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hashtag Gert ripp LTTE was a success if you missed our three hour long livestream basically our goal it was a friendly media battle with lioness media group and their team they passed one of our top 10 rankings recently for the 3dmark Hall of Fame and we can't really compete in the same league as people like kingpin or dev our when he's actually trying but we can compete in the same league as - so that was what the livestream was this is a quicker recap for you this is a test bench it's a little crazy we have to 360 rads right here I'm going to go through all the parts and we'll go through all the settings that we used and then and talk a bit about some of the overclocking challenges endeavors we went through for this stream before that this video is brought to you by Thermaltake and the view 71 enclosure the view 71 is a full tower case that's capable of fitting three video cards and most configurations it's also one of the better cooling cases in our recent case testing bench lineup the view 71 has hinged a tempered glass doors on either side that make it easy to open and show off and it comes with at least one rain fan though you can get the RGB version if you prefer learn more at the link in the description below so let's start with the bench components first of all this is our Titan V it's been put under a water block from ek we shorted the shunts on it some people complain that shorting shots is bad for them I don't care one it's not your card - we're competitively overclocking I buy it for purposes of using it to make money because that's what a media production channel does so really that opinion is irrelevant but the point is we shorted the shunts on the Titan v which did give us an extra couple percentage points in terms of performance because it helps smooth out the frequency a bit we've got that under an EK water block for the Titan V which is going to an ek 360 radiator and then for cooling options this is a completely closed loop I mean it's an open loop technically but it's only going to the GPU so we have pumping and reservoir for that plus the 360 radiator to much we have mounted a soon on Maglev fan this is the supplier for Corsairs magma fans we have a Corsair ml fan up here we have an ek Vardar it's a bit of a mix of things and then for the other radiator we have two ml pros and one of the ml nan pros it's a thermal take flow radiator or liquid cooler so the choices for both of these were to isolate the loops first of all and then also you just fast pumps you get the liquid into the radiator as quickly as we could and cool it down so the CPU and the GPU are entirely in closed loops for other cooling elements we had thermal grizzly cryo not on the GPU for thermal paste we had fuji polly pads that we just recently bought a bunch of plus we had a viewer sent some in for separate tests and we'll be doing later thermal grizzly cryo not on the thermal take liquid cooler and then under the IHS we have thermal Grizzly conduct or not so we've got liquid metal going to the IHS and then a high high thermal conductivity paste going to the cold plate for the motherboard we've gotten EVGA x2 989 dark board that actually has proven to be extremely good we really like the dark motherboard so far you can see build Zoids PCB over here on our channel for more on that but it's a it's got two small fans on the vrm they were completely within check the whole time there's also a knock to a fan up here this is an NFA 14 I think that was placed there because we weren't fully confident that the every component on the card was getting proper cooling from the block we had about 90 percent confidence but just to make sure we didn't get a thermal shutdown from anything overheating or any runaway issues with the arms that were uncovered stuff like that because it was all thrown together quickly we just put a knock to a fan up there to blast air down the back and the front of the card just to make sure it's cooled so that's most of the components in t'lie 939 a DX II which became a meme on the stream that's the CPU we use we had it overclocked a bit I'll go through those settings later and for the power supply also important we had a Corsair a X 1600 I which is one of the best power supplies you can get right now however this stream before we even started started out by tripping the circuit breaker that the system was on because we had this plugged in with the streaming pc plugged in and this machine was drawing about a thousand watts on its own so that's how we were a bit late but that's the system memory g.skill Trident Z is what we end up using it's thirty six hundred megahertz kit we overclocked it to four thousand mega Hertz and I think it's CL I don't know if it's sixteen or eighteen but we brought down the timings a bit as well across the board so that's pretty much what we use now that we've gone over the hardware so you know what we use to get the scores the next thing is to look at the scores themselves and how we got them from a software side so we ended up there are two different ranking systems we're placing on one is the 3d mark Hall of Fame that's the one that 3d mark and feature mark regulate and have ownership of the other ones Hardware bar or HW bot and we submitted scores to each so we end up with fourth place four times five extreme single GPU on the 3d mark Hall of Fame which is right above gunslinger who holds a score of 82 63 and right below JP actually not write quite a bit below JPM boy who holds a score of 84 89 we were at 80 to 85 so the distance there is primarily established at this point by things like ln2 chillers better cooling systems things like that the kingpin of course way far and away at the top with 9,000 points so for our score we end up pushing a bit further after the stream ended and the primary contributors to increase in the score were allowing the room to cool down the room got pretty warm running the benchmarks for two and a half hours plus the streaming equipment so am bein room temperature drops by about 4 degrees Celsius after we stop the stream that was enough to give the Titan be a bit more thermal Headroom for boosting a bit higher and then the other significant change was I pushed the CPU so that the first two cores were 49 X multiplier instead of 48 the rest were 48 and then we pushed the GPU overclocked a bit higher as well 115 megahertz for the HBM 115 for the core which seems to be about where stability stopped so that extra 15 megahertz or so for hbm's who actually helped a lot and our score was comprised of a graphic score of 78 73 and a CPU score of 11,000 779 for the next rank up that would be JP Mboya 80 for 89 points which although it doesn't look like a lot is actually a pretty significant lead and JPM boys score is comprised of an eighty two hundred and three graphic score and ten thousand 586 cpu score so he's actually about a thousand twelve hundred points behind in CPU and about four hundred points ahead and GPU and despite us still having a greater lead in terms of cpu score the difference here is that four times by extreme which is primarily GPU bound GPA score matters the most and this ranking system illustrates that because he ends up with two hundred more total points at eighty four eighty nine while having an extra 400 GPU and a deficit of twelve hundred per CPU so that's most of the scoring difference above JPM boy is slinky and I'm kingpin and both of those are significantly higher that gets into ln2 overclocking class whereas we were running with just air and liquid and then below us is gunslinger for point of reference - tech tips and team they're eighty ninety two score was comprised of a seventy seven thirty one graphics score pretty close to ours and a CPU score somewhat distant at eleven thousand nine and that's partly because they didn't really optimize much of their platform on the memory side or the CPU side but they had a pretty good GPU in terms of pinning so what that shows is that GPA score matter is a lot more four times by extreme because times by extreme is primarily GPU bound so an extra couple hundred points in GPU one is way harder to achieve than a extra couple hundred points in CPU up until a certain degree and also has way more weight to it so yeah that other 200 points for GPU is not really going to be feasible for us on the card we have without some kind of more exotic cooling to push it there so hopefully that gives kind of an idea for what we ended up doing in terms of memory tweaking there's still room to go we were stable at one point at CL 15 we ran CL 16 for the entire stream so we might have another couple points we could add out there but I ended up just going for CL 16 because I didn't want to fight with the memory for off the stream it's just not fun for anyone but overall 4.9 gigahertz on two cores 4.8 on the rest for the other settings I've topped my head I think we're at one point three five one point three six vcore for the CPU and we were one point nine five for the other CPU voltage setting with the extreme voltage option enabled we also had a VSA of 1.2 to 5 io of 1.2 v mesh offset 500 millivolts and mesh was at 32x as well which seems pretty standard for these AV x offsets disabled memory we had a couple tune settings on it so here's what we had from memory this is a thirty six hundred megahertz g.skill kit as noted earlier we set up to 4,000 megahertz we set the dim voltage 21.85 it was some i stable at 1.8 as noted CL 16 with 2640 wrasse other changes include r rd s @ 4r dl at 6 we had t fought at 16 think it defaults to something like 44 and then command rate 1 of course for the rest TW r is a setting that we might be able to drive drive down to 16 but it would require a tighter maximum setting you can set maximum in windows through ms config and tell how much memory to limit itself to but we would need to restrict that more which would cut into our time spy extreme memory requirements so left it auto for now set 340 RFC maxed out TR efi at 32 77 and 640 c ke then everything that was set to 15 auto we changed to 6 so that b RW d r r w DD and r WS r so those are the main memory settings we changed i guess we can I'll just show you the BIOS settings for the CPU as well through this one all the voltages obviously you know this do this at your own risk you can damage things stuff that but we did a 1.95 for vin 1.36 vcore which was pushing us to about 95 degrees Celsius and worth cases and that's where we start running to limits unlike GPUs their CPUs are less sensitive they just have a hard to stop 1.35 4v mesh and for the uncor offset as I was talking about earlier 500 millivolts encore offset with IO 1.2 sa 1.2 to 5 as noted earlier so those are all of our settings if you were curious about them and 49 on the cores camera or if we ran that for the final square I think we did though it's semi-stable some benchmarks cause that to crash others don't but that's that's pretty much all the BIOS settings if you were curious and finally for scoring and for where everyone lands four times why extreme 80 to 85 was our final score that put us at fourth place for reference the lioness was our benchmark to beat he was at eighty ninety one and during the live stream we had a point where we hit 80 no he's at 80 92 during the live stream we had a point where we hit 80 91 so we were one point away which is within margin of error we ended up doing some tuning - it got 80 99 for the first score that beat lionesses team score and then after that our next push was 280 215 I think and then 80 222 and then later 82 85 which shows you just how much an extra couple megahertz here and there can get you for fire strike semi competitive benchmarking because it's a matter of 15 extra megahertz if you quit before then that's another one or two places in the leaderboard we would have fallen down so lioness ends up at seventh and hopefully he'll he'll retaliate and do something to challenge us we're in fourth right now four times by extreme 80 to 85 versus his 80 92 we've got serve and gunslinger between us JPM boy above GN with the more unreachable levels King Ben and slinky above that four times by normal non extreme so first disclaimer all these next few benchmarks didn't really try very hard and they have different requirements some of them are more CPU bound we didn't tune any further we just ran the same settings we did by extreme what you shouldn't do but four times by normal we end up at 15 four nine four which is eighth place and then for fire strike ultra eighth place at nine thousand six fifty five not too far away from seventh if we wanted to push for fire strike extreme we ended up in fourth place behind Johnny Flash and slinky PC we could probably try and push for third but fourth is where we are right now and then for fire strike the normal one thirty two thousand seven ninety three points this is becoming more of a CPU bound test to some extent and that has a nine so that's that's the whole scoring hierarchy of where we ended up at the end of that stream lots of fun hardware bots were in third four times by extreme fewer people submit there but I want to make one point here before we close out and that's for anyone at Hardware bot if you're listening or anyone else who runs a competitive overclocking site in speaking with some of the people I've worked with on the overclocking side I think we can all agree to some extent that need to be price divisions of some kind kind of like anything else where there's competition like I don't know a track-day with cars or something if you're getting semi-serious with competition there should be some kind of cutoff in terms of how much money you can put into your test vehicle in this case our test bench and compete within the same class of people so a world record ranking where it's just anything goes it's cool that's basically we have now at the same time though a lot of the overclockers you really deserve to be competing who are more serious overclockers than we are don't necessarily have $5,000 worth of two parts GP is three grand CP is two thousand or something like that and the motherboards 500 the memory is very expensive these days so what I'm getting at is this is a lot of fun but also people like Linus and even to some extent really us we don't have a whole lot of business being in the top ten the reason people like Linus and myself can get there is because we have the hardware from review that we do and because as a business that does review is not overclocking we can buy those parts so it's a little unfair to be sitting on top of between two parts $5,000 of components for all the people who are much better overclockers in a skill sense but don't have the same parts arsenal that we do so I would love to see Hardware bots or someone else make price divisions where they're like the limit for this category is $2,000 and your prices need to align with whatever's on nu I gammas on whatever otherwise you can't enter because you'll be over the the price value for your rig and you'll be in the next price category that's limited at $4,000 something like that because otherwise what will happen is as Nvidia and Intel continue to push these ultra high in parts the charts will just be filled with media who don't deserve to be there but have access to everything so that's all I want to say on that lots of fun though for the live stream thank you for joining to watch it if you were there we will do more of these in the future not sure when yet make sure to follow us on Twitter so you can catch the next one and of course for all of you who bought the mod mat during the live stream thank you go to store it on gamers nexus net to buy one of the new mod mats we will be shipping them in about a week to ten days now they are already in the US just waiting for them to get to us then they'll go out the door to everyone who bought them so pick one of those up and 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