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welcome back to harbor box for the biggest GPU benchmark session in the channels history so big in fact for the first time I was actually starting a rep taking on the challenge anyway after about a week's worth of testing I've made it and we now have a heap of data to look at but before we do that I would like to just quickly touch on a few things so almost two weeks ago now AMD's knew a Radeon rx Vega series launched and it's been smooth sailing ever since yeah so that's not actually true is it before Vega was even released we had a pretty good idea that performance was likely going to be lackluster at least if you're expecting AMD to make a step forward on the step in video made 12 months prior that step will see NVIDIA come under pressure and consequently reduce prices so we saw in last week's video that Vega 56 it's really only just a smidgen faster than the GTX 1070 and that's for roughly the same amount of money or is it we'll talk more about pricing at the end of the video don't really have time for all that drama just yet Vega 56 it also consumed quite a bit more power than the gtx 1070 so despite looking quite impressive and at least half a dozen of the 25 games originally tested I felt it was still going to be a bit of a tough sell let's just put it that way well I haven't given Vega 56 a pretty good workout I was yet to receive Vega 64 and in fact I only got my sample on Monday at which point I quite literally dropped everything and began testing and I've been doing that pretty much ever since the results though are now in and we have 32 games on deck I had planned to add another 5 games over the original 25 that had already tested the week prior and I took to Twitter to see which games you guys wanted to see included in the end though with so many requests I felt like I had to add an additional seven games to try and keep everyone happy so yeah we now have 32 games in total I hope you're happy anyway with such an insane amount of games tested I've ditched the TDP and 4k results from the video they have been included in the rig over at Tech spot.com so if you want those I'll include the link in the video description updated from the previous video I've now out of the geforce gtx 1070 and GT x 1080 found edition graphics cards and they will be compared alongside the custom board partner cards from msi there really isn't much difference but since a vocal minority had a lot to say about it last time again I've attempted to please everyone this time anyway as was the case last time I'll be using the core i7 7700 K test system clocked at 4.9 gigahertz but still plan to do very extensive testing with Vega and the GeForce 10 series on Verizon at a later date okay enough messing about we have work to do getting things going we have ashes of the singularity or aka ashes of the benchmark and for this title aim DS new Vega series perform quite well NVIDIA has put a heap of time and effort into developing their drivers low to make up for the GeForce 10s lackluster dx12 performance and we're certainly seeing that payoff here the gtx 1070 roughly matched Vega 56 while the GTX eternity matched both versions of Vega 64 so overall a mild result here for AMD Assassin's Creed syndicate has been brought back for this video due to popular demand as quite a few of you did request it including Tim not sure if he's a fan of the game or what was going on there but here Tim wanted to see Assassin's Creed syndicate added to this big benchmark video so here it is unfortunately though this is a very poor title for AMD and even the air-cooled Vega 64 card falls behind the gtx 1070 not a great effort in our second title tested but aim they have another 30 titles to put on a better show well that didn't take long right into Battlefield one and already we're seeing much more competitive performance from Vega something worth noting though is how poorly the air-cooled Vega 64 card does in this title only just managing to edge out Vega 56 the liquid-cooled version is much more impressive managing an average of 122 fps making it a good bit faster than even the custom GT X 1080 Civilization 6 is another heavily requested title and I had ditched this one previously for my day 1 Vega coverage and the reason why you can pretty much see here it's really a bad game to test GPU performance it's a great game to test CPU performance but you can see here even with a heavily overclocked core i7 77 at K we are mostly finding the limits of the cpu still with 31 other games in the comparison this GPU limited title won't skew the results so I'm happy enough to include it day six mankind Nevada is another DirectX 12 title but this one is far more GPU bound and as luck would have it Vega does very well here this is of course an AMD sponsored title but even so it does show how well Vega can perform when optimized for here Vega 56 comes a-knockin at the gtx 280s door just letting it know there's no more than a few frames in it meanwhile the air-cooled Vega 64 model pulls ahead of the MSI GTX 1080 gaming x 8g while the liquid-cooled version pulls even further ahead dirt fall left me very confused after my initial vega 56 review but I've since been able to confirm these results value also does very well using two x MSAA and even four x MSAA but tanks with eight x msaa though when i say tanks i mean it drops down to the same level of the competing nvidia cards anyway using CMAA the vega cards absolutely trashed the geforce 10 series and what is a completely baffling result I've asked AMD about the various performance anomalies in this title with Vega I'm yet to hear anything back moving on from the rather spectacular dirt 4 numbers we find some rather underwhelming performance in Dishonored 2 this title really has never been that kind to AMD so I'm sure no one was expecting anything overly impressive here still seeing Vega 64 err called only match the gtx 1070 found Edition was certainly disappointing to say the least the liquid-cooled version also trailed the GTX 1080 efi card as well doom is a title where we always expect AMD to do well I mean check out the RX 580 beating the GTX 1060 by 18 percent margin in the case of Vega though it's actually a lot less impressive Vega 56 is just 10 percent faster than the gtx 1070 fe while vega 64 err cord is only able to match MSI's gaming X 1080 so while strong performance overall it's still not quite as impressive as you might expect in this title despite Vega 56 racing ahead of the GTX 1017 f1 2016 the air-cooled Vega 64 model was most unimpressive only tacking on a few extra frames the liquid-cooled version was much more impressive and did manage to pull ahead of the factory overclocked GT X 1080 from MSI overall solid performance from Vega here with the exception of the air called 64 model interestingly when testing with Far Cry primal we see almost no difference between Vegas 64 air-cooled and Vega 56 for that reason the liquid cooled version was 16% faster but even so only managed to match the MSI GTX 1080 gaming X given how well the RX 580 does in comparison to the GTX 1060 notarial you have to think there's some driver work that needs to be done here performance in front air is OK Vega 56 roughly matches the gtx 1070 Vega 64 though is a less impressive as the air cooled model trails the GTX 280 Fe while it takes the more expensive liquid cooled version to match the MSI GTX 1080 Vega though is more appealing if you focus on the 1% lows for this title that's it either way the liquid cooled Edition is much closer to the GTX 1080 than it is the 1080 TI Vega 56 does manage to match the GTX 1070 Fe card in Ghost Recon wildlands though again we see that vega 64 really isn't that much faster the liquid cooled version did average 71 FPS though this only puts it on par with the GT X 1080 founders Edition and a few frames behind the MSI GTX eternity gaming X I once said that the horizon 5 1600 was better value than the 7700 K for gaming last year I picked the GTX 1060 over the RX 480 and yet neither of those things suit up the comments-section nearly as much as dropping grand theft auto 5 from the battery of games we test with ok so that might be a slight exaggeration but anyway you guys weren't happy so it's back that said though Vega is less than impressed with that decision as even Vegas 64 liquid-cooled loses out to the gtx 1070 founders edition ouch Hal we're seeing gtx 1060 lat performance in this one hopefully a driver update can improve performance though I'm not sure how keen AMD will be to go back and optimize such an old title even if it is incredibly popular he'll blades back for another round of benchmarks previously Vega 56 trailed the gtx 1070 fe in this title and of course things change between that review and this one once again we find the air-cooled version of Vega 64 isn't able to pull away from Vega 56 the liquid-cooled version does a much better job though it could only match the GTX 1080 founders Edition moving on Vega 56 matched the gtx 1070 when testing with hitman but it again took the liquid cooled version of vega 64 to match the gtx 10a founders edition card and this is in a DirectX 12 title no less one sponsored by AMD so this is another disappointing result Mass Effect Andromeda shows us what we've seen a number of times already Vega 56 is roughly on power of the GTX 770 while Vega 64 needs to be liquid cooled to catch up or at least come close to catching the GTX 1080 another very average result for AMD here moving on we have Mirror's Edge catalyst and for this one Vega looks quite competitive the air-cooled Vega 64 model is still quite underwhelming but I was impressed but the liquid cool version pulled out this time Vega 56 also does a good job against the gtx 1070 next that we have overwatch and this generally favors the green team and again we see that here when comparing Vega to the GeForce 10 series Vega 64 struggles to match the gtx 1070 in this title and even the liquid cool version drops to the same 1% lows I mean we are seeing well over 100 FPS at all times but Vegas 64 pales in comparison to the GTX 1080 unfortunately right now Vega really sucks big time for player unknowns battlegrounds and while I'm sure many of you will know that argue this game shouldn't be included as it is an early access title I obviously disagree in fact I do believe most of you actually do agree with me because I think I'm agreeing with most of you because I did have a massive absolutely massive amount of requests to have this game included in the Vega benchmarking the game might only be an early access title but it's massively popular right now and it's a game aimed as surely need to optimize for as soon as possible please note that on the final day of editing this video aimday released driver version 17 point 8.2 which claims to have addressed the performance issues in player unknowns battlegrounds by improving Vega 64 by up to 18% this sounded great so I hit the pause button on the editing and was prepared to delay the video while updated those results sadly however this new driver didn't change performance for Vegas 64 at all for me so some further testing will be required I did of course run ddu to remove the old drivers and Safe Mode but after two tries I wasn't able to extract any more performance in this title with the new 17 point 8.2 driver I'll let you guys know if anything changes in the future looking at the average framerate performance in prey we see the Vega is very competitive with the competing GeForce ten series graphics cards that said the 1% low results will always noticeably lower so I'm not sure if this is yet again another suspected driver issue or perhaps something else I shouldn't know that the air-cooled Vegas 64 model was pretty underwhelming while the liquid-cooled version was decent AMD recently released a crimson re-live 17 point 8.1 driver to improve performance in quake champions and this is the driver I used for all the Vega testing please note the performance of the fury X and rx 580 went unchanged with this driver I sawed between a six to eight percent performance boost for the Vega GPUs in this title and that was enough to push Vega 56 ahead of the GT X 1080 while the liquid-cooled Vega 64 card wasn't much slower than the GTX 1080 Ti so very impressive stuff in this title albeit again this is a sponsored title by AMD but still impressive stuff all the same Vega cannot to play once again this time in Rainbow six siege as Vega 56 was 12% fast in the msi gtx 1070 gaming ex we even see a rare quality showing from vega 64 as the air-cooled model x out i'll win over the msi gtx 1080 gaming ex so that's great to see the liquid cooled model also pushes further ahead but still lags behind the gtx 1080i by a 15% margin here we see yet again that in select titles Vega can really turn up the heat on the GeForce 10 series this time we're testing with Resident Evil 7 biohazard we see that Vega 56 is able to beat the gtx 1070 by a decent margin though the air-cooled Vega 64 card does struggle against the GTX 1080 at least the MSA doming X version Vega 56 also makes out well in rise of the Tomb Raider though through here called Vega 64 model was once again far less impressive once liquid cooled though the results aren't bad and we see the same 1% low performance to that of the MSI X 1080 gaming X Middle Earth shadow of Mordor is an oldie but a goodie we're testing with 32 games after all so why not throw this one into the heap as luck would have it Vega is also quite competitive in this title Vega 56 beats the gtx 1070 hands down and the liquid-cooled version of AG f 64 takes out the MSI GTX 1080 gaming X of course it does cost a lot more but I think there's probably still hope for the custom board partner models Sniper Elite 4 isn't a game that I've tested with before but quite a few of you have requested it and it's a modern DirectX 12 title so I thought why not this is an AMD sponsored title so it's probably not gonna be surprising they say that Vega does do well here even the air-cooled Vega 64 model has pulled up at socks and looks respectable for this one meanwhile vega 56 is once again the star of the show and beats out the factory overclocked gtx 1070 without much trouble The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt is another title that's getting on now and this one gives us some mixed results vega 56 looks very good as it beats out even the msi gtx 1070 gaming X however air-cooled vega 64 fall short of the gtx 1080 and it takes the liquid cool model before vega racing at GT x 1080 like performance but titanfall 2 results are very competitive as we see Vega 56 match the gtx 1070 the air-cooled version of vega 64 though can't quite catch the gtx tane while the liquid cool version though does get the job done albeit at a questionable price premium Tom Clancy's the division was tested using DirectX 12 and here we see vega 64 trouncing the msi gtx 1070 gaming X in a true display of pixel dominance even vega 64 does well yeah the flippin head cooled version actually beats the GTX 280 by a handy margin and this means the liquid cooled model is hot on the heels of the GTX 280 Ti testing total world Warhammer usually plays into aim these hands and we certainly see that here vega 56 is nipping at the 1080s heels while vega 64 the air-cooled model outpaces the GTX 1080 then we have the liquid cooled card on the hunt for the GTX 10 atti though it's not quite quick enough off the market ultimately gets left behind when testing vega 56 previously I was shocked by how strong this GPU was in dawn of war 3 since then other media outlets have confirmed exceptional performance for vaguer in this title so I'm very confident in the results if only every game looked like this aim D would be laughing anyway Vega 56 sticks it to the GTX today while Vega 64 pulls even further ahead the liquid cooled edition gets within spitting distance of the GTX 10 ATT I get it it's liquid nevermind moving on watchdogs too hates AMD doesn't matter if it's rising CPUs or Vega GPS does not like AMD one bit here we see the gtx 1070 found Edition model giving not just Vega 56 a hard time but also Vega 64 liquid cooling Vega 64 pushes it ahead but only just just ahead of the gtx 1070 that is performance and pricing aside this is by far vagus biggest turtle power consumption in all honesty performance isn't that bad and I might even improve quite a bit over time moreover once pricing settles down I'm sure everything will be ok on that front as well what won't change though is power consumption yes you can under volt and I'll be looking into that in a future video but for now this is what most Fager owners will be faced with Vega 56 despite being a bit more power-hungry in the GT X 1080 it's really not that bad Vega 64 on the other hand though is a serious power Pig the air-cooled version makes the already power-hungry GTX 10 ATT I look like it's dieting I mean while the liquid cooled model is gorging itself like a fat guy an all-you-can-eat buffet seriously they're pushing total system consumption 24% higher than that of the GTX 1080i for an average of 18 percent less performance is a real issue not everyone cares as much as I do about power consumption but regardless of your opinion it does come in a cost and I don't mean a few extra dollars on the power bill Vega in its current reference card form is loud and hot it's an angry graphics cart and it takes that rage out on your power supply anyway that's enough on power for now let's move on and try and wrap all this up okay so there's the 32 games tested I kind of you just breezed through them and didn't go into the usual margins and talk too much about percentages like I often do I didn't want to risk boring some viewers with just percentage after percentage after percentage was a lot of games tested so rather than do that I'm gonna hit you with all the percentages now in one quick go we're gonna look at each game on a per game basis and a single graph but be warned there are four comparisons made here in total so that gives us a hundred and twenty eight individual data points so get your reading glasses sorted and let's get into it previously we found Vega 56 to be 2% fast msi gtx 1070 gamex on average across 25 games I've since downgraded slightly to the gtx 1070 found edition which is only a few percent slower and i've also removed crysis 3 as there had a few issues with vega and i've replaced it with eight other games so this has changed the margins slightly and now vega 56 is 5% faster though only about three percent faster than the msi model anyway as you can see the big wins for AMD here are again dirt four and Dawn of War three AMD does do well in many of the newly-released titles particularly those using modern api's so that's well worth noting still there is troubling performance in massively and I do mean massively popular titles such as Grand Theft Auto 5 and player unknowns battlegrounds this is an issue for AMD and they really need to work on this I can probably turn the other way for games such as Assassin's Creed and dishonored though anyway overall a strong showing for Vega 56 and once pricing settles down we get some custom board partner models I think it will be a worthy alternative to the gtx 1070 moving on we have a much less exciting comparison to make the air-cooled vega 64 model which if i'm honest was a bit of a stinker overall it was 5 percent slower than the gtx 1080 founders edition and of course it runs much hotter ladder and sucks down more power than a skyler hicks processor on steroids not much else really needs to be said here the reference card just ain't cutting it i do feel like the board partner models will be significantly better especially for the Vegas 64 model but that'll be a story for another day liquid cooling Vegas 64 and allow me to hit those higher clock speeds while avoiding throttling really helps this complex GPU the liquid cooled version was 4% fast in the GT X 1080 found edition overall but in 10 of the games tested it was faster by 10% margin or greater of course the liquid cooled Edition is priced $100 above the GTX 280 when looking at the standalone MSRP so in terms of price versus performance it's not how should we put it hot then when compared to the GTX 1080i the horas extreme version I used Vegas 64 liquid coolers 18 percent slower and once pricing corrects it should only be 14% cheaper so another sketchy result for Vega okay so I think we've just established a pretty good baseline of Vegas gaming performance I'd say most other reviewers pretty much concluded or agree by saying that Vega 56 is slightly fast in the gtx 1070 and vega 64 is slightly slower than the gtx 1080 while the liquid cooled version probably wins more than it loses but it does struggle massively against the gtx 1080 TI that's pretty much the situation from an FPS standpoint in a nutshell we didn't really need to test 32 games to come to that conclusion but i found it interesting to see where Vega did well and not so well it was also really interesting to see which games the air-cooled Vega 64 model offered good gains over vega 56 and which games saw very little separation between these two GPUs it was also interesting to see some games where vega 64 dominated the geforce gtx 1080 and wasn't that far behind the 1080 TI so there is some hope for Vega yet speaking of which if we put power consumption pricing and even the performance aside for a moment I do believe that one of aigis biggest issues is AMD zone reference design this is of course yet to be proven but if history has shown us anything it's that AMD's reference cards suck and they rub their own products of performance obviously not something you want to do with your reference designer that said the liquid cooled model might very well be a best-case scenario for Vega and that's kind of a good thing if board partners can adequately cool bagger sixty-four using air coolers then we might see significant improvements in performance for that model there's also room for improvement with Vega 56 and I can easily see that model beating the GTX 1070 by a comfortable tempo set margin while remaining cool and quiet then we have the issue of pricing or rather than massively blown up controversy that's now the leading news topics surrounding Vega and yet at model being nothing more than a typical supply and demand issue the reason I ended up pulling down my Vega pricing video because I realized I couldn't really prove what was going on here one way or the other and therefore I was kind of being a hypocrite calling it a fake news story and in the end I wasn't really even sure if the issue was worth discussing at least just yet I mean Vega was only released a few days prior before all this started I was happy with most of what I said in that video but at the risk of just adding to all the misinformation out there already I pulled it down until we have something more concrete to report on I think I'll just hold fire still my opinion the matter hasn't really changed we're mostly looking at a supply and demand issue here and that probably shouldn't really surprise anyone this was always going to happen even more so with cryptocurrency mining the way it is right now if aim DS still pushing this premium pack nonsense in a few weeks time or especially in a month's time from now then you lose your minds and go completely ape until then I suggest chilling out and realize that this is probably just a supply and demand situation much like what we've seen in the past with graphics cards such as the rx 580 rx 480 and even the GTX 1060 I'm confident that once we see the board partner cards arrive later next month we will see Vega 56 and the 64 models hitting the standalone MSRP that said though if there is still a serious supply and demand issue due to minors or whatnot then you know that might not be the case on a final note I spoke with PC case gear about this a few days ago now and they were really really helpful in short they said their first shipment included more non bundled cards than all other SKUs combined and it wasn't a small amount of cards either as expected they sold like hotcakes they do have a second shipment coming in before the end of the month and they will possibly allocate all of it as non bundled models they also explained what we already know there is a huge shortage and a nd stuck between a rock and a hard place when it comes to trying to get Vega to gamers rather miners while keeping the price realistic as I said previously the rx 4 ad was still selling for 40% over the MSRP two months after release and mining wasn't even booming them well I'm sure many weren't happy that's just how it goes these days with many of these big popular GPU releases there's a lot of PC gamers now and of course we have to contend with cryptocurrency miners anyway as usual I do recommend you guys avoid the reference cards sit tight and wait for the much better custom cards and give supply a chance to catch up with the demand before going all berserk over hi professors over all still not a hundred percent sure how I feel about Vega there are some promising signs that it could be competitive or that it can be competitive but yeah I'll reserve my ultimate judgment - we have a few custom Bullitt partner cards in hand I hope you guys enjoyed this big vague of benchmark session it was a massive undertaking but I am glad I invested the time if you enjoyed this video please take a moment to give it a like and drop a comment below and let us know what your thoughts are also next week on that channel I have a really big announcement to make regarding an exciting new series so please keep an eye out for that I'm your host Steve see you again next time guys you