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when we called the be quiet dark based Pro 900 for truly massive we weren't asking manufacturers to ship us 400 pounds worth of cases by the time I'd gotten home from our trip to Linus tech tips offices we received the thermal take view 71 a 42-pound case the cooler master cosmos sees 700 p a 58 pound case and the H 500 P which is actually reasonably sized so rather than posting a video asking if you can judge a case by its weight will be fully reviewing the thermal tape view 71 for assembly build quality of thermals and noise today and then we'll be moving on to the C 700 P and H 500 P shortly here after this video is brought to you by the be quiet dark bass pro 900 white edition the DB p 900 marks a return to full tower cases equipped with ample harddrive support effective noise damping foam high performance fans and the option to be inverted into an alternative layout learn more at the link in the description below so this is the case this is the if they're all take vo 71 we'll go through some of the basics here I'm gonna read through Patrick's notes from the build process and then we have testing data a couple of big things so first of all comes with two fans and they are the ring fans you can do RGB or you can do single color we got the blue LED versions and specifically requested that version for this case because it's cheaper and spending more money for RGB isn't really something that we generally do so there are two SKUs for this case and one is more expensive and it comes with the rain RGB version of the fans the fans are positioned bottom front and rear exhaust with this one lining up with the CPU tower coolers and the front kind of just drifting in now a couple things here with the interesting ventilation setup with this case the good and the bad of it is that well the good is despite being tempered glass everywhere like the Corsair 570 X that we previously reviewed it's I mean same idea tempered glass on every single panel except the back despite that Thermaltake has left a pretty large amount of space about a centimeter or so on these side panels including the other side panel their space the front panel there's a good couple millimeters of space up here and then a full inch almost dead center so there's plenty of room for the fans and the ventilation everything's a breather draft air in and out depending on if it's positive or negative pressure but that also means the pen and if it is positive or negative pressure you have potential dust concerns things like that but that's kind of the give-and-take of a case that actually tries to have some level of cooling in this instance while also blocking off every panel with a solid piece of glass so they've managed to do two things here they've got glass everywhere and they've got ventilation that doesn't always go together so we'll give them that one the case I mentioned that this fan aligns with the CPU tower cooler and that I mean as always the air will just exhaust at the back speaking of the CPU tower cooler though it might be better to do liquid cooling in this case I mean it is Thermaltake that's something they tend to do even a CLC might be better and here's why if you have a tower cooler even like the one we have that MSI whatever core or something or other it's like a 50-dollar cooler it's not that big if you have one and if you want to use the vertical GPU mount which this includes there might be a problem for folks who use gaming X coolers FC w3 coolers the gigabyte extreme coolers ZOTAC amp extreme coolers and and anything that is a non-reference tall PCB for a video card there's a lot of them but anything anything closer to like the actual size of the slot the PCIe expansion slot cover any card that's that size reference or equivalent will be fine but if he is one of the taller cards then you run into issues where they make in our case with the gaming X they do collide with the CV cooler and that's unfortunate that means you can't really use that vertical mount so if you're looking at buying this case right now I'll just tell you make sure your cooler and your video card will be compatible with the case and that's easily done with a CLC or with a shorter video card just wanted to point that out immediately they did some cool things with this so the dust filters are kind of interesting you just kind of push them and they pop out and that makes them easy to clean you do have to remove the glass and then remove the panel and then you can get the dust filter out but it's not too hard to remove the panel you just pull it and then the glass is four screws or in this instance it's two screws and they the back two are ignored and it's replaced with a hinge so this is actually pretty cool I like this hinge door is always a big plus in my books and when you're building in it you just kind of do that and that's it put it to the side you're good to go but it makes it easy to access everything while also doing the tempered glass thing and it's just better than having the the four pegs and then having the glass panel fall off the side which is what every other case on the market does so going through some of Patrick's and notes now he said that the ring fans look good behind a tinted glass but these stock one in take one exhaust doesn't really look great visually and I agree with that it performs much better actually as well show later so that all takes done some research they did the optimal configuration which is better than most manufacturers do and some of the looks are lost in that configuration but that's I mean you basically got it by another fan this is an instance where it may be worth buying a cheaper fan just some black out cheap one to put in the rear and then move the two ringing fans to the front for your intake then you get the better symmetry other glass panels we've seen leave little room for ventilation especially when they have the protective foam pad around the edges so thermal takes got this one figured out by leaving a gap again about a centimeter wide and the filters are still present on the top in front so more or less covered this is functional enough for positive pressure setups negative pressure will just suck air in through the unfiltered cracks so we would advise avoiding a negative pressure configuration for this case because dust will be a much bigger issue because of those cracks in the panels which by design actually work pretty well you just need to make sure you're coolly and setup works with them rather than against them so I keep that in mind the bottom filter is a more standard plastic and mesh type we do commend thermaltake for the extra breathing room around the glass panels but again it's just you're gonna make use of those filters bottom front top all of them and overall it's what we like to see with right tuning it's just the user has to do is I'm tuning to a positive pressure setup while helping to avoid dust where you don't want it will also force air out of the gaps so we did find that sometimes the GPU has peculiar cooling performance depending on which card and how its setup because some of your air from the front intake may be escaping the cave before it ever makes its way to the video card so again give and take everywhere but you can optimize it and it'll work fine potential buyers should keep in mind that the size of this case means it can fit 3 120 millimeter fans in the front but not 3 140 s which is the size that's included so even with the more expensive RGB Edition you're gonna end up either needing to buy another ring RGB pack if you'd rather have the three front fans or just stick with two in the front and then deal with it for the rest of the intake and exhaust positions the interior of the case is spacious especially behind the motherboard we really noticed this and there's plenty of place to route the cables places to move everything around and work with the system overall the backside being that it is tinted glass and that there is space for cable routing really demands sleeved cables maybe something like from Kayla watt or Corsair or any of the other silverstone some kind of sleeve cable solution would look a lot better in this case than in most with the blackout panel as both are translucent and there's no power supply shroud in this case to hide the loose ends some negative user reviews point out that although this case is technically capable of holding a ATX boards they make the cable cutouts and rubber grommets inaccessible so this is a downside to the case in addition to the one or two we've already pointed out so if you want to do a ATX you're somewhat out of luck with managing the cables cleanly you can work with it you'll probably end up sending them through the drive cages though instead so given that this is a larger case and be nice to see the extra a half inch or so of give for the cables with EA 2x special features include the ability to mount the GPU vertically and mount two radiators sideways inside the case the vertical GPU mount is undercut again by the fact that the well actually different facts here other than the tower coolers also there's no PCIe riser cable included and at $170 you kind of wish that they did include one now of course that increases cost a bit but thermaltake includes it with $100 p3 cases which are admittedly far less costly to make in terms of material cost but still this case kind of demands one and you can buy one yourself but just make sure you buy the thermal tape PCIe riser cable because you need that one we had a generic PCIe riser cable and it didn't fit the mounting holes so we ended up making do with a hand-me-down from the Corp III even then we had a few tricks to play because it's best again to use with either a CLC or smaller at our cooler we have to make judicious use of twist ties here and basically tie the video card to the cables and the cooler and things like that to test the thing vertically oriented because of the clearance issues as for the radiator mount that works much the same way as it does in the Corp III the hard drive cages can be removed and up to a 420 radiator can be mounted in their place making the fans fully visible from the side of the case this actually looks pretty damn good it's not optimal for airflow and it's well it's definitely suboptimal for airflow but it looks good so if you're ok with doing an open-loop configuration knowing that you have the thermal Headroom to play and reduce the optimization of your loop you could make it look pretty damn cool by doing that but it's just down to whether or not you want the looks or the function a problem that every glass side panel case needs to address though is how to keep users from promptly breaking it five millimeter thick glass is heavy and right now it's also expensive we praise the thermal take scored g21 TG for it's oddly angled feet which SS supports but the view 71 again it goes a step further with the hinges so that they're easy to remove the only real trouble with construction overall was that somehow nearly every screw side panels top and front seem to be cross threaded or easily cross thread basically crooked after a couple of days of assembly and disassembly and this isn't just us users building in this case pointed out the same problem online and user reviews and just be very careful about adding those screws in there and there's maybe not a lot you can do other than that as for other accessories the rubber PSU supports are in the bag of accessories and they need to be stuck in the case before the power supply is installed additionally the rubber feet on the bottom of the case left some light stains on our ESD mat so be careful where it's placed I mean we can some of this is from thermal vase and solvents from the feet but I mean right now I'm looking I can see that the case was present here previously I can see that it was positioned here previously and actually I can see them here they're pretty damn visible and you can kinda scrub it off for the most part but it's one of those things where if you went and put this on a wood floor you'd probably be pissed off so keep that in mind I'm not sure if it's to do with the material it's just kind of a rubberized foot so I don't know you can wash it off just if it's there for years it might stain though so keep that in mind maybe put some kind of small something underneath it maybe scrub off a layer of foot if you're putting on a wood floor but those are the all the positives and all the negatives of the build let's go through the thermals and the noise as always we ran our basic thermal tests in the complete stock configuration and then we did some additional tests for this case specifically one of which was the vertical GPU orientation another was relocating this ring fan to the front because it seems like something to use or would do it looks better that way but not adding a fan in its place we also tested to having two front fans both rain and then adding a rear fan in its place that also seems like something the user would do and that was a 140 millimeter knock to a a f-14 or whatever it is so pretty good balance overall for testing then we have comparative tests as always and keep in mind that the via 71 doesn't have the airflow of a normal case so some of the numbers look a little funny sometimes but when you start thinking about it makes sense with the video card pushed up against the glass panel for example the GPU will get warmer but the CPU cools down the reason for that is because you're now removing in the case of our tower cooler cpu removing this video card that's just a giant not only a more like a firewall than anything except it's a firewall that's got a fire behind it because the backplate of the GPU is radiating 8090 C of heat off the back the card and that goes where into the CPU cooler so some interesting numbers because of those the orientation options and because of the gap around the panels on every side but a pretty fun to test for that reason starting with a torch or CPU test with only the thermal take few 71 results moving the exhaust fan to the front raised the CPU Delta a bit 250 6.2 Celsius and the exhaust slot is adjacent the CPU cooler that directly benefits it so once again we're the intake slot is further away and unobstructed from the hard drive cages the exhaust is closer to the heat zones and it kind of gets trapped back there so there's also free to exit anywhere in the case on its way to the video card in the CPU through all of the ventilation and beside gaps so it's not just the back that the air comes out a lack of exhaust for the radiative heat off of the GPU backplate doesn't help either adding a third fan into the vacant exhaust slot while keeping the two rain fans in the front was predictably cooler than either the first two options with a 54 degrees Celsius Delta moving the GPU vertically with just the stock fans did best of all at forty nine point six delta T for CPU temperature an incoming air was no longer trapped under the GPU and the backplate moves farther from the CPU tower cooler makes sense comparatively fifty-four point seven degrees Celsius delta T is decent for a glass plated case with only two fans much of this is due to their quality we keep case fans at 100% during testing and the ring fans included consistently ran between 1,400 1,500 rpm they're not the best fans on the market in terms of static pressure but they're a far cry better than what a lot of the manufacturers include in their cases except maybe the likes of someone like be quiet he is there really quite good fans in there Dirk Bass Pro 900 or cases like that far cry better though than what Thermaltake used in the g20 one that we reviewed recently installing the 1500 to 1600 rpm Noctua fan on the rear place the view 71 between the stock Messi and the core p3 both of which are significantly more open-air oriented in the front 570 X is a direct competitor for the tons of glass market but it does ship with three 120mm fans compared to the EU 71 to 140 s moving the GPU toward her test results and starting again with the view 71 only then moving to comparatives with an intake fan pushing cool air directly along the bottom of the case and with no power supplied shroud to sync everything the GBO temperature Delta was 51.5 Scelzi so very ambient many cases that ship with two fans that try to split incoming air between the CPU and the GPU but Thermaltake is relying on some passive drafting of air and also relying on the CPU tower cooler to pull air from the bottom intake and toward it or if you're using CLC then substitute those words primarily from a visual standpoint we'd like to see both rain fans in the front for this case but with a cheaper black out fan for the exhaust you'd be in good shape both visually and in terms of thermals moving the exhaust fan forward raises the GPU dial temperature just as it does for the CPU and that's because the heat getting trapped from the backplate of the GPU and from the CPU exhaust is having trouble getting out of the case it's getting trapped up at there in the back corner it's getting trapped between the glass panel and it needs to help exhausting everything and once it's generated all that heat and has nowhere to go the extra knock to a fan in the rear scored the lowest Delta of 40 8.7 Celsius where the air pressure pulled some air from around the side panels and overall case with airflow this complex requires some experimentation to find the best fan configuration for your build so you'll want to do testing on vapor build basis but the worst one overall that we tested it for GPU thermals was easily the vertical GPU mount at 65 point 5 Celsius delta T over ambient this setup would work much better with liquid cooling on the GPU especially but with a fully air cooled system horizontal GPU mounting is the way to go at least in this enclosure with this set up the issue of CPU tower cooler clearance for tall cards plays into this as well but reference size PCBs will be fine that's generally what you use for open-loop coin anyway comparatively on GBA torture thermals 50 1.5 degrees Celsius is already a respectable GB temperature Delta over ambient comparable to the quartz here 570 X and the 270 R and forty eight point seven cells these delta T is better than anything on our chart except for the R l06 this is partly combined from all the ventilation holes everywhere but the rain fans allow the GPU to breathe in a way that many other cases have struggled with 3dmark fire strike places the thermal take view 71 at a GPU temperature of 53.7 celsius delta T over ambient the silverstone KL 0 7 and cor p3 both do well here with the p3 effectively serving as an open-air bench in a more real-world test using blender both the CPU and GPU did well overall 37.3 celsius cpu delta T when rendering on the CPU is again exactly the same as the core P 3 and then rendering on the GPU we had a 26.1 Celsius delta T temperature for the video card which is below most cases besides the RL 0-6 the vo 71 doesn't have any trouble coping with a normal workload without the extra fans included looking at noise levels that the ethernal take vo 71 operates at 40 1.2 DBA positioning it as imperceptibly quieter than the corsair 5 70 X and the RL 0 6 both at 43 DBA the fractal master Phi C operates a noise level of 38.6 DBA in its stock configuration functionally identical to the st 40 elite at 1300 rpm as for other large cases the be quiet dark bass pro 900 sits at 34.4 DBA stock as be quiet opted to Moorhead noise suppression with a mix of cooling rather than anything else really seeing all of this data thermal takes view 71 is actually pretty impressive on the thermal front the only place it really has a pitfall is when the GPU is vertically mounted and in the initial CPU task chart where the 570 axe outperforms the view 71 a bit but once we're looking at other charts like 3dmark like the GPU test for the v71 blender it is either chart-topping or very nearly chart-topping and all of those so they've done well with the thermals with the noise it's not exciting but I mean it's that's what you get when something is a bit better thermally you get worse noise almost always so that's the trade-off you're making but in terms of thermals it's looking pretty good so that wraps it up as for whether you like this case or not I think it basically entirely comes down to the looks thermally it's fine there's really nothing that wrong with it unless you vertically mount an air-cooled GPU and you're not doing anything to deal with the heat maybe a blower fan would do better but with the axial fans you're just spitting hot air all over the inside the glass it's got nowhere to go it's just heating up the video card but other than that it does find thermally noise yeah it's a bit louder you can lower the fan rpm it'll still be fine thermally and it'll be obviously quieter but you really can't do much to stop noise when there's holes in all the panels by design for ventilation so this competes directly with the 570 X they're about the same price at the time of writing this they are about $170 on Newegg depending on whether or not you count a $10 rebate for the 570 X so basically the same price adding a fan makes this case a lot better but it's not necessary there are a couple small things a couple of big things that there'll takes overlooked the e-atx support for example aligning with the rubber grommets or just the pastors in general was one of the bigger ones colliding with Tower coolers with taller video cards vertically mounted is one of the bigger ones you can work around all these issues if you're building the system from scratch it's pretty easy to get around them as long as you know they exist but I mean as for the rest it's really just up to you do you like glass on every panel or not yes or no if yes then look at this case look at the 570 ax the 460 X and there's a couple others on the market we would if you if you would rather have just like one glass panel like this one you don't need glass everywhere else then we would recommend looking at the BitFenix Shogun that's kind of hit and miss with a lot of people the what the 805 and when 805 is not a bad one to consider as well it's more looks oriented the 303 is a pretty cool case and that is also more looks oriented need some help on the cooling but yeah I think that pretty much lays it out for you so as always thank you for watching you can always head directly on patreon.com slash gamers Nexus or just subscribe for more to catch the next video got a story about games Nexus done that to pick up a shirt like this one and I'll see you all next time when there's holes in all the panel's by