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this will be an interesting one so back-to-back cases with origins that are of questionable airflow this is think they'll take view 37 we've previously looked at the thermal take view 71 they have some similarities one of the primary ones is the fan orientation each case the view 71 previously and now the 37 have to rain fans in them for the stock non RGB configuration and that has them positioned bottom front and top rear now somewhat shockingly into us the view 71 actually did pretty damn well and a lot of that was because of the rest of the case so for that case although it was tempered glass everywhere there were gaps in the paneling all over the place and also no power supply shroud this one has one of those features it's got no power supply shroud which always tends to help with GPU thermals but it does actually lack the gap effect of the view 71 and that's because it has what Thermaltake I believe calls a panoramic panel which is this side acrylic panel here that covers the entire enclosure for the top and the side and you lose one structural bar on the top but that's for the open glass view so we're gonna be reviewing this one today before that this video is brought to you by thermal Grizzly makers of the conductor not liquid metal that we recently used to drop 20 degrees off of our coffee leak temperatures thermal grizzly also makes traditional thermal compounds we use on top of the IHS like cryo not and hydro not pastes learn more at the link below we generally try not to have too many expectations going into a products review but you can't help building some of them based on previous testing experience looking at this case the instant reminder we got was aged 500 P and that's because the front is completely closed off and you've got a ventilation panel on the side basically some small vents on either side then it closed off front basically h 500 p so you go into it expecting maybe not the best thermals but we'll see how it does because the view 71 did pretty well with this configuration they use very different fans and different layouts internally over all the models of this case include the $110 version that we have here which is two fans 140 ring non RGB fans and a $170 alternative which has two RGB rain fans in the front but get into it so the layouts pretty straightforward you can mount fans in the front 140s 120 s and even 200 s which we did test by the way we'll have thermals on that in a bit and if you mounted 200 s in the front you can technically install those inside the chassis which is something you could not do with aged 500 P however there's one big downside to that and that's if you install them internally you lose basically the entire outer edge of any LEDs you might have and because thermal take when they show their marketing images of this case with the 200 mounted externally on the outside of the chassis bars that's how we ended up testing it so if you do mount it that way what you end up with is fans that are pushed right up against the acrylic and we'll see how that goes in thermal testing but that's something we've talked about in the past for the rest of it there is technically the option to mount a radiator against the wall of the case towards the front above the hard drive cages which are located down on the bottom front and if you were to do that you could push the air or pull it either way out the other side panel the right side panel from your perspective so that's I mean it's it's good that they actually have ventilation on this side over here because not every case that has mounting support for radiators vertically will do that surprisingly enough so they've done well there with something very basic but yeah you can mount radiator there radio in the front it just Thermaltake after all they do liquid cooling vertical GP is an option it's positioned somewhat significantly further back from the glass or the acrylic panel then typically but you're still gonna run into thermal issues with an open-faced cooled card as a person open-loop card which would not have those issues no power supply shroud as noted and let's get the side panel off this is the next next endeavor it'll take a moment so we'll just speed up the footage so the point of that like with the coarser one is to show that it takes wild take off now they do actually have a good reason for that panel the mounting mechanism I like a lot so it slides out on rails like this and you just pull out and pretty straightforward acrylic panel but the reason that it takes so many screws to get the thing off is because as you might expect you're lacking a structural support beam here so when that panel is on and this isn't in there which it was not during CES it's been added it's got four screws and it goes over the back corner right there without that in there and the extra four screws if you apply some torque like some torsional force to the chassis it can actually somewhat bend and warp in a way that you lose contact between the acrylic side panel and the front in the back fortunately they've got the extra screws in there it still is a bit structurally weak on that corner I mean you can certainly flex it is that relevant probably not so much however it is a quality perceived quality difference that isn't great but also you can't do a whole lot about it the only thing that I can think of would be perhaps a triangular arm up here that comes down and braces against the top corner of the case and braces against this wall but then you run into fan clearance issues as well so what they've done is better than what I could come up with given the parameters that are in this situation if you want full support for everything you're not going to be able to have extra structure or support beams there without either adding an ugly bar here adding ugly bars there that block some fan ports so that's the only note on structural and build quality that's really a negative is that there there is some flexing and bowing and basically what it comes down to is when you're done with the build you put the system on the ground just apply some light pop force on the sides to make sure that the panels are all flush and you don't have air gaps so it's a bit inconvenient to get the panel off but not a huge deal it's just something we've been complaining about a lot lately either way though we'd rather have the extra screws than not in this case a couple of other points here before going through thermals and some of Patrick's build notes first of all externally this is a bit odd the bottom here comes almost all the way down to the table there's this very limited amount of clearance less weight less than an inch and the result is mounting a fan in the bottom although it will somewhat help the video card you're fighting against basically the power supply because there's no real place for a fan although you can put one there there's no place for a fan in the bottom to really pull air through because it's got a either fight against this side skirt which leaves you fractions of an inch to breathe or more realistically you're fighting up the power supply which is mounted here and is pulling in its own air so the only real place to breathe is in the back where there's about an inch of height from the ground and so that's where most your air is coming in but there's also power supply fan back there to consider so they do have a full length dust filter which is nice it's got very thick bars on it sub-optimal for cooling but not that relevant because ultimately the power supply is not going to care that much and mounting a fan in the bottom is inadvisable anyway but that's your dust filter it's a little bit annoying to put back in not a huge deal sometimes it kind of requires tilting the case to get it lined up right but it'll eventually go in there so that's most of the case I'm gonna go through some of Patrick's building notes now he had hands-on with it pretty extensively and then we'll go through the thermal and noise testing so a couple of things here removing or replacing the bottom front stock fan is somewhat of a pain the front panel and both side panels must be removed the hard drive tray near it must be removed to reveal the screws on the back of the hard drive cage four screws must be removed to release the cage for further screws that can then be removed from the cage mount and allow extra screwdriver room and the fan can be unscrewed from the case so it's a lot of steps to get a fan out we'd like to see removable fan trays like the 500 D head and a couple of other cases recently or a more easily removable hard drive cage at least it's not riveted but we feel like this is something that Thermaltake could relatively easily improve and it would improve the ease of installation a lot talking about a whole bunch of extra screws versus just a couple if they added in a removable fan cage or a more easily removed hard drive cage getting into the thermal testing before this next part our standardized case test bench is on the screen now as sponsored by Cal mod you can find their cable extensions linked in the methodology section of the article if you're curious let's talk about our thermal testing configurations we tested the vertical GPU mount and with the front panel removed as usual we also tested with to 200 millimeter rain intake fans installed in the front both with and without the front panel there's a decent amount of ventilation on either side of the front panel but none at the bottom and obviously none at the top of the case due to the acrylic window clearance between the front panel and stock fans is tight and it's even worse when the thicker 200 millimeter rains we're added later clearance could be much better if the fans were mounted inside the case again which is actually possible but doing that with the 200 million fans would cover up their LEDs and defeat the whole purpose of having them secondarily advertisements show the case with 200 millimeter fans mounted to the outside of the chassis so that's what we tested with the fans moved inside the chassis just expect the results to be between stock and no front panel results no need to test it separately starting with the V 237 on the charts with just CPU temperatures the stock configuration operates a CV temperature of 54 point 7 degrees Celsius over ambient when using a single 140 millimeter fan in the bottom front this fan is mounted in the bottom front again by default but there's also a 140 in the top rear like the view 71 just without the large airflow gaps and the panels that the view 71 had removing the stock fan and replacing it with two ring fans mounted like thermal takes advertising shows results in functional equivalent CP performance there is no uplift from adding the large fan that's directly in line with the CPU which points towards similar front panel suffocation issues that we saw originally H 500 P and also just limited intake vertical GPU mounting reduces strain on the CPU a bit by moving the back plates radiative heat away from the heatsink as we've seen before really the front panel doesn't improve the stock configuration much down to 52 degrees but we can see a change with the to 200 millimeter fans for this configuration we moved from 54 point 9 degrees over ambient to forty six point nine degrees over ambient an improvement about eight degrees by removing the front panel quite substantial that gives us an idea for airflow impedance and again if you mounted them internally you could expect somewhere in between those two numbers we did a quick anemometer spot check for this again using one of these hot wires just to better understand the panel impedance so what we can what's pretty simple with the vo 37 panel on we measured air flow of 560 linear feet per minute versus 940 in our particular point of measurement with the panel removed that's a significant change in performance from a front panel alone and indicates that some additional mesh spacing on the sides could help or a cut out on the top or the bottom if there can be no cutouts in the front because they just want it to look the way it does so a quick note though those numbers the linear feet per minute airflow numbers can't be compared to the other cases or fans we've tested because we're testing them in different ways these are spot checks so we're testing against only the case we're talking about today it's this case against itself basically with and without the panel not comparable to the age 500p mesh for the comparative CPU charge comparatively the thermaltake vu 37 performs about equivalently to the view 71 for CPU thermals this makes sense as both cases distance the CPU far from the stock intake rear exhaust creates a natural pressure to pull air in that direction but we're still running on the warmer half of this truncated chart the view of 37 for all of its acrylic and limited intake performs it not too distant from the original age 500 P no big surprise given the similar design for the front panel the vo 71 was a case we praised for excellent GPU thermals so we'll see if the 37 can carry this in the next few charts for now it's off to a mediocre if predictable start for cooling on the CPU for GPU testing the view 37 stock GP thermals operate at 51 degrees Celsius over improving to 49 degrees with no front panel that's not a large movement from the panel removal and again suggests limitations on the fan configuration we would see a larger disparity with more fans using two 200 millimeter fans performs at worse than a single 140 fan despite the cases marketing photos and initial CES unveil driving a 200 millimeter narrative it's unfortunate as the reasons for this poor performance are exactly the same as the aged 500 P the single 140 is doing fine but two 200s with LEDs visible end up smashed against acrylic there's no room to breathe removing the panel gives us some performance improvement for the 200s though vertical GPO mounting is as is often the case best reserved for open-loop cooling configurations in this instance we proved that again it's the problem not unique to thermal tape it's basically been a trend for the last year vertically oriented the GPU out breaks at sixty six point four degrees Celsius over a means factor in ambient and that puts us near in ninety degrees Pascal hard throttles at eighty four so we're dropping clocks hard here losing frame rate and we end up with a vertical GP orientation that's not great for air-cooled cards but again not unique the thermal take reserve this for liquid cooled cards only the upshot though is that unlike its competitors they're all take does actually properly accommodate a taller PCB card while having an air cooler most the other ones don't have the clearance for the larger PCBs comparatively the view 37 actually does shockingly well for stock GPU cooling performance when left with a single 140 millimeter fan in the front and one in the back its stock configuration this is certainly better than leveraging the looks oriented 200 millimeter slots in the case the view 37 manages with its 51 degree readout its place functionally equivalently to the Corsair 5 70 X and the view 71 both cases that we actually liked for their GPU cooling performance these cases are within margin of error of the view 37 and similarity to the view 71 makes sense given the air flow configuration the vo 37 is also within margin of error of the stock h 500 p mesh which we just got done praising for its significant thermal improvements if you remember that review the age 500 people are dead zones across from the 200 millimeter and a fan on the graphics card responsible for the stack that we're seeing here the view 37 performed far better than we expected truth be told that single rain fan in the front is a good one better than most stock fans in most cases and it's positioned in a way that directly benefits the GPU arguably the most important element to cool because the CPUs don't have clock throttling until much higher temperatures unlike the more sensitive GPUs which throttle hold marginally every 5 degrees or so the result is a mediocre CPU cooling performance and given the lack of fans on the top of the same panel that makes sense but very competitive GPU performance for what the case is advertising which just looks a large part of this performance is the lack of the PSU shroud on the bottom combined with a bottom focused airflow power supply shroud to eat GPU performance by trapping a lot of warmed air forcing recirculation into the card in this case illustrates how much design can change performance even in spite of fan configurations the fire strike extreme workload only raised average GPU temperature to 52 point seven degrees roughly equal to the aged 500 beam ash and only beaten by the PMO one RB 0 2 and 1/2 X that's excellent for a case like this and really surprising and given the lack of ventilation but again it speaks to the quality and positioning of that single fan in the front with only one intake fan aiming it along the bottom of the case it's a good choice to set it up the way it is rendering our monkeyhead test image against the cpu average the CPU temperature of 37 point 2 degrees equivalent to thermal takes core p3 and view 71 enclosures those aren't cases with a focus on CV cooling but they are well ventilated so the view 37 is in good company cases with more active air flow towards the top like the RL 0 6 and H 500 ppl perform this one but it definitely isn't leaving a hot air trapped around the CPU cooler GPU accelerated rendering averaged twenty five point nine degrees celsius delta T over ambient on the GPU again roughly equivalent to the view 70 want they're better cooled cases on the chart but again they're all cases that we've specifically praised for their cooling the Cougar concur RB 0 2 etc while the view 37 appears to be a sealed acrylic bubble but still doing reasonably performance in all these thermal tests was beyond what we were expecting if still somewhat moderate the noise level of the stock view 37 is it's exactly the same as the view 71 TG because it has the same fans and the same layout the 140 millimeter rain fans stayed at around 1500 rpm during testing so they were pretty noisy so then we're left with the reminder that cases or any product are just as much an amalgamation of their set of features and quality as they are their marketing in the instance of this case the Vue 37 from the materials that we have pre-launch which is the new act pages it doesn't look like thermal takes boasting about airflow so can't nail them for that one the airflow is okay the thing is the CPU does suffer a bit and that's something we saw the view 71 as well the reason it suffers is quite obvious the GPU does pretty well and if you're wondering why GP cooling can do so well in spite of it what is a completely closed off front and we had tests for removing the panel and you saw the results the reason it's doing pretty well is because that rate and fan is actually a real fan there including decent fans with the case so you don't need to go out and buy and replace it it also spins pretty fast and it's pretty loud as you saw on the noise chart not terrible but at the full 1400 to 1500 rpm it's certainly a faster fan than most especially for a 140 that's where the performance comes from for GPU cooling and in spite of the front panel and then the lack of the power splash shroud is also significant because it allows the GPU fans to do their own work without as much impedance as we've seen in other cases build quality is okay overall the case has again some weaknesses right here as you would expect and applying any kind of torsional force will cause a bit of a bowing or warping of the front and the back panels against the panoramic panel as it's mounted not a big deal something they could probably try to improve but there's not a lot that could be done without making the thing ugly or difficult to work with for fans so overall is there's really not a lot they could do there whether you like the panel is completely up to you we're not going to comment on that it's entirely subjective but for the rest of the case there's a ton of Kaila management room I could fit my entire hand back there so that's great there's space as a result behind the motherboard tray for fans if you wanted to do side mounted intake or exhaust with a radiator there's decent liquid coin support the fan in the front is a little bit annoying to access not a big deal ease of installation could be worked on and improved for this case as we've noted here and in the written review links below the rest of the problems are primarily things we've seen before like open face cards struggling with a vertical GPU mount not a surprise to anyone at this point and 200 millimeter fans not really delivering what some might perceive would be the best performance because they're just not especially if you mount them externally as in outside the frame so that you can see the LEDs they don't do well and that could be fixed if they're on take would add some space here for the mesh or the side intake which is something we said about the H 500 P as well so they've got avenues and vectors to improve this case quality wise it's decent it's I put it at average in terms of cooling GPU is actually competitive for wear the case it's in terms of aesthetics CPUs below average and noise is below average in that it's a bit louder and that's because the fans in here are so fast they spend fourteen hundred fifty nine hundred rpm as noted that's gonna be a bit louder so yeah the basically the trade-off here is if you want acceptable cooling performance which is clearly possible as we've demonstrated you do have to sacrifice some noise you're willing to sacrifice on the noise front and have a bit louder of a system you can circumvent some of the cooling impedance that the case naturally provides if you can't deal with noise then you basically have to go liquid or find a different case and there are a lot of good cases out there so to go over a couple of them this is 110 bucks the alternative is 170 if you wanted to buy fans for this one you buy the $110 one with another blue fan for about 16 dollars and you'd be out well ahead of the RGB version alternatives the pmo one is really good we still like that case a lot it doesn't look like this one does you lose the panorama thing if you don't need it it's a really good case the PMO too disappointed us 275 are disappointed us because neither of them added anything over their predecessors and then fractal has the mesh if I see not-to-distant in price Corsair has a 400 C not too distant in price and on the cheaper end the RL 0 6 once again get to mention those are all cases that we've reasonably liked and would recommend as competitors to this one if you didn't like what you saw with this one there are surprisingly no huge glaring flaws with thermals really was expecting the opposite the only huge glaring flaw with thermals I guess there is one is the proximity of the front acrylic to an externally mounted fan and thermal take if you're watching please add a little bit of depth on that front panel so that's not an option because the 200 fans look great but they don't perform well because you're smashing them against glass panel they there's zero place for them to get air other than that surprisingly decent which which is all it takes to make me happy these days because it's been a year of disappointment in cases but where things are looking up h 500 p match was good this was better than expected so hopefully it keeps going that way for the rest of the year thank you for watching subscribe for more D to patreon.com/scishow and Nexus 2 helps out directly stored on cameras access and dotnet to pick up one of our mod maps like this one they're on backorder they'll ship within the next two weeks that's when the next round comes in I'll see you all next time