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I don't like why would you do this they glued it why man oh man this is super messed though oh my god everyone today we're taking apart the new Nvidia r-tx 2060 and this is the reference card founders edition card as they call it it's still a dual fan design but it's been shrunk in a bit so it's it's a baby version still a little tiny baby RTX card the size difference is about 22 and I have 23 centimeters on the 2060 vs. almost 27 centimeters on the 28 ETI but we need to see what's inside of it it should be a bit interesting because the PCB does not come all the way to the end of the card and yet the power connector is at the end of the card and this is something we saw with the 1060 as well and it's something that on the 1060 required really interesting and sort of annoying to work with cable routing where they they run some cables along the top of the shroud and then solder them to the board so we're gonna look at that and see how they routed the cable what kind of PCB and BRM it has all that stuff today we'll have a separate video for the review if you haven't already seen that it'll be on the channel before that this video is brought to you by thermal grizzly and their high-end thermal compounds thermal grizzly makes cryo not paste for high thermal performance and conductivity without being electrically conductive so you don't have to worry about shorting components cryo knot is particularly good for replacing stock GPU pastes as cryo knot is a non curing compound learn more at the link in the description below specs and performance will be in the review as always and overall it's well it's the same cooler so thermally you can check our review for how it did but Nvidia actually gave us to their credit a lot of lead time this time with the r-tx 2060 which is really appreciate there's a lot of video card launches we typically have as little as 1 to as much as maybe 6 days to review the product having a couple of weeks like 10 to 14 days is huge to being able to produce better content and that means that at the point of filming this we actually I'm not even sure when the embargo lists that's how far hot it is so we'll leave the rest of the discussion to the review but externally it still has the small screws that we typically find on these and video reference boards and on the backside of cooler it's got the four largest screws that are probably spring tension for the cooler it's got still the same six screws for the expansion PCIe slot and the new one is on this side on the the power connector side of the board it's got three larger screws and then the base plate and the cooler the heatsink do look a bit different so let's take it apart and see what it looks like underneath get a good look at the PCB NVRAM while we're at it just to illustrate the size difference the text barely even fits on the twenty sixty whereas on the twenty eighty on the ti you can see something's gonna snap man there's a lot of glue well this as you saw in the flashback was a huge pain to remove and we're not gonna probably try and remove that on the 2060 today but we'll see we'll see how it goes so first thing we recommend generally is taking out the small screws and working around to the larger ones these are typically a I think it's Phillips 0 size so on the original design there were 14 of these small screws and we've taken off from a apart at this point where it takes about five minutes to take it apart if you're really kind of trying to do it fast but it is a slow process the first few times this one has one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven of the small screws they've gotten rid of three proud of you on video got rid of three screws on the original if you missed the original coverage it is sort of entertaining we did have a two-part series taking apart the the shroud assembly was actually pretty confusing it was tricky the way they did it they Nvidia so I mean it looks like you just kind of take these four screws out but as we showed in our piece what ends up happening is you you take the heat sink fan off with the shroud then you have the PCB so if you want to do water cooling mods that's pretty easy if you want to take this apart like for service maintenance replace a fan anything like that it was a huge pain and the way to do it was to take a heat gun blast it out this front nameplate which has on the 20 80s and 2017 glue underneath it and then pop a screwdriver up in there and pry it off which well I mean there's a reason that it looks like that now it's really not worth adding it back so not sure I guess really the point is Nvidia used an absurd amount of screws at the point where it was just I mean it was it was almost literally one screw per r-tx op of which there were like 76 or something on the on that series card so whether they do that again we'll see it's sound like they had a ton of time to change the designs it's not like they particularly care what we think but it did seem over-engineered and not necessarily in a way that was beneficial to anything okay so the plates pretty much free we've got two panhead screws here here's the back plate on Vail and that's it there are two throttle pads they look like Fuji poly pads we have again the small I think these are four millimeter screws but this time there are fewer of them there are three fewer just like there were three few of the small ones small ones socket into these we need to take those out there's our four millimeter hex head and then okay so those are not four do they change the size or am i amis remembering is that three point five Wow that's messed up why did they do that okay so well first of all let's look at the back plates 28:27 t20 80 TI you've got the bit more effort put into throwing pads on the backside is it relevant well we'll see in thermal and power testing which will be more on the review not here but you can't see the backside of capacitor bank and dr. line right there MOSFETs are gonna be opposite of these caps probably the point is none of that is synced into the back plate instead we have the coating on it which is to prevent any any direct shorts but anyway that might not be too relevant what is just sort of annoying though is that NVIDIA has changed the size for whatever reason to three point five millimeters I don't like why would you do this I don't know they're already they're already buying a million of these screws you might as well just keep using those so there's a 3.5 and these are four four it's not really a big deal just sort of odd and it's its own video it's it's a very Nvidia thing to do how to change the screw size on there already odd screw selection but whatever we'll deal with it back to this one there are I think I said 11 of these they're pretty good fit there I'll give them that and they use the red loctite on them damnit it's gonna keep happening these are like really in there every time that's why they changed it make it more exact fit alright so a couple more of these and while I've been working I've been tracking the screws just on the the mod mat so if you haven't already picked one up you can buy one of these mod mat build services I'm working on on store doc gamers nexus net it has a grid screw tracker for video cards just like this one and then a wiring diagram for PCIe pinouts over here that we can use later when we're checking the shunt resistor paths so we'll be checking against twelve volt on the shunt resistor legs to see which one corresponds to which which had real a next thing we're gonna do is there are oh it's got DVI I haven't seen that in a while on an Nvidia card so three of those larger screws pH set zero that's one Phillips one and then three Phillips 0 and then a 4 millimeter hex head it looks like four think that is four this time which is also why it's kind of annoying that I really made that change cuz it's gonna be separate sizes that might be five that we'll see five millimeter hex head begins to separate for sure I'm thinking it's gonna be stuck ya see the wire oh that's pretty annoying actually okay we're gonna be careful this one so the shroud is gonna separate from the cooler if I remove these two screws which seems like it will make it easier to remove the PCB without damaging anything just because of the the way the cables are soldered ends that PCIe header or into the board from the PCI you had her yes that's nice that's easier than previously I've got this cable that I'm stuck to though it's gonna be on the right side of the board so what's the best way to get this out those wires right there those fat ones are the ones going to this PCIe header and then that ribbon or not really ribbon cable with that set of wires there that goes to the RGB LEDs and the fan Oh theoretically RGB LEDs that are deactivated anyway so I can get that disconnected I've gotten it out on that side but these are these are more problematic so because what I can see they appear to be soldered not connected which leaves me questioning how I'm gonna reconnect that fan later other than a lot of patience I guess and this is super messed up that's kind of really fun to reconnect later what do I do Thank You Phi separate oh there we go okay cool I took awhile to figure out but it didn't really achieve a whole lot for us unfortunately it's gonna say I think if I separate the heatsink from the base plate then this will be easier and I don't know if that's accurate but my plan at this point is to try and get this cable at I have to transfer the camera try and get this cable for the fans out because if I can get that out then I can get the rest of the board out without damaging the power connectors but it really did a good job of closing this one up and making sure you can't really hear okay so there's the fan Kalon try and walk you through everything fan cable there this does not disconnect on the fan side it's all soldered so I've disconnected it from the PCB which you can kind of see there that that's the wiring right there that connector is not in a socket right now I took it apart so it's loose but the biggest concern is I need to fish that fan cable out somehow now that the the base plate has been separated from the card why man all of this just to get a friggin cable off to the side so that they like this seems like a Jensen decision like they didn't want the power header here because it would be in the middle of the card and would be ugly I guess and they can't make the shroud shorter because then both fans won't fit I think is my understanding yes that is true both fans wouldn't fit if they took this chunk off so power leads are right there you can you could solder something straight to it but they often not - I think I think if I get those screws out then I kind of free that cable shoutout to the viewer who sent us this hopefully get some yesterday there's two or three of these in there so there's a plate in there it's not really super visible on camera I don't know how to make it more visible but it's over the over the fan cable so I just took the screws out for that and the goal is to route the cable through you've got to be careful that PCB just hair on that screwdriver nice well there's a stupid plate okay now we can get the cable free they glued it nvidia did you not see the Walmart video there's a blob of hot glue in there what so not only is this cable obnoxiously routed through here to a point where like you can't even disconnect it without taking literally everything apart it also has a plastic cover with no meaningful labels on it plastic cover that sits here to help with cable management I guess and also make it impossible to take apart so you have to take this out which in my instance because I don't want to like rip the soldered end connectors out of the board which you can now see clearly right there I was using a right angle ratcheting driver which couldn't ratchet because there's not enough you know it's not enough resistance on it so then you're doing one turn that way and he gripped ratchet and then in quarter turn grip quarter turn so that takes forever on three screws and there's a fourth screw in there only one of them was accessible externally and I'd like without doing that process and then they glued in half of the cable just this top half actually is it all of it might be all of it some of its kind of dried oh my god and they glued it to this metal right angled like plate in there see that plate in there it's glued where the green one is why well I NVIDIA why do you hate specifically me that's what this comes to hunter someone at Nvidia is like Steve's gonna take this apart on camera and I and I want to watch I want to see if I can I can stop it before he gets too far see if I can stop him from revealing the dye okay so now what I guess I separate mmm that does not separate I just like a screw there to it that was that - that must hold down this thing so if I take that out maybe the header comes free I bet that's what happens next I think that's the next home that comes off and then this is now free all right okay so that was annoying Fuji poly pads we have lots of these so I can replace the torn ones one two three four five six memory modules Samsung memory on ours let's see there's memory up this is memory kind of draw a box around this there's your memory VRM this is your V core v RM and one two three four five six if we're counting inductors are there any doublers and yes nope no double e's following the rest of the twenty series getting ready to doublers GPU as tu 106 - 200 a - ka - a 1 so a 1 as always just a revision number T 106 is the GPU - 200 a is the sort of subclass of the GPU if there is one there might be another T 106 - 300 a for example a after the 200 is a demarcation of a higher bin so it'll overclock a bit higher it's a bit more expensive as opposed to the partners who have to buy the the a bin GPUs for more money or they can buy the non a ones for like the sort of on the the 20 70 that would be your your cheapest model I said what was at 500 bucks for the cheapest model or something those are all not a die size get a rough measurement so external measurement twenty four point four four wide 18.8 one tall I don't know that there's really much else to look at other than maybe the shunt resistor assignment it should just there's two of them so there's one here and then there is one shunt resistor there and one of these will go to PCIe and one will go to the PC a power cable so I'm guessing this good probably goes there that's continuous so if you look at the multimeter you'll see 0.1 for the resistance ohms and when it changes that's just me slipping off of it so 0.1 that says that this backside shunt is connected to the 12 volt PCIe cable and if you wanted to do a shunt mod for some reason on this card that would be where you would do it think that covers it think that back cards the PCB guess we didn't really look at this yet because it's all glued together let's let's try and do that so well we can see the bottom so what's happening here you've got a big copper block here it's bit thick that's not necessarily a good thing but it's just for clearance reasons it's so that they can get it down low enough to hit the GPU but you generally want to a you want more surface area not more density so anyway the copper cold plate their contacts and then that is connected with two heat pipes here so it is a heat pipe cooler there's another heat pipe hidden in this area here you can see the end of it there so heat pipe there and that if we actually look really closely and not sure how well the camera will see this but you can see where it's routed based on just an impression on the bottom side here so you can kind of see the outline of the heat pipe underneath this plate going like this into the cold plate and actually I can if if I look kind of down that slot I can see the copper turning so yeah it goes like this and then some foam for damping the blue thermal putty that they've used previously is back again and that is connecting the base plate to the heatsink it's connecting it to this the sort of rougher surface which I don't know if that's an aluminum or steel or what I think that's a loom and I'm pretty sure that's aluminum so baseplate connects to what we think is probably an aluminum base plate to the cooler and then on the underside you have the thermal pad some of which we'll be replacing with new ones of the same model I have all the all these same exact models here so thermal pads connect to the PCB goes through the base plate base plate has kind of the EVGA approach to EVGA zhan plate fin stacks that they did with IC X and that's present here as well so a bit of extra surface area there it's over the memory and over this is the bottom of the card so this is kind of near the chart the inductors and the bottom MOSFET that's near the top of the inductor that's yeah near the let's bit off to the side and then included in power cable and I for the fans so I think that covers I think that's that's everything this is not a vapor chamber so this is an aluminum fin stack heatsink with heat pipes cold plate and then air goes through it they call it and that's your cooling solution okay so I don't even know what I think of the video cards performance as we film this now it's in the review the all the testing is done I haven't looked at the data I haven't written the script at this point today keep in mind we film stuff in advance of embargo left so I don't I can't tell you that the me in this video can't tell you what I think of the video card but the review that's probably already up you can see what I think of it as far as performance power consumption cost all that stuff well we'll talk about here is the only thing I presently have thoughts on besides the the fact that we have test data I haven't really looked at yet the video Curtis M Blee is completely insane I don't know what like why NVIDIA insists on doing this to themselves and everyone else this is not this isn't cheap to do this is an expensive way to tell the video card there are pretty good coolers on them I get for video cards that the we know the cost of and so the video card partners the AV partners you know and probably by their their cards they spend area from twenty to fifty dollars on a cooler fifty being like the really expensive sort of high-end top-class cards and twenty and we're talking twenty eighty twenty eight see highs here twenty dollars being like the twenty seventy cheapest coolers and some of the twenty seventy cheapest coolers are perfectly fine and they would certainly be perfectly fine for this but I don't know what Nvidia's cost is to build this thing but it is crazy what they're doing because and that's the glue residue right there from the cable I guess like if you look at it so let's do kind of benefit of the doubt Occam's razor thin here not even that it's just it it might I be in confidence or malice I think it's just probably like they thought this was the best way to do it because Nvidia is not very experienced with building the actual cooler and anybody has been getting into this new design with a dual fan dual axial design so they're new to it they're doing a lot of really weird things to try and like secure the cable for example glue a plastic plate and like six screws I think one two three four five six seven screws to hold down the the cable just why I don't I don't quite get it the card might be totally fine it might be good value like I said check the other video it's just it's it's really gonna be difficult to maintain if you have to take it apart and it is pretty common to take a card apart to reapply thrown paste after maybe say three years because it starts hardening and you replace it and you got pretty significant performance gains thermal performance thermal reduction by replacing the paste every couple years from the stock initial pace that cures so that's a real thing people do and they don't have to be like modding it or anything crazy you just replace the paste and it's not gonna be easy with this card replacing the fans it won't be easy with this card in no way is this card an easily serviceable product and that's something that we don't like because generally speaking the ability to service a product either as a byproduct of the design because they the manufacturer and fewer screws therefore making it easier to take apart or because the company is actually making it an active effort making an active effort to make it easier to serve as the product ie Motorola with their new phones those are that's that's something we'd like to see because it's I mean if if you're buying a new phone because you can't replace the battery in it then that's a bad reason to buy a new phone if you're buying a new video card because it's getting too hot because it's been in your system for three years and there's dust caked in the inside that you can't see and you buy a new card instead of replacing the pads in the paste that's a bad reason to buy a video card unfortunately with this card it is a it's a bit of work it's not the worst it's not the biggest deal in the world to take it apart but there is inherently a bit more risk taking it apart these are pretty beefy soldered in there there are thick gauge cables but it's still not that difficult to snap that connection if you didn't take the the care we did today it's also just a lot of people aren't going to see this video when they go through that process and so they're gonna have to figure it out themselves it's again not terribly difficult just just why it's no reason for it to be this hard so whatever I don't know what Nvidia is doing this is this design is completely crazy it was just it was crazy with this card - I thought but this is actually I don't know if I want to say worse well it's rough because with this one like to take the entire cooler assembly apart since it's the the vapor chambers soldered to the rest of it it is a bit more difficult to get the cooler apart but to get to the PCB on this it's not that hard it's 14 18 20 26 screws you can get to the PCB and 26 screws on this without any weirdness going on with this one well we'll take a shot of the grid I have here to show the amount of screws that were involved it's not I don't know it's it's more about like the difficulty of just finding them and taking them out without damaging the the fan connector or the power connector so anyway that's the 2060 reference teardown you go to store that Carens access net if you want to buy a mod mat with a screw tracker because you might need it for one of these cards or eating it at patreon.com slash gamers access topside director you subscribe for more make sure you check our channel for the review and the other 2060 coverage I'll see you all next time