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you know what you know it let's turn this round Gordon you're the new host guys steve from gamers nexus here uh so let me ask you Gordon do you think this is enough to convince everybody that Intel's back is until bad I feel like it's a trick questions everyone I'm joined by Gordon now so Gordon is a frequent attendee for everybody there if I get enough miles I get a free episode that's actually that is how it works in fact I was on a PC worlds YouTube channel not long ago for the Intel New York event and Gordon you played the role of the Internet I am going to play the internet again we of course are at Intel's architecture Day 2018 big news for probably PC desktop people before that this video is brought to you by Emma sighs Meg Z 390 ace motherboard which primarily offers high frequency memory support for forty five hundred megahertz kids and tight timings tuning but also comes equipped with a twelve phase V core vrm it ready for the ninety nine hundred K a pre-installed IO shield 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checks out Gordon that checks and that I'm gonna say that what else am I gonna say we've done we've done the solder thing we've done that good so I think I think the biggest one that the internet will be counting about now is a 10 nanometer that's that's been on the on the books for a while is it is it too little too late of course it's gonna be 3 less it's gonna be 3 less if it won't have is it won't be cheap enough we know that right you won't be cheap enough and never be cheap it can never be cheap enough because no matter what it has to be cheaper and even if it's really cheap it has to be cheaper than that so it can't win that battle and the problem won't be able to buy it any one day one and but the good news is maybe we can get somebody to benchmark it in a way that we want to benchmark it you know like a pie or somebody doing let me ask you then what what do you think of the event overall what's your actual opinion your actual opinion and and then I will proceed the phone calls ok I'm naturally internet this is hey you know what this is Intel who let's admit it they've been asleep of the throttle for a few years now the lumbering giant looks like it's waking up finally and there's a lot of goodness here a lot of really future looking stuff I think there's a really good chance that Intel's gonna get back into this game so yeah be ready for the day when they may actually have a good part and you may actually have to admit it's faster it may be cheaper I don't know what you can do about it you know but yeah that's it's a good it's a it's finally the ship is turned a little bit that's good news right for everybody right consumers what about what do you think about the the stacking approach oh yeah so this the stack meeting is cool because they're you know you can stack what 10 Anna meter and 20 22 nanometers so that's really cool because they're gonna build chips out of very different things so they can certain things that not might need to be on 22 nanometer or 40 nanometer can be that way and then so they can just sort of Lego the whole thing together and if they can really hit their claims of getting the performance of what they're getting another model of the course as good news if I'm the internet I would say well then you're just it's all glued together it's not a one chip right that's or you would say well but you're copying right your put your coffee and the other guys right so I would definitely say yes that would be that would be the internet argument I'm right now I'm gonna go in and type well there's somebody else did this already you're just simply copying with chip let's all right yeah I'll point out though that it is it doesn't seem like a natural direction for Silicon to go towards multiple pieces of silicon is just too expensive to model I think it's getting too difficult and even Nvidia has a big white paper out there on MCM on multi chip modules so I don't know it definitely seems like the future doesn't it but I think the big difference will be you know can is when's this gonna come out I mean seriously tend the problem with Intel right now even though they've done this they've shared more information that we've had Intel share in years but if they can't deliver people are very skeptical now if Intel's ability to deliver next generation silicon and I mean looks good yeah is there plenty of reason to be skeptical yeah like I'd be skeptical until you see it right but at the same time the internet needs to be like damn they've actually delivered and damn they're hitting their power thermals performance and price then you got to give it to them you can't just kind of retreat back into your cubbyhole and say oh well you know moving target how are you yeah yeah so yeah let's we gotta be fair to them so I think it looks good but I mean I think if people skeptical it's fair so right how about you Steve how of me what what is the question what do I think do you think you know let's turn this round Gordon you're the new host guys Steve from gamers Nexus here so let me ask you Gordon do you think this is enough to convince everybody that Intel's back is until bad I feel like it's a trick question like it's a trick question Steve I think you're trying to trying to corner me on this one it's Intel back I think the question I will ask you is did Intel go anywhere sure sure they went somewhere because their price expensive you couldn't get the parts you know all those kind of negatives they couldn't have they couldnt could be in a cork count and he's gonna beat them seven and meaner there's a lot of really negatives there I I don't know if this I'm gonna buy this if I'm the Internet I don't know I might be skeptical so first first Internet or Steve whoever you may be I'll point out that a seven versus ten isn't quite so simple it's not just a battle of which number is higher than they were lower than the other as you as you pointed out there's a three difference one is eight nine ten that's that's a lot of what one's in there but does it matter I think that will come down to things like densities here because it's not just about seven versus ten it's about density and what else is going on in the in the architecture but if the box is seven and the other box says ten I won seven right sieve I mean gordan high that's a that's a that's a tough question Gordon I mean Steve I don't know if it's it's kind of like you ever see two frequencies you can buy a GP with 2000 megahertz or a GPU with 1600 megahertz are those the only two specs that matter okay what I want to know Gordon is if you think that this sunny Cove is gonna compete with rise in second generation we need to know right now second generation of Zen as in horizon 3000 or whatever maybe confusing names notwithstanding I'm gonna use some work it'll compete in naming for sure it's hard to beat the confusing mists of the risin name and I will say that oh I don't know I think Intel's pretty good at confusing people with their code names that's true sunny Cove golden Cove willow Cove presumably they mean something to someone I I think to answer your question from what I've seen now I'm gonna go out and say yes it will compete but I don't know specifically where and I'm gonna go out and say that the IGP is it may potentially have the ability to start competing with the AP use but we what we don't know is what's the thermal envelope puts the power envelope how big does it have to be to fit that higher power IGP on there but strictly based on performance it looks pretty competitive with a/b is so here's other question though so we know that I've read all the rumors I've seen the numbers ii risin risin to 3000 series gonna have a lot of cores it's gonna come out they're gonna announce it at CES is what the rumors say if this sunny coke doesn't come out in 2019 on desktops what do you do do you just it doesn't come out on 2019 in 2019 that's that might be too little too late it's 2020 I don't know you start losing some of the steam right some of the marketing hype so I think it's I think it's gonna gonna happen 2019 but I don't know I could be wrong okay so it's got to happen 2019 for to have to be real right I mean I think right that's that's how products work if it doesn't if it doesn't come out when I want it to come out it's not a real product okay so do they have to compete on core count because the crazy rumors that we saw from ad or TV the specs 16 cores and a small socket AMD that's a lot of course for probably not that much money does Intel have to compete on cores of them I will say I didn't see I didn't read those rumors or watch them but I am lying he's lying we all saw those specs and rumors I avoid I am aware of them though so it doesn't I'll have to compete on core how I I don't know either way say Anton has to compete on core count with like the high end epic or a thread repartee P is now you could say that anthe has to compete on frequency and in a lot of applications frequency is really important but then you look at something like blender where MD really for the price can wipe the floor with Intel with its threads so do they have to compete I don't think I don't think Intel has to compete I think they can continue to exist without come but should they compete probably it's just it's the price right so you don't would you don't understand it just only can be one winner for everything it can't be a product suited for your needs it's not about personal computing it's about the best we just need to know the best Steve what's your prediction right now sunny Cove or rise in 3000 series for 2019 that's a trap it's you won't answer he will not answer it's you know I'm gonna I'm gonna do the answer that I hate getting from people from companies will just say it depends it depends on your use case depends on what you want and Terry I mean if you want to overclock I also go ahead and predict that there's probably gonna be more Headroom there for Intel on overclocking just based on the current market so yeah I am these stretching every bit of out of there CPS that they can make server clogging kind of boring if you're not doing anything exotic so Intel might still hold the place there and we did give Intel an award for the the most fun to overclock this year but AMD like Rison 720 700 is extremely competitive and things like hobbyist production if you're doing blender 3d animation and 3d rendering workloads I mean yeah but that could change we could see a whole new world if we see rise in seven 3000 come out at CES and we do see sunny Cove next year next year like all bets are off we don't know what we're gonna see right yeah I think next year is going to be if everything happens to schedule that we understand presently I think next year will be a major year for CPUs now you're looking at Intel's making some pretty massive moves that deviate from its current was designed a great deal especially with join for things like stacking and fava roasts whatever they called that approach you know it's it's a it's a significant change it should make it more exciting to look at but yeah we don't we have no idea what that's gonna be for performance because it could fall apart for all we know it could be the best we've ever seen so if I want to go on a forum and I want to post something really negative but Intel how am I gonna do that you need to give me some advice well how do I we've already heard we already heard Steve's advice we want to hear your advice Gordon Gordon's advice what Gordon's advice be think Gordon's advice first first he would get their hands going cuz you gotta get the Gordon hands going right Gordon hands going so I think I think I as Gordon would say but but it's too late but but AMD but it's too late Gordon its timing Steve it's too late they miss the boat no one cares anymore I think that is what the the mean counter would truly find fuel to post there mean comment that is where they would find it to be the first is all that matters once you get to that clearly I mean look at the cons below this video there's probably like five down there right now that's a first that's true so if you posted firsts congratulations you won the Internet and thank you for joining me Steve oh thank you Gordon for doing this interview opportunity with gamers Nexus why are you holding the mic has to be holding a mic but anyway this is a channel gamers Nexus will be signing out now back to you Dave that's that's not actually what I say