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we're at the enter max booth now I can't beat X 2019 this one's going to be a little bit rough and not for me we'll start with the good stuff so this is a new pump design it's a dual chamber pump this comes after some of the concerns about like the tr4 pump and corrosion which I did talk to them about that so I have some news on why that was happening and how I know max thinks they have fixed it we'll also be talking about some cases that could use a little bit of work and and then well yeah let's let's start with a good thing though before that this video is brought to you by thermal takes ring duo 12 radiator fans the reading duo 12 fan kit comes with three a RGB 120mm fans with a controller and each fan equipped with 18 LEDs and a diffuser for a glowing color inside of the fan rain with fluid color changes when cycling through the color spectrum the fans are made for use on radiators and use hydraulic bearings for long lifespan rated at 40,000 hours for the fan the fans have an RPM range of 500 to 1500 giving the ability to quiet down the fans under low load or boost them for heavy workloads the ring duo a 12s are available now learn more at the link in the description below so the pump this is a new design they're trying to get a patent on it or maybe already patented dual chamber pretty straightforward so plain English it's got two chambers the inlet as illustrated by this giant cross-section which is actually pretty sweet and really appreciate them doing this inlets over here it drops in sort of towards by this illustration it drops in like at the outer edge of the cold plate by that one it drops in in the center they've told me the center so I think maybe the cross section is the inaccurate bit but either way in theory the water supposed to come down the middle somehow I think it drops in here and like hits the upper chamber and then flows over and then drops down this hole there's a hole in the cross-section in the middle so chamber one flows then falls down to the micro fins and then chamber two is the top part so you've got the electromagnet of and motor of the actual pump up top and then underneath it is where the impeller sits so that would be the obviously the spinning bit see yeah new pump design it's already on the aqua fusion so they have 120 to 240 here supposed to be on the lick tech to I think then the older coolers obviously don't have this as for the lik tech TR for the first one so we did that video disassembling ours and showing some some corrosion in it some gunk buildup stuff like that and the the issue was we thought potentially a like either a disintegration of the gasket or a corrosion or a lack of biocide or something like that we've heard a few theories about it we actually had one of you in our audience email us I think a son who who works at like a government agency or something an offer to send like over a dozen of these so we're gonna do some failure analysis when we get home but in first things first I guess if you have an issue with the tr4 cooler then animatics is replacing them for free under RMA and if they try to charge you shipping let us know and we'll find it for you but you're supposed to be able to get a free replacement which is good so they taking the right steps there the downside is that obviously there was a failure to begin with so we spoke to an engineer from another company who has a theory about it and we spoke with NR max the engineer from the other company think that thinks that there's a zinc contamination in the liquid that's being used to to sort of like I don't know to join with the coolant so to like distill it down or something so he that's his theory and it thinks that the zinc is is encountering a chemical reaction with the propylene glycol causing the contamination to build what enter max thinks is that the the vacuum seal for the original cooler was built for the smaller pumps and so it wasn't built for the larger TR for pump so with the tr4 to design that's supposed to be solved so if you have the issue on cr.42 let us know we'll look into it but it's supposed to be fixed so yeah that's that's the story so it's potentially a vacuum seal issue is what it comes down to but that'll walk us through the coolers the pump is the new thing it's a dual chamber design like I said coming out on these coolers on the table here and let's talk about the case is next and I guess there's a brief interjection there are some square fan so they're square a RGB or square GB I guess is the name so this square design there's a 200 as 120 there's 140 they've got blackouts over there I think there's a couple of white ones and then that's the new fan but let's go take a look at the cases and see what they have for ATX and micro ATX so the next there's a couple cases here there's this one which is a 80 X is another 80 X it's a micro ATX and we'll start with the IG 50 so this is the one that I mostly want to point out there's two different panels where there's a glass and then there's a mesh panel which is good I'm really glad that they showed this to me because Achtung vas mocks - so we've encountered two extreme overclockers today stepan z who stole the mic from me in the in one video and the headings here bauer and i guess i'll link him below he's just trying to get free links to his channel i think by a period in the videos anyway IG 50 so it's an ATX case supposed to be $110 quarter for for the launch target that's got to 200 millimeter fans pre-install in the front a RGB and then it has to 200 slots on the top not pre installs he had to buy those with a slot in the back for 120 or 140 and vertical GPU mount all that stuff it's a new tooling so this hasn't been used on previous animatics cases no fan on the power supply shroud but there are i think you could maybe mountain SSD there but no fan on it so obviously points of discussion let me throw this first this wasn't shuns me until I started making a lot of suggestions I guess is the best way you could phrase it but so this is a prototype it's a mesh panel what I need you to do is help me convince enter max that people prefer this over the glass option um so mesh panel that's got a dust filter on it it is a prototype I don't know if it's going to have like this case will have asked you that ships with it or not not sure I think it'll probably depend on the response like to this video and others but if it does then well you've got an H 500 piece scenario like the original one where it ships with a panel that's extremely restrictive to the point of being terrible to being actually pretty good for airflow so obviously you know the concern is you've got a couple holes up here it is a plastic panel you probably have like 5% exposure to air and then the fans are actually on the outside of the chassis instead of recessed so they're pressed all the way against the glass 200 millimeter fans are low static pressure they have a lot of trouble pulling air through something that's impeding them so anything with any kind of you know impedance or restriction to airflow it chokes it off a lot worse than like a 120 where it's got higher static pressure to overcome that kind of issue so anyway my complaint was obvious you know you've got glass panel 200 and it's it's literally the H 500 P all over again except even worse intake on the side so it was good to see that this is a potential option and I hope this is the one that they choose because you don't even have to retool the panel so that's the good thing is that the glass here it's not like it's too late the glass is just like maybe glued in or something I think it's glued it's pretty standard to do that looks like it's glued to the inner wall of the front plastic panel so in theory you can just not use the glass and then put in a mesh and stand they've already got the tooling for that so that's what I hope to see with IG 50 enter max does have a lot they can improve on with this case but it looks like they have the right idea so next one well I shouldn't say that it looks like they might have the right idea if they do this it's still expensive one hundred ten dollars and it'll be competing with like the original H 500 non P non M so H 500 from Coolermaster about a hundred dollars that's probably the primary competition that's a really good case so I kind of take that back I don't know that they do have the right idea but I hope I've given them the right idea because we talked a lot about this case and the improvements that could be made the marble I think you all likely know what I think of this front panel it's a problem so it's this is the MS 30 this is the MS 24 the fans it's got three 120 options the front one 120 in the rear actually I'll talk after this this booth will shoot a separate segment somewhere else and I'll talk more openly but yeah 120 s back no 140 support on the micro ATX or actually on the ATX micro ATX it doesn't have a lot of representation at the show so I've only seen one other micro ATX case this year and this is one of two so if you like micro ATX and you hate air then you could get this maybe there'll be a mass version who knows this one is supposed to be a $60 to the MS 3050 dollars to the ms-20 and there's to be white and black versions we have video both once 140 support and I think the 80 acts for the front and micro-atx also supports 140 in the front in the last case there's two more there's one behind me that's the excellence for Japan so enter max has gotten some awards in Japan I'm told and apparently they've decided to make an excellent model for Japan that's got a gold rap on it like a wall paper so there's a gold wallpaper on the equivalence is supposed to be a thousand dollar case up from about a hundred dollars you ask for the standard version it's a limited edition special one it's got squares that of gold that stick on the panel so it's like a gold foil and I'll leave that that one there but that's gonna be Japan only launched and I think limited the Flex crepe DC 30s on the other side of the wall here it's the same structure as the sf-36 and you know this one already that's supposed to be quarter three there might be system integrator customization on that and that would be like your cyber power I'm a power of the world people like that could customize the panel's they've done some samples of that looked kind of cool $70 Target for that through and twenties front ones 120 in the rear and two 140 s in the top and like I said quarter three for that one so that will cover the cases let's let's shoot the conclusion elsewhere okay so part of what we do at the shows is a lot of conversation with the manufacturers to say like you know look this is this is really disappointing to see I'm very sad to see that you've learned nothing from last year and we talked about like genuine concerns versus like like GaN being pedantic concerns I try to be realistic about it and there were some genuine concerns there a lot of them and I've had this conversation with NR max I think every year for like for PR people now that's how many they've gone through since we started having this conversation so I think it's time to just have the conversation on video so that people can see it and hopefully they feel a bit more pressure to improve because I think enter max yeah I want to see the companies improve and do good things and do things worth buying and I know max is a fairly large company it's not huge but big enough and they can improve but they're just they're they're not in a lot of ways they are in some ways very small but not in cases thus a brayer was a great case but the stuff here today was just not good and the marble one the SM one I didn't want to keep knocking everything right in front of them but they'll see the video anyway but I the marble one just like absolutely terrible airflow it's it's totally tone deaf to the market and you can still do a cool design without suffocating the case you can do a side and take if you had to you get to the top and take pre-installed if you had to you do bottom it there's a lot of stuff you could do and still have a closed out front but they're not doing it the next thing small stuff so all of the systems every one of them except for the 200 millimeter system the first one we talked about they all had the fans on the radiator in the front where exhaust the fan in the back was exhaust and the fans in the top were exhaust you know anyway so exhaust exhaust exhaust there was zero intake anywhere and this is like actually zero and so you're left with a negative pressure system with no holes anywhere so there's no way to even bring the area in so it's gonna find its way in through small cracks and side panels it's gonna find a way in through small holes in the bottom none of that will ever make it to the system and the thing is those are just demo system builds so it doesn't actually matter like you can build the computer your own way obviously when you get the case but the problem is as I was explaining to enter max is that it just makes it look like you have no idea what you're doing like you don't even look like you've ever built a system before so I asked you built the systems they said one of our engineers which is just extremely disappointing if that's true so anyway it's I guess it all comes together we're like some of these things don't matter because you're not gonna buy it like that some of them matter a lot because it's actually affecting the end product and what you buy so they all come together and it creates the appearance of a company that's completely tone-deaf to the industry oblivious to what they're doing has no idea how to even build a computer with a fan orientation properly and I'm sure some people at this company do of course but that presentation will has terrible so the cases have a lot of them from grew to the IG 50 as an example is the only one that's even remotely promising because there's a proto at mesh panel that was only shown to me after I asked for a case PM they brought them over and then I explained the issues for like ten minutes and then it was shown to me so an ER Mac seemed like they were listening I don't know if it's gonna go anywhere I hope maybe this video convinces people out like HQ higher up that there's a problem like NR max has a lot it needs to improve on and this show just made them look incompetent frankly so anyway very disappointed in the booth and I don't like doing negative show coverage because like a lot of the time stuff is prototypes and we're happy to see them but this stuff is like now three times running I think three shows where it's just been bad so the same rate was the last good thing they showed us so that's it for this one thanks for watching subscribe for more as always go to patreon.com/scishow sexist to help us out directly if you like this type of plate and Tom Steve and I did share it with them as well so they're aware we're stored on 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