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if you missed the for our livestream for overclocking and our hashtag rip J hashtag rip Paul stream following up our critically-acclaimed hashtag repeal TT stream you missed a lot because kingpin joined in for a bit in chat yes it was the actual kinsman we verified it with EVGA live during the stream and Jay was in chat Paul or Paul's wife I'm not sure one of the two was on Paul's account during during the stream joining on chat and Paul just got his own on V link bridges so now looks like the battle is really just getting going even though we tried to end it earlier by taking number one on the treaty mark times by extreme hall of fame for now wait a minute j-just place to score 101 points higher than ours while we were filming this video so we're gonna come at this with a lot more mods next time but it's still important to go through the recap of all the hardware for the last streams like you get up to where we are now and then check back for the modded version of this later before that this video is brought to you by Power colors red dragon Vega 56 which is now below MSRP on new I got $380 with a rebate from the 28th to the 30th of September when we first tested Vega 56 we found the card competitive and fun for tweaking and modding and now that it's back in stock it's worth the consideration Vega 56 also comes with three free games including Assassin's Creed Odyssey star control and a strange Brigade while supplies last learn more at the link below kingpin says I'm benching with J what that's how is that fair huh 14 862 that's good 1141 you know I wanted to that's the same exact scores last time that's consistent the only huije there is I'm not no idea why Vince said that I think he's Charlie here I don't know who to believe before we get into all the overclocking numbers the bios settings the GPU settings all that stuff we did we did have a secret weapon in here and I'll get to that too actually couple secret weapons but the bench itself was the primary weapon and this thing is one of the craziest benches we've ever built it could certainly be better we could do more with liquid cooling on the GPUs but just a point a few things out the hardware used for the stream so we have a super fat radiator it's a 360 rad and I just through whatever fans we had available on it so we've got a soon on maglev fan which is running at 3000 rpm right now in fact it's blowing so hard that I can feel the air all the way over here about 10 feet away and then maybe 10 12 feet away one of the cardboard boxes on our set shelf is moving from the wind so a lot of air flow going on on the bench to Corsair ml fans are on there as well with the soon on fan so all of our heaviest Duty cooling is on the CPU and the reason for that is because we have trouble getting this 79 80 X e to stabilize that anything higher than 4.8 gigahertz so having all that cooling helps us get to 4.9 on a couple cores but not all J has us handily beat there his CPU goes up as high as 5.1 although he and I were talking or both experiencing concerns of potential cpu quality degradation at this point but his CPU definitely goes higher he can make up a lot of points there our memory is helping us out - we've got G scale Triton Z hit set to 4000 mega so it can do 3600 is the xmp:rating but we've got it to 4,000 go over the settings later then of course the actual star of the show was the env link bridge and the GPUs so for this we have an EVGA XC ultra card that is unmodified completely there's no shunt mod or anything then on the front card we have that setup with our hybrid cooling solution which is just a it's the only radiator that would fit that I had to be quiet it's not looped to a tee we used it for the Titan V as well and that's hooked up on the GPU core the memory so when we checked during the stream just you check with thermocouples and then validate it was something like an IR just an IR gun for the temperature and as long as it's a blackbody you don't have any emissivity issues then you can get a pretty accurate measurement it's not like it's reflective copper or something like that so just taking readings with the somewhat accurate IR me a gun or thermocouple we get about 50 degrees Celsius on the hottest memory module when it's under load and that is something like 20 or 30 below stock with the stock Nvidia cooler so we did pretty well on cooling the vrm and the RAM and that is because used the as the verge would call them tweezers to hook up a 120 fan to the back this is a gentle typhoon fan it's known for its reliability but it's okay for airflow too so that's shoving air into the left half of the vrm for both cards it's also getting air over the memory modules where we need it we have just a knock to 140 up here as exhaust we have a knock to 140 in the front for intake into the vram and then the GPU cooling for the second card is hooked up with two ml 140s and those did a decent job but at this point the next thing we need to do is probably fill a bucket with ice and chill one of the radiators so whether that is the GP or the cpu radiator not sure we're both hey you buy an actual big like proper cooler like you would take I don't know to the beach or something and fill that with ice that's probably the better way to go and then liquid cool both cards right now we're being held back most by the EVGA card which is air-cooled and while the card is fine it's getting hot for what we're doing and that's because we have our secret secret weapon on it which is a BIOS mod so here's the deal with that this card by default goes to a 130 percent power offset so stock it's plus 1 30 percent for the power target we worked with the XOC community and I believe soda J and both of us got a V bios build that goes to one 54 percent offset so the core gets pretty damn hot it's it's 70s 80s depending on what test is running how long it's been running and that impacts clocks heavily because n videos boosts algorithm I get or their boost stepping really it's a lookup table the boost lookup table kind of freaks out once you get past 28 degrees Celsius and it starts down stepping all the way so you drop clocks at like 28 drop clocks at temperatures all the way up until 63 70 179 and so forth so colder we can get this card the better our scores will be so be able to retaliate once J beats our score at the top right now we have a few other things here so we've shunt modded the worst card we have which is the founders Edition card the FE card pushes about 850 offset on the memory clock and we need to go and look for Delta clocks find like a better setting for it but 850 s its max not necessarily the best and the core only offsets it's a bit below the EVGA one so the the worst card is dragging both down because SLI and so we shut modded the worst card and we can show some shots of that but we've got liquid metal on the shunt resistors so the shunt resistors currently have a bit of liquid metal on it you should be careful with this if you put way too much on there it can one drip off and short other components and destroy the PCB or if you put it all over the solder joints you can actually cause it to fall off but we only leave it there for benching so it doesn't really matter for us clean it off afterwards the better way to do this would be to piggyback solder a like three million resistor on top of the five million resistor but we've got looking metal on there for an hour spine so we put that on both of the shunt resistors and that helped us a bit with the power target but still kind of limited on the GPU side so that is where we got into the CPU overclocking which fortunately we're using a high wattage power supply so the 79 80 XC with two GPUs and all these fans it's and I was pulling north of a thousand watts for the whole thing so we have a 1600 watt X 1600 ion there and I'll show you the BIOS settings to that we used for getting that top score on 3d mark here the scores thence recap those we end up at 14,000 367 after getting some help before getting help most well actually pretty much entirely on my own we were at 14,000 215 ish and then came VIN jumped into chat and you know all caps said dude don't tell me you forgot about the Nvidia control panel settings and proceeded to explain to us that we needed to change a few things so this is I gave Jay all this advice to you so that it's fair it's still the two of us against each other without too much too much puppetmaster eaten by kingpin so kingpin was in chat for most the stream was actually a lot of fun and we appreciate him joining but he did point out that this slider here which is the adjust image settings with preview slider in the Nvidia control panel can be set to performance instead of and then the managed to use settings options globally if you have the 3dmark program setting set to use the global settings otherwise use three mark stand-alone settings and program settings so the options and here that we want to change are the power target so power management mode needs to be in maximum performance and that just tells it not to throttle down for any reason and then also you can set the texture filtering to be high-performance as well and so this is still a valid score within 3dmark doing these things it's considered normal tweaking it is not changing the actual benchmark you're not modifying 3dmark or anything like that it still falls within fair modifications so that is fairly significant that gained us like another couple hundred maybe another two hundred points in the graphics core and that mattered quite a bit for what we were doing overall and then for the actual scores so we were at fourteen three sixty seven after that and that was a fifteen thousand fifty-three graphics score with a cpu score of eleven thousand for 22j his most recent submission and he's been he's been working on beating our scores since so it might change by the time this video goes up his most recent submission as i'm filming was fourteen thousand forty three so we passed this one he's at fourteen thousand eight eighty four for graphics were bit ahead there and a decent amount of that is from that settings change because up until that point we're about a hundred points behind him cpa scores at ten thousand six thirty eight or a bit ahead of him there as well he called into the stream and maybe we can drop some of that call into the the call was because chat was telling me that J is newest score 3d mark hall-of-fame went down because it's we sent too many people there so went out I couldn't track people were saying J's newest graphic score was seventeen thousand points and I was just like okay there's no way we can beat that but he called in and to know their lines either trolling you I don't believe you so this is where he sits right now he's having CP degradation issues we are concerned about that as well but J is probably gonna respond he's got some graphics room where he can beat us there and then the CPU is where he's gonna have to pick up most of his points to really pull ahead but there is we're still pretty close neck-and-neck right now for bio settings we have a lot to improve in the memory tab but on the CPU tab we're at 48 X for the multiplier I know for a fact we can push the first four cores to 49 and still survive and definitely the first two so that'll gain us some score even in the graphics department because one thread is primarily responsible for rendering and feeding draw calls to the GPUs so we push one to 49 that will help these scores even in the GPU Department so that's a consideration for us once we need to retaliate again match ratio we have a 33 I think and J if I'm wrong about this feel free to correct me in the comments if you do see the video but I think J might have had a lower mesh ratio than us and that definitely contributes to the scorer difference to mesh is a big deal on these 79 ATX processors then for the rest so we have extreme voltage mode enabled that we disabled the Vedra down here VIN B droop is off extreme voltage mode is on we're pushing a VIN of 1.95 V core we haven't only 1.30 right now and go up higher because cooling supports it so we could push that higher or you keep it where it is right now because I've tried at 1.4 with 4.9 gigahertz and it doesn't hold the mesh we have at one point three eight this is getting into territory where we're a bit concerned about degradation I'd like to be closer to one point three five but it will not hold 100% of the time if we do that and then for SI system agent and io voltage we have one point two those are holding pretty well and then we have 500 offset for uncor for memory this is where our weakest settings are right now and where we can improve the most so running at one point six five volts on the dims they can handle a lot more we can push one point eight no problem and we've done it before so we have room to go there for voltage frequencies 4000 times we have 15 15 15 28 which is pretty damn good for this kit of memory we can't get it down to 14 unfortunately we've tried everything else currently is auto and in the past we have used profiles that had us fine-tuning these so in the past with the ripple TT stream we had a 15 28 set of primary timings we did four on our d6 for our DL and so forth so we tuned all these which we didn't do last night because we started experienced a lot of crashing so this is where we stand right now while actually the previous setting was where we stand right now but we have a few more things we can do to push that score further so the last thing I wanted to show that I forgot about is actually our reservoir and pump mounting solution which is a block of spare wood two clamps and then some screws to hold that in just sort of didn't tip over during the stream we've got this hooked up to longer pipes than necessary so that it can route everything into a nice box we want to later so that's our next big move for the motherboard the vrm is doing fine the X 299 dark has these vrm fans on it so it runs really well it's the best cool DRAM in Ex 299 that we've tested so we might want to add a fan though just via like a bendable arm or something over the memory modules because those start getting hot toward the end of the stream but they seem fine I think they're within spec memory can take a lot of heat so that's the bench that's the settings everything a lot of fun on the stream of course our thanks to Kane pin for joining in and in that call I passed all that info to Jay and fairness so he's got it too he can respond probably beat our score now we'll see though you can follow jay or us on Twitter to get updates of this live he's been tweeting about CPU degradation and we've been interacting with him there but otherwise I think Paul is gonna jump in soon so Paul open invitation join this battle and - we already know that you threw in the flag last time but you know if you feel like picking it back up by which I mean if Alex feels like picking it back up then feel free to join as well otherwise we were in talks with 10 pin and EVGA about potentially either us flying out there or them flying here probably I'd go there to California and join kingpin and Jay and maybe Paul or someone else in EVGA HQ and we can do like a final OC battle there with with kingpin overseeing it all because really as we said in the stream so he says have to sell homie that's sad it's actually really sad it's kind of sad kingpin said it's lonely half atop he gets lonely up there where he's so good now that he's not even part of the competition anymore if if he is first we just consider second place to be first because it's not fair Robo clocker does all the work for him these days he just sits back and watches it go so with the closed-loop liquid-nitrogen setup how are we gonna compete and so the way he decided to stay in the game keep himself entertained is to on a day after his birthday no less join in to a four hour livestream chat and then puppet master Jay and myself against each other so he can make his pawns battle each other because he no longer has anything he needs to do to win first place and anything at this point so a lot of fun doing all that with everyone thank you for joining and of course you can subscribe for more go to store da Gama's nexus net to help us out directly there because the store directly supports our live streams and ability to do them or patreon.com slash cameras and axis thank you for watching I'll see you all next time