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doing a GPU roundup is difficult this year as chaos and pricing has thrown off easy price comparisons it also becomes difficult because many of the direct matchups are closed when based on MSRP but gets thrown off when looking at available prices there's the additional challenge - of specific games performing better on one brand than another which is pretty standard across all years so you'll ultimately have to exercise your own thoughts and look at the current market after the video goes live even to determine how the video cards stack up versus when they did when we posted the video as always links will be below - the reviews for each product and for the individual products if you would like to buy them before we get into that this content is brought to you by the Thermaltake flow RGB closed-loop liquid cooler which is a 360 millimetre radiator plus 3 120 fans that are RGB illuminated the if-then we'll take it ring fans at that this is a 4.5 done a stack pump which is one of the faster pumps you can learn more at the link in the description below so as with the previous round ups we're looking at only the products we reviewed and fortunately we've basically reviewed every video card on the market this year there are a lot of them though so we're not going to talk about every single device we'll go over the most important ones for our gaming market audience and then of course again some of these conclusions will vary based on the price of the card so we'll try and make it so that you can take the the conclusions and then factor it towards however the price is modified when you end up going to buy the thin and finally we're going to be limiting the amount of data here because it's a roundup so if you want all of the charts thermals power noise all the games all that stuff check the individual reviews they'll be linked below and keep in mind that the most recent review will have the most recent data because as drivers update as new games come out obviously the numbers change so the most recent review to be the 1070 TI which is the one we'd point you toward for the most recent data set that said we're going to be looking at mostly percentages today rather than flat-out FPS numbers because we're doing matchups in each price category so it'll be a straight percentage performance with a 100% baseline so the top-performing card will be 100% in the chart and then the next card its competitor will be whatever percentage it is behind the 100% mark for what is effectively full speed so let's get started with Vega 56 on a 1070 work our way down and then we'll come back to the high end in our Vega 56 review the TLDR version was that the card if it could be found at at MSRP of $400 or reasonably close to 1070 prices made a whole lot of sense we later revisited Vega 56 and our hybrid mod where we applied power play tables 400 watts worth of power a 360 millimeter radiator and pushed it to the absolute limit the result was obviously higher performance as expected but also completely blowing out the power efficiency that wasn't the point though point was that you can push Vega 56 pretty far and basically out reformer equate Vega 64 in most scenarios the model was impractical to some extent but again there's a lot of room to play with Vega with these six and that proved that in terms of gaming performance the gtx 1070 and vega 56 cards are reasonably close to their matchups this is a chart of relative average FPS performance and shows that the gtx 1070 SC leads primarily in ghost recon and for honor while Vega 56 leads in the rest so that would be DirectX 12 and Vulcan titles mostly these numbers are what precipitated the launch of the gtx 1070 TI nagan 56 has a wider spread of games here where it winds and has a price which is theoretically lower and here's a chart of power performance the gtx 1070 is much more efficient but not in a way that makes Vega 56 significantly worse for room ambience or for the power bill in most places if these numbers do concern you either because your electricity costs more or you don't have AC or something like that well your choice has been made or you need to look a bit further into the impact of the difference if not we're still supporting Vega 56 as a buy but only if it's under GTX 970 TI prices we should also note that the reference blower performs poorly like always even with Nvidia cards despite having an excellently built PCB and BRM for Vega 56 in fact it's the same as being a frontier Edition which shipped at about $1000 you'll want to either mod the card which adds cost or wait for partner models the reference model is loud as you can see in our rpm to noise response chart here and pushes high temperatures across the entire board Vega is sensitive to those high temperatures just like Pascal and so you'll have direct clock benefit from a better cooling solution and is the single biggest point against making 56 right now until partner models come out learn more about Vega under bolting overclocking and more like our reviews linked in the description below you can also find a purchase link to Vega 56 if you like along with a link to an air cooler mod that pretty much fixes the problem so that had vega 56 generally preferable over the gtx 1070 here's a look at how the 1070 TI changed the game we're starting with a non overclocked numbers but we'll get to overclocking because it does matter without an overclock running the reference clocks because that's what nvidia and forests on manufacturers we're already running the gtx 1070 TI at anywhere from 89 to 90 8.4 percent of the GTX 980 performance rx Vega at 56 is listed strictly for perspective operating at 74% to 88% of the GTX 1080 remember this is not percent performance of the 1070 TI forbacon 56 but of the 1080 we're scaling verses a baseline of 100% for 1080 again to be very clear the gt-r x10 70 Ti is a 1080 with one less SM Jai was like with 1063 gigabyte is 1066 gigabyte with one less sm the difference amounts to one of clocks more than shaders as we'll show in this overclocking chart and the GDR 5x of the 1080 isn't really missed on the 1070 TI a lot of folks jumped on the bandwagon that the 1070 TI is a pointless card but ever since launch we've mostly disagreed with some of that rhetoric the gtx 1070 TI even before an overclock largely invalidates the more expensive gtx 10 80s not the other way around at $50 cheaper on average the 1070 TI provides 90 to 98 percent of the performance when stock and mostly achieves parity when both are overclocked as you can find a GTX 1080 on sale for under 500 or unless the 1070 TI's end up around the $480 plus range exclusively we think about the 1070 TI makes more sense presently than the more expensive 10 80s you can save a few bucks and as we showed in our recent man vs. mission overclocking you can get back some performance with 15 minutes of overclock and work power consumption isn't even that different as you'd expect and that's because it's the same silicon so to recap everything depends on price at price parity or favor toward being a 56 we're recommending Vega 56 over the 10 79 TI at a price advantage of 40 to 50 dollars over the GTX 1080 we're recommending a 1070 TI and maybe a short overclock under $500 we're recommending the 10 80s and this is of course assuming that the individual models are actually good and not just some more rebranded flour garbage cards before getting into all of the mid-range hardware that includes AMD we're first addressing the differences between the 1063 gigabyte and 16 byte cards because this came out a while ago as a recap we concluded our GTX 1063 gigabyte card review by declaring that it should have been named the 1050 Ti this is I think before the tentative DTI existed the card doesn't just have the vram it removes one SM or simultaneous multi processor from the GPU reducing pore count by 10% base clock is the same between them but the core account and memory capacity are both lower as for what this means for fps it really depends on what game you're playing here's the relative performance for average FPS across several games the GTX 1066 kilobyte card is represented at 100% and runs at the same clock as the three gigabyte card for the most part the GTX 1063 gigabyte card always maintains at least 88% of the performance of the six with its average performance closer to 92 to 93 percent of the total 1066 gigabyte performance scalability gets a bit rough when blasting vram but we're more likely to become bound by Rob's or cores and clocks before we go in bound by VRAM there are a few games where frame time consistency dips at higher texture qualities represented by our 1% and 0.1% low converted FPS values the 1% lows are mostly consistent with the average as shown in this chart and we tend to sit between 88% and 95% of total performance potential the 0.1 resent low as shown in this chart are also largely consistent accept more vram abuse of games like Mordor dragged us down to 70 percent of total performance potential fortunately although occasionally noticeable this isn't generally experienced ruining and also generally speaking if the two cards cost the same this six gigabyte version is going to be a better buy they generally don't cost the same though have the price gap in years forty to fifty dollars it may be better to buy a three gigabyte version unless you're running specific applications that are vram intensive for anyone attempting to make the argument that higher capacity will last longer for games in the long run keep in mind that again we're more likely to become bound by Rob's or Core count or frequency prior to becoming memory bound now we've gotten that all the way we can turn toward the RX 580 on GTX 10 to 60 comparisons as a refresher the RX 580 uses the same polaris GPU as the RX 480 and it was functionally a refresh the card significantly increased power consumption over the rx 480 and the GTX 960 with improvement only to idle power consumption versus the 480 this was a launch where AMD and its board partners opted to blast the polaris clock effectively pre overclocking the cards and increasing the voltage going to the core which gave that extra clock Headroom the result was a highly competitive product with the gtx 960 when looking at gaming performance a higher power draw as a result whether that's relevant will leave up to you as for the average gain in performance the gtx 960 and our RX 580 trade back and forth the award for quote best gets passed between them largely depending on game with nvidia generally pulling ahead in DirectX 11 titles and Andy generally pulling ahead in Vulcan or DirectX 12 these results are somewhat expected based on what we know of the architectures the RX 580 has room to play with overclocking and under bolting making it a good option for people who don't mind being under the hood so to speak the trouble is availability in price as ever if you can find these cards at price parity we recommend picking based on a per game performance look figure out which has the performance most representative of the titles you intend to play and then consider power consumption for the Nvidia argument or consider free sync for the AMD argument and pick primarily based on price and availability afterward this discussion does overlook the rx 570 though we found the RS 5 so that would need to be one of the most promising mantras of the 500 series the 570 cards have been difficult to get near amaz RP since launch and that problem was exacerbated with the mining trend if you can find one below rx 580 prices ideally around 1 eighty dollars then we still like the RX 570 much like Vega 56 and mega64 this difference is one of shaders and most games favor the clock difference on and the card over the shader difference you can easily compensate in most titles by overclocking in rx 570 and it's much more worthwhile as a purchase than the GTX 950 TI which costs one hundred fifty two hundred and seventy dollars that said it has to be available at 180 once the arts 570 goes above that the argument gets a bit weak for its price to performance the gtx 750ti is however one of the few cards that for a few months this year was left untouched by miners making it an odd unexpected anchor for cheap gaming pcs we never fully recommended the 1050 Ti the rx 570 was much better at the high end than before that the 470 and at 1050 or rx 560 fulfilled the low apt it was not until the GPU shortage that the 10th SETI developed more value and that's mostly solved by now moving on to low-end GPUs we now look at the arch 560 and gtx 950 cards at present the RX 560 ranges from 110 to $140 to save everyone some time the $140 units are Ripa don't bother the only challenger to this level of worthlessness is the GTX 1050 at 150 dollars also a ripoff bTW I by the way is not too distant from that so we're not talking about the 1050 Ti at 150 we're talking about the 1050 and the RX 560 at 140 to 150 ignoring the overpriced units be more reasonably priced at GTX 950 s cost between 112 and 120 dollars with the more recently priced RX 5 60s around 110 dollars after rebate if you count those toward price or 124 flat these cards should both be close to $100 ideally but the GBO market behavior has also affected the low-end unfortunately we'll make do with what we have though looking at the average performance charge the gtx 1050 maintains a lead in the same games as the previous pairings Ghost Recon and for honor representing our dx11 tests with firestrike representing one half of these synthetics the lead tends to be in the range of eight percentage points the RX 560 meanwhile maintains a lead in times by a significant lead in doom and another significant lead sniper with small leads in ashes when the RS 460 launched it was a bad purchase compared to the 1050 flat out the RX 560 changed that and showed performance advantages in direct x12 and vulcan titles and some gains in DirectX 11 thanks to the extra clocks the 560 doesn't have huge deficit versus the 1050 and DirectX 11 anymore the deficits are workable and even recoverable with an overclock but it maintains a large leads in DirectX 12 and Vulkan API is that we've tested not shown in these charts but shown in our review charts the arts 560 also maintains more consistent frame time performance in some games partly thanks to its 4 gigabyte frame buffer as with other cards it comes down to price at price parity our pick is the rx 560 but we'd like to see the 560 closer to $110 and we'd like to see the 1050 closer to $100 but there's not much we can do about that and at the high end it's the gtx 1080i there's no head-to-head matchup here because there's no head-to-head competition we have plenty of videos on 1080 T is in fact we have a roundup of 1080 T eyes which we did separately strictly because there's no competition so you're just picking between them so if you want to learn more about that card check our 1080i round up as for other devices so things to know we have a strong stance of don't buy for two cards on the market right now one of them is Vega 64 we think it's a bad purchase if you can spend a few minutes doing just even an HBM overclock on vega 56 you don't even have to flash the bios just a basic overclock I'm 56 largely invalid age 64 if you're comfortable with flashing the BIOS you can gain back even more of that performance Delta the only thing you're going to be missing is the shaders but you can get back the clocks they overclock about the same technically with Vega 56 taking a slight lead because the extra heat generated by the extra shaders on Vega 64 so don't buy 64 the price is not good 56 is the same card just slightly fewer shaders and the shader difference doesn't really matter and it's a much better deal and if you overclock it you basically just got yourself a 64 for much cheaper the other card we have a strong don't buy stance on is titin XP this one's a bit weird for gaming the Titan XP is invalidated by the 1080i the difference between them there are a couple differences but the main ones one gigabyte of video memory and that difference is primarily beneficial from what we understand for users of deep learning setups machine learning things like that we actually worked with one of the users who purchased a Titan XP for the purpose of machine learning noting that the extra gigabyte mattered a lot for his particular data set size so for most of our audience being gamers there's no real point to buy get a 1080 Ti if you want something that high-end you don't even have to overclock it some of the IV partner 1080 eyes will outperform a tight and I speed out of the box so those are the two we'd say don't buy Vega FPE also I guess it's been on sale for $700 lately that doesn't mean you should buy it because it's still Vega 64 and 56 just with more vram unless you know you're gonna use that and you know who you are if you will use it then there's not much value in it and you now have to deal with the difference in the drivers being the pro drivers and then and duel drivers and things like that the rest though we've got a lineup here that we just went through for all the cards and what to buy at each category so hopefully that helps you as always we have a lot more content coming subscribe for all of that you can help us out directly on patreon.com slash gamers nexus or you can pick up a shirt like this one or one of our stickers on store that gamers nexus net where a lot of them are presently on sale for the holidays thank you for watching I'll see you all next time