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a few reviews have historically proven binary either it's better to buy a D GPU and a dirt-cheap CPU or it's actually a decent deal there's zero room for middle ground in a market that's targeting 150 to 180 dollar purchases there's no wishy-washy Anna's here it's just either it's good or you skip it preceding our Raven Ridge at 2400 G benchmarks we decided to test the G 45 60 and our 3 1200 with the best GPU money can buy because it's it's it's literally the only GP that money can buy all the other ones are gone before getting to that this video is sponsored by Dollar Shave Club makers of the new $5 shower shave starter set the kit includes the Dollar Shave Club executive razor bearing the haps of any high-quality tool and also includes reloadable cartridges the $5 kit includes everything you see on the screen now like the body wash and shave butter and can be refilled for a few dollars a month this deal is available for $5 exclusively using our link below or dollarshaveclub.com slash gamers Nexus so we're using a GT 1030 with those and a couple of the G 4560 that lands at about a hundred and sixty dollars which just so happens to be about what the new risin ApS are priced at and then with the r3 1200 we landed $180 for both together which is about $10 more than the 2400 G so it's a good price point and lands between the two so today we're only talking in gaming performance this is not like power analysis thermal analysis because frankly at this price point the amount of people who care in that is very low when you're fighting over a couple of watts difference trying to get a part that's like combined under $200 it's fair to say that the real thing here we care about is the frame rate performance and in our ap reviews we will do power and thermals as always but for today we're just going to set a baseline so that 2400 G is coming in for testing we'll have it within a couple of days of this video going live and we're pre testing this stuff to get you an idea of where it falls because historically with AMD APU is with the previous FX ones a lot of them really ended up in a place where you kind of get through the end of testing and you look at it sit back you're like why wouldn't I just buy a cheap $80 graphics card and the lowest end but still reasonable CPU I can get and generally that was the better solution now however and these gone to Rison and Vega architectures these are two gigantic differences and that philosophy might not apply anymore so we'll have to test the Raven Ridge ap use as they're called and see what it boils down to once those come in now another big thing here to consider is the memory compatibility and the needs of an APU an APU is one of the few instances in gaming computers where you will almost always notice a difference from the memory speed so almost always there's an impact because what you're looking at is a shared memory pool for the GPU and the CPU which both exist on the same chip and there's no dedicated memory for the GPU except for what's sort of dynamically assigned to it during processing so you're also dealing with DDR which has much different latency and speed properties to GDD are or video memory and that means that as we scale down the frequency or loosen up the timings the impact can be compounded from what you would see with just a straight CPU so we'll have more on all that soon capacity comes into play as well but for today what we're doing is we're testing the G 45 60 with a kit of memory at 2400 megahertz so we could run it at 32 hundred megahertz with a zseries board however if you're buying the gene 45 to 60 you're probably not buying a z-series board it kind of kills the whole argument of it so we're running with its maximum supported speed on most low-end boards that's 2,400 and then for the AMD r3 1200 we're overclocking that because we can to 3.9 gigahertz pretty easy to achieve it effectively becomes a 1300 X plus or minus a bit at that point and it's not a hard overclock to do we're also running it with 29 33 megahertz memory again I could put I could put a much higher frequency Kida memory in there but we're running it with a lower one because with both these CPUs you're in a budget market it doesn't make sense to buy 3200 megahertz that's insane because Mary prices are also insane so those are memory speeds for all the details on testing as always check the article link to the description below if you have questions about other parts or methods that were used in testing and we'll talk about more of this once the aps get in but for today let's get started with a couple of the eSports titles rocket League overwatch so forth and then we'll get a couple baseline titles in there with all of our other CPU and GPU numbers in the past just to establish where this thing can land when coupled with either an r3 at about $100 or a G 4560 at about $80 starting with rocket League our goal was 60 FPS in the game as we figure these eSports titles would do best with lowered settings in exchange for higher FPS seems like a good sacrifice we configured the game the high settings with world detail dropped down to quality as they call it and the results was a tie it's clear that we can achieve 60 FPS average and reasonable lows on both configurations for $160 the G 45 60 and GT 1030 do exceptionally well here we're holding 60 FPS somewhat easily even with the cheaper memory and the our three alternative fare is just as well we're bottlenecks by the GPU more than anything as made evident by the tied numbers and the real test will be to see how Andy's Raven Ridge 2,400 G performs we have one of those again coming in pretty soon so that's really what we're setting up for for now we've set the stage for what the apu has to beat and these parts both CPUs and the GT 1030 are all readily available which means you're not contending with the GPU availability issues higher up in the chain this is direct competition to the apu with no real out available dota 2 is next for this one we tested using high quality settings and 1080p at 100% resolution scaling which is what we always use we saw more of the same here performance was bad at 63 FPS average but the GPU likely contributing to some limitations here 0.1% low performance it looks a bit better on the r3 1200 but we are also within margin of error for all intents and purposes these results are functionally the same what is noteworthy is that the GT 1030 and its low-end cpu partners are fully capable of relatively high quality dota 2 gaming at 160 dollars to $180 combined which is not bad the Raven Ridge APU is the price point challenger of this and again we'll see how that does soon so subscribe to make sure you catch that when we do follow up counter-strike go is next for csgo we tested with a mix of high medium and very high details pursuant to previous optimization tests we've done for graphics versus performance in this game configuration is in the article for this one the G 45 60 and GC 1030 ranked at about 111 fps to 120 FPS average with it low is functionally equivalent between the two configurations as expected csgo is almost laughably easy to run on any modern hardware configuration even a 300 dollar gaming box overwatch provides another low load FPS eSports title with medium settings we appear to be bound again by the GPU both CPU configurations ranked at roughly 60 1 to 64 FPS average with invariance for this title and those are functionally equivalent we're able to sustain about medium settings on this PC build and not bad overall for a non eSports title with the higher quality graphics we can look at Ghost Recon wildlands at 1080p and low settings this puts into perspective how much a GT 1030 will struggle with a higher fidelity games we're at 38 FPS average when running low quality settings which subsequently looked pretty bad actually you really wouldn't want to play at this quality Ghost Recon it very high is obviously going to be completely unplayable on this configuration but let's get a chart on the screen anyway the point of this is to demonstrate relative performance scaling versus our standardized GP review bench which does use a 7700 K mind you and the GPUs listed the G 45 60 doesn't matter much here as the GT 1030 is choking the entire pipeline for perspective of scaling we get about 68% perforins uplift by stepping up to the next worst configuration total war Warhammer is one of the games where we leverage to our existing data pool just for some perspective although not really that playable or enjoyable on the low-end platforms we're testing today benchmarking at 1080p high still allows us to establish some relative scaling versus CPUs with our standardized 1080 TI test GPU again all the other CPUs were tested in our CPU reviews so we had a 1080i with those with these low end platforms we end up at about 21 FPS average for the G 45 60 and the GT 1030 or about 30 FPS average for the R 3 1200 overclocked the variant also using the GT 1030 this establishes just how much vertical Headroom there is four components if we were to upgrade things but let's move on to 1080p medium for a bit more realism where we observe a GPU bottleneck at about 36 FPS average with both CPUs roughly equally constrained by the $80.00 GPU there's not a lot of room for growth here until we upgrade really both the components although the GPU needs it the most for one final relative performance identifier times pi it shows us that the overclocked are three 1200 performs significantly better in its physics processing for this test leading the G 45 60 by about 50% GPU scaling shows us has roughly equal in both configurations as you'd expect with the rx for a 64 gigabyte card leading by about 60% so this is where we get into the smaller details ignoring the AP use the reviews should be live when this video goes live but we'll have ours soon ignoring the AP is what you're looking at is a situation where for a couple extra dollars you can significantly improve your performance by going to something like well if they existed in rx 560 or a GTX 1050 or something like that but they're hard to find right now and frankly not everyone can scrounge up another twenty to forty dollars to improve their PC build so the question then can you actually play games reasonably and be happy with something like this and an 80 to 100 dollar CPU and the answer is depend on the types of games you want to play yes you can play eSports titles you can play rocket League overwatch counter-strike dota anything that's similar to those games you could play just fine even to a lesser extent Total War it'd be a bit of a push through some of the battles but if you lower the settings enough you can play it it's not quite as enjoyable with those lower settings but the eSports titles optimized really well they're naturally not that intensive and so yes get away with playing those anything higher end than that once you start looking at GTA Ghost Recon things of that nature anything with the high fidelity graphics it is going to be a problem and it is probably a waste of money to buy something like this for one of those games because you're gonna end up in a year or less replacing it because it'll just not be able to take it anymore so it's gonna come down to what kind of games you play and if the answer is I play basically things that look like counter-strike overwatch and dota and not much more intense stuff than that then yeah you're gonna get shaped with these the next question of course is should you buy an APU and for that I'll tell you to subscribe and check back within a couple days because we'll have an answer for you very soon hopefully on I think the 2400 G that we have coming in that's the interesting one from Andy to look at so that's it for this one subscribe for more as always you go to patreon.com/scishow upset directly and of course that review should have more thermal and power data as well so you'll want to check 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