows bug or something and maybe the CV is actually fine after all I'm not sure but we did have a casualty couple days ago and it was a gentle typhoon fan so where that knock so one is on the bench right now that's just screwed into the bench i sat this one and uh it was stable like I didn't need to screw it in or anything it was stable like that but eventually one of the wires moved or a tube like drooped and moved the wire and so what happened is a collision this yes the FSF spurt extra hollow fame parently but also f4 the gentle typhoon fan I bought more of these because I like these fans so much but and I couldn't be with that one but uh this blade collided directly with one of our corsair maglev fans the ml 140 we had that's a lot of heft and so the Macklin fan one I guess let's of course there is engineering on the on the MLC fan I know their thermal engineer who worked on designing it has always been very proud when he's told me about how strong the blades are on it and I've always just been kind of like yeah but who cares like dude who cares how strong the blades are well apparently there are occasionally reasons that you care how strong the blades are so yes sad sadly we lost that fan but we bought some more for it so respects paid for that fan thank you very much chat okay so I'm waiting well I won't wait too long but I'm trying to get the Hall of Fame's a load and if it won't load I'll just go to I'll just go to Twitter and we'll check minuses tweet there let me see if J sent anything else I think I don't know J if you're watching I can't get Hall of Fame to load feel free to just text me the numbers you got and I'll read them on the on the stream alright so let me open up the tweet that Linus's team sent out so we at least have some perspective as to why we're gonna respond to them first and then we'll go into the benchmarking and actually do it so let's see where is your tweet Linus so they have something on flow plane and they sent out a teaser other T's are first we don't have a direct feed of this so you're just going to look at the screen but let me let me get this situated so you can see what what they're up to okay you ready Andrew for a screen a non-literal screenshot okay so can you see that okay as I clear they posted this I'm not gonna adjust the brightness or anything we'll just look at this briefly if you can't see it it's on flow plan it's like an ice bucket or it's a cooler anyway I don't know what they have in it they have some fat radiator they hooked up maybe to an AC unit or an old chiller I don't know what's going on but either way that was one of the things they posted and then they also did where is it where did they say mic drop how long ago is this though there it is okay here you go here's here's where Linus tech tips tried to throw some shade uh-huh and then tripped on the shade they threw so drops dot thought thought thought thought thought thought mic and why are they dropping the mic because they took seventh in a benchmark no one is competing in so I responded today Linus got 8360 so full credit to them that's pretty good score J's up there with 82 21 that's before J or I were we're really trying with the with anything really with ice box or any of that stuff so that was when we were first just playing around acting mine was Titan V and J says so by the way we can't get he can't get times before the Hall of Fame to load either Jays score is fifteen thousand to thirty four which is really good our score on the Hall of Fame right now is 15,000 242 so a serious serious competition there and I've really enjoyed keeping it kind of like you know as we got more into this I was thinking about how is there a way we can keep this going without getting 2l on two levels because at that point it's just like the time sink is massive and both of us would need to work with companies to bring an Ellen to or at least I would anyway he might have a hookup already and and so we're pushing as far as we can without going that route for now and who knows maybe will collaborate with at the EVGA HQ or something later down the line okay so that's the scores we need to beat Linus first our poll is up again in a bit and superglue the blade to the fan it's it's really not that important Thank You Deborah scores 16,000 248 for anyone who's wondering we're not gonna be beating that today but let's start with with the ripping - score and we need to put ice in the bucket trouble super chats first bill Wan Chai low 69 69 sadly can't watch the stream just dropping by good luck with the OCS thank you Bill five but that's also that's a very generous donation thank you Adam Shuman senior $5 make them dunsky yes if you if you didn't see the last stream we were talking about kingpin jumped into chat which was awesome and came Ben I thought up how when he was overclocking with robic locker at copy tax every time it would blue screen he thought it was dead from condensation which is why we have all the rap tubes here and he'd say she's done ski Steve she's done ski and revive it again Zachary Applegate to box let's get him thank you very much we'll do that moment you mister of MX 20 blood Steve blood bit extreme zdg good to see a zdg thanks for dropping in he's one of our patreon backers we the patreon group built him a computer now on we go C to G 10 bucks sacrifices to the OC gods must be in blood or coffee really you guys you guys have a bit of a thing for blood and it's kind of weird bill Wan Chai two bikes press f for dead boy Idol values five dollars is you're not big enough now referencing the that I was attaching to his screw which was the wrong size in the last video Howard grade 12 bucks cycle OC was here all right that's what I'll stop there for now so we got a good chat gone here let's fill the fill the bucket I guess and I'll chop this out quick as well if you're watching the stream and I can't guarantee it but if you buy something from the GN store on store docking razaaq's it's not not during the stream I will try to shout it out so I'm gonna keep an eye on store orders and depend on how many there are how busy I am with the OC machine I'll try and shout out your first name and where you're from if you buy anything on store I can't resist on that so okay I need an ice bag and then we're gonna fill that bucket up mm-hmm so I'm just I'm walking off shot to the freezer and this might be loud momentarily when we dump it in the ice bucket but it's gonna be part of what we're doing today so there's there's our first sacrifice to the OC bucket and I don't really want to go outside and drop this on the concrete during the stream so we'll just kind of I think this is how hammers are supposed to be used and just break up the ice so it falls in more gracefully okay okay hopefully it doesn't just rip open on the carpet and we're also for watching for splash onto the bench so I'm going to apologize in advance for the noise of dumping ice and try and keep it quiet for you nice splash super good no splash on the bench okay there's the first bag as the bench on wet yes it appears fine alright one more bag of ice then we have some more if we need them later huh and we have a drain in that bucket which has become very useful so all I'm doing right now is filling this thing with ice putting 20 pounds on there to start and this will start our OC vs. lioness let me check what the chat saying right now what's chat saying alright using salt in the water - no not right now no we're not don't want stuff arrived yet no Roman aka their Bower did send something and I don't think he's revealed what it is so I won't either we if it got here it got here today and I haven't seen it yet but I don't think it did and we'll be looking at that probably after doing some of our normal reviews because we are pretty behind on reviews from this so this is gonna be the last time for now that's still very frozen last time for now that you're gonna see this this beast of a machine before we have to go back to normal content production I'm sure there's a mix of people some people probably happy about that if you're bored with this and some people probably looking forward to more but we'll try and appeal to everyone as we continue make content all right a big shot here that would put a hole on the radio put that one down carefully this is the last bag gonna empty before we start going with it overclock so we really need more water volume in here right now but clearly this will turn into water so you should be fine the biggest problem is when the water that gets hot doesn't move around the radiators and then then obviously it'll get warmer but I have a pond pump in there that should help a little bit of water in there and I think we can probably start going so let me turn this bench on and kick things off hopefully no water splashed on there okay bench needs to be on is it plugged in over there yellow power strips on yes no no okay I thought your lights are plugged in there okay we're turning the bench on that is really cold water the hand is freezing okay yes the the pumps are all on they're all connected to the same power supply we're just using one PSU 1600 watt ax 60 is 1600 I I actually I should check the power draw during the stream maybe I'm not sure what we're drawing but it's a lot so you should disable spectrum meltdown patches yes I know we've we've disabled quite a few things those actually aren't two of them though I didn't disable those explicitly so that is but we're not gonna do that today it's fine did using a 6-pin auxilary powers from mac true 4421 did using six pin auxilary power on the motherboard add an eighth stability improvements the PCIe power I saw Jay was using it we are - I don't know I mean I've talked to builds read about that in the past and I think his conclusion is that the extra 6 pin PCI II doesn't really do a whole lot at least unless I don't know it's really a problem where you're adding that pin because you don't want to pull all your power in this case 150 watts max through the 24 pin connector so if you have like four cards it's probably useful but it depends how much power those are sucking down through the PCIe slot this is really only adding there I don't know like it might we're kind of getting into like hocus-pocus territory with overclocking where you just start doing things just because they might do something but you're not actually sure so that's kind of where we are right now I genuinely am unsure if that's helping or not but we have plugged in and then for the bench so the X 299 dark board we're using has a set of switches on it that sorry about the fan noise but you know part of what we're doing here so it's Godley's switches where are they can't see them from here they're down there they're like kind under the first video car you're not really gonna be able to see them for that angle but that's okay so there's how many six five or six switches down there and they're just dip switches and all they do is they toggle the PCIe slots by Hardware on and off so what I've done right now is I have toggled off all PCIe slots except for the first one which will allow us to challenge line it's a single card score without having to remove the card and it will also disable it physically on a hardware level so we don't have to worry about the nvidia sli software getting buggy so that's that's part of what we're doing and i need to i you know it let's let's just do like a simple OC first actually you know let's just run it with with the cpu and no present GPU overclocked at all just see where it lands single card it should be like 6500 something like that points and then after that i'm gonna beat linus to score pretty much immediately so as long as everything stays stable anyway so hopefully does okay so where is hall-of-fame working it that's the first question proxy error i'm three marks website stop stop it stop breaking it i need it let me open up Linus's page again twitter.com slash lioness tech and of course it's all friendly competition we very much appreciate that Linus and jf contributed to this J I was talking with him and both of us feel like we've learned a lot from this whole adventure so we really appreciate the audience kind of enjoying this and and sharing it with us cuz III think J I can at least speak partially for you here but not too much of course but I know when I was talking with J we're just saying how this is really pushing us to learn a lot more about overclocking and speaking for myself that will greatly help G ends review process for Bart's cuz like now I mean I've learned a lot in the last week I've learned about memory straps for example so kingpin was in chat teaching us about that where if you're just joining we're running baseline test right now by the way it's not doing anything special its overclock on the cpu ice-bucket what temperatures are water at and it's kind of hot one point seven degrees Celsius and yes just overclock on the CP in the memory nothing on the GP is just yet so we're just gonna see where it lands anyway so learning memories how so it's one of things we learned about so I think on it should be the same strategy for an example I'll top my head I think at one point I found that like 980 megahertz was scoring better than a thousand Eiger it's offset that is on the cards we were using the twenty ATT eyes and that's because it's kind of like a landing pad where you kind of shoot for a certain frequency offset and even you land on the memory strawberry don't and to pay on that you might actually get slightly worse performance with a higher number so it's better step back down something like 980 versus a thousand so we if you missed the content we've been able to get up to a 12 40 megahertz offset on the memory and originally before going liquid for everything we were stuck at 980 to I think about a thousand and five megahertz on the XE ultra so pretty big improvement and the core is more stable the cores underwater we have a couple of memory blocks on here this is not by the way the the best way to measure temperature neither is a thermal camera I know a lot of people like to use them they're good for like a really quick spot check but the problem is emissivity and reflectivity so if you point like a thermal camera or this had a reflective surface or a shiny surface then you might actually get reflected room temperature instead it's like if I take a thermal camera and pointed at an aluminum heatsink it's gonna reflect more room temperature than the heat sink temperature but this is fine for blackbody measurements of like like an SMD for example a matte black device that just gets in this case you just hit it with the pointer and it's it's fine like it's not great thermal couple would be better but I can't really get T couples in there anymore because it's all surrounded in fans so the side of the memory module I'm reading the hottest module we have is currently is it running a test even know it's about to run a memory test but in between tests we're at about twelve degrees Celsius and so the reason that's interesting they did not even finish okay what a crash on CPU all right cool let me boot in and see what's going on with CPU settings and he was playing around so the reason the reason that's interesting is because we're below ambient temperature with devices that are not cooled by the chilled water and that's just because the the block that's on there that's connected to the chilled water is able to cool everything around it to an extent that it's going below ambient so even our memory is benefiting from this so if you think about it it's all copper traces inside a PCB anyway there's a lot of layers inside the PCB and those are feeding into everything so it's eventually making its way oh there we go that's why I have this set to high so it's eventually making its way into the memory and the BRM and everything 1.46 I think is unnecessary for this so let's just step that down and I think all these other voltages are still good I think that was the problem everything else looks fine so let's let's go back to try that it looks like I had two cores that were still offset to hide from when I was really really pushing a little too hard someone says three mark Hall of Fame's backup so before it dies again I need this don't go don't go there I need it I'll show it on the screen uh-huh leave it alone damn it it's down so we got one to load we got the two card scores to load I guess I'll show that while the the things opening up over there so we're not doing capture sorry I have the screens too much work right now with all the other stuff we have going on all right so here you see that okay we've got this is to card this is not what we're gonna challenge Linus in right now two card dev our of course Roman if you know I'm from he's on YouTube he's these Germany's got a Taiwan flag there because he's in Taipei right now working at ACC HQ with some over overclockers other overclockers excuse me and so that's why that's showing up to ip-based I don't know why can Canada's showing up for Jay and Paul maybe it doesn't understand that CA for California doesn't mean Canada so there are 16,000 248 he has an absurdly high GPA score we're not gonna be able to beat it we're in seconds over to card Jay did your score upload it did 50 thousand to 34 so serious improvements for J score for our score the last few days J has been I think he's been experimenting with dry ice I'm really looking forward to that video J if you post it and J's two sons if you don't know who he is of course is on YouTube and then a single card we have a KP at the top so this is Ken pen he works for EVGA he is unbeatable for us and most other people 93 hundred points and then we have Ritchie from our patreon group in there he sent over some water blocks as we we were kind of limited on those resources he's at 80 805 and - is in 7th at I can't read that from here 83 60 and then we have J who as I said hasn't tried recently at 82 21 and we're down here at the Titan be at 80 to 85 so okay let's go ahead and just post that baseline now that I hopefully corrected the CPU clocks it was a little too too aggressive for this so we're just gonna let that run this time without crashes and crashed on the CPU test so that was pretty clearly the problem and then I'll show you some of the overclocking trips that tricks I've learned over the last few days from the experts in the space we of course are nowhere close to their level but it is it's a lot of it's it's pretty enlightening to learn from them and I have a ton of respect for for everyone at XYZ space and like builds ride their Bower came to everyone because just like even just doing this which doesn't even dry ice or Ellen to it was a lot of work it's not easy and there Bauer said in his video she should watch if you haven't that that the Linus text was just posted did they what did they post Tamara said you know it wasn't easy for him either he had to do a lot of work to get the his score where it is did they post it now why'd you say that all right okay all right so we've got a couple store orders thank you very much this is running now baseline test we have a CPI 5.0 5.0 for the first two course was it no 5.1 for the first two cores 5.0 for the remaining 16 core is around a 79 80 XE get that meme out of the way and that's pretty decently overclocked right now we could not get this high without the chilled water and I'm not looking at CBO times right now is I hope it's okay but our water tempers are still kind of hot for my taste it's 1.1 degrees Celsius and the loop temperature for the GPU is 3.3 degrees we have two thermocouples in there so if you're curious can even can you see that screen top one is the ice bucket and then bottom-left which probably can't read from there is going to be the loop temperature and we have a TK type thermocouple floating in this rez over here so that's a k-type thermocouple has just got some captain tape on the end of it and that's reading our reservoir temperature this is pretty much the hottest point in the loop we're very close to it because this is after the GPUs so that's gonna be some of the hottest water in there if you're curious and k-type thermocouple x' if you didn't know they're extremely useful for everything but they're really useful for for example like vrm thermal testing which we do but k types have some variants so they have about a plus or minus two point two degrees Celsius range in manufacturing of a k-type thermocouple so if your baseline is say it's let's say we're measuring something that is unknown zero degree Celsius temperature you might have your your least accurate two K types at negative two point zero and plus two point zero but they are perfectly inaccurate so when a K type is inaccurate it is always inaccurate to that same degree so if it's always plus 0.5 off then it's not gonna change it's not like it's up plus or minus two point two variance within the same thermocouple in other words so anyway that's that one's calibrated so that measurements where you want it to be and then I also I'm gonna go through some super chats through some storage just did stuff like that I want to give a quick shoutout so Engadget it's kind of a mainstream you know tech publication and gadget ran an article that was actually very very kind about all of this overclocking stuff and they talked I think that the headline was a what was it like overclocking makes surprisingly good TV or something like that and so anyway I wanted to point that out we really appreciate that some of the more like mainstream bigger tech outlets are looking at this because we think it's fun so I'm glad other people like you do okay so couple things we're running CPU tests now hopefully doesn't crash this time I've got a few store orders so Mike all from Beverly in in the US purchased a mod mat thank you very much Michael so that's the anti-static mod mat the one I have on the table really it's more of its it's a high quality building service we've been selling it for about a year now and we're we we like a lot it's it's done well if they hold up to all of our damage so thank you Michael for buying one of those they are shipping now or not on backorder anymore we got them in we got a store order for two of our ceramic mugs which I have back here as well so we got two of the mugs in and that is from or purchased from Jerry in Oklahoma Thank You Jerry for buying that really appreciate it does not come with the dead stick of memory in there we took the other one apart to use for an animation coming up for our part two of our memory timing series so if you reckon if you notice that one of the sticks is gone that's where it went we're animating some Ram Robert from motors that Utah purchased some stickers and decals thank you much Robert and then we got another order from Richard in the UK who purchased an autographed Maud map now I'm actually driving over there tomorrow to sign a bunch of mod master people who bought them so that you're picking that up Richard in the UK alright so this just finished its passed here's where a base line is this is no no nothing this is just the CPU overclock CPUs at 12,000 437 there's a single card testing we're at 70 623 and our graphics is only 70 136 but we know we can get a lot higher than that and Linus's score if I can get it to even open I have their Twitter page open so Linus the score is 83 60 and I what I really need to know is what's their score individually for graphics in CPU but they're 8360 we're at 76 23 right here which is below I think even our previous yeah it's below our Titan B score so clearly we have a lot of room let's just go ahead and see what we can make happen here with a quick overclock hopefully it's still stable I haven't haven't run this since it obviously booted so sometimes the clocks kind of seem like they change a bit so what I'm doing right now is I'm gonna set some hotkeys and I'm going to use those to my full advantage to try and make sure we push Linus to score down as much as possible because it's just beating it wouldn't really be that fun we got to go as far as we can 11:30 so I'm gonna set this for what I want this for one and then I want a 170 offset with a 12 let's see 12 20 on the memory I know it can hold 12 40 but it's been kind of having some problems today so let's go 12 20 on the memory offsets still very high can't be mad at that really just up that for profile 8 we're going to go to 1 165 and 1180 so 165 is gonna be our GPU core offset memory we're offsetting by 1180 megahertz and that will go for profiles 7 and I'll walk you through why I'm doing this in a moment because you probably I don't know I I never heard of this before this week so this is something I learned that actually really fun it makes it more like a game like an RTS than anything so we want 1164 this and 175 for the core that's gonna be profile 4 and then we want 165 and in wha 1160 is that 1160 yes for profile 6 ok so now I'm just gonna set the hockey's hey Jacob or EVGA if any of you are watching a TV ga here's what I want I want this to save I don't know if there's a way to do it but when I try to click the Save button it doesn't do anything maybe I'm on an old version that's from a few days ago maybe a week ago but I have to retype all that stuff in everything I do and it's super annoying so if anyone from EVGA is watching please make that like just make an export button that saves it to like I don't know XML or something so I can import it save me a ton of time ok so let me just double check our settings here so profile 9 this is gonna be our boot profile 140 offset and 1180 on the memory powers maxed out we're on the X Z ultra card which is a shunt modded and underwater profile 8 I mean check that the hotkeys work profile 8 170 offset core 12 20 on the memory I think we do 1240 profile after that I'm gonna go to 7 is 165 core 1180 memory and I'll again walk through why we're doing this in a moment and then we're at 175 and 1164 profile for with profile 1 being the lightest at 11:30 and 140 ok cool everything's working so let's just go ahead and hopefully it survives us Ron it's kind of iffy and we will have artifacting in here so I'll take a moment to address that you see artifacting in these Ben marks it's still valid so as long as the score validates in 3d mark this is a synthetic test nothing about this is real-world we have half the computer in a bucket of ice so this is not a real-world scenario and if there's artifacts you know unlike the real world where of course you would care it actually doesn't matter as long as it passes and it's not cutting out geometry or meshes or texts or anything like that if it's just memory artifact and that's acceptable within times PI's validation process I talked to builds right about this I said you know what's how would you explain why that's acceptable and he said I thought it was a great analogy he said I'm pretty sure if you are drag racing crashed okay so we need to drop that a bit so I'm pretty sure if you drag race and you still make it to the finish line first but a few pieces of your car came off you still win and I think that's actually a great point so we need to drop one of those a bit looks like I should probably dial it back a bit for starting and on we're gonna have some noise from moving this around some of that ice melted and you