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can you see that there's a blob of hot glue in there Walmart's trying to get into building gaming pcs and it's not looking good so this is the dt w3 we paid two thousand two hundred fifty one dollars and 18 cents for this gaming pc it is a 10 a TT I build with an 8700 CPU 9 K and then we don't yet know what the motherboard or the power supply are there's the most interesting here because they're the easiest parts to cheap out on and it's supposed to have also I believe 32 gigabytes of memory in it so this is the most expensive one that Walmart makes and we paid for it bought it myself and the front panel is the most immediate point of concern where there is about two millimeters of space for the fans to breathe but we're gonna do today is take it apart look at the quality of components and figure out if there's anything in Walmart could have done better for their first gaming PC builds before that this video is brought to you by us and the just buy it code unlike real time ray-tracing 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the case I'm more curious about this memory stick so let's let's take this out alright ok so the memory ddr4 2400 CL 17 sixteen gx1 7b okay so I'm gonna gonna go ahead and say this is a 16 gigabyte stick which is 50% of what I paid for okay that's that's not correct video card should be a 1080 TI it is a gigabyte card so I'll give Kyle credit for identifying that in his video by only the rear ayah or the expansion cover okay video card support bracket no present opinion on that cuz I'm more concerned about if we got what we paid for the video card retention system of a USB 3 cable is working though so okay this video card is model GV 1070 which is not a 1080 TI it's in fact quite far from a 1080 TI so okay so 1070 16 gigabytes of RAM what we bought versus what we got we bought this we put a screenshot on the screen or something this is a $2,100 computer before shipping you can see GT X 1080 TI 32 gigabytes of RAM 512 gigabyte SSD the one in here is not that either and that's 2,100 bucks which is already a ripoff there's already a tremendous ripoff Walmart has the biggest margins we've seen of any of the s i--'s it's completely crazy because if you look at even just like high-power CyberPower you can get an r/t X 20 80 and a 9700 K for cheaper than this actually so that's already ripoff but what they've done is rip us off more we got this so we bought the $2,100 1080i system already being ripped off and then we receive the $1400 overpowered gaming dtw one and you can actually reach that invoice on the invoice where is it invoice Opie game desktop DTW three PC 2000 $99 clearly I but I clicked the right thing and I added the right thing to the cart and I paid for the right thing that that was a very expensive thing to buy and what we got was ADT w1 which is a different SKU with the GTX 970 16 gigabytes of RAM so here's the thing they shipped the ROM wrong products there's a few ways to look at that but the box it came in says NVIDIA GTX 970 so they put the right computer in the right box and I guess that makes it all they had to do is check the invoice to make sure the right computer went to the right person but then if you look at this one the external shipping container it also says dtw 100 also separately their logo is a Sipapu fish I guess because that's the only it's court Patrick that's the only fish that's shaped like a and oh that's a pretty colossal cup by Walmart on that one but it could be across shipping issue I guess the question is whether support will help us out hi I ordered one of the overpowered Walmart gaming pcs and it just got here and it's actually not not the right product Steve yeah so I ordered the dtw three there's the model number and I received the dtw one which is a it's a price difference the the products I received is a $1400 product and the one I paid for is a $2,100 product so I guess they'll ship a replacement after they get this one back so the reason this bothers me though is because we don't know there's just some widespread logistics issue or two one off and they just got they just happen to hit a reviewer with it but if it is a wider spread issue the concerning point is that it's a computer the target audience for a Walmart computer is probably someone who doesn't know a lot about computers like maybe a parent find for a kid to play for at night or something and that audience isn't going to know the difference between the parts and this one and the parts and the $2,100 one we were supposed to get so the concerning thing is if this happens on any scale of 1 or greater there is a high chance potentially of a customer not knowing they got significantly less than what they paid for and that is ultimately the problem here with what we ended up with I mean yeah they're going to replace it they're not cross shipping which is pretty annoying but they're going to replace it it's just that it shouldn't have to be replaced and and the concern again is that someone won't know they got less than what they actually paid for it cuz computers are complicated but anyway let's take apart the rest of the things so clearly it's not the correct one but we can still critique the build process and the build quality well that explains why that USB 3 cable was kind of difficult to remove they've got a big blob of hot glue on the motherboard holding the USB 3 header in why why would you do that it's fine like I guess for shipping purposes they don't want it to come out or something but seriously okay so what what is the motherboard it is a gigabyte h3 10 m/s - is that the 22 nanometer chipset model let's see how was the $70 the cable management clearly could have been done better so they've got I mean huh hmm yeah I guess they could have routed some of it through here I was gonna say they don't have a ton of options with this case but for example this leads to SATA cables could be routed through this hole here I'd be a bit cleaner this could be routed through that hole these could be routed through this hole and then this could for example not exist so what I really want to know is a thermal paste application and the power spot let's start with the power supply there's the cables I mean they are tied down like to their credit they actually did kind of Cale manage this side what's the power supply though I'm curious if the power supply isn't is improved as they increase the component quote like if they actually shipped me one of the ten atti so does a great wall power supply probably also the case manufacturer and you can do 21 amps on the CPU which it's really not not indicative of a whole lot let's add there you go 500 watts 500 watts ten seventy eighty seven hundred that's fine but either way I'm not a great power supply is it rated eighty plus anything I don't think so they had it faced the fan was facing the right direction that's good better than expected CPU can do 252 watts so I mean that's fine for an 8700 not overclocked CPU I guess definitely garbage power supply this whole thing is kind of a ripoff I mean yes you can always build your own for cheaper but that's not really the point here the point is that you can go to like any other SI that's existed forever CyberPower ibuypower you can go to even someone like del probably and get a better quality system like with better parts in it for a cheaper price so we have we we have an iWeb power system here that's two thousand dollars cheaper and it has an RT X 2080 not a 1080 TI although we never did get that and it has 9700 K and again it's cheaper and it has like real parts in it so that's definitely a big difference here between Walmart's and what the other people make incumbent uh size so they replace the reset switch with an LED button on the top you can push it to change the color of the LEDs that is plugged into an extension cable which then goes into an LED content fan controller well they're not a good one but some no direct fan speed control for the case fans so this goes on the side and where'd it go do we have object permanence yet it's gone so no airflow at all on this side glass comes all the way out to the front for some reason that mother would an h3 10 motherboard is on this chipset they're dealing with significantly reduced bandwidth so the bus speed here instead of eight Giga transfers per spec and DM i3 with basically any other Intel motherboard chipset like BB 360 chipset you're getting five giga transfers per second DMI to so that's a significant reduction also the memory is a bit funny here you'll notice it has two slots this is going to be true pretty much all h3 ten motherboards they can only have one dim perch annal so the max you can have is really two Dimps and that is a limiter as well USB support the i/o support is significantly limited you're dealing with a lot fewer USB devices the max number of PC Express Lanes off of the chipset is that be that thing right there is reduced to 6 from 12 on the B 360 board so big difference is there in chipset quality and choosing this chipset on what is really supposed to be a high-end gaming machine is is a poor cost-saving move by Walmart or whoever they are employing to do this next thing this is just kind of sloppy in here so you'll notice that there is an 8 pin EPS 12 volt connector for a four pin EPS 12 volt slot on the motherboard and although it's fine because I mean clearly they just split in half anyway it's fine it's just they should have pre split just looks it's just sloppy to have half of the connector handing over the motherboard header without going without being in use okay now the real quality inspection can begin check that out do you need some sticky substance on your USB 3 cable because you get it with Walmart along with probably everything else on there store shelves so here's our board and pretty small board H 310 ms 2 gigabyte board - here Kyle did his video talking about the product page and in Kyle spirit because he can't see this in person right now I will mention it's got the ketchup and mustard cables accompanied by whatever blue is associated with blue cheese I don't know I'm fine with those typically but that's because I want to be able to clamp things or know where the voltages are for something like this I would actually prefer them to be blackout I mean they're expensive systems oh yeah we should look at the fan Koonin is the fan and or maybe if it's a pinion then maybe soon on a thermal total solution provider double ball bearing DC 12-volt and probably about ninety two millimeters but let's double check ninety two millimeters as you can see on the calibers oh yeah depended I guess 85 played the blade but let's call it roughly 92 because that's a real size and then we can look at their thermal paste application quality because that's a small attention to detail thing that I feel like they would mess up I still can't get over that they're using an H 310 motherboard with nearly like half the DMI as as B 360 and yet it's got an 8700 oh no my fingerprints are gonna be in at their own pace now they'll know let's see if there's actually an 8700 and see if they robbed us there too yep there's an 8700 I'm gonna go with inoffensive for the rest of that okay this part is kind of interesting too so drives you might be asking how many hard drives you're not but you are now and the reason you're asking is because there's one a hard drive in there and when you boot this thing into Windows we've we've been running we already ran thermal tests on this before the teardown Patrick's been doing a lot of that once you boot into Windows you'll see that there are four partitions for the hard drive we're not sure why there is a beautiful an SSD that we're booting from as well I'm not sure what spec that is though let's try and get access to that a data you'll see it's the it's the critically-acclaimed is SS three one six a data drive 540 sequential read 510 sequential right that's fine no publicly no easily found IOPS rating but the sequential is fine so anyway that's the SSD now one thing Patrick noticed here is if you look at that controller we were talking about the fans the the question is it does it look familiar so there's the Lian Li one in fact this controller even uses the same obnoxious fan header as the Lian Li fans so you could put Bora fans in here those annoying ones from before they revamp them where it's a proprietary header nothing else uses realistically Lian Li is probably behind this almost certainly buying this fan controller from the same company as Walmart is it's not I sincerely doubt Lian Li is oh yeah I mean this controller for Walmart it's probably just they've found the same supplier but just kind of interesting if you wanted to see some familiar parts in here okay so we've criticized a lot here let's look at the upsides the upsides are there using the SSD cages as cable management guides okay don't try to try to stay positive try to stay positive they have actual kill management routing clips here just plastic guides and they're used pretty well so job well done I guess for use in the space that they have some of the cables should be routed through different holes like I don't know anywhere else but there's not a whole lot of room for them to route stuff I guess you could like I was saying earlier push some of the cables through this channel because the motherboard only covers about half of this final distance here so I it's kale Mandarin it's okay on the back sort of it's just that like I think that's about the only positive thing I could find the panel spacing is terrible dust filters are lacking so there's zero dust filter on the front you know we were going to take that front panel off let's do that where are you going need to have to send it back all right so here's another problem no dust filter and this is just really really such a small expense to skip this is a consumer facing mainstream computer that probably parents are buying grandparents are buying maybe kids who who don't really know what the don't understand computers now why else do you go to Walmart and pay prices that are over every other si in the market even if you don't want to build one that's a valid --it you don't have to build a computer there's no elitism here if you want to buy one that's perfectly fine but just buy one that makes sense for the price and there are plenty of competitors who will build a better system again we've got that ibuypower one theirs has dust filters this has no dust filter and for something which is probably never going to be open because it is a prebuilt it should have some basics like dust filtration this thing's gonna get packed with dust as it gets used and that is going to hurt that small air cooler it's it's just gonna struggle as it ages so it's just just kind of really being chief where they shouldn't be I think probably the just one of the weirdest choices is this one I keep going back to it I know but usb3 instead of coming from up there and going into the motherboard it's going to the back for a single type C header one which shows the it shows that there was zero customization of this case other than the side panel on the front panel being printed on or there having that logo glued onto it because if there any customization you could stick that into a USB port like an existing USB 2 header you just stick it in there and fill it with plastic it doesn't even need to be retooled so kind of weird but no customization going on probably no one really in product development who knows what they're doing hopefully because if they do I'm I'm sorry but anything else I don't know I think that's about it really the the biggest problem here other than you know spending $600 plus more than than the cost of this computer by Walmart's own prices not counting the amout they were already gouging the price is the biggest problem I suppose is there's looking at the core i7 8th gen sticker is that the component choice is bad so even for this model $1400 I think 1070 with a single stick of 16 gigabytes of memory in an H series h3 10 motherboard we've got one dim por channel with a truncated diiemma or a bus speed / DMI and that other component choice is like well the power supply 500 watt great wall power supply no 80 plus certification on it you can get better components from any other si and part of this is they've got deals in place they have people who work there who know what they're doing even if you don't agree with buying a prebuilt like you got a got acknowledge that this is objectively worse than the pre builds from pretty much every other SI that we all know the nail I mean main gears kind of on the expensive end Origen absolutely expensive and where is kind of a joke these days then you've still got cyber power high power and digital storm all the other ones in between zai dax all of them at least they have enthusiasts there NZXT is BLD that's a new one they have enthusiasts there who know what they're doing and and the component choice generally at least uses enthusiast grade components I mean stuff that you can buy DIY you can buy this great wall power supply DIY but you know what I mean doesn't really count so it's not brand name so uh yeah there's your 20 $100 computer it's actually a $1,400 computer I guess we got to got to work that out with Walmart get a replacement and very very disappointed in the build quality overall disappointed in the buying experience and I guess at this point we'll finish our test we did thermals already so we'll do some more now and what we can do is run it through testing and then we'll build the system with the same core components perhaps like an 8700 and a 1070 I guess or 1080i and then see if there's any performance difference from upgrading the motherboard and upgrading the cooling solution because the case sucks so that's it for this one they are watching subscribe for more you can go to store like Aaron's access net if you want to buy 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