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for this video we're joined by a lot of the tech YouTube scene and also written journalists in the technical hardware review space just a quick note here this was filmed at the Intel event before any of us knew about the principal technologies benchmarks for any of that so there's no context of that here instead what we'll be talking about is entirely about the 9900 Kay revealed the 99 ATX e reveal what are the concerns and what are the things that we thought were good but there is ZERO discussion about the principal detect testing because we just it either didn't exist publicly yet or we didn't know it existed yet because we're at the event so for this video we have bit wit Kyle we have Paul or Paul's hardware we've got joker productions jeff Kampmann from tech report Gordon from PC world Rob Williams from tech gauge and Marco Chiappetta from Hardware before that this video is brought to you by EVGA SRT X 20 atti XE ultra video card we recently use this to beat our founders edition overclocking results with its additional power target Headroom and cooling capabilities the XE ultra uses a 2.7 extra thick heatsink for quiet operation under low loads but also maintains higher clocks on average over the FE model learn more at the link in the description below and first up I've got bit wit Kyle how's it going bit wit how's it going hey so Kyle's got a YouTube channel you should probably probably check it out I'll link it below Kyle for the launch event here is there anything that you found particularly interesting good bad how do you walk through this I think the thing that excited me the most was it was finally nice to is okay you hold it you dear are you okay I was just making try to make your life easy I was pretty excited about the the stim or the the soldered Tim which is I think something that we've all been looking forward to it was nice to have that final confirmation from Intel today it'll be kind of interesting to see like where the whole d-lighting community goes with this right I'm sure it's not gonna stop anyone from still trying to pry it open and see you know what can be done there but I think it's definitely exciting the 5 gigahertz out of the box is pretty cool too obviously we'll be able to overclock that well beyond 5 seems and you know pricing is pretty much in line with what a lot of the rumors said for at least for the the 9900 K and I think it's I think it's fair I mean obviously we'll have to wait till we test it first but I think also for me as a content creator it kind of is nice a nice sort of stopgap between what was like the previous generation and like the high-end desktop platform so you don't have to fork out quite as much money and you know we've been hearing rumors and stuff from guys like Asus who are maybe coming to the market with 32gig dims right so I mean even if you only have dual channel memory it's it's looking pretty good for for a content creators perspective so yeah round 2 for overclocking wars yeah you know what I didn't really quite get there to round one so maybe this is my chance for redemption I'm excited all right so check out bit wits channel I'll link it below and next up we'll talk to Paul so next up I've got Paul from Paul's Hardware here we are settling our overclocking battle with violence fisticuffs so Paul would what did you think of this all right so I'm always initially excited about these because new hardware is kind of our thing so but of course we must be critical as well so I mean it really it's gonna come down to testing benchmarks performance they seemed very positive about the gaming performance of the 9900 Kay and that's to be expected so yeah the pricing is still tends to be a little bit high on the high side for Intel I'd like to see them do less of the here's our comparison to AMD and how we're beating them and more of a here's our comparison to AMD and how we're becoming more price competitive with them which we didn't really see very much of here so how did you feel about the 99 80 X YZ benchmarks they showed us what maya game-like compiling and premiere or something now were you were you looking for more there I was looking for more I think we were sitting next to each other and I mentioned it seems like all of the stuff that they're testing the 2990 W X and comparing it to their current their new 18 core is the stuff that the 2990 W X is the worst at like premiere game performance is really bad on the 2990 W X because the latency between all the cores so it's not really the best comparison there but it does seem interesting that there it seems like there's an emerging third market for the CPU space right now there's the really high core count stuff really CPU intensive stuff there's sort of the mid-range that they're trying to pitch it like the creator slash gamer where it's like it's got your good gaming performance but also high core count for video render rendering and that kind of thing and then of course the mainstream stuff that's like strictly just for gaming or maybe your gaming and streaming so I think it'll be interesting to see how that plays out I guess over the next year or so yeah so as I said before channels link below that's Paul from Paul's hardware and I guess we'll we'll revisit the overclocking battle potentially with this one as well yeah we gotta get the ninety that way ninety nine eighty nine ninety nine eight exe or an eighty XE and overclocked that and beat our scores yes alright check that out below will get Joker up next okay so now we've got Joe key here from Joker productions also on YouTube and Joker same question what you think of the event any any Goods and goods and Bad's well I was trying to find the water chiller off stage somewhere but it seemed like they were actually running the twenty eight core just on a normal liquid cooler but I will continue my investigation as I'm going around the area a lot of these desk seems to be open but some are closed so might be tucked away underneath somewhere it could be tucked away somewhere like other things are tough never mind but so I'm excited for the i9 you know eight cores and everything like that hopefully seem at five gigahertz depending on how well they overclock I was a little a little miffed about the removal of hyper-threading though on the i7 it seems kind of weird that they are choosing to segment it that way rather than cores it would have seemed to be make more sense for the i7 to continue being six cores with twelve threads and then at the i-5 six four six threads I thought that would have made a lot more sense than making eight cores eight threads because there's really no reason to pick one up over an 8700 K depending on you know what the performance actually I would agree with that that was not decision yeah I mean you know even though they're not physical cores having 12 threads is still going to be better in multi-threaded workloads traditionally if you're doing rendering or streaming or whatever it's going to help you out more than just having the physical cores right definitely any anything what about the 18 core part have any any thoughts there I still want to know how it's running on on all of course one stare boat I hear the you were curious about that as well yes so I we'll have an update to this in the article by now but I asked several times what is the all-court frequency are you not going to answer the question and after the event someone came over and answered the question and so the answer was the single core frequency for the 18 core part is 4.7 gigahertz and the all core frequency is 3.8 gigahertz so that was the answer that we could not get significantly lower basically yeah but not low enough to shy away from it so I think someone just genuinely didn't know the answer something to that effect and my question for you now is do you plan on taking one of these and overclocking it and then putting Paul and J resting in peace again and re overclocking and trying to get a better time for twying streams great but you can are you gonna beat them further you're gonna just keep digging are you gonna get your Bower you can only kick a man when he's down so much okay I have more else and also with them doing the solder Tim now they pretty much kind of killed the D living business overnight right like I mean cut people like Durbar who make d living tools pretty much killing that business right now yeah I'm not sure what's gonna happen to that I talked to Roman before about that at Computex and he said he'd personally prefer solder anyway because it makes his overclocking life easier but it is a market that thighs sure that's that's kind of sad but Joker's channel below if you want to check him out thank you for joining me - to all the youtubers here and I'm gonna see if I can get Gordon on camera as well so now I'm here with Gordon from PC world Gordon joined us previously at after packs after that panel and Gordon same question for you as everyone else what do you think's good what are you concerned about what he excited about you mean the good news is obviously there's a sale on thermal interface material Intel's got like a truckload of solder they're all soldered everything soldered so that's good news I do want to say one thing to the community who have for years and years and years who pseudo where's my pace - oh it's just paste Tim where's the solder where you got hotter now so you can't complain about them giving you solder so I just want to make sure people got that straight solder they get Sauter's back you can't now ding someone for giving what you've asked for pricing is gonna be issue right I think it's interesting you know Intel made this claim that it's a world best gaming processor I know a lot of AMD fans they're gonna be all pissy about that but let's 87 decay had the higher clocks 9900 kay he's got the higher clocks they're gonna probably hold that position and I think he tells like hey you want cores and you want high clocks you're gonna have to pay a couple hundred bucks 100 extra bucks for it I think there's people that will do it they don't have a problem with that because Intel plus higher clocks they will do it but yeah it's for a lot of people they're gonna say hey 27 Derek's with the cooler s my you know it's better for me but I do think there's some concern for that I am still trying to sort out the core X parts which are the skylake X parts with basically take sky like X with paste imput in solder Tim higher clocks better part so I think it'll be a better part overall I'm you know there were those those power issues with overclocking I don't think that's gonna go away necessarily so there are gonna be problems that but I think it's it's a good sign because overall Intel is it's a big ship it's moving back into what everybody's been asking for so we'll see how it plays out and of course that 28 core part is you know interesting we don't have a price on it who knows but it's just there to make sure they can say their first I like to say companies like to have moral high-ground into us like to have the moral high ground even though they don't they're not a better deal for consumers they want they don't really care about that they want to care about we have more performance which manager I'm gonna try to look at the camera Steve says people don't look at the camera I'm gonna count but yeah yeah I mean you know overall it's a it's a good it's a good thing I I kind of wish they would compete on price as somebody who likes cheaper things I don't think Intel wants to put go there because I mean probably what would happened is Intel would go to 350 on the 9900 K and then AMD all great that's nice we're cutting 27 you're next to $200 right and it's like Intel doesn't want to chase AMD all the way down there they they like money that I have to pay for all these fabs so--but overall it's still a good thing we'll have to see how everything stacks up and actual performance you know for the most part so and you know it's it's good its overall it's good right how could you say anything negative except for the B book oh why didn't you do soda before until those people well it's here now you're complaining about the solder well see well see how it does and of course now people are gonna complain that they can't deal with it anymore right you can't win you can't win you just you can't win it would be like oh yeah right you're because people say like why can't it's too hard time breaking it cuz I went to well then just go with that don't need to deal in it then but then I don't know I uh you know Saunders back it's good you've been asking for four years I think we all have been saying it's good but you know good point uh there I was talking to them about earlier like hey you know what devil's canyon we use that that was just stuff we got at Radio Shack right they work fine so it wasn't in fact they call it something else but it was not but I mean clearly you could do hi clocks with with the the pace before but yeah solder is better so I guess good it's good it's good pricing not good solder good pricing twenty-eight core leases here it's gonna come out in its year so it'll be I'm surprised they're not using car nine though but that'll be interesting yeah I am so that's that's Gordon from PC R oh wait wait last thing though last thing do you think Steve they were throwing shade at AMD because it's like oh look cuz we had go to this big socket for six channels of memory you need more memory bandwidth you have a lot of course I think that memory bandwidth is gonna be a problem for third or at the high end maybe you've done more threader for to testing that I have at this point so you would you would know better but I think for sure there was there were some comparisons to Andy but and they did say we benchmarked the other guys too right but most of those comparisons were things that Andy is just really not good at and everyone knows that and of course I am T does mostly the same thing as well I'll give AMD some credit lately when they've shown gaming benchmarks they do actually show us when they lose sometimes like they'll say we're negative seven percent but they never say we're negative like thirty percent right so yeah that's true I mean yeah it's nice to see people being a little more honest but they always tend to show when they're doing better premiere is interesting they're saying that was a memory bandwidth workload so I guess we'll see when we get all these parts but definitely I think it's it's going to be an issue for a third over I mean it'll seem like feels like we'll get the Ripper 2:32 core for high compute tasks things worried memory bandwidth matters you got to go to the Zeon part right so we'll see right and also frequency of course yeah and frequencies so yeah that's two out of I it's you know but then this can be cost too because we don't know what the cost of this part is and if they since the eighteen core core i9 where the ninth gen Cora nine is still two grand where do they come in on that yeah I don't know I mean there I guess there's a rumor of $5,000 on that but that's you know yeah it's a rumor but yeah that price is probably the least the least rigid part of any spec sheet right that's that's the one they can change the easiest see right yeah so check out PC world for sure they have a podcast on the YouTube that I was on previously and they've got the website of course PC world calm Thank You Gordon for joining me thanks so now I have Rob Williams from tech gage here if you don't know who Rob is rob has a it's a website tech age calm and you started doing YouTube recently too right yes yes I have so Rob does some of the the bests I guess workstation testing I've seen in the space definitely check them out if you're interested in that and has a unique perspective for this then so same questions everyone else what'd you think was good what do you think was bad any anything you're excited about or concerned about hmm for one thing I'm really happy about the new 9900 Kay I think it's a cool processor because it's the fastest all core turbo how can you not like that eight core is gonna be good for well-rounded consumers high-end enthusiasts even who don't need the high-end the x-series or whatever so and they're using good Tim now so I mean that's one of the biggest things take aways from this for sure and just just to clarify for the audience Tim is just thermal interface material which you all know of course but it doesn't mean thermal paste a lot of people get that mixed up so solder is still Tim and they're using solder so soldered Tim yeah what did anything anything that you were concerned about annoyed with yes I don't understand why the 9700 K was increased in price while hyper threading was removed we got two extra cores right still an a thread processor so they increased the price and yeah just to differentiate from the 9900 K I don't really like that too much they shouldn't have downgraded it as far as I'm concerned yeah yeah I would agree with that it's it's an unnecessary level product segmentation so how about on the high end it's still I guess it's all sky like X right yes any any thoughts on that part I don't know it's what we're given we can't really do anything about it right so I mean we can be happy that they're putting good thermal interface material in there now because I mean the 16 corn 18 core last gen right the X series when you ran in avx-512 test they got so hot so hot so I'm just looking forward to actually less less temperatures especially for such a beefy core chip yeah definitely so that's Rob from tech age will have his link below as well so now we've got Marco Chiappetta from hot hardware hardware does a lot of news reporting they also have a YouTube channel linked them below to Marco's same question for you as everyone else what do you think's good what do you think's bad anything you're excited about yeah so I think there's lots of good stuff first I'm happy that there is some a fire under Intel and we're seeing lots of new enthusiasts targeted stuff everything from the enthusiasts standpoint except for maybe pricing looks good you know you have a higher frequencies better gaming performance and new products for creators as well so you get those really many core processors there's lots of variety to choose from there are some things to be concerned with pricing is one thing to be worried about some of the higher-end parts you know they're being billed as new processors but it's still skylake X so with higher frequencies there's potential for some serious power consumption there hopefully those slider Tim's help with temps but we'll see how it all plays out when we test them you know yeah any any thoughts on the said they listed TDPS as always 95 watt for the 900 k I think is what it said I indeed any any thoughts on that you think that's a valid measurement of anything so the 99 hundred K is a new chip so until we test it it's really I'm gonna have to take Intel at their word I think power is going to be okay on the 99 hundred K you know they've had time to tweak their process it is it's not it's not new core technology but it is a new piece of silicon so I think that's going to be alright the other chips I think is questionable you getting higher frequencies out of a 28 courtship it's gonna use a lot of power there's just just there's no cheating the laws of physics it's how it's gonna be you know just despite Intel literally saying we had to break the laws of physics to bring you these parts which gotta say is probably not what happened but it's okay to say they think it's fast any I don't know anything you think about what about the 1980 XE the 18 core high end part any specific thoughts there until I tested I'm not gonna draw any conclusions I think it's gonna be you know if you're familiar with the 79 80 XE I don't think it's gonna be a world of difference from there I think you obviously you're gonna have higher overall perfect because it frequencies better overclocking and thermals because of the new Tim I think I'm sort of excited from a technology standpoint for that unlock Xeon I know that's going to be super power-hungry but having an unlocked crazy high-end Xeon to compete with the 2990 WX that's going to be fun to play with I know the value crop is probably not there for most people but it's gonna be really cool to bench market and overclock it and see what it does you're gonna need a ton of cooling obviously but I'm happy to see Intel doing that at least you know if AMD didn't get back on the ball the last couple years I don't think we'd see basically any of this stuff so I think it's cool that it's happening as a longtime enthusiast you know how hard we're going on 20 years it's great to see this stuff coming again and to see sort of some excitement in the enthusiasts desktop space absolutely so as I said link below for a hot Hardware they've got a YouTube channel and a website and thank you for joining me Marco so now we have Jeff Kampmann here from tech report calm and tech report of course we have a lot of respect for I've mentioned them a lot in the past Scott Watson founded it and Jeff is now is it editor-in-chief is that the correct title that's right so we've got a Jeff from tech report same question for you as everyone else going through the event where do you want to start with mainstream you want to start with a EDT let's start with mainstream so the i9 9900 k obviously is the part that everybody has wanted it's a skylight course at 16 threads with Intel's latest process technology and solder Tim and that right there if you know where Intel has been kind of behind AMD in the past couple years is you know that's what everybody wanted it's just I you know I have all the respect for being able to deliver the chip and put you know liquid metal under there but I don't want to bother with it I just want to put it in the socket and go and with the ninth-generation chips you can do that now and great so they've accomplished that goal yeah because I don't want I don't like my lab I don't like loud pcs and I being able to cool the chip effectively is just as important as being able to get the best performance out of it so also the all core clock speed on the 9900 K I believe is 4.7 gigahertz it almost obviates the need to overclock and that's it's just gonna be a really awesome part but it's really expensive too so I mean it's sort of bridging high-end desktop and mainstream so as for the rest of the parts the the i-5 is still six core six threads probably won't be a major advance over the eighty six hundred K the 9700 K is going to be more attainable I think in terms of pricing and we're just gonna have to see how to move from six cores and twelve threads to eight cores without hyper threading effects lineup but overall I'm really impressed I have a z3 90 motherboards at home they've got meaningful improvements to the VR MVR I'm cooling and I can't wait to get a chip in there and let it rip so yeah yeah I agreed what about a h EDT side so there's there's be no chips in there prices that it looks like they've shifted a little bit I think so the I wasn't actually expecting X 299 refresh but it looks like that's what we're getting today and so they've dropped the six core chip which is necessary and you know nobody was buying 7800 X's at this point so now the entry-level is eight cores and 16 threads with quad channel memory and the same solder Tim and again none of my skylake X chips were limited by the chip they were limited by the thermal interface material it's really it's really great now that we can probably take those chips to their full potential because they from watching your videos we know that they have more in them than what we're getting today and so I'm again those those launch next month I think and I'm really really excited to see like what those can do now that they're not like constrained thermally I would say gimped but in I think Intel has made meaningful improvements to the platform as well having forty four I think Intel says up to sixty eight PCIe lanes for the platform on all of its parts now which presumably means that they're gonna use they're gonna stop segmenting they're gonna stop making 28 Lane and 44 Lane parts and that was another major point of concern I really really hate writing about motherboards where I have to be like well you put this CPU in there and then you put this CPU in there and it does this that and the other it's just like x3 99 from AMD was refreshing because you don't have to think it just you what you see is what you get and I think that's really what high-end desktop builders want and aside from the small changes at the bottom of the stack there are now 2/10 core CPUs one slightly less good and one that's about as good as the I 970 900 X all of them have four point five gigahertz peak turbo boost max 3.0 speeds yeah I mean so I think it's a really good response they have it really balanced lineup now if you can afford to pay for it and that's again the theme here is just they're maintaining the premium positioning and they can probably justify it so yeah I think it's meaningful but we'll have to test and see and then yeah you want to talk about the where we think of 3175 or yeah sure what do you think so at the top line up the 28 core part that we saw at Computex is now official and it's called the CM w 31 75 X the motherboards are ridiculous the cooling is probably going to have to be ridiculous but I think for people who were you for caught people for whom cost is no object and time is money I think that's gonna be a really interesting part but it's gonna you know I'm just intimidated by the motherboards and the power requirements and oh boy I might have to be upgrading my the circuits in my office to handle the demands of an overclocked 3175 ax but hey it's a Z on that you might be able to buy for less than $10,000 and put in a motherboard and actually used in a PC and it's hard not to be excited about that so yeah so it's yeah I think it's been a big day for Intel I think this is a real they're really responding to what the new competition in the marketplace well it's not really new anymore but they were definitely responding to the competition and I think that's great to see so it's really exciting time absolutely so as I said tech report com4 where Jeff works you want to check out there right up as well and that'll that'll cap everyone so we got everyone in here thank you Jeff for joining me thank you Steve and will and as I said type reports do you guys do any video these days or podcasts just are mainly written content a tech report common so god it's check it out very in-depth stuff we can recommend it highly thank you for watching subscribe for more we'll see you all next time