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Response to Tom's Hardware's Insane "Just Buy It" Post [RTX 2080]

2018-08-24
just by it there's a cost to delay in your purchase when you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes how much of it do you want to not have been rate raised what what the fuck is this is this satire Patrick is this satire before that this video is brought to you by Lian Lee's at LAN Cole one case the land coal one uses a mix of aluminium and steel to create a unique front bezel design that still manages to allow air through at the artistically cut panel fan mounting options are everywhere in the case and ease of installation features that make the case trivial for building a system the land coal one is competitively priced while still being constructed with high quality materials and a sturdy chassis learn more at the link in the description below I'm being told it's not satire so this is from Tom's Hardware the editor in chief the new one for now anyway of Tom's Hardware the editor-in-chief published an article called just buy it about the nvidia RT X GPUs look we're not saying they're not worth buying we actually don't know that's kind of the whole point no one's tested them yet but this entire article is complete lunacy it actually seems insane like delusional like the rantings of someone who's just gone so far off the rails I can't even tell if I've been had I don't know if they got me with this satire that's how crazy it is so today we're gonna be talking about quotes like like when you die do you want your life to not have been rate raised that's what we're doing today so this is the new article from Tom's Hardware let's just get one thing out of the way immediately generally speaking we don't recommend pre-ordering new GPUs or CPUs or things like that it does not mean that we think they're bad it means that we just think you should probably wait and see how they do and if it makes sense for your use case and the other thing here is this is like this is Tom's response as in Tom's hardware's response to the internet being a little unsure about the price of the new NVIDIA GPUs which is fine that's completely fair but the response is a little crazy so let's go through with things here line by line new technology gets cheaper if you wait long enough if you weigh long enough it's not new technology anymore that's the whole point of waiting and it not being new so we're off to a bad start here after but this whole article contradicts itself constantly they also said I don't know this one's pretty good the 15 inch Apple Studio display one of the first flat panel monitors cost two thousand dollars when it came out in 98 today you can get a used one on eBay for under $50 or a new 24 inch monitor for under 150 but if you bought one at the time you had the opportunity to use a fantastic new technology when others didn't what like what's the argument that I is though is it is this argument seriously the thing that YouTube comments are post on our videos is the whole argument really just like first first I was the first one to use it that's the argument that's what he's saying he's saying just buy it literally just buy it in quotes in the title because you can be first and that therefore makes you better another one here if if you can take another one so inevitably when a game-changing component or device hits the market many will urge you to stay away until prices drop or a new standard gets wider adoption yes I would say that is accurate but there's more that's why this week so many users including our own Derek Forrest and author at Toms Hardware are advising shoppers to hold off on buying one of Nvidia's new r-tx graphics cards however what these price panicked pundits wait this is just wait just did you just diss your own employee price panicked pundit Derek Forrest who said you should wait to buy the cards because presumably this person is reasonable I haven't met Derek but given that his employer is calling him panicked and insulting him in an article I'm willing to take his side on this one went further to say what these price panicked pundits like my own employee don't understand because they're idiots this is all the the parts that are in in brackets he didn't it's kind of implied what they don't understand is that there's value in being and early adopter and there's a cost to either delay in your purchase or getting an older generation product so you can save money I repeat that and just kind of truncate in the middle there's a cost to saving money the more GPUs you buy the more money you save that's right the more GPUs you buy the more money you save that is not how money works it is it is there are there's one instance where money works that way and it's not this one so there's a cost to delay in your purchase the only time that this makes sense is if you live and die by ray tracing maybe you're a developer and you really want to get ahead of the curve or maybe you're Pixar you render things that are a trace and you could actually use this to speed up the processing so that your movies get done faster then there is an opportunity cost to delay in your purchase if you are 90% of the people reading this article and you want to play games sometimes then no not buying something doesn't cost you money that's kind of how it works that's the whole point of not buying the thing is that in fact it does not have a cost as evidenced by the latter half of this sentence that says you can save money again contradicting yourself so this is the same kind of mentality where you walk into a department store see a bunch of stuff you don't need for sale in the impulse purchase aisle and go I can save so much money by buying all this stuff unless they are literally giving you money to take those things you're not saving or making any money in this transaction or perhaps if you were to use it for a business application as indicated previously but that's not really who this article was targeted at so opportunity cost here doesn't quite apply if you want to play video games like Avram the editor-in-chief of Tom's here seems to based on the I don't know do you want to your whole life without seeing a race race game comment then I would say yes actually you can save money by waiting a little bit and also just just a quick aside here isn't it kind of weird that a publication which gets because it reviews stuff so people know if they should buy it or not and saying actually just you know it just cut us completely out of the equation oh that's they're trying to help us Tom's is trying to help us they're trying to help us put them out of business by saying cut us out of the equation just buy the stuff you don't need third parties like us what do we know anyway and you know what Tom's actually I based on this article would probably agree with you and I'm so sorry to all of the author's at Tom's who actually know what they're talking about so uh next one here while we don't have final benchmark results just just stop man just just stop what are you doing the new features and enhanced performance of the Turing cards make them worth by now even at sky-high prices okay what happened Tom what have you become look at yourself I'm using Tom as an all-inclusive term here for anyone who works at Tom's Hardware the business model again of review media is that people wait for your validation to see if they should buy the thing so a bit odd you're telling everyone again to skip you and go straight to the product page and just to reiterate here we're not saying that the Nvidia RTX cards aren't worth buying we're also not saying they are worth buying because we don't know just like Tom's Hardware doesn't know kind of need to have it in hand and start testing it to know the answer to that so this isn't about Nvidia it's not about invidious prices it's not about r-tx even it's about the insanity of this content piece next one you could buy the last generation GTX 1080i for as little as five hundred twenty six dollars but if you do you won't be able to take advantage of T RT X features like real time ray tracing and great 4k gaming performance until your next upgrade first of all the 1080 TI does 4k just fine thank you very much so that is incorrect secondly you can't take advantage of it anyway because those games don't exist yet so sure some will eventually exist with r-tx or ray-tracing features or whatever but most people buy in a 1080 Ti are probably aware that it is in fact not a 20 80 TI so that doesn't make it bad at Tom's own suggested price of 526 dollars that's actually a great purchase so I I don't know I don't really quite get what this means in fact Andrew behind the camera and I tried to understand this paragraph for quite a few minutes and we couldn't come up with anything so very very confusing at that price actually the 1080 TI is a great deal so next point so the next one next line in here unless you plan to upgrade your GPU every year you're going to be stuck with technology that looks much more outdated in 2019 and 2020 then it doesn't when T 18 that is again accurate it also probably 2021 and 2022 and generally as things age they get older the next part of this yes there are only 11 announced games that support rate raising and only 16 that support DL SS but there will be a lot more in the months and years ahead do you want to put yourself behind the curve again is this is this satire I don't I genuinely don't understand the statement it sounds like he's saying unless you're going to do this thing that's crazy like upgrade your GPU every year you'll have outdated technology so Patrick I need your help so the question is what's the point that he is trying to convey but isn't he already he's arguing for upgrading your GPU every year yes he's saying if you bought a 1080 TI a year ago you should buy a 20 80 because that'll be the one that's good for the next 10 years yes except you should also upgrade it next year because you're upgrading every year and the games with rageface and won't be until months and years ahead this is actually this means next one the next statement in here at Nvidia's conference CEO Jensen Hahn describes it real-time ray-tracing as the quote holy grail of graphical computing while that statement might be hyperbole so we've we've established that he's not self aware okay next what this weekend Vidya showed a demo of battlefield 5 where you can see a muzzle flash from another part of the world reflected in a soldier's eyes and the fire from an explosion reflected off of the glossy finish of a car that's what you'd see if you were actually there participating in the fight and you'd also see the world in high resolution not just 1080p you'd also not see the world in pixels so or 4k for that matter not really sure that the 4k Fame is quite what we see the world then it's just like real life you know like how the soldiers feet slide across the ground when the animations break or when their necks become 16 feet long or other real life things like clipping through walls and guns clipping through walls and smoke clipping through the floor and fire that moves at a lower frame rate than the rest of the game and fire that is lower resolution than the rest of the game and sprites that are used in the game it's so realistic this fire that I can count the pixels as it's clipping through the objects that's how realistic it is so a few things here one that's wrong there's still visually inaccurate representations in this game even though it looks pretty good especially because it's not fully ray traced it's not literally real you do know that right Avram like it's it's not it's not actually real life secondly you'd probably if you were there participating in the fight you would probably be focused on shooting the bad guy or running and hiding not staring into his eyes thinking how beautiful they are with the fire in the muzzle flash in them so not really and by the way that's how it would be in the game let's be honest here game looks pretty good but when you're playing battlefield and you see a bad guy in front of you you or even a teammate doesn't matter it's battlefield you're probably gonna just try and throw c4 on him or another vehicle and blow it up not stare into the character's eyes and think about how beautiful it is and that this is the entire reason you bought the graphics card so according next quote here according to Nvidia's I own numbers the r-tx 20/80 delivers between 35 and 125 percent better performance on 4k games than the GTX 1080 the r-tx 20 80 delivers between 35 and 125 percent better performance you know somewhere between zero and infinity it's out there somewhere I see there it's either not better or whoa it's really good so that's a there's the Tom's Harbor performance analysis somewhere between zero and really really good that's the improvement you're looking for when you're among the first to purchase a new architecture like in videos our TX cards you take the risk that the technology won't work as well as advertised right away that you won't find a ton of titles that support its special features and that the price will drop making you feel like you wasted your money yes I am with you just so far however oh well you pay a premium for cutting-edge components you're also buying time timing to enjoy experiences what what does that mean buying time to enjoy experiences that buy your own sentence preceding this one don't exist yet I don't what does that like seriously sit down read the article read that paragraph and here's here's a fun audience participation everyone post a comment below on your interpretation of this it's kind of like when you go to a shrink and they show you a bunch of ink blots and ask you what it means that's what this is it's actually a psychological test to see how you and if you need help like this guy might next one this is my favorite - life is short how many months or years do you want to wait to enjoy a new experience you can sit around twiddling your thumbs hoping that an RT x 2080 gets cheaper or you can enter the world of ray tracing and high-speed 4k gaming today and never look back when you die and your whole life flashes before your eyes how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing first of all big assumption that I'm going to die secondly how much of it do you want to not have ray tracing looks looks pretty ray traced to me I don't know C seems like just about everything is ray traced so that was a weird sentence especially the part where it's it's like it's like I don't know an English 101 paper where they're trying to sound like something's really important and they're about to come to this critical understanding of something and it's it's what the papers been building up to except it doesn't make any sense next last few parts here however if you think the cards are going to drop significantly in price at any time soon you are going to be disappointed there are several good reasons why the RT X cards cost so much more than their predecessors there are good reasons that a Nissan GTR is a hundred grand but coming back to the title of the article that does not in fact mean I should just buy it there are so many other things to consider then whether or not the sum of the components warrants the price and also we don't know if it does yet that's that's kind of the whole thing last last two second video card companies know that people are willing to pay a premium price for RTX cards if you look on Amazon new Aggron video store you'll see that many of them are already sold out there's no lack of demands demand while accurate the argument that everyone else is doing it so you should - it's really not a very good argument and finally I well finally that I could take anyway if you can possibly afford one of the r-tx cards even if it's not the most expensive model there's plenty of reasons to pull the trigger now the time you spend waiting and complaining about it being overpriced is time you could be gaming with the most realistic user experience available actually no it's not because you'd be buying it on pre-order and so the time you they're not mutually exclusive you can both pre-order something and complete in fact you can even play games and complain about what you paid for them so once again nonsensical sentence or a collection of words in the disguise of a sentence and also not buying the most expensive model we don't know where the 27t lands in the stack of performance it could be the case that it's not as good as a 1080 TI in games that don't use ray tracing we don't know so this whole thing the whole the whole article I I'm gonna save you the time you've seen everything there is to see and I am very sorry for bringing this to your attention and I apologize for the aneurysm that you're going to have because you probably also don't understand what many of the conflicting sentences actually amount to so tom's hardware thank you very much for the content peace it was a lot of fun I hope 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