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there's more than one way to build a computer but looking at forums reddit comment sections our forums or others overclockers things like that you might not know that especially if you're a newcomer and this was part of the pc building community that really drives me crazy it's this attitude of elitism as if there's only one way to do it certainly that's not unique to our community I'm sure every hobby and profession has this I'm sure music has I'm sure cars have it but the idea is that there's one way to do it there's a need to appear to be the smartest person on the internet when communicating with the newcomer how to build something and normally that involves arguing with everyone else in the thread to make sure that the newcomer understands you are in fact the alpha PC developing and there's plenty of other problems too if anyone's left after that would be just there's no respect for the subjective side of PC building which coming from our channel that's saying a lot this idea that again one way to do it your parts it doesn't matter what you think about them doesn't matter your personal preferences they are wrong and you should feel bad for choosing them even if you've already built the system and are just posting photos to share it that by the way is probably the least effective time to share criticism but this I guess is a continuation of the discussion we did on yr nvidia and AMD so polarizing it's not the same topic but it's the same feel and that's I think for sunday is from now on we might start pushing these types of videos where it's more of an industry look to step back from the reviews and things like that I think the main thing I wanted to address here today is that if you're new to building computers don't get discouraged by comments that may either be infighting between colleges who are trying to help you on some support thread or accounts that are just really heavily criticizing your own build choices the things to look out for of course compatibility if it's not compatible yet you should listen to them performance and price always worth looking at but the thing is it's not always just about price and it's not always just about well you picked these parts for $1,500 and I did it better because I found the same effective performing build for $1400 so mine's better you should build mine that's not really always how it works right there's this idea of the user experience and what are they doing with that machine they may not have detailed all that in the post a lot of the times new posters don't understand that they should say things like I'm planning to use this for rendering I'm planning to use this for only Triple A games with the highest graphics planning T's it's only for indie games that doesn't always get disclosed so probably the best first answer is what are you using the computer for not your build is bad here's a better one without any context for why and I think a couple things here I pulled out some comments I guess we'll just go through those to get us started because it's the easiest way to show the thing that I'm talking about let's start with a pretty tan comment this is a new builder named Peggy Nader on build a PC didn't give a whole lot of info gave a list of parts and asked if it looks okay and the response is one of the main responses is you should consider a small SSD not a bad thing to consider they asked the OPF okay what size do you recommend mad scientist says 64 gigabyte absolute minimum 120 to 240 if you can strain it okay so not all that useful is an answer because it's basically saying any size under 512 or whatever but but it's at least a starting point because now we know well you shouldn't buy 32 if you're the new builder that's kind of what you're thinking is the next reply is I would honestly consider 250 gigabyte to be the minimum these days okay so not a better fly reply to that that would be standard not minimum very definitive with that period there - and that's that's kind of what I'm talking about as a more tame example because again this is arguing over really stupid semantics at this point standard not minimum I provide something useful right like if you're going to suggest 250 gigabytes as a standard or a minimum or whatever say Y say something like while your OS tends after bloat and log files and hibernate files and all these things tend to take something like 30 gigabytes maybe with some core applications installed so you definitely want at least that much but then maybe you want to leave some room for core applications Adobe Photoshop things like that or you're really important media files or just because it sucks to run out of space something like that would be a lot more useful then you look at the next reply I disagree okay well that's really help thank you but then you are out of touch now you are okay so this point it looks like we're just kidding around but this is really not a houseful to anyone it does there's no there's no status there's no anything behind the suggestions it's just kind of I don't know whether the next one this is someone who's asking please help me convince me stubborn family to Delta TC instead of buying something this is a whole different discussion on why pre builds actually do have value despite kind of this elitism that DIY is the only way to do it that's definitely not true and as someone who's built a lot of systems for other people I'm sure many of you have done the same I understand why if I'm building a system for a friend as many people in this thread point out I will now be on the line for everything bad ever that ever happens to that computer and that means I've got to provide pretext for and once we have some kind of agreement and so there's a reason to buy pre-built but that's a different topic so one of the replies here is if they're going to view a computer as an appliance they're going to buy a prebuilt you wouldn't build a TV or washing machine would you actually that's actually a really good analogy I like that analogy they reply to that to be fair on time building takes a few hours at most and programs don't take more than a day if you can't wait that long you're very impatient so again I'm not really trying to taking Tom's there's hundreds if not thousands of these readily available every day on every forum YouTube channel everything very readily available not helpful at all and this one it's this falls under my category of just really having no respect for the needs of the user it's this idea that well you can't build it you're impatient or you're incompetent or whatever but again if the user in this thread especially is saying I want to do the DIY approach but I don't want to assemble it myself and also I'm not going to be the one providing tech support then yes they should probably do pre-built it's not an issue of patience it's an issue of does it make sense and the answer is no not for that user here's another one this falls into another category where there's no respect for the subjective so we have a Caesar saying they should get me into the PC world thought I'd share my battle station six months in we've got some photos of it looks like a pretty damn good setup for someone who's new to all of this and of course one of the talents that's actually uploaded is razor still a lot to learn comrade it's so it all surprised the keyboard is a complete waste of money membrane for fifty dollars to and the user saying I'm coming from only using a laptop didn't feel like using mechanical keyboards at least I think it was a good purchase and that's all that matters nothing else really matters if the user is happy with it let them get it now of course there are maybe other things to consider but those aren't the only things to buy so mechanical keyboards that's another thing we're sure $50 you get you an entry-level keyboard Moda or something like that whatever Cale switches beside him the any of those types of bins you gun for 50 bucks but some people don't like how mechanical keyboards feel some people like membrane because that's what they've used forever I know one of the EVGA employees I had a long discussion with him at a dinner once because he was saying he really preferred the membrane keyboards and likes that new Logitech one whatever it was in the prodigy series that was membrane and I of course at the time I was like well but it's the same price as mechanical so help me understand why why do you like membrane keyboards I want to know so that I can understand what it is that you prefer and that's really the discussion that should be had not you're on no wrong and of course that extends outside of the computer world but you get what I'm trying to say it just respect what the other people want to use it's really that simple and it's not a competition by the way there's proving that you are the best at finding parts on the internet for prices that are whatever amount lower or that you have a better ability to find price per performance or value for the dollar why this does it's not a competition that there's no there's no gain from that all you're doing is either offending people or shooting people away from a computer community this DIY community or like okay well alright fine I'm never posting here again that's kind of the response that happens let's look at one more or two more even this is from our friend Paul's hardware one of his at PC builds you can always find the best comments on these and this user said 230 dollars is way too much for a motherboard for this particular bill that was pretty high-end and here's the same again given his Paul he knows how to build a computer so there's no point really saying that he knows what he wanted and it doesn't even matter if it's Paul or not it could be any random Internet user posting that one after it's built it's pointless doesn't help anyone other than maybe make them second-guess their choices if they're new that's really again not helpful - he wanted to use it and so what I for $230 you can get something that's got more phases for overclocking so the VRI might be a bit stronger they might use better sets that are just the cheapest sets in China and I can sustain more amperage going through and can help with stability V droop all kinds of things or maybe it just got something that's got better memory support or it's got a chipset that is more useful for the particular build and that's another thing like this one on the same video the 7600 K is more than enough to play any game 1440p mac settings no point in wasting money here's the problem with that line of thought this idea that again another video topic here and i-5 is enough for everyone period it's wrong it's not enough for everyone people who might be doing blender rendering or in this case video production you can leverage that extra either frequency or core count or cache or whatever it may be that the particular CPU provides and further we saw in our own testing like with watchdogs - in the video published yesterday or two days ago that there is actually a difference between i7s and i-5 in some games not all of them so it is true that in i-5 for a good amount of people will be fine but for specific audiences that i7 could matter and just reading everywhere that at i-5 is enough and they go buy an i-5 and find out I can't hit 144 Hertz and that's all I wanted that's all I cared about they're going to be kind of out of luck so it's again this is an issue of all of this can be avoided by providing substance with what is said of course by shutting up when you don't know what you're talking about which is a problem everywhere and just generally kind of trying to understand the needs of the person which is what of course professionals do if you go to a PC building shop hopefully they would they would do that for you but the DIY approach is just flooded with all these types of comments it's pretty disappointing I even stuff like there were other common streets are on one of our builds when I did that whole render rig rebuild then there were comments why not use them why not use a real open loop why not use a real custom loop for the system well it doesn't make sense for us it's easy to deploy in AI oh and that system I've got a lot of them there are protections configured on the system so if there's ever a point of failure the system will shut itself down to protect itself because we've set a lower temperature than t.j.maxx as a shutdown threshold so it's fine and these are all things that it might not be disclosed sometimes they are and either way there's more than one way to do it and in that particular case a o is what I wanted to use I know what I'm doing I know what the good and the bad are of an AI Oh probably better than a good amount of the comment but you know it's just that's how I wanted to build it it was easy it was fast and we could deploy it immediately that's what mattered for a production system that was down it's not just sort of creator and media outlet comments that are frustrating we put ourselves out there as I said before you'd expect some kind of criticism whether it's justified or mindless if you're in that position but for newcomers I would like to see a bit more working together to try and figure things out then you're Bill drawn his suggested bills run her bills run everyone's drawn use mine here's a link to PC partaker where I put it together in a few minutes because I am so damn good so that's it's just it's again it's frustrating we'll probably do a couple of these videos maybe one every Sunday or something like that there's plenty to talk about it's not just because it's not just bones to pick with the industry of the community but that's always the part that kind of rattles around in my head when I'm reading through all the comments and I'm sure a lot of other people have the same frustration because a lot of them just probably don't even post cards because the greater majority of viewers and readers don't cause constantly just want to consume the content so thank you for watching I know it's not a review benchmark theme like that but as always we have tons of those coming up probably every single day next week plus an FCN so check back to that subscribe for more patriotic the post roll video to help us out directly links in the description below for our social media pages there will probably not be an article on this I'll see you all next time you