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welcome back to harbor unbox this is the one people the one where I can finally show you the rising benchmarks now if you haven't already skipped ahead just give me a moment to go over a few things before we jump to the good stuff as I mentioned earlier in the week may rise and testing hasn't exactly gone to plan and even now I'm not a hundred percent confident everything's functioning as it should be I either got a bad board initially the board that I was using the Isuzu crosshair it kept breaking SMT support definitely wasn't boosting correctly and I had a lot of trouble with memory compatibility as well in short I wasted most of the time I had for testing the first three days I was just trying to work out bugs and troubleshoot the board and any results I did gather during that time I ultimately thrown out because they were inaccurate during that time I learned that in order to extract the most performance out of rice and the windows power profile needs to be changed from the default balance profile to the high performance profile doing so ensures that the sense mi appeal power and precision boost technologies have the ability to respond to varying workloads as quickly as one millisecond the balance profile permits the operating system to request which P state to use which typically takes up to 30 milliseconds selecting high-performance completely hands control over from the operating system to the processor allowing for better control I found this led to at least a 5% boost in performance and at time the gains as much as 15% were seen so it's important users are aware of this and make the change of course with a brand new platform with a radically new CPU architecture some teething issues are bound to pop up for the most part it seems like I was a bit unlucky and wound up with a motherboard that was a bit of a lemon for testing I ended up using the as rock X 370 Taichi the board works great though it will probably require a BIOS update or two before it's perfect I didn't find any memory that would boot successfully using the XMP profile and since this is an Intel feature I'm not even sure why it's here hopefully we'll see AMD a MP maker come back finally I'm still not convinced on any other motherboards I have the rising processors are boosting correctly so keep that in mind as a side note for the Intel CPUs I made sure that any auto overclocking features such as the can score option which sees all caused boosters the maximum turbo frequency under load were disabled right so I'm not going to talk about risings architecture its features or any of that kind of stuff here I know most of you simply don't care at this point and just want to see the benchmark results if you are interested though check the links for the written version over at text comm for testing the Titan XP was used to handle any rendering work but before we get to the games I'll quickly look at some synthetic benchmarks and application tests okay well we might as well start here the Cinebench r15 results this is where the fun began for me so it quickly became somewhat frustrating the multi-threaded score of 1624 points for The Horizon 7 1800 X is incredible AMD advertised 1601 points so we're well on track here then however AMD stress that the single thread performance has to be hitting at least 160 points or the CPU isn't boosting correctly well I tried three different motherboards while testing and the best result I got was 154 points on the asrock X 370 Taichi the ad-rock and Giga Byte boards went as low as 148 points in this test so going forward I'm down around 5% and what AMD claims the single thread performance should be at for those of you wondering from the most part my 1,800 X chip was clocked at just 3.7 gigahertz for this test but on occasion briefly jumped up as high as four point one gigahertz AMD tells me it should be pegged at 1.4 gigahertz the whole time so there's definitely some sort of issue here temperatures didn't seem to be the issue as the chip only around at just over 50 degrees when all cores are active aimday also tells me that other reviewers have reached and even exceeded 160 points that said I know others who haven't so I'm hoping a future BIOS update can solve the issue the 1700 X also looked mighty impressive and looking at the multi-threaded performance scoring 1529 points the single thread score came in at 143 points and that's not bad that places it just ahead of the core i7 59 60 X and just behind the 6800 K this is also similar to the single threaded performance of the ivory bridge 3770k for example so to recap amazing multi thread performance with reasonable single thread results it will be interesting to see how much this impacts real-world testing before we do that oh let's just check out the memory bandwidth performance as an area where the FX series showed a real weakness unfortunately I was only able to get my setup stable with ddr4 2666 memory and even that was a bit of a pain to get working again the XMP profiles for all the memory I tried have failed so we had to do things the old-fashioned way and manually set the timings which isn't really a big deal I was briefly able to get the system up and running with ddr4 3000 memory and ran a memory test and sawed 32 gigabytes per second which is on par with scale ik and KB leak but unfortunately for the rest of the benchmarks the system just wasn't stable anyway using ddr4 2666 memory both rise and process has turned out 29 gigabytes per second which is reasonable hopefully before too long memory compatibility and support will improve on these boards but for now this is the best I was able to do the last synthetic benchmark that I had time to look at was PC marks creative test here the 1800 X produced a very respectable eight thousand eight hundred and two points and while that is lower than the 6700 K and seventy seven are okay processes it did outpace the 59 60 X and sixty eight hundred K processors the 1700 X was six percent slower and that did drop it down alongside the 6800 K and 6600 K processors still overall decent results for their eyes and processes though admittedly it's hard for me to gauge overall performance from this test so let's move on the monte carlo simulation is an old favorite and this heavy excel workload crushers weak CPUs the old FX 83-70 for example took five seconds to complete the workload and incredibly this means rising is more than twice as fast here the 1700 X beat the 59 60 X by reasonable margin taking just two point two seven seconds granted 300 milliseconds isn't a lot but it does mean at the AMD processor was 13% faster the 1800 X of course was faster again taking just two point one three seconds the fastest desktop processor which is also by far the most expensive the core i7 69 50 X is that were to completely test in just 1.7 seconds still the 1800 X is mighty impressive the 7-zip dictionary test sees the 1800 X and 59 60 X go head-to-head and the result a dead heat meanwhile the 1700 X had no trouble out muscling the six core 12 threads 6000 okay in this test so another great showing for AMD's new 8 core Rison processes those of you who spend a good deal of timing encoding videos in programs such as Premiere Pro like me will love what Rison has to offer granted premier is still generally best handled by something like the semi semi okay overclocked to the max but here we see the 1800 ex delivering a truly impressive result completing the workload in five hundred 85 seconds made at a whisker fast in the 59 60 X and 9 percent faster than the 7700 K but 1,700 X was also impressive taking just 618 seconds these really are truly impressive results unfortunately though due to the technical difficulties that hindered my benchmarking progress these are all the application tests I was able to conduct in time for today's release next up I have four games to check out having seen such impressive productivity performance I had high hopes for Eisen when it came to gaming and while the results are interesting please note that the gaming graphs are arranged by the minimum frame rate and the Titan XP was used for testing at 1080p to reduce the GPU bottleneck so with slower GPUs or more demanding quality settings the results will even up and the CPUs lag behind in these tests will of course look more competitive anyway as expected Rosen does indeed trail the skylake and cable 8 processors when it comes to gaming performance though the margin is an extremely significant at least in battlefield 1 the 1800 X looks great for the minimum frame rate though you can't help but notice the lower than expected average frame rate looking at the average frame rate the 1800 X is on par with the Ivy Bridge 3770k not a bad result by any means and its world's better than the old FX 83-70 still we are seeing that when rise and 7 isn't fully utilized it's slightly weaker IPC performance can be seen meanwhile the 1700 X matches the minimum frame rate of the 59 60 X though the average frame rate was only similar to the Sandy Bridge 2600 K coming from the reasonably good battle 2:1 performance I was pretty disappointed with the results seen when testing with Gears of War 4 here the 1800 X struggled to keep pace with the Ivy Bridge 3770k while the 1700 X was again similar to the 2600 ok not a terrible result and the minimum frame rate was still decent still this is an early indication that game is rocking high refresh rate monitors will probably want to stick with a core i7 processor the overwatch bot test is very demanding and in the past we've seen chloride five processes struggle to keep up with the hyper-threading enabled core i7s so where does Rison fit in well right in the middle when looking at the minimum frame rate again the average frame rates aren't that impressive as the Rison process is obviously unallowable same height still the performance was a massive step up from the FX 83-70 and the minimums were a good bit higher than those Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge core i7 processors the last game that I had timer test was watchdogs - and this was an important title to include I felt here CPU utilization hovered between 70 and 80 percent on the horizon processes what's more is the loading was even across all 16 threads yet despite that it didn't put away the eight threaded core i7 processors like these 59 60 X did in fact they were a good bit slower here at least when compared to the 6800 K 6700 K and 7700 K they did manage to outperform that as well and Ivy Bridge core i7 and of course all the core i5 processors so again not a bad result here but I honestly did expect to see better results in a game that can load up to 16 threads quite heavily right so time to overclock I squeezed all this in the last minute and having spoken with a few other reviewers I feel like I've been able to get the most out of these processors AMD suggests that 4.2 gigahertz with the 1800 X should be possible at an incredible 1.45 volts that said though they don't recommend this voltage for daily use as it will reduce the lifespan of the processor they suggest 1.3 5 volts for daily driving but didn't mention the clock speed you should be able to achieve at that voltage anyway my 1,800 X wasn't stable at 4.2 gigahertz using one point 4 or 5 volts instead 4 point 1 gigahertz was the limit and I could leave the voltage on auto here the motherboard appeared to be boosting the voltage to around 1 point 3 5 volts when under load the 1700 X unfortunately didn't make the 1.4 gigahertz at the 1800 X did and was instead limited to three point nine five megahertz speaking with Brian over at tech city for the past few days he also found three point nine five gigahertz to be the limit for his 1700 X chip and he spent quite a bit more time than I did trying to push it further so I'm confident this is the end of the road at least one air-cooled most of the overclocking was done at the BIOS level however AMD does have a very cool utility on offer called AMD rise and master this windows-based overclocking software tool works extremely well and it's easy for novice users to play around with adjust in the clock multiplier for all the cause or individual cause can be done quickly on the fly while changing memory settings or disabling calls will require a reset the overclock push the 1800 X to a multi-threaded score of 1701 point which is an impressive score though this is only a mild 5 percent performance bump which is less than what I should have received given the clock speeds a score of more like 1800 points would have been in line with what I was expecting finally the 1700 X enjoyed a 10% performance boost with a score of 1687 points here we see that the 7-zip performance of the 1800 X has been increased by 6% while the 1700 X found additional 9% performance that puts the overclock 1700 X ahead of the stock 1800 X and as you might have expected well ahead of the 4.9 gigahertz 7700 K all you Excel buffs watching a going to love an overclocked horizon 7 CPU prepare to organize and manipulate data at a rate previously unimaginable for $500 or less overclock the 700 X matches the 59 60 X while the 1800 X almost completes the workload in two seconds flat overclock the 1700 X boosts the minimum frame rate by 6% to match the performance of the stock 1800 X meanwhile overclocking the 1800 X only increase the minimum frame rate by 4% still when looking at the minimum frame rates the 1800 X is still very impressive it's just a shame I couldn't extend the average a little further out of the box for 17-under X consumes a similar amount of power to that of the 59 60 X while the 1800 X is quite a bit hungrier overlooked lock the total system consumption for the 700 X was 220 watts and that was almost a 30% increase for what was up to a 10 percent boost in performance meanwhile the overclocked 1800 X pushed total system power consumption up by almost 20% to 284 watts for some reason the Rison process has consumed a maximum power in the Excel test whereas the intel processes don't therefore comparing the power consumption using prime95 gives more balanced results and makes a 1700 and 1800 axle considerably more efficient here we see that out of the box the 1800 X consumes slightly less power than 1600 K while the 1700 X was similar to that of the 6800 K on older 4790k using the supplied nacho a Nhu 1/2 e se Am for cooler I saw very respectable temperatures on the horizon 7 1800 X processor the chip idles just 35 degrees and the full load using a burnin test that peaked at just 53 degrees at first I thought the motherboard or software might have been reporting incorrectly but after 40 minutes of load the heatsink was barely warm to touch testing was conducted with an ambient room temperature of 21 degrees right so the results are in though admittedly compared to the testing I normally like to do I feel like this is a bit of a preview really so I didn't include nearly as many games and applications as I would have liked for a release day video I will be following this video up shortly with a more in-depth test covering something like a dozen games or probably more than doping games at 1080p and 1440p that's that I am very keen to check out other day 1 reviews to see the kind of results they got I'm pretty sure my application results are on where they should be but for the gaming that isn't using all the calls or all the threads I think there may be a bit of a boost issue that's holding me back a little bit and if that is the case I will work quickly to solve that issue I'm already working on it with AMD now because they think there's more to be had so you'll be interesting to find out I've done everything I can at this point having said all that though I do feel like they're testing and included still paints a very interesting picture when it comes to productivity and content creation the horizon 7 CPUs are extremely impressive the Premiere Pro and Excel performance was incredible and it really got me hyped up for the gaming performance unfortunately while certainly not bad the gaming performance was somewhat of a letdown we always knew this was one area where rosin might struggle against the Empire so results while a little disappointing aren't entirely surprising for the most part Andy had only shown off risings gaming capabilities at the 4k resolution using a Pascal Titan X and we all know this isn't how you test CPU gaming performance this merely imposes a GPU bottleneck that virtually eliminates any impact the CPU might have on performance within reason anyway one thing I did notice is that all the games I have looked at so far which is considerably more than the four shown in this video we're all incredibly smooth on the rise and process GTA 5 for example plays very well on the core i7 7700 K but every now and then a slight stutter can be noticed the 1800 X in comparison was as smooth as silk and not once they spot any kind of stuttering I found a similar situation when testing battlefield one as well performance was incredibly smooth with the horizon processes while every now and then the quad-core 7700 K had a small hiccup though admittedly you know this didn't happen often but it's still every now and then you noticed a quick little stutter and this was something that I never ever saw when playing for quite some time on the 1800 x and 1700 X still as smooth as the experience was using a risin 7 process of in gaming I feel that those running high refresh rate monitors are probably still going to be best served by something like a high clocked core i7 6700 K or 7700 K I imagine many of you were looking at the gaming performance shown here and a bit disappointed with the results they might not be as strong as we had hoped but they are highly competitive and it should see the risin 5 and 3 series delivered extremely competitive gaming performance also worth noting is that we are testing extreme gaming performance here with the Titan XP at 1080p Rison does look more competitive at 1440p and will certainly appear far more competitive with something like a gtx 1070 or fury x handling the rendering work so keep that in mind also worth keeping in mind is that although the extra cores are particularly useful in today's games they could be very useful in the future how far into future though I don't really know my crystal ball is currently down for maintenance the only other letdown was the overclocking but again like the gaming performance this was something we weren't expecting rising to deliver I was only able to hit 4.1 gigahertz with my 8100 X and even that took quite a bit of trial and error sadly the 1700 X couldn't even reach 4 gigahertz still the gains for the 1700 X were decent and at 20% more affordable this is the processor I would buy that's what I have no idea how well does Vanilla 1700 overclocks but I will be getting one next week I am aware that some reviewers got them for today's release so chances are you can already find out how while these chips clock power consumption was a bit higher than expected our Excel figures are similar to those when using a power bug program like prime95 for example when gaming Rison should be efficient and I'll look into this in another video shortly at the end of the day when you consider what AMD was coming from and look what they have achieved with Verizon it's nothing short of amazing I'm personally very excited to see AMD delivering a competitive high-end CPU and it shall be very interesting to see how well they can refine the zen architecture over the coming years we know that Intel is hit somewhat of a development wall if you will so this may afford AMD the chance to catch up even further of course the good news consumers and all this being that with the added competition Intel is already starters adjust their pricing across the board and I expect to see more of this as AMD turns up the heat further with their six school and four core rise and CPUs for now I do have a heat more testing to do and I'll be aiming to deliver those results in a video early next week assuming there's nothing seriously wrong with my test setup I now have a few new biases for the boards that I have in hand so I'm going to apply those straight up try at this video and start checking out if that helps with the Cinebench single thread score really hoping it does hopefully after a bit more testing I can give you guys my picks and more of a concrete opinion on Rison with that I'm going to get back to the benchmark grind I'm your host Steve and hopefully I'll catch you next week for more Verizon action and I might even check out the gtx 1080i while i'm at it see you guys you you