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all right I guess I'll retest the 5820k then welcome back to harbor unbox today due to popular demand we're Reeb inch marking the core i7 5820k to see how it performs to more modern processes I managed to grab one of these online for what equates to about $200 us and that seems to be about the going price right now so just quickly a big thank you to all our patrons supporters who make it possible for us to buy hardware like this for testing purposes for those of you unaware the 5820k was first released back in August of 2014 for what was a rather reasonable $390 us at the time as the cheapest haswell-e processor at pax 6 cores and thanks to hyper-threading support often twelve threads by default it worked at a base frequency of 3.3 gigahertz but depending on the workload would boost as high as 3.6 ago hertz though admittedly that's a pretty mild increase in total at PAX 15 megabytes of l3 cache and one and a half megabytes of l2 cache and this was a significant increase over the main stream core i7 range although pin compatible with the previous generations ivy bridge-e and sandy bridge-e we've still got an upgraded socket LGA 2011 version 3 that said though the socket change was somewhat justified this time as the haswell-e processors saw the adoption of ddr4 memory on intel's high-end desktop platform as was the case with the previous generations quad-channel memory support remained and the official spec called for ddr4 2133 since the release of the 5820k we've seen these 6800 cade which checked the price up to four hundred and thirty four dollars u.s. and then of course last year we've got this 7800 ex which went back down to three hundred and ninety dollars us last year we also got the rise in five 1600 which is new been discounted to less than $200 us and then the eighth course sixteen threat r7 1700 which has also been recently discounted and now can be had for less than $300 us what this means is Intel's high-end desktop platform actually face some real competition in 2017 not something it's really ever seen as is often the case our testing will be focused on gaming but we do plan to look at this from two different perspectives firstly we want to show those of you that are currently using a 5820k if there's any advantage to upgrading to a more modern processor if you're mostly gaming is the 87 or EK worth jumping ship for or should your wait give them what we did recently see when testing the has wall base 4770k the answer at this point should be pretty clear and that is just to wait clock for clock at 4.8 gigahertz the 4770k was just 15 percent slower at 1080p using the medium quality type settings with the geforce gtx 1080i using the maximum quality preset reduce that margin adjust 10 percent and when increasing the GPU workload 1440p the margin was again reduced fair that's just 4% so that being the case I really don't expect to find much difference with the 5820k but still you guys seem to love benchmark results and well so do I so let's not let that little facts stop or shall we moving on the other goal is to provide second-hand shoppers with valuable information on whether the 5820k and an accompanying x99 motherboard are worth snapping up at around $200 u.s. the 5820k is an attractive option and supporting boards they seem to be selling for around 80 to $100 us for testing of paired the 5820k with quad channel ddr4 2666 memory that's actually the highest memory speed the processor would work with at least with the memory that I had available for testing then we have the 4770k and that was tested using ddr3 2400 memory and the 8700 K was tested with ddr4 3,200 memory before we jump into the gamey results I've included some Cinebench r15 scores along with some Corona benchmark results and some power consumption figures as well first up a quick look at everyone's favorite rendering benchmark Cinebench r15 here these stock 50 20 K scored six percent lower than that of the r5 1600 the rise in CPU also posted a better single thread result as well still overall they weren't drastically different then once I overclocked the 5820k hit thirteen hundred and five points and that placed a ton polity stocks every 100 X and I walking 21 percent behind the overclocked 8700 K so if you're wanting to increase your productivity performance the 8700 K will offer noticeable gains though you probably better off with a scalar X processor such as the 78 20x or perhaps even the horizon 7 CPU here's a look at the corona results and here we see at the 5820k is again only able to match the 700 X once overclocked that said though in this test it does pull well ahead of the risin 5 1600 and almost catches the r7 1700 still even overclocked the 5820k was 10% slower than the stock 87 ok and 24 percent slower once the 8th gen processor was overclocked lastly before jumping into the gaming results use a quick look at power consumption stock the 5820k consumes slightly more power than the 8700 K as well as the 12 core 24 thread thread ribbon 1920 X but also less than the 7800 X overclocked it sucked down these same 270 watts as the 5.2 gigahertz 87 and okay so not extreme but still at 4.6 gigahertz the 5820k starts to get quite power-hungry alright time for the games and kick starting things is ashes of the benchmark a favorite for testing CPU performance starting with the higher quality settings at 1080p using the gtx 1080i we see the 5820k is very respectable roughly matching the highly clocked of 7700 K that said it was up to 16 percent sold nearly 700 K overclocking did help close the gap and now it's really only the 1% low figure where the higher clocked 87 ok holds an advantage going crazy with the quality setting certainly closes the gap right up and now the overclocked 5820k is on par with the rest of the 8th gen core processors due to a heavy GPU bottleneck that said though the stock 1 percent low figure for the 5820k did drop down to just 69 FPS then at 1440p as expected the GPU bottleneck grows even more extreme and now even the stock 5820k doesn't really trail that far behind for the 1% low result Assassin's Creed origins is another very CPU demanding game but out of the box the 5820k does reasonably well despite being much slower than the 77 or okay and all of the 8th gen series processors that said though overclocking did boost the average frame rate by 16% and that's a nice gain right there this placed the overclocked 5820k almost on par with the core i5 8400 for the average frame rate that was still slower for the minimum frame rate increasing the quality preset to ultra-high closes down the margin and now the overclocked 5820k is just 7% slower than the fastest CPUs tested and comparing the minimum frame rate here we see that the margin remains pretty much the same even at 1440p and while the overclocked 5820k was able to match the overclocked 4770k and the 7700 k it did trail the 8700 k still overall strong performance from the aging six core CPU next up we have battlefield one and using the medium quality preset at 1080p really gives the GTX 1080 Ti room to breathe overclocking the 5820k boosted the average frame rate by 13% and this places on par with the stock 7700 K so a decent result and it meant that we saw a frame rates in excess of 120 FPS at all times now with the ultra preset enabled the overclocked 5820k is able to roughly match the core i5 86 under ok and it really only slips behind slightly for the 1% lower result then we see something quite interesting when moving to the 1440p resolution here the overclocked 5820k falls behind the 4770k and Core i5 8400 when comparing the average frame rate though the minimum is still very strong and here were just 10% slower than the overclocked 8700 K though admittedly were also quite GPU bound moving on we have some Call of Duty World War 2 action and here we see when using the normal quality settings that the 5820k does quite well even before it's overclocked then once we round up to 4.6 gigahertz it's able to match the core i5 8400 with an impressive average frame rate of 2 FPS and that's just 10% slower than the core i7 8700 k at 4.8 gigahertz interestingly the margin actually grows with the extra quality settings in play and now the overclocked 5820k is 14% slower than the overclocked 8700 k that said though that's certainly not a significant margin particularly given the 5820k is pushing well over 110 FPS at all times then at 1440p we only see a very slight reduction in performance is even here we seem to be more cpu than GPU limited the 5820k remains a little over 10% slower than the 8700 k and here we do see a 13% margin the second last game we're going to be looking at is project cows - and here we are again starting with the medium quality settings it's area P here we do find something rather unexpected the overclocked 5820k is able to max out the gtx 1080i and therefore match the overclocked 87 or okay this is interesting because as you're about to see in a moment the ultra quality settings seem to our impact cpu performance so let's have a look at that so as you can see here with the ultra quality settings enabled at 1080p the overclocked 5820k drops right down and in fact isn't much faster than its stock out of the box configuration the overclocked 87 or okay though that remains strong in heavy 5820k was 16% slower then finally at 1440p were now heavily GPU limited and as a result all test configurations come together with very little variation between the CPUs the last game tested is Rainbow six siege and here we see a nice 18 percent performance boost for the 5820k once overclocked this meant using the medium quality settings it was twelve percent slower than the overclocked 87 okay and with well over 180 FPS at all times that's clearly a very good result for the older six core Intel CPU now with the ultra quality settings the gtx 1080i starts to limit performance of the overclocked 37 or ok and as a result the 5820k is now just nine percent slower again we only saw a frame dips to 150 FPS so an extremely smooth experience can be had with the 5820k in this title then as we often find at 1440p even with an extreme GPU we're still mostly limited by the graphics card and here the 5820k is just 5% slower nearly 700 K so if you're playing at the 1440p resolution or greater you're not really going to notice a difference right so if you're still rocking a core i7 5820k do you need to upgrade well in short no that's pretty much we set at the start of the video based on testing recently done so for those of you that follow the channel closely that won't be much of a shocker for gaming the gains simply aren't there but we will take a closer look at an average across all the games tested in a moment to get a really clear picture of what's going on there but let's move away from gaming just for a moment and talk about productivity workloads so if you've overclocked your 5820k through the max and you still find that it's not getting the job done quick enough then yes an upgrade can certainly help reduce workload times for these productivity type workloads the overclocked 87 or okay well it's 20 to 30 percent faster so whether that's worth buying a new CPU motherboard and potentially higher clock ddr4 memory well that'll be for you to decide the Rison 7 1700 is also $100 cheaper than the 87 are ok and for mostly productivity workloads it is as fast or faster with both CPUs overclocked that said there are certainly applications that still favor the Intel CPU so be aware of that and make sure you research how they CPUs compare in the applications that you'll be using if gaming is the focus and application performance is more of a secondary demand then right now Intel is the best option at least for flat out gaming performance of the latest and greatest GPUs here's a look at the average performance seen across the six games tested the 5820k was just 10% slower in that scene we're using an extreme GPU with Mal quality settings that's certainly not a big margin and I can't imagine anyone would ditch their 5820k for that kind of game under slightly more realistic conditions we see just a 6 percent decline in performance when using the 5820k a poche 7 ok and you can expect that margin to at least half again when going to 4k if not evaporate entirely so it's not worth upgrading it from the 5820k derp anything newer for gaming of that much we've pretty well established now productivity is a little more tricky but that really comes down to how much money you're willing to invest to reduce downtime and by going for something like Daddy 700 K you can reduce it by twenty to thirty percent but it is quite a large cost to get that twenty or thirty percent and because of that I really feel if you are going to upgrade for productivity reasons and say you really are best off with eight or more cause to receive any sort of noteworthy upgrade it really is a complicated buying decision and while some people like to try and simplify it with I suppose their own personal bias by saying Intel is better or AMD is better the truth really is far more complex than that anyway let's not get bogged down and all that we'll just move right along to second-hand shoppers what should they do well to answer this one we're going to have to assume a few things here but we're going to do so while remaining within the realm of realism by this I mean we're going to assume that the typical asking price for a core i7 5820k and x99 motherboard combo is between 250 and 300 dollars us and not quote some absurdly low price you're likely never going to find I'm not going to worry about ddr4 memory because that's gonna be mandatory for any of these upgrades whether that be a secondhand 5820k or a new hn core processor or perhaps even a rise in cpu considering the 87 RK plus a basic z3 70 board will set you back 500 dollars that makes the 5820k option at least 40% cheaper it's a big saving right there especially given the performance difference for gamers is well negligible of course secondhand Hardware comes with obvious drawbacks such as a lack of a warranty for example still 40% is a massive saving another alternative would be the risin 7 1700 which when coupled with a decent be 350 board that can support a 4 gigahertz overclock should the CPU be good for that that'll cost just 360 dollars that means you'd be saving at most $100 when going for the second-hand option and realistically it's probably going to be less than that and while gaming your performance will be as good or potentially even better with the 5820k many productivity workloads will be boosted with the horizon 7 CPU you also get a warranty with brand-new parts so that's certainly well worth mentioning so for those reasons I think I would shy away from the second-hand market for this kind of purchase additionally there's also these security issues that come with the older Intel hardware and we're not 100% sure when CPUs such as the 5820k or receive the required BIOS update or perhaps rather I should say these supporting x99 motherboards will receive BIOS updates I believe companies such as MSI did just roll out BIOS updates that do address the x99 motherboards so that may not be an issue you may be able to mitigate those security issues with that BIOS update but remember doing so will come and around a three to five percent performance in games so definitely something worth noting in short if you're a gamer and you already have a 5820k well just keep it for now if you're looking to buy one secondhand then I suggest getting something cheaper like a Haswell core i7 4770k or a 4790k unless you're getting the 5820k with motherboard front of $250 US I really don't think I'd bother there's also a md's recent rise and price cuts that are worth taking into account because they make products such as the r5 1600 or the r7 1700 mighty tempting but even then it might pay to hold out for a few more months and see what the rise and refresh brings and well that might either knock down the prices of the processes we currently have further or there might be some better options available for people looking at building new systems anyway let's go do it for this one please hit the like button if you enjoyed the video consider supporting us directly on patreon if you appreciate the work we do and most of all just thank you for watching I'm your host Steve see you again next time you