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everyone so end of CES I'm joined by Paul s hardware and Kyle haul ass hardware that's my new channel to get it off the ground thanks for the plug Steve yeah subscribe no that's that's an S period hardware and then bit with Kyle so Kyle just screwed both of us over and also live kind of screwed yourselves did all the heavy lifting for me no should've known math all of us before that this video is brought to you by the open bench table a lightweight and ultra portable test bench built with high-quality anodized aluminum and with a modular approach to design the open bench table is easy to collapse store and assemble to test different parts and is one of the test benches that we use in the GN labs the open bench table contains everything you need to test PC builds and configurations and it's available in silver black red and a mini ITX version learn more at the link in the description below I got you Kyle when you were planning bit winter knit with what was the process for choosing the questions you chose because you had if you haven't see check his channel I'm sure it'll be up sometime within the next couple of weeks but so so it's ok so here's the deal this is like episode 3 or 4 for us the first time that has actually had like youtuber celebrity guys and stuff like that I guess you guys were celebrities a surprise usually it's just random people on the street right yeah I meet up a Craigslist and so I don't know who I'm gonna get so I just have to use like to make the question super easy just to be more inclusive for everyone but for you guys I was like this is what they do they're the professionals experts whatever whatever once again so I spent about two hours last night curating these five questions trying to find something that was a bit more challenging and difficult and I think I overshot my goal because well you guys you guys should watch the episode anyway if you haven't yet but some they gave me valiant effort a for now probably tried our best April effort a forever yeah but now all the people who have watched that would earn it would know the answers to those questions and knowing the answers to those questions you asked I think it will be very helpful for lots of people yes later in life yes I have to know exactly what the specifications are of 1870 and e360 I can save your life one day because you could this is relevant all right so CES topics Paul you you were just honest about killer robots Kyle what did what did you what did you see what did you think so we did we did see some pretty cool stuff I was talking to you earlier about the other capella ex LED technology than more serious now trying to implement and things I know it's like it's RGB and stuff but it's like it's almost like RGB is so so ingrained now that it's just you even get tired of it seeing it all the same so it's actually innovation in RGB which is kind of cool it's like alright give me something a little bit different and it looks like they're trying to push things forward in that way also I went to the fantex booth and saw some pretty cool stuff there the the Lux queue looks pretty promising especially all the flexibility in there you can fit like dual 360 and dual 4 80s at the same time it's a dual system chassis in general and it's got well you want to take stuff you had the fan sex as well right actually didn't visit Pentax really at this show but I got the P 600's before the show so I was able to do an overview on that did you see some real solid case you see the blocks if they have for the other dominus yeah erm and for the I saw the blocks for the the video cards okay they also had like I don't know if they house therefore they they had the Dominus actually mounted in one of the elite the athili because apparently it's the only case right now in the market that can fit that motherboard and they actually so they said that Intel hits them up for like hey we need we need help guys or it might have been issues and so then they truly ever developed custom blocks for the BRM the board's vrm is also not yeah 100% yeah yeah yeah x $5.99 unfortunately not a huge traffic or interest driver I think for the show absolutely not I can't imagine why it seems like I said of most people's price range yeah or just the existence of the chip to buy at all yes yeah what was the price do you know what the what the end price was it's like I heard 4,000 I heard 8,000 I don't know have you landed for sale anywhere probably something now middle I have not found it online Nicholas if you find it for four grand are you gonna buy one yeah I'll buy one I have to beat Jenny that would probably be a good good reason investment for that yeah that's about the only reason it's a good investment at least for our on our end is their cut out like if it's eight thousand still how much how much is worth how much is watching this right now they're the how much can we charge I'm just beating Jay worth to you a gram how much would you pay to beat Jay it's really how much I don't know I I feel like I can push Jay into buying it's here so I'll help it against the forehead it didn't kill a killer how many of those 28 cores we sold to do so far I know who that went to yeah and there's nothing or maybe yeah within 30 days yeah just like the the Walmart system yes but you have returned to despite its fractured glass I haven't returned it yet oh really 30-day window so we're gonna do it soon they were generous enough to allow you to return it yes very clear that the entire front panel was basically gone and the guy just didn't care he's like look that it looks like Walmart effed up and they're trying to make right and which is fine by me okay now that was a giveaway system so what what's happening with the winner at the gala but I'm gonna have a different system that's either got equal or better specs that's gonna be going on soon as well that's not be difficult yeah yeah true Vega Vega is big any thoughts on Radeon being a seven yeah the radiant seven so we were talk a little bit about like where this card comes from because it's not Navi and a lot of people were expecting Navi or something on Navi and they really didn't say anything the speculation was that they're taking instincts GPUs and repurposing them for Radeon seven which might be an indicator of why there's 16 gigs of HBM 2 on there which most people really don't need for gaming it's way overkill so I think it makes a lot of sense as a crossover card between if you're really going to do some production with it and also game it also allows AMD to say hey we have a seven animator card it's out on the market a big question when it comes to performance but if it can really count on my line up at the 2080 it seems like it's relatively competitive the interesting thing that I heard is that the the car do you guys saw at the show the 3:3 fan version that AMD came out with is the only one that's gonna exist there's gonna be no third-party designs for it so draw from that what you will is yeah and I heard from sort of board partners that they just weren't sure so it sounded like there was still some hope there okay so maybe maybe in black shirt I don't know maybe don't wait and see how sales go there are times where we're in media we know more than some of the board partners just because of how information gets shared which is kind of sad so yeah if there's no there's no board partner model very least hopefully custom water blocks would be nice yeah I'm not gonna get that's my question was like hey this looks like a real nice card are they third-party versions with can we expect them and the answer was you shouldn't so now how high up was the person last reasonably high you know what they're talking about okay big company yeah well I mean the the billing was creator card right like that's kind of how they built this great device 16 gigabytes HBM - when I last checked probably bout a year ago 8 gigabytes was a $150 cost so it's like almost half the cards cost is just a memory it's very expensive yeah every probably hasn't changed much right because I mean how are you doing right now in HBM - so like I've heard it's improved a bit but it's still the problem is like it's a total package yield so you have a big die and then you have HBM dies then you have an interposer yield so you've got yield on yield on yield like see that makes it expensive or interpose or something like 25 bucks each or something so yeah I don't on the creator side billing like do you guys ever run out of video memory when you're editing videos or anything like that no I did not but my video editor Joe up and work just after-effects and so that's a little bit higher level than most people who are just kind of chopping together a video right or something like that but it can eat up memory like like it loves memory so have you seen I think what's the highest it's ever gotten right now well I should clarify I'm talking about system memory when right after effects it doesn't use the GPU memory as much I could maybe see there's some sort of a you know patch - they'll be software something taking advantage of it but that's kind of the example I have where a actual production application that heats up memory that's why he has 128 gigs as far as vram goes I mean I've seen not really that much utilization when when editing because it doesn't really leverage that very much but especially in gaming I think the highest I've ever hit was maybe nine or ten gigs playing GTA 5 or something like that yeah that 4k and like okay like the RT X 2018 the RT X cards have like up to 11 gigs right but I think in 2019 we're gonna see that boundary pushed even further with upcoming titles Triple A games and stuff so it is going to be nice for for those high end gamers at least to to have that extra Headroom with the 16 I think and there there may be a use case I'm sure there is in machine learning and deep learning for like a budget class machine learning guard is it it's pretty cheap for that amount of memory but I don't think any of us really cover that spectrum and in any serious fashion and the other speculation is that they're taking instinct chips and that's what they're repurposing for the Radeon 7 so yeah I think that's probably accurate but yeah so I don't know we we've seen video memory issues sometimes in premiere but it's only when stacking like multiple super high resolution images on top of each other it's kind of hard to trigger it but it triggered I guess CBS I'd any thoughts I didn't see any CPUs at CES this year so a lot of the x5 99 boards the systems were completely built and there is no CPU in the socket so even though even the vendors putting the system's together don't have to display don't even have that they don't they don't have the 31 75 X several then we spoke with we're supposed to get one you could surmise most people with that motherboard we're supposed to get one but they were pulled at last second because they didn't show up in time or or some other reason for menzel right that was supposed to launch it end of 2018 I don't yeah it was at that Intel event right yeah well they from they promised at Computex that they'd have this 28 core monster consumer chip 5 gigahertz capable 2018 so it's not I I mean that's the softest launch I think I've ever I've ever seen it if like I still haven't thought anyone who could have good buy one at retail so yeah the fact that they existed in demo systems does not to me equate to launched in 2018 yeah right it's not available yet yeah did you find any killer robots Paul oh yeah you know apparently not he still lives I searched I searched for the killer robots I think there's a lot of robots that are capable of lethal force especially in large numbers for some of the smaller ones I do have some hope though because a lot of the companies developing the robot said our goal is harmony between the humans and the robots I don't know if those people were robots themselves that's a possibility you always have to keep that in mind right but you know they've come a long way so eventually I think we're just going to have to give in and accept their their dominance and control of risk that thought popped into my head at last booth on I don't know I can't seem to weird like if the machines are gonna take over one day which they inevitably will it's probably gonna start like right here like it'll be during CES like yeah it'll probably be Jensen it's what it'll be they'll get up onstage and you'll see this weird mechanical movement he'll walk out onstage with a product and then another Jensen to walk out onstage with yeah that's tonight ended like 2200 gems yeah ladies and gentlemen isn't it just the best isn't it just beautiful it just works his head will open and then like a little mini robot Jensen will walk out like a net in black and he'll be wearing a tiny leather jacket I just thought Lisa she was wearing a leather jacket I actually kind of like that I feel intentional right it's like a runway show right now who are you wearing oh I'm wearing the Jensen who did it best yeah I was wondering if it was a subtle digger comment to make your move yeah and it does seem we have I didn't read all the articles with the interviews after the AMD event but it does seem like we have pretty much confirmation that we're gonna get 16 cores on a m4 right and the desktop or at least yes at least two of the small quick dies which we assumed they would ratchet up to 16 core yeah I think should be 16 should be 12 but I don't know if that was officially I don't think that was officially announced but it seems like why would they position the chip up in the corner right that's there's no there's no sensible explanation for that yeah speaking with vendors it shouldn't be 12 in 16 are you gonna be modifying your mod mat for that special corner die oh yeah hey BMO no no application yeah I'm not sure it's so irrelevant yeah I don't know if they if they starts we've already had product development challenges where products change as we're working on stuff so I now understand better what the manufacturers go through especially those who work with Intel and AMD and NVIDIA it's like last-minute specs is but yeah I guess I guess to check out the killer robot video check Paul's channel to check out fit winner nitwit where you can watch three three three right away with me yeah if lose at a Who Wants to Be a Millionaire knockoff then you can check out fit with Kyle's channel super original you hippie yeah it's good though it's good it's I think it's a very fitting series for your content side yeah nervous you were nervous I I mean I didn't know what kind of test I was in for so that were yeah and then I failed mostly yes both physically and mentally challenging nervous anymore after you loves that's true as a weight that was lifted so really it was like it's like being born anew and the light of God that's how I describe it and then tech Jesus arrived [Laughter] all right and on that that very positive note will end here check their channels for more will link them in the description below I guess Luke is here in spirit of a cable tie he's been demoted cable tie handler cable tie Luke swagman swagman alright thank you guys for joining me we'll see you all next time kind of daily weather my god to the left out I'm in this third take it my face yes face needs to be right there and Kyle